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dunroving Jan 20th 2013 12:56 am

Re: Things I've learned Since Being Back in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Derrygal (Post 10494641)
My two (American) sons-in-law have been to the UK and loved it - they found the people to be polite, friendly and helpful - they like the fact that it was a slower pace of life and more vacation time than here in the US. Now - if only I could persuade them to move there!! I would be all set. My youngest son-in-law did consider it about a year ago and was actually looking into the "spouse visa" but then decided that financially they could not do it - worrying about not being able to find a job, much higher house prices, etc. However they loved the UK and are looking forward to their next trip back there in a couple of years. Maybe, it would be different if they moved there to live - I don't know. I am sure many Brits fall in love with the US when they come here on vacation - they don't know what it is really like here - the work, work, work mentality, few vacation days, guns, etc. Visiting a country is very different from living there. That said - I would move back to the UK tomorrow if I could.

I think UK house prices must be a big mental and cultural barrier to almost anyone thinking about coming here from the US. The only exceptions I can think of, expat-wise, are those who owned a house before they left or are wealthy enough that it doesn't matter.

I was quite stressed financially when I first came back because (a) the size of house and yard, and the "crowded" feel of British streets was so different from the US, and (b) my monthly mortgage payment was just silly, for a bog standard ex-council house.

I think you do eventually get used to the "smaller inside and out" issue (except when I see programs on TV that show typical US houses and I pine for my nice back yard in a spacious neighborhood). In some ways you even appreciate it (easier to take care of, warmer in winter, more manageable garden - and more interesting things to grow, with NO WATERING NECESSARY (yeehaw!). :eek:

But I also realised that my salary was a bit higher and through nearly 7 years of brutal saving (no toys, no holidays, no splashing out on anything), I now have enough to pay off a substantial portion of my outstanding mortgage.

Additionally, the welfare state in all its shapes and sizes means of course that you are financially much more secure - what good is a nice US house if you bankrupt yourself by getting a serious illness, for example? And no time off work to enjoy your home?

I'm sure with the right information you can persuade your S-I-L's to move here! :fingerscrossed:

Kilty Jan 20th 2013 4:26 am

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Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 10493439)
"Americans - strange people - but very polite!"

The corollary must be :

"English - strange people - and very rude !"


"Scots - we arra people - and we'll stick the heid on you if you disagree"

picaflor Jan 20th 2013 4:53 am

Re: Things I've learned Since Being Back in the UK
 

Originally Posted by dunroving (Post 10494690)
I think UK house prices must be a big mental and cultural barrier to almost anyone thinking about coming here from the US. The only exceptions I can think of, expat-wise, are those who owned a house before they left or are wealthy enough that it doesn't matter.

I was quite stressed financially when I first came back because (a) the size of house and yard, and the "crowded" feel of British streets was so different from the US, and (b) my monthly mortgage payment was just silly, for a bog standard ex-council house.

I think you do eventually get used to the "smaller inside and out" issue (except when I see programs on TV that show typical US houses and I pine for my nice back yard in a spacious neighborhood). In some ways you even appreciate it (easier to take care of, warmer in winter, more manageable garden - and more interesting things to grow, with NO WATERING NECESSARY (yeehaw!). :eek:

But I also realised that my salary was a bit higher and through nearly 7 years of brutal saving (no toys, no holidays, no splashing out on anything), I now have enough to pay off a substantial portion of my outstanding mortgage.

Additionally, the welfare state in all its shapes and sizes means of course that you are financially much more secure - what good is a nice US house if you bankrupt yourself by getting a serious illness, for example? And no time off work to enjoy your home?

I'm sure with the right information you can persuade your S-I-L's to move here! :fingerscrossed:

Hit the nail on the head, again... I do find your posts to be very thoughtful and with good logic.

Perth Jan 20th 2013 12:18 pm

Re: Things I've learned Since Being Back in the UK
 

Originally Posted by dunroving (Post 10494690)
I think UK house prices must be a big mental and cultural barrier to almost anyone thinking about coming here from the US. The only exceptions I can think of, expat-wise, are those who owned a house before they left or are wealthy enough that it doesn't matter.

I was quite stressed financially when I first came back because (a) the size of house and yard, and the "crowded" feel of British streets was so different from the US, and (b) my monthly mortgage payment was just silly, for a bog standard ex-council house.

I think you do eventually get used to the "smaller inside and out" issue (except when I see programs on TV that show typical US houses and I pine for my nice back yard in a spacious neighborhood). In some ways you even appreciate it (easier to take care of, warmer in winter, more manageable garden - and more interesting things to grow, with NO WATERING NECESSARY (yeehaw!). :eek:

But I also realised that my salary was a bit higher and through nearly 7 years of brutal saving (no toys, no holidays, no splashing out on anything), I now have enough to pay off a substantial portion of my outstanding mortgage.

Additionally, the welfare state in all its shapes and sizes means of course that you are financially much more secure - what good is a nice US house if you bankrupt yourself by getting a serious illness, for example? And no time off work to enjoy your home?

I'm sure with the right information you can persuade your S-I-L's to move here! :fingerscrossed:

Haha, you have reminded me of another advantage in returning...no big lawn to water OR mow! We do grow veggies now, but they have to be in earth boxes as the soil is too sandy here, and inside our pool screen so we don't have to spray for bugs!

scot47 Jan 21st 2013 9:20 am

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"Watering the Garden" Here in Scotland we have made arrangements with the Big Man Upstairs. He waters our place every day !

scot47 Jan 21st 2013 11:22 am

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I posted

"Americans - strange people - but very polite!"

