UK citizens now have NO absolute right to return to the UK
Nov 25th 2014, 2:10 pm
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Re: UK citizens now have NO absolute right to return to the UK
Christ alive.
I would fear a jury of my peers.
I would fear a jury of my peers.
Nov 25th 2014, 2:23 pm
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Re: UK citizens now have NO absolute right to return to the UK
Define 'wrong'. To most Brits now, just offending their delicate sensibilities deserves a prison sentence. Many of these idiots actually believe that upsetting them is a criminal offence. You can't trust uneducated people with such power.
Further, I can't believe _anyone_ but the an ignoramus would use the phrase that you have. I hope you have used it in jest?
Further, I can't believe _anyone_ but the an ignoramus would use the phrase that you have. I hope you have used it in jest?
Nov 25th 2014, 2:26 pm
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Re: UK terrorists could lose the right to return to the UK
1. There is NO universally agreed upon definition of the word. In fact, the word 'terrorism' was used to refer to the actions of the STATE against its citizens during the French Revolution.
You're not smart enough to be aware that no US Federal Agency shares the same definition of terrorism as the other. The FBI, CIA, DHS et al, all have differing definitions of the word 'terrorism'.
2. The word 'terrorist' has lost all meaning. It is now used as a label against the actions a state objects to. Some academics, myself included, would call that terrorism (causing fear and panic).
Nov 25th 2014, 2:33 pm
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Nov 25th 2014, 2:40 pm
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Re: UK citizens now have NO absolute right to return to the UK
No, I'm referring to the fact that the US is one of the very few countries (and the only western country?) that has laws that allows them to make people stateless.
Nov 25th 2014, 2:43 pm
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Re: UK citizens now have NO absolute right to return to the UK
Looks to me like Adolf May is busy forging on with her plan to be able to make naturalised British citizens stateless: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...eless-passport
Nov 25th 2014, 2:48 pm
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Re: UK citizens now have NO absolute right to return to the UK
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Horace, if you weren't such an offensive troll, I'd be a hell of a lot more inclined agree with much of what you are saying.
however...
Whilst I indeed enjoy what liberties I have left and as a matter of record, strongly object to the erosion of them, and have plenty of peeves about intrusive governmental meddling in my own personal affairs...
...I also have come to realise that many of those things I object to are not the result of some secret conspiracy to lobotomise the population, but are more oft simply well-intentioned, but completely short-sighted attempts to "protect me from myself", which I would equally object to as arrogant, hypocritical and ultimately, nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophecy (I have an entire thesis on that).
Nonetheless, the way to resist it is to resist it, not howl at the moon or refer anyone who happens to employ a more rational approach as ignorant. That's even more ignorant, arrogant and hypocritical as those you aim your venom at.
Not to mention that listening can every bit as enlightening as telling.
The world isn't coming to an end tomorrow morning, and your rant is not all that different than objections that have been expressed for decades by people who were far more enlightened than either you or I.
Luckily, we still have a good bit of balance, politically and otherwise. It isn't all one way or another. If it were, none of us would be here suffering your exaggerated rants, and you wouldn't be allowed to rant them.
If your goal is to make a difference, then be wise. If it's just to get attention, well, that's always short-lived and doesn't benefit anyone.
Horace, if you weren't such an offensive troll, I'd be a hell of a lot more inclined agree with much of what you are saying.
however...
Whilst I indeed enjoy what liberties I have left and as a matter of record, strongly object to the erosion of them, and have plenty of peeves about intrusive governmental meddling in my own personal affairs...
...I also have come to realise that many of those things I object to are not the result of some secret conspiracy to lobotomise the population, but are more oft simply well-intentioned, but completely short-sighted attempts to "protect me from myself", which I would equally object to as arrogant, hypocritical and ultimately, nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophecy (I have an entire thesis on that).
Nonetheless, the way to resist it is to resist it, not howl at the moon or refer anyone who happens to employ a more rational approach as ignorant. That's even more ignorant, arrogant and hypocritical as those you aim your venom at.
