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Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 11059535)
Of course it does. I wasn't making the point in either direction.
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Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by BEVS
(Post 11060891)
It's a big sigh really isn't it.
I actually thought this was a great topic and of some value to people thinking of returning to the UK and unsure about where to settle. I'm not returning, but still found the topic interesting. Such a shame that some people are so self righteous and nasty. Spoils it for everyone else. |
Re: Things might have changed.
Wow, what a great link. I'm shocked to see 410 reported crimes based around my parents post code, and just over 600 for the entire town (where I was born & raised).......and that's just November!!!! Holy smokes!!!!:thumbdown:
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Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by Melly
(Post 11068066)
Wow, what a great link. I'm shocked to see 410 reported crimes based around my parents post code, and just over 600 for the entire town (where I was born & raised).......and that's just November!!!! Holy smokes!!!!:thumbdown:
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Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by Hino
(Post 11058130)
Actually chris it's going exactly as I had hoped, by using the link I provided people intending to either visit or move back to UK can see the crime figures for the area before they commit.
As "hoping for doom and gloom" what either in the initial thread, or my posts inspired that comment ? |
Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by brits1
(Post 11068368)
We have been back in the UK nearly 4 years now, we live near (ish) a big City and so far all has been good,we have not been mugged, robbed or seen any bad social behavior, I hope you only meant well posting your "site" and do wish returnees all the very best, I could not imagine anyone wishing otherwise.
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Re: Things might have changed.
This might help to give a more balanced viewpoint concerning crime figures.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...gless-ban-them |
Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by aries
(Post 11068506)
This might help to give a more balanced viewpoint concerning crime figures.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...gless-ban-them |
Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 11068527)
More balanced?
I would like to believe crime is down, but I'm a disbeliever. Villages and small towns are generally less crime ridden, and residents might well be complacent, but take a walk on the wild side in industrial towns and in London to experience the truth. Police figures should not be taken at face value. Nor any figures . . . I had thought my more gentile area of town would be meagre with crime figures, but far from the truth. However, once I factored in that half a mile away it covered the harbourside with its nightclubs and bars, I more clearly understood the statistics. |
Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by aries
(Post 11068566)
Yes . . . crime isn't necessarily down because we don't see it, or if police figures choose to portray a rosier picture. We need alternative information.
I would like to believe crime is down, but I'm a disbeliever. Villages and small towns are generally less crime ridden, and residents might well be complacent, but take a walk on the wild side in industrial towns and in London to experience the truth. Police figures should not be taken at face value. Nor any figures . . . I had thought my more gentile (genteel??) :) area of town would be meagre with crime figures, but far from the truth. However, once I factored in that half a mile away it covered the harbourside with its nightclubs and bars, I more clearly understood the statistics. There are other issues as well in the crime stats. For example, there are racial groups that are now so disillusioned with the police in their (urban) area that they don't even bother to report issues that might be subject to an ASBO or much worse as they think they might end up being the messenger who gets 'shot'. In addition, the nature of crime has changed so that though overall numbers may be down, there is more violent crime and there appears to be more unprovoked crime and more individuals who have serious mental issues are out on the streets due to an overwhelmed Social Services sector and laws that wouldn't have it otherwise - (likely) perpetrators who can't be forced to take their much-needed medication have to perpetrate before anything gets done, by which time it's too late. |
Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by Pistolpete2
(Post 11068642)
Supposedly the Crime Survey is a more reliable overall study of UK crime levels.
There are other issues as well in the crime stats. For example, there are racial groups that are now so disillusioned with the police in their (urban) area that they don't even bother to report issues that might be subject to an ASBO or much worse as they think they might end up being the messenger who gets 'shot'. In addition, the nature of crime has changed so that though overall numbers may be down, there is more violent crime and there appears to be more unprovoked crime and more individuals who have serious mental issues are out on the streets due to an overwhelmed Social Services sector and laws that wouldn't have it otherwise - (likely) perpetrators who can't be forced to take their much-needed medication have to perpetrate before anything gets done, by which time it's too late. |
Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by aries
(Post 11068727)
The mental issue is a good point. In my town I'm surprised to see so many people who appear to have issues, and must wonder if it is a big locally bred malady, or if it is imported from other regions of Britain. Many seaside resorts have become dumping grounds or collection areas for people with a variety of issues, B & B owners finding an all-year-round income from hostel accommodation more reliable than tourists who prefer cheap package holidays in warmer climates.
I think that the regular cheques from DHSS were an attraction at one time but, as from recent newspaper articles, some landlords see the cuts in welfare as a red flag to these lettings and are now preferring migrants. Torbay overall has suffered this (declining) way, as you must see, as have Skegness, Clacton (worst of the lot), Margate, Hastings, Weymouth, Weston-super-Mare, Ilfracombe and Blackpool. Other seaside resorts have declined due to the loss of main industry, such as Lowestoft/Great Yarmouth, Sandwich, Southsea. Falmouth and Penzance have declined because they are probably just too far away from it, though EU funding has lifted the former. |
Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by Pistolpete2
(Post 11068789)
the decline gave rise to cheaper property prices and rents so the less well off moved in Torbay overall has suffered this (declining) way, as you must see, as have Skegness, Clacton (worst of the lot), Margate, Hastings, Weymouth, Weston-super-Mare, Ilfracombe and Blackpool. Other seaside resorts have declined due to the loss of main industry, such as Lowestoft/Great Yarmouth, Sandwich, Southsea. Falmouth and Penzance have declined because they are probably just too far away from it, though EU funding has lifted the former. Its down to location location ... low crime & best value for the money. If its the southern part of the country, which area or specific location would you pick, what type of property & the price range would you be looking at? I'd want seaside or within 2km of it, detached bungalow with a max price of £125k |
Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by not2old
(Post 11068828)
this can be a good thing for the empty nester ex pats returning back wanting to find more reasonable properties.
Its down to location location ... low crime & best value for the money. If its the southern part of the country, which area or specific location would you pick, what type of property & the price range would you be looking at? I'd want seaside or within 2km of it, detached bungalow with a max price of £125k Robin1234 has a thread ref retiring to the seaside which might be more appropriate. BTW, I wouldn't pick any declined seaside resort unless I had a personal major ulterior motive such as schools/colleges which wouldn't likely be appropriate for any other BE participant, particularly retired ones, and the resorts are often partly declined due to employment issues so it is no help there either unless you are self-employed remotely. |
Re: Things might have changed.
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 11055741)
We had 1 crime in October, a drunk and disorderly ;) The great news is that crime is falling across the UK.
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