The corollary must be :

"English - strange people - and very rude !"

What I was trying to get over is that if English think Americans are polite, then the logic is that the English must seem rude in comparison.

Any whiff of criticism and I am accused of Anglophobia. I do not discriminate. I hate EVERYONE !:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

brits1 Jan 21st 2013 9:21 pm

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Originally Posted by perthhomeschool (Post 10495577)
Haha, you have reminded me of another advantage in returning...no big lawn to water OR mow! We do grow veggies now, but they have to be in earth boxes as the soil is too sandy here, and inside our pool screen so we don't have to spray for bugs!

No kidding, last night a thought just popped into my head "well at least I never have a problem with my lawn or flowers here" and it brought back memories of the retic and all the water granules we had to buy etc and no matter what potting mix we used most of our plants either kicked the bucket or just withered on for months in the heat lol..our next door neighbours had really green lawns (same grass as ours) then during the night I heard their retics come on (and not on their designated day) and for quite a while...hence their green lawns etc lol..

dunroving Jan 21st 2013 9:55 pm

Re: Things I've learned Since Being Back in the UK
 

Originally Posted by brits1 (Post 10498213)
No kidding, last night a thought just popped into my head "well at least I never have a problem with my lawn or flowers here" and it brought back memories of the retic and all the water granules we had to buy etc and no matter what potting mix we used most of our plants either kicked the bucket or just withered on for months in the heat lol..our next door neighbours had really green lawns (same grass as ours) then during the night I heard their retics come on (and not on their designated day) and for quite a while...hence their green lawns etc lol..

Is a "retic" a garden sprinkler?

I never could afford a sprinkler system and any time I left on a trip for more than a few days I'd be worried all those plants I had spent good money on would be all shrivelled up when I got back. In the height of the summer it wouldn't take long without manual watering for them to kick the bucket. :thumbdown:

chris955 Jan 22nd 2013 3:42 am

Re: Things I've learned Since Being Back in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Lothianlad (Post 10494555)
In a word: Anglophobia

As a Scot I can truly say that some of my best mates are English and none of them are anything like "rude" in any way at all. I think the word "rude" needs interpretation in the context of that Anglophobic post. I have met a fair number of American tourists here in the UK both in Scotland and down in England and almost all of them commented on how "friendly and approachably amenable and polite" were most of the people they had met here.

We have found people to be extremely friendly, polite and very helpful generally speaking. There are of course always exceptions but 99 out of 100 seem to fit that description. Its really odd because I have read elsewhere on this forum that the British are unfriendly, wont look you in the eye on the street and are miserable. :lol:

scot47 Jan 22nd 2013 8:26 am

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Depends where you go !! Incredibly varied country ! (Or countries, depending on your perspective !)

Irish Guinness Jan 22nd 2013 10:34 am

Re: Things I've learned Since Being Back in the UK
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 10498951)
We have found people to be extremely friendly, polite and very helpful generally speaking. There are of course always exceptions but 99 out of 100 seem to fit that description. Its really odd because I have read elsewhere on this forum that the British are unfriendly, wont look you in the eye on the street and are miserable. :lol:

Same here !! we visit each year and have found people friendly,you will always get the exceptions.

Pollyana Jan 22nd 2013 6:07 pm

Re: Things I've learned Since Being Back in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Irish Guinness (Post 10499814)
Same here !! we visit each year and have found people friendly,you will always get the exceptions.

I marvel at it every time I go back; the difference I find between home and Brisbane is that if they bother to talk to you and appear friendly at home then its almost always genuine. Here there is a false veneer thats very hard to get through. At home, whether they actually care or not most people appear to care and have an interest. Here its more "äh well, your life, tough luck, who cares - next...."

brits1 Jan 22nd 2013 7:30 pm

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Originally Posted by dunroving (Post 10498259)
Is a "retic" a garden sprinkler?

I never could afford a sprinkler system and any time I left on a trip for more than a few days I'd be worried all those plants I had spent good money on would be all shrivelled up when I got back. In the height of the summer it wouldn't take long without manual watering for them to kick the bucket. :thumbdown:

Yes it is a sprinkler system and I would say most homes have them in Perth (hose pipes just dont cut it lol) we never use to leave our retic on when we went away as for the same fear, (we had installed both automated and manual retic)we once asked our neighbour if they could turn the manual retic on once a week (you were allowed your retic on twice a week for a certain time on a certain day when we lived in Perth) for us as we were overseas for a number of weeks on this one occasion, (I use to help them out with lifts etc) we really did not want to "put on them" but we had just laid a new..ish..lawn and did not want it to die,well when we got back home our lawn,plants etc had shrivelled and given up the fight, our neighbours said they had forgot and then asked if I could drop his partner off at an appointment near the City..lol...I DID..

chris955 Jan 22nd 2013 7:40 pm

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Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 10499510)
Depends where you go !! Incredibly varied country ! (Or countries, depending on your perspective !)

Of course it depends where you go, same with anything and goes without saying I would have thought.

scot47 Jan 23rd 2013 9:29 am

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For a small country UK is in fact much more varied than many larger ones. Travel a few miles here and you will see huge differences, in culture, language, cookery and all tghe other vaspects of "Culture". Class is another variant that outsiders often do not fully grasp !

The UK really is quite an odd place !


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