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Old Aug 22nd 2019, 4:46 am
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Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH View Post
It's the same mindset behind ISIS and the Taliban and just about every terrorist group in the world who think it's justifiable to resort to violence and destruction of lives and property. That's what I find fascinating about the IRA, as well as their apologists. After all, what is unreasonable about putting up a few cameras on a border between two countries? Can you tell me what is unreasonable about having a few security cameras or out of sight customs checks?

I'm aware of the history of Ireland and Northern Ireland and the troubles. It certainly is a passionate topic. But tiptoeing around a bunch of white trash, uneducated terrorists dwelling in a selfish, self-absorbed stone-age mentality of vengeance and violence rather than properly civilised human beings in a modern Western Europe is not something that particularly inspires me. Are we to live our lives under the blackmail of terrorist threat from the IRA? That, to me, is the idiot-savant mentality and autistic fear.
I really shouldn't engage when your level understanding is that objection to reinstalling any kind of border makes us either white trash terrorists or at best white trash terrorist enablers/sympathisers. The only people cheering (though on the surface against their stated ideology)will be terrorists/gangsters as it will restart all the border smuggling and crime that used to go on before.
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Old Aug 22nd 2019, 7:26 am
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I really shouldn't engage when your level understanding is that objection to reinstalling any kind of border makes us either white trash terrorists or at best white trash terrorist enablers/sympathisers. The only people cheering (though on the surface against their stated ideology)will be terrorists/gangsters as it will restart all the border smuggling and crime that used to go on before.
Top 5 things that would be smuggled between NI and Ireland.

1. Albanian cleaners.
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Top 5 things that would be smuggled between NI and Ireland.

1. Albanian cleaners.
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Smuggling could go either way, the EU would be fearful of Hoovers with 300W+ motors making it into the EU block.


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Smuggling could go either way, the EU would be fearful of Hoovers with 300W+ motors making it into the EU block.
Good point, it's a terrifying thought.

Top 5 things that would be smuggled between NI and Ireland.

1. Albanian cleaners.
2. 300W hoovers.
3. Straight / bent bananas
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Old Aug 22nd 2019, 10:16 am
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Top 5 things that would be smuggled between NI and Ireland.

1. Albanian cleaners.
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Literally every product that is going to be subject to excise and tariff duty crossing into/out of Europe.

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Old Aug 22nd 2019, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by weasel decentral View Post
Literally every product that is going to be subject to excise and tariff duty crossing into/out of Europe.
Don't make it boring...
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Old Aug 22nd 2019, 11:54 am
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Don't make it boring...
Top 5 things that would be smuggled between NI and Ireland.

1. Albanian cleaners.
2. 300W hoovers.
3. Straight / bent bananas
4. Wheelbarrow loads or bales of the currency formerly known as 'Sterling'
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Top 5 things that would be smuggled between NI and Ireland.

1. Albanian cleaners.
2. 300W hoovers.
3. Straight / bent bananas
4. Wheelbarrow loads or bales of the currency formerly known as 'Sterling'
5. The Irish rugby team, to save them from stoning.
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It just fits with your other rhetoric in that sense, just look at the 'Engurrlands' comments. He couldn't have been described as a Brit, it had to be English.....Anyway, he wasn't, so it's Scotland's fault.

Anyway.
Is the GFA replaceable? Is it still relevant to every point? Could it be upgraded and made new to serve better in this position moving forwards? Could it be adjusted to fit? I'm sure there are enough people in Ireland and Northern Ireland who want to remain peaceful that solutions can be found? Being honest, unlike lots of people I don't know enough about it, nor will I pretend to like many folks on the internet....
I know, eh.. ****in' experts trying to tell us something we dont wanna hear....
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You have forgotten, it seems, that it was before the GFA that the UK was living in blackmail of the IRA terrorist threat with all of the cost and misery of the security apparatus that imposed. The GFA removed the basis for blackmail, just like, for example, the legalisation of homosexuality did for that. As ever, you claim to yearn for a past that never existed.
The British endured terror attacks for decades prior to the GFA without any agreement on the horizon. The only change I was previously aware of which resulted in an agreement coming in to force occurred on the other side of the Atlantic. The Americans deciding that funding terrorism was a bad idea changed the dynamic. Agreements are are little more than a pocket full of promises.
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Top 5 things that would be smuggled between NI and Ireland.

1. Albanian cleaners.
2. 300W hoovers.
3. Straight / bent bananas
4. Wheelbarrow loads or bales of the currency formerly known as 'Sterling'
5. The Irish rugby team, to save them from stoning.
they played like they were already stoned.
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The British endured terror attacks for decades prior to the GFA without any agreement on the horizon. The only change I was previously aware of which resulted in an agreement coming in to force occurred on the other side of the Atlantic. The Americans deciding that funding terrorism was a bad idea changed the dynamic. Agreements are are little more than a pocket full of promises.
The Americans certainly had a part to play in the negotiations, though American IRA funding was never state sponsored - it was always misplaced individuals or private collecting. To be fair to the agreement a lot of the provisions did happen- like the weapons decommissioning and prisoner releases. The driving force for the agreement was the saturation point of violence that everyone had reached, the majority of people simply wanted peace.
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Can I just take a moment to reassure everyone that leaving the EU with no deal will be absolutely fine. The government has done a lot of preparation in the last two weeks, and I can assure you everything will be fine.

But it will all be the fault of the EU that there will be no deal and erm... everything will be fine. That's all on them, it being absolutely fine and everything.

I can't state that enough. Everything will be fine if there is no deal, but it will be entirely the fault of the EU for inflicting no deal on the UK and everything being fine.
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The British endured terror attacks for decades prior to the GFA without any agreement on the horizon. The only change I was previously aware of which resulted in an agreement coming in to force occurred on the other side of the Atlantic. The Americans deciding that funding terrorism was a bad idea changed the dynamic. Agreements are are little more than a pocket full of promises.
It was the Baltic Exchange Bomb which was the turning point in the 'war'. It caused nearly a billion pounds of damage to the City of London (well over a billion in today's money).

A few kneecapped taxi drivers in Northern Ireland and handfuls of troops was acceptable losses, the UK could grind on with that forever. The UK could simply not accept the huge economic cost of attacks of the scale of this bomb to something as important as the City of London financial centre.

Back channels to the IRA opened soon after this, and the rest is history.
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A few kneecapped taxi drivers in Northern Ireland and handfuls of troops was acceptable losses, the UK could grind on with that forever.
I've always had the impression that the Thatcher government did well out of the troubles. Brighton was probably a bit too close for comfort but even the aftermath from that went in their favour.
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