booboo1

very well put Goldy and I agree 100%

booboo

Mr Lee

Before bitch-slappin' that mutha upside the head, one would presume, for giving you a haircut that made you look more like a hoe than a homie?

Mercedes

Actually you are wrong it has increased but people dont often report it as often they dont see a police officer and are given a crime number instead for their insurance companies.

Gun crimes are higher, interesting since UK has a gun ban, however a number of guns are smuggled in via Eastern Europe. The innocent citzens cant have a gun, but the criminal does. In most of the major cities the gangs now have guns and unfortunately they are heading for rural areas as well as they are considered easy pickings.....

Australia actually falls behind UK per percentage, US comes first then UK and then Australia. For violent crimes UK is up there on the board, but at least in Oz the laws are bit better towards the victim. Interesting since they banned guns in Australia their gun crimes in Victoria alone has increased by 400%.

Have lived in both Oz and UK.......one I slept with a shotgun under the bed, was told by a Ozzie police officer if I shot anyone, either put a weapon in the hands of the criminal or take the body off bush and bury it, was told it much better way than dealing with the judical system.......I suppose the alternative is to have some pigs in the backyard.....hear they eat everything.....



QUOTE]Originally posted by AndrewR
Actually not old son. The gov. obviously try and manipulate the figures for their own end, but overall crime has actually decreased slightly over the last couple of years. Strange but true! (again with the caveat that some area's of crime have increased).
As for the thing on Oz...I don't live in Oz, have never lived there, but the chances of being victim of a crime in Oz are the highest in the westernised world....if you do live there, you have a one in three chance of being a victim of crime over the last year. [/QUOTE]

AndrewR

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Again, actually not. You obviously didn't read the web page I posted as you didn't want to let any inconvenient facts get in your way. So I'll repeat it for you....the figures are from the British crime survey and are regarded as a more reliable measure of actual levels of crime because it includes experiences of crime that go unreported. Overall levels of crime have actually fallen slightly over the last couple of years.
Again, I don't live in Oz and have no particular thing against Oz, but it has the highest levels of crime in the industrialised world. If you live there you have a one in three chance of being victim of a crime within the last year...

Mercedes

Violent crime has increased.... The government has been on a political campaign with regard to crime figures. My information doesnt come from the media.....




Again, actually not. You obviously didn't read the web page I posted as you didn't want to let any inconvenient facts get in your way. So I'll repeat it for you....the figures are from the British crime survey and are regarded as a more reliable measure of actual levels of crime because it includes experiences of crime that go unreported. Overall levels of crime have actually fallen slightly over the last couple of years.
Again, I don't live in Oz and have no particular thing against Oz, but it has the highest levels of crime in the industrialised world. If you live there you have a one in three chance of being victim of a crime within the last year... [/QUOTE]

AndrewR

Yes, I can tell....

gsmith1610

I have to put this post up, even though myself am leaving the UK in January 04 for Vancouver.

Yes, the UK has the worst traffic jams in the world and yes crime is high with a 'durggy' on every street corner...but come on, lets not forget the 'good' points of the UK!

You should all be grateful to have come from the UK and not to forget the privilege you face in being able to actually leave your country and explore without being afraid to return!

Instead of slagging of the UK all the time, just remember what your Grandparents fought for!

Far too may expats verbally abuse their home country. I have seen it far too many times on this board.

My reason for leaving my home country for a time being, is to enrich my life and to experience the world and get to know difference cultures, so that when i return to the UK, i can tell my children about it.

Lets just get a bit more faith and backing behind the UK, afterall, your family are still there?

I apologise if this post seems a little critical, it is not my intention.



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bondipom

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In Victoria a couple of Mafia families have been going at each other. So far no one accidentally hit in the cross fire so no one is crying.

