Upcoming Referendum
#47
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
What concerns me is that joining Europe was originally for trade, but the Common Market has morphed into an ever expanding political entity. How far do they intend it to spread?
Already Turkey with its 80 million people with questionable treatment of its inhabitants is knocking on the door, and apparently in another direction there are others in the pipeline.
Unfortunately (or whichever way you want to put it), we currently have 28 countries in the EU with different cultures and languages. Some countries have no idea how to manage their finances, and believe that the rest should support them when they inevitably get into difficulties. However it means that more and more money has to be thrown into what appears to be a bottomless pit, and we are expected to contribute whatever we are told. Arguing the point achieves nothing once Brussels has decided.
I like the idea of a united Europe, but currently with millions of people on the move to make Europe their home, we are now seeing individual European countries angry with the flood. Angela Merkel made her invitation with good intent, but she didn't think it through, even her own people are now crying for her blood!
I cannot envisage our extraordinary mix of people in the EU ever working satisfactorily, and if as is mooted we are to be part of a European military, who will be the leaders? France would not want Brits having importance, and if Germany says jump, how high will our PM believe he has to spring?
I am sure on voting day I will still not know which way to go!!
Already Turkey with its 80 million people with questionable treatment of its inhabitants is knocking on the door, and apparently in another direction there are others in the pipeline.
Unfortunately (or whichever way you want to put it), we currently have 28 countries in the EU with different cultures and languages. Some countries have no idea how to manage their finances, and believe that the rest should support them when they inevitably get into difficulties. However it means that more and more money has to be thrown into what appears to be a bottomless pit, and we are expected to contribute whatever we are told. Arguing the point achieves nothing once Brussels has decided.
I like the idea of a united Europe, but currently with millions of people on the move to make Europe their home, we are now seeing individual European countries angry with the flood. Angela Merkel made her invitation with good intent, but she didn't think it through, even her own people are now crying for her blood!
I cannot envisage our extraordinary mix of people in the EU ever working satisfactorily, and if as is mooted we are to be part of a European military, who will be the leaders? France would not want Brits having importance, and if Germany says jump, how high will our PM believe he has to spring?
I am sure on voting day I will still not know which way to go!!
#48
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
This is an interesting spin on the EU . . .
The European Union always was a CIA project, as Brexiteers discover
The European Union always was a CIA project, as Brexiteers discover
#49
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
What concerns me is that joining Europe was originally for trade, but the Common Market has morphed into an ever expanding political entity. How far do they intend it to spread?
Already Turkey with its 80 million people with questionable treatment of its inhabitants is knocking on the door, and apparently in another direction there are others in the pipeline.
Already Turkey with its 80 million people with questionable treatment of its inhabitants is knocking on the door, and apparently in another direction there are others in the pipeline.
#51
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Already Turkey with its 80 million people with questionable treatment of its inhabitants is knocking on the door, and apparently in another direction there are others in the pipeline.
Unfortunately (or whichever way you want to put it), we currently have 28 countries in the EU with different cultures and languages. Some countries have no idea how to manage their finances, and believe that the rest should support them when they inevitably get into difficulties. However it means that more and more money has to be thrown into what appears to be a bottomless pit, and we are expected to contribute whatever we are told.
I cannot envisage our extraordinary mix of people in the EU ever working satisfactorily.
and if as is mooted we are to be part of a European military, who will be the leaders? France would not want Brits having importance, and if Germany says jump, how high will our PM believe he has to spring?
#55
Re: Upcoming Referendum
So true. It's a dilemma for sure. Hence the reason I have absolutely no bloody idea how I would vote - so good thing I can't, I suppose.
#56
Re: Upcoming Referendum
If Cameron was desperate to stay in, he would not have called a referendum in the first place. There was no necessity to do so. The referendum is about a split in the Conservative Party and Cameron's wish to cling on as leader. It was irresponsible to hold a referendum, but Cameron does not put the good of the country above his own party, or his own ambitions.
#57
Re: Upcoming Referendum
If Cameron was desperate to stay in, he would not have called a referendum in the first place. There was no necessity to do so. The referendum is about a split in the Conservative Party and Cameron's wish to cling on as leader. It was irresponsible to hold a referendum, but Cameron does not put the good of the country above his own party, or his own ambitions.
#59
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Depends on whether you want this issue to continue to poison British politics for another generation. To my mind the real danger is that a 'Leave' vote will lead to another Scottish independence referendum and the breakup of the UK. For no other reason than that I'll be voting 'Remain'.
#60
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
If UK exits EU what will happen to all those receiving UK OAP currently index-linked in EU. Will they be denied index-linking like the rest of pensioners in non-EU countries?