Not to mention that listening can every bit as enlightening as telling.
The world isn't coming to an end tomorrow morning, and your rant is not all that different than objections that have been expressed for decades by people who were far more enlightened than either you or I.
Luckily, we still have a good bit of balance, politically and otherwise. It isn't all one way or another. If it were, none of us would be here suffering your exaggerated rants, and you wouldn't be allowed to rant them.
If your goal is to make a difference, then be wise. If it's just to get attention, well, that's always short-lived and doesn't benefit anyone.
Nov 25th 2014, 2:51 pm
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Re: UK citizens now have NO absolute right to return to the UK
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Horace, if you weren't such an offensive troll, I'd be a hell of a lot more inclined agree with much of what you are saying.
however...
Whilst I indeed enjoy what liberties I have left and as a matter of record, strongly object to the erosion of them, and have plenty of peeves about intrusive governmental meddling in my own personal affairs...
...I also have come to realise that many of those things I object to are not the result of some secret conspiracy to lobotomise the population, but are more oft simply well-intentioned, but completely short-sighted attempts to "protect me from myself", which I would equally object to as arrogant, hypocritical and ultimately, nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophecy (I have an entire thesis on that).
Nonetheless, the way to resist it is to resist it, not howl at the moon or refer anyone who happens to employ a more rational approach as ignorant. That's even more ignorant, arrogant and hypocritical as those you aim your venom at.
Not to mention that listening can every bit as enlightening as telling.
The world isn't coming to an end tomorrow morning, and your rant is not all that different than objections that have been expressed for decades by people who were far more enlightened than either you or I.
Luckily, we still have a good bit of balance, politically and otherwise. It isn't all one way or another. If it were, none of us would be here suffering your exaggerated rants, and you wouldn't be allowed to rant them.
If your goal is to make a difference, then be wise. If it's just to get attention, well, that's always short-lived and doesn't benefit anyone.
Horace, if you weren't such an offensive troll, I'd be a hell of a lot more inclined agree with much of what you are saying.
however...
Whilst I indeed enjoy what liberties I have left and as a matter of record, strongly object to the erosion of them, and have plenty of peeves about intrusive governmental meddling in my own personal affairs...
...I also have come to realise that many of those things I object to are not the result of some secret conspiracy to lobotomise the population, but are more oft simply well-intentioned, but completely short-sighted attempts to "protect me from myself", which I would equally object to as arrogant, hypocritical and ultimately, nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophecy (I have an entire thesis on that).
Nonetheless, the way to resist it is to resist it, not howl at the moon or refer anyone who happens to employ a more rational approach as ignorant. That's even more ignorant, arrogant and hypocritical as those you aim your venom at.
Not to mention that listening can every bit as enlightening as telling.
The world isn't coming to an end tomorrow morning, and your rant is not all that different than objections that have been expressed for decades by people who were far more enlightened than either you or I.
Luckily, we still have a good bit of balance, politically and otherwise. It isn't all one way or another. If it were, none of us would be here suffering your exaggerated rants, and you wouldn't be allowed to rant them.
If your goal is to make a difference, then be wise. If it's just to get attention, well, that's always short-lived and doesn't benefit anyone.
Nov 25th 2014, 2:57 pm
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Re: UK citizens now have NO absolute right to return to the UK
I will ask again though what liberties have we lost ? I don't direct this question to the troll but someone who might be able to answer without being rude and abusive.
Nov 25th 2014, 3:04 pm
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Re: UK citizens now have NO absolute right to return to the UK
Well I tend to use it with reference to something that isn't considered 'right' 
Seriously though we all know the difference between right and wrong, I don't want terrorists living in our country anymore than any other right minded person. To my mind if you travel overseas to fight for a terrorist group and be one a terrorist then you relinquish any rights.
Seriously though we all know the difference between right and wrong, I don't want terrorists living in our country anymore than any other right minded person. To my mind if you travel overseas to fight for a terrorist group and be one a terrorist then you relinquish any rights.
Last edited by chris955; Nov 25th 2014 at 3:21 pm.