Merlot

Well said, coming back in March 2004 for the same reasons.

ontheball

The UK is one of the dirtiest countries in the world, according to a searing indictment published by the World Economic Forum, meeting this weekend in New York.
The report says the UK has the worst record of protecting the environment of any country in Europe apart from Belgium, and is worse than Mexico, Russia, Japan and the US.

Overall, the 2002 Environmental Sustainability Index ranks the UK in 98th position out of 142 countries.

The UK is deemed to have a particularly poor record when it comes to reducing air pollution, protecting habitats and reducing greenhouse gases, and has just about the worst performance in the world when it comes to reducing waste and encouraging recycling. Tony Juniper of Friends of the Earth said: 'The study shows the poor record on the environment of successive British governments. To be ranked below the US must embarrass the Prime Minister, who once promised to put the environment at the heart of government.'

The study, compiled by academics at the Yale Centre for Environmental Law and policy and the centre for international earth science information network at Columbia University, takes into account 68 different factors, including how a country responds to pollution, how it protects land, how corrupt the government is and how seriously it takes global climate change.

Yale's Daniel Esty, project manager of the study, was particularly critical of the UK: 'This is a country whose starting point is a degraded environment. You're starting in a deficit position.'

Overall, says Esty, Britain's performance is so low on the table because of its ongoing failure to address its environmental issues.

'You have serious air pollution and a lot of eco-system stress derived from an inadequate land protection program, habitat destruction, significant waste and consumption pressures.'

simonsays

Or that over-crowding in England is going to get even worse:


Over-crowding in England going to get much worse
Successive governments, by failing to tackle population growth, are turning Britain into a human battery farm - the ugly, congested, unsustainable, urban backyard of Europe.

UK population has grown 20 per cent since 1950. It is 59 million and still rising, projected to grow another 5 million by 2040.

London and the South-East are rapidly becoming a single megalopolis of gridlocked urban sprawl. In its announcement of the Communities Plan for England on 4 February 2003, the UK government planned for the construction of 200,000 more homes by 2016, in addition to 900,000 already planned by local authorities.

In a nightmare vision of the English countryside in 2020, a report to the government's Countryside Agency [The state of the countryside 2020: Scenarios for the future of rural England] published in March 2003 passively accepted that demographic developments will lead to the building of two million new homes across the countryside.

Pent-up and future population growth will be the main cause, made worse by the splitting of households into smaller units - the number of people per household is expected to shrink from 2.5 to 2.25 over the 20 years from 1990 to 2010. So a projected further increase in population of some 4 million by 2026 (7 per cent), and a possible 7 million by 2050, will be even more damaging than previously thought.

Extra housing needs extra roads, energy and other infrastructure. If governments continue to act on a predict-and-provide basis the problems caused by overpopulation will simply spread. Without a policy to gradually reduce UK population there can be no long-term solution to the UK housing problem. Extra housing means extra infrastructure to support it, which multiplies the impact of urbanisation.

Nearly 90 per cent of Britain's population now lives in urban areas, and those areas are continuously expanding to meet the need for ever more houses, roads, airports, shops, offices, factories, hospitals, leisure facilities, power stations, prisons and waste dumps (housing is not the only source of continued land loss spurred on by population growth: an average nuclear power station requires 40 hectares and, if gas cooled, will not be dismantled until 85 years after shutdown. The prison population in England and Wales grew by 25,000 from 1990 t0 71,000 at the end of 2001 and is likely to reach 110,000 by 2010, so that 40 new prisons may have to be built).

According to the Council for the Protection of Rural England, government plans are to build three million new homes in England by 2020 - one million of them in London and the South-East. In spite of recent moves to promote urban regeneration and the use of brownfield sites, up to 60 per cent of new homes may have to be built on greenfield sites and farm land. Both greenfield sites and Green Belt are already being sacrificed to urbanisation and a further 50,000 hectares of countryside (nearly five times the area of Manchester) would have to be concreted over. Every additional home also creates additional demand on resources such as energy and transport, and is therefore likely to increase greenhouse gas emissions.

