Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
Apr 26th 2003, 9:57 pm
#106
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
The Reid wrote:
> As for these things having no effect on people, tell that to the
> people who spend billions on Film/TV advertising and product
> placement, they could save themselves a lot of money if they knew it
> didnt work!
While I recognize that 'Mxsmanic' is nutter, be careful about becoming
oversimplistic. There is a huge middle ground between "violent films
_cause_ violent behaviour" and "these things have _no_ _effect_".
No doubt _everything_ that one sees has _some_ effect, but (to the best
of my knowledge) there is little or no good evidenct to suggest that
watching violence or crime via film or television does anything to cause
violent or criminal behaviour. Certainly living in an actual environment
of violence and criminal behaviour may lead to such behaviour, but it
would seem as if viewing fiction has no direct causal effect. (Viewing
_non_-fiction violence an crime may have interesting second degree
effects -- eg: creating fear which could create violence -- but this is
plainly not the same thing.)
Additionally, the "advertising" argument is at best weak. Note that
advertisers spend millions _specifically_ _tailoring_ their pitches to
have a specific effect -- yet even so, they frequently _fail_. Film and
television producers attempt to tailor their products to a completely
different purpose (something that people will enjoy watching) -- but
again, they frequently fail. Which illustrates the fact that the
"effects" of images are not straightforward.
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> As for these things having no effect on people, tell that to the
> people who spend billions on Film/TV advertising and product
> placement, they could save themselves a lot of money if they knew it
> didnt work!
While I recognize that 'Mxsmanic' is nutter, be careful about becoming
oversimplistic. There is a huge middle ground between "violent films
_cause_ violent behaviour" and "these things have _no_ _effect_".
No doubt _everything_ that one sees has _some_ effect, but (to the best
of my knowledge) there is little or no good evidenct to suggest that
watching violence or crime via film or television does anything to cause
violent or criminal behaviour. Certainly living in an actual environment
of violence and criminal behaviour may lead to such behaviour, but it
would seem as if viewing fiction has no direct causal effect. (Viewing
_non_-fiction violence an crime may have interesting second degree
effects -- eg: creating fear which could create violence -- but this is
plainly not the same thing.)
Additionally, the "advertising" argument is at best weak. Note that
advertisers spend millions _specifically_ _tailoring_ their pitches to
have a specific effect -- yet even so, they frequently _fail_. Film and
television producers attempt to tailor their products to a completely
different purpose (something that people will enjoy watching) -- but
again, they frequently fail. Which illustrates the fact that the
"effects" of images are not straightforward.
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greg byshenk - [email protected] - Leiden, NL
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Apr 26th 2003, 10:30 pm
#107
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
> While I recognize that 'Mxsmanic' is nutter,
Gosh, what gave it away?
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Apr 26th 2003, 11:16 pm
#108
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
"Deep Floyd Mars" a écrit dans le
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> Congratulations, you have won. I am no longer
> interested in your surreal version of reality.
Famous last words.
> McDonalds is healthy, and kids are never
> interested in porn.
A significant interest in pornography among prepubescent children (beyond
simple and temporary curiosity) is often an indication that they have been
sexually approached by older individuals, and may merit investigation. It
does not develop spontaneously, since sex is fundamentally uninteresting and
even repulsive to anyone who has not gone through puberty.
message de news: [email protected]...
> Congratulations, you have won. I am no longer
> interested in your surreal version of reality.
Famous last words.
> McDonalds is healthy, and kids are never
> interested in porn.
A significant interest in pornography among prepubescent children (beyond
simple and temporary curiosity) is often an indication that they have been
sexually approached by older individuals, and may merit investigation. It
does not develop spontaneously, since sex is fundamentally uninteresting and
even repulsive to anyone who has not gone through puberty.
Apr 27th 2003, 2:46 am
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
Marie Lewis wrote in message
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> In article , Deep Floyd Mars
> writes
> >You brain is supposed to automatically interpret typos into the obvious
> >meaning. It was meant to be 'psyche'.
> "You brain?"
Congratulations, you pass the ultra-pedantic test.
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> In article , Deep Floyd Mars
> writes
> >You brain is supposed to automatically interpret typos into the obvious
> >meaning. It was meant to be 'psyche'.
> "You brain?"
Congratulations, you pass the ultra-pedantic test.
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Apr 27th 2003, 9:17 am
#110
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
In article , Deep Floyd Mars
writes
>Marie Lewis wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article , Deep Floyd Mars
>> writes
>> >You brain is supposed to automatically interpret typos into the obvious
>> >meaning. It was meant to be 'psyche'.
>> "You brain?"
>Congratulations, you pass the ultra-pedantic test.
>)
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>DFM
Who asked you?
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>Marie Lewis wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article , Deep Floyd Mars
>> writes
>> >You brain is supposed to automatically interpret typos into the obvious
>> >meaning. It was meant to be 'psyche'.
>> "You brain?"
>Congratulations, you pass the ultra-pedantic test.
>
)>---
>DFM
Who asked you?
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Apr 27th 2003, 7:26 pm
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Following up to greg byshenk
>Which illustrates the fact that the
>"effects" of images are not straightforward.
yes, i'm sure its not simple or straightforward.
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>Which illustrates the fact that the
>"effects" of images are not straightforward.
yes, i'm sure its not simple or straightforward.
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Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
London & the British hills "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Apr 27th 2003, 7:26 pm
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Following up to Deep Floyd Mars
>Why _not_ remove traffic signals? They are a restriction on freedom.
As an aside, I reckon the London traffic would run a lot better if 3/4
of all traffic controls were removed, every time they put in extra
traffic lights it creates a new gridlocked area.
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Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
London & the British hills "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>Why _not_ remove traffic signals? They are a restriction on freedom.
As an aside, I reckon the London traffic would run a lot better if 3/4
of all traffic controls were removed, every time they put in extra
traffic lights it creates a new gridlocked area.
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Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
London & the British hills "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Apr 27th 2003, 10:12 pm
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
Marie Lewis wrote in message
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> In article , Deep Floyd Mars
> writes
> >Marie Lewis wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> In article , Deep Floyd Mars
> >> writes
> >> >You brain is supposed to automatically interpret typos into the
obvious
> >> >meaning. It was meant to be 'psyche'.
> >>
> >>
> >> "You brain?"
> >
> >Congratulations, you pass the ultra-pedantic test.
> >
> >)
> >---
> >DFM
> >
> >
> Who asked you?
You decided to point out two unremarkable typos. Why did your bother?
(Go on, go for the trifecta Marie)
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DFM
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> In article , Deep Floyd Mars
> writes
> >Marie Lewis wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> In article , Deep Floyd Mars
> >> writes
> >> >You brain is supposed to automatically interpret typos into the
obvious
> >> >meaning. It was meant to be 'psyche'.
> >>
> >>
> >> "You brain?"
> >
> >Congratulations, you pass the ultra-pedantic test.
> >
> >
)> >---
> >DFM
> >
> >
> Who asked you?
You decided to point out two unremarkable typos. Why did your bother?
(Go on, go for the trifecta Marie)
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DFM
