scot47

We should leave all the decisions to the Bankers and the City of London. They run the show anyway.

Cape Blue

I never really understand who the unelected bureaucrats are?

EU Commission = functional equivalent of the UK civil service and are nominated for renewable 4-years period by member states.

EU Parliament - elected MEP by the EU populace

Council of Ministers - elected national governments

Rules and regulations have to go through both the EU Parliament and the Council of Ministers.

The real issue is gutless national governments blaming the EU for polices and regulations that they also actively support, but don't have the nads to say so.

JAJ

The real question is who do you want to be governed by? The "EU populace" or your own national community.

scot47

"Your own national community" or a bunch of Old Etonians ?

Panhandle

Nationals from our own nation can only be the choice, even if they be old Etonians, atleast they wouldn't be faceless people and can be held to account.

Panhandle

Like all bureaucrats, you will rarely know who they are, but if you wish to meet a EU Eurocrat you can catch the gravy train from waterloo its the only circle line going to Brussels

Panhandle

Im not sure that this rule was decided by Brussels, though this rule is in its self scandalous, Im sure that if the UK never allowed free movement into the UK of EU nationals this type of knee jerk reaction to stem the flow of migrants would never have come into existence.

Its akin to bailing out a sinking ship with a paper cup while the leak continues!

Creating untold misery for hardworking honest folk who just want to get on with their live's.

WEBlue

Teresa May would counter that she's just "doing my job". The job she & UKBA have been assigned is to keep the foreigners outside the gates of the fair kingdom.

No one protested when work visa changes came in to cut those numbers of working foreigners down down down. And nobody protested when the crackdown on student visas went into effect. Well..a few schools & employers protested weakly because they knew there's no going back to the past, that strong countries are now multi-cultural for survival's sake.

So then we had the family visas drastically overhauled. Really, what else could we expect? It was the natural next step. The British public are so used to blaming the foreign migrant now for any & all problems that no one even blinked an eye at the thought that British citizens might not be able to live in their home country if they marry one of those foreigners.

Leaving the EU will not solve the BRITISH problems any more than the family visa debacle did. Wrong solution for the wrong problem! The present government is either hopelessly muddled or deeply, deeply cynical--I suspect both!

Panhandle

Nothing wrong in being in the EU, happy to be there, to be there for the right reasons. Stemming the flow of migrants will take pressure off the NHS, the high cost of housing in the capital is also driven by population growth together will lack of new housing, the latter factor alone has caused great despair among the working population who have lost hope of ever achieving home ownership and are at the mercy of the buy to let market.
There are many facets of changes that have affected the working class, such as cheap labour, the unlivable wage that leads to applications for benefits, even though you've put in a full weeks work, employers are being subsidised by the welfare system that encourage low wages.

Unfettered movement of foreigner has been a disaster, the true financial cost may never be know, yet one wonders why the EU is bankrupt.

Sally Redux

These sorts of easy Daily Mail cliches really get my goat.

It's pretty obvious that Conservatives don't want the social and workplace benefits associated with Europe for Britain, and they'd love to dismantle the NHS. Blaming immigration for all ills is another tired ploy.

Panhandle

Cliche! No cliche there. You seem to have an obsession with the daily mail, and blame other peoples opinions on a daily newspaper rather than except they may have a point and even be right.
Although its difficult for you and others living in a far off land with different laws and cultures to really understand whats going on, unless you have boots on the ground, your opinion is open to much scrutiny.

So you are saying the EU has better social and workplace benefits than the UK?

I wonder why then the hordes of EU migrants choose to come to the UK! Perhaps its the weather.

I found an interesting article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9...of-Geneva.html


This may enlighten you to why a change is on the cards. Its not all about migrants, its more about taking back control.

Im sure you enjoy your self determination well so do we

holly_1948

Well the point is that as long as we have representative democracies there is still hopes of having grass roots MPs and MEPs who come from real-world working class rather than privileged backgrounds.

But referendums, manipulated by the corrupt media, defeat that hope.

If it were in my control I would say that anyone qualified as a lawyer or not educated in a state school is prohibited from holding public office.

WEBlue

I absolutely agree! Elected politicians at least can be questioned about their views and the details of their positions on complex issues like whether to stay/go/change the UK's membership in the EU. Argument and debate are possible, and the discussion itself is valuable for educational purposes for all involved. But referendums are too easily simplified ("dumbed" down) by the media interested only in whipping up contentiousness to sell more newspapers/mags/etc.

Sally Redux

The 'hordes' of immigrants are coming from areas with less work available. The Conservatives are specifically seeking to exclude Britain from the social elements of EU membership.
Even the rambling crap that Desdemona posted admitted that the economic benefits of withdrawal are not there. The days of trading with New Zealand are long gone.
Edit: This post was actually in another thread in the Trailer Park, and has now been removed.

The whole idea is a disaster, and the need for people to cling onto scaremongering phrases like 'Giants of Geneva' and 'faceless bureaucrats' just shows how ill-informed they are.

Panhandle

Im sure every significant EU member knows that changes are needed, yet they lack the balls to stand up and be counted, the UK with its back against the wall will come out fighting, and as usual the goal hangers will grab the rewards.

The UK does more trade outside the EU, and its biggest trading partner in the EU are the Germans, you can see why Merkel is happy to sit down and talk.

One must not forget, the UK is a highly skilled and educated society, with many traditional markets, in or out of the EU, like in or out of the Euro zone, will not make a difference in the bigger picture.
We are a robust nation, thats why we remain high on the richest list of nations.

The world uses our language and have confidence in our laws, the UK is not a flash in the pan.