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Whilst unfortunate and uncomfortable I'm not sure it can be classed as poverty

you live with your children in a single room, with minimal access to cooking facilities, your children sharing a bathroom with strange men, witnessing drugs violence sexual assault, and tell me that is "uncomfortable" and not "poverty".

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Originally Posted by OriginalSunshine (Post 11216113)

I'm not convinced. This is accommodation provided free of charge that is warm and safe that has bathrooms and cooking facilities. On top of this they are given an amount of money in order to spend on what they want, food, clothes whatever. It is far from ideal for most of us, it is uncomfortable and probably scary, but is a million miles away from the type of poverty you see in countries where kids are dying through not having enough food.

I don't want to come across as unfeeling but from the examples you have given the safety net is working. One of the examples you have posted has said that she has to feed her kids at KFC and McDonalds ... the horror .. Plus they have free schooling and health care ...

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Mina understands that the government has to save money, but wonders if they need to target people like her, who have long-term roots in the area. "I've had the same GP for 20 years, the same hospital. All my daughter's friends are here. Are we meant to change all these things?" she asks. "Suddenly they've changed all the rules. They are playing with people. They are messing around with people's lives. It's a lot of stress for a single mother."

She has told her daughter not to tell her school friends that they are living in a room in a bed and breakfast, sharing a bathroom with 10 other families. "No one in school knows. I told the teacher we had to move, but she doesn't know I'm living in this tiny room," Rana says.

So provided free of charge:

Housing
Health Care
Schooling
Food
Heating
Spending money

Howay man, it is not poverty is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty

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Absolute poverty or destitution refers to the deprivation of basic human needs, which commonly includes food, water, sanitation, clothing, shelter, health care and education. Relative poverty is defined contextually as economic inequality in the location or society in which people live

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-9249750.html One of our nations finest died due to poverty after bureaucratic incompetence in the safety net? I'm sure he was shirking and it was a lifestyle choice [sarcasm warning]

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 11216098)

I'm exactly not. I've raised a fair chunk of money for charity over the years through nothing but hard work.

Your life must be so miserable. I've never seen you post anything remotely positive. If someone can get people to donate for them to jump out a plane or got to Peru(?) or something and it raises money for charity it's hardly the end of the world. Definitely not cause for you to brand all young people as selfish.

Spot on.

Times have changed and people now have the opportunity to raise money for charity whilst also doing something that they want to do (my wife raised a lot of money for an orphanage in Sri Lanka by doing a parachute jump).

The Scottish whinger, however, still seems to be living in the Saudi Arabia of the 1970's.

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Originally Posted by Fossildog (Post 11216120)

You're a troll. Bye.

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Originally Posted by OriginalSunshine (Post 11216506)

You're a troll. Bye.

Definition of 'troll'? "Someone who disagrees with someone else"??

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25287068 Most people in 'poverty' classed as having job. Most kids in 'poverty' have a working parent. 38% od the current generation is currently graduating from university so hopefully that changes. If it doesn't, then our society is a lie surely, and everything we understand about the causes of poverty, the deserving and undeserving, needs a rethink..

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Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 11213476)

Increasingly, people will only give if it involves a "fashion statement" or something for them (eg a free sponsored trip to Peru) "What is in it for me ?" is the plea of today's Yoof. The concept of Oblation is alien to them.

I agree with this to an extent, sponsoring someone to go on holiday and fulfill there life's ambition of climbing Kilimanjaro whilst raising two grand for charity seems rather redundant to me when they're spending that much or more on flights, equipment et al, and a tour company is making a nice little buck out of the deal

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Originally Posted by Fossildog (Post 11216120)

One of the examples you have posted has said that she has to feed her kids at KFC and McDonalds ... the horror .. Plus they have free schooling and health care ...

Does anyone have to feed here kids at KFC and McDonalds, ever? When poverty is defined as doing that, rather than kids eating out of bins or living in sewers and sniffing glue then the relativity of the hardship is obvious.

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Originally Posted by Fossildog (Post 11216120)

Howay man, it is not poverty is it?

Relatively, in the context of UK or 1st world society and standards it is. In a global context it's very, very far from it.

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Originally Posted by OriginalSunshine (Post 11215991)

But, yes, at least her kids aren't picking through rubbish; unlike, say the gypsy kids who are also in the UK.

But, the gypsy kids are doing so because their parents have chosen that lifestyle by rejecting the trappings of the welfare state, or at least the idea of contributing to it in anyway, and instead live on the edges of society funding themselves through levels of criminality.

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It's basically a debate over Absolute or Relative Poverty.

The numbers of people in the UK in absolute poverty will be very, very small.

The numbers in relative poverty - according to income gaps etc, will be a decent chunk I expect. However, according to an old BBC article, 60% of those in 'poverty' are homeowners - BBC link

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 11216581)

Relative poverty never goes away. It'll always be there - by its very definition it cannot be solved.

Let's face it, we'd all rather be poor in the UK than (say) India, anywhere in Africa, Philippines, or even in the world's two largest economies: USA, or China.

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Originally Posted by OriginalSunshine (Post 11216506)

You're a troll. Bye.

Your dummy landed about 6ft from the pram. I'll get the maid to fetch it. :)

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Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 11216588)

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 11216588)

Relative poverty never goes away. It'll always be there - by its very definition it cannot be solved.

It can be termed as relative wealth and then it is instantly solved.

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"Look how wonderful: I am, doing all this for the poor !" Bollocks. Reminds me of that conman behind Liveaid..