A whole generation of Britons is being priced out of the housing market. House prices in the UK have now been rising for more than a decade, since the bursting of the stock market bubble. This phenomenon is usually attributed to: low interest rates, easy borrowing at high multiples of income; lack of land supply for building; and, more recently, to the attraction of property as an investment compared with falling equities. While all these factors are real, booming population growth is rarely mentioned. It is a fundamental factor. Population growth curbs freedom. The current Planning and Compulsory Purchase Bill threatens to remove yet more rights from people to control their own environment in order to carry out large infrastructure projects - to accommodate population growth (whether by natural increase or net inward migration) that could easily have been prevented.

dunroving

Can you say "overkill"?

Post your stupid cut and paste on one thread and be done with it!

Also, do you have any (original) thoughts of your own?

If you want any credibility, quote your sources and give comment. This undocumented, uncommented cut and paste crap gets boring.

gsmith1610

I do stongly agree with some of your comments but it generally infuriates me that people can quote all these figures and facts, yet, they will write reams about the state of a country and seem interested and intrigued in researching it, but yet, they dont seem to do anything proactive about it. Forgive me if you do however, this is a general comment not aimed at anybody on this board.

Going back to point of the thread, so many people are too ready to complain about the UK and its 'dire' state of affairs.

You have probably lived in the uk for 15-30 years or so, and i dare say you have probably contributed to its current state in some way and as i have said previously you should feel lucky that if you feel purturbed by the Uk then you have had the ability to move onto another country and set up a life there! Or is it a case of moving to another country to use or rather clog up their systems, roads, transport, healthcare etc!?

Until people are ready to face up to the problems within the UK and support it ,rather than run out on it, then it is not going to get any better. I feel people in the Uk are too scared to speak out, or have just become too set in their ways of looking after no 1 to care!

People are all too ready to lay back and let someone else worry about the state of affairs. The Government can be blamed for some of the dire policies that are apparent in the UK, but not everything.

Having looked at some of the facts and figures quoted, it seems a real shame that the UK is is in such a state!

I am 25 and feel very strongly about the state of the UK and the fact that the people who can make a difference seem to want to run out of the UK instead of trying to make it a better place!!! I would love to think that my children had a real chance to succeed in the UK. Until 'we' this generation and the generation before us gets there act into gear then the UK is not going to get any better.

It annoyes me to see so many people around my age on drugs, bumming around the streets, robbing old people and the young to get more drugs! Yes, we can have support networks in place, who do a fab job, but until the addicts are really ready to come off drugs then, lets face it, whats the point! I saw an old school friend about a year back, begging!!! I was absolutely disgusted!

Lets get some more people really concerned about the UK and doing something proactive and ASSERTIVE to make a difference!!!

And lastly, bring boot camps or the National Service back to the UK to get the dead legs and thugs off the street and have some discpline drummed into them! Whilst thousands of service men and women were in Iraq, we have thousands of thugs, lining their own pockets and generally been a complete waste of space for the UK! Also, get the people who deal drugs /prostiution etc off the streets. (this is only a small part of it)

I was upset by the recent war in Iraq and did think that elements of it were uncalled for however, we saw demonstrations in London and people with a real passion for making a difference.

Why cant we have people demonstrating about other issues so passionately! I have never seem demonstrations of that magnitude of a long time!

If they are so passionate then get into action and make a difference on some other important issues! Or, actually get over there in Iraq and continue your plight and assit the aid agencies or stay over here in the UK and assist the charities over here!

I am pobably asking for a miracle but i havent lost all faith in the UK yet!

Again, i assert that this posting is not a dig at any of the postings on this board, it is a general posting, leading from some of the points made on this board.

sibsie

Poll Tax Riots in Trafalgar Square spring to mind as does the petrol crisis of a few years ago.

ontheball

According to the Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, England's overall crime rate tops that of the United States in virtually every major category, including violent crimes.