Why do they call the Mona Lisa "La Joconde"
Jun 27th 2003, 10:32 am
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Re: Why do they call the Mona Lisa "La Joconde"
Luca Logi wrote:
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> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
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> > OH! Then what's the significance of the character in the opera of that
> > name? She's supposed to be a street-singer, so I assumed that was what
> > the name meant.
>
> "Giocondo" (female form "gioconda") means an happy person (rarely used
> now).
It's obviouslt a cognate of the English word "jocund" which is also
rarely used.
Barbara
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> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
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> > OH! Then what's the significance of the character in the opera of that
> > name? She's supposed to be a street-singer, so I assumed that was what
> > the name meant.
>
> "Giocondo" (female form "gioconda") means an happy person (rarely used
> now).
It's obviouslt a cognate of the English word "jocund" which is also
rarely used.
Barbara
Jun 27th 2003, 2:59 pm
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Re: Why do they call the Mona Lisa "La Joconde"
Luca Logi wrote:
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> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
> > OH! Then what's the significance of the character in the opera of that
> > name? She's supposed to be a street-singer, so I assumed that was what
> > the name meant.
>
> "Giocondo" (female form "gioconda") means an happy person (rarely used
> now). The character in the opera is a street-singer, but this is not the
> meaning of the title.
Thanks, Luca. If I had been trying to describe myself in Italian, I
would have used "cantatrice" (which I THINK means "singer, female"), but
I was trying to be an opera singer, not a beggar (although there are
similarities). Also, there are large holes in my knowledge of Italian,
and the language used in opera may be as outdated as Shakespearean
English.
>
> --
> Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
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> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
> > OH! Then what's the significance of the character in the opera of that
> > name? She's supposed to be a street-singer, so I assumed that was what
> > the name meant.
>
> "Giocondo" (female form "gioconda") means an happy person (rarely used
> now). The character in the opera is a street-singer, but this is not the
> meaning of the title.
Thanks, Luca. If I had been trying to describe myself in Italian, I
would have used "cantatrice" (which I THINK means "singer, female"), but
I was trying to be an opera singer, not a beggar (although there are
similarities). Also, there are large holes in my knowledge of Italian,
and the language used in opera may be as outdated as Shakespearean
English.
>
> --
> Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Jun 27th 2003, 3:01 pm
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Re: Why do they call the Mona Lisa "La Joconde"
The Reid wrote:
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>
> There seems to be reams of nonsense about her smile, which is just a
> smile as far asI can see.
With mouth closed - probably due to not wanting to display bad teeth
(big "mystery", that!).
>
>
> There seems to be reams of nonsense about her smile, which is just a
> smile as far asI can see.
With mouth closed - probably due to not wanting to display bad teeth
(big "mystery", that!).
Jun 27th 2003, 3:03 pm
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Re: Why do they call the Mona Lisa "La Joconde"
Tim wrote:
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> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:08:01 +0100, The Reid walker.co.uk> wrote:
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> > Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
> >
> >> It's "La Gioconda", and that's the official name of it - It means "the
> >> street-singer", I think. (Mona Lisa was presumably the name of the
> >> woman in the painting.)
> >
> > Looking round a few web sites I don't think the names mean anything,
> > they are just her name.
> >
> > "Portrait of Mona Lisa (1479-1528), also known as La Gioconda, the
> > wife of Francesco del Giocondo; 1503-06 (150 Kb); Oil on wood, 77 x 53
> > cm (30 x 20 7/8 in); Musee du Louvre, Paris" from one of the more
> > sensible sites.
> >
> > There seems to be reams of nonsense about her smile, which is just a
> > smile as far asI can see.
>
> Wasn't Mon(n)a Lisa her maiden name ? Tim.
No, "Mon(n)a" is a prefix (like Miss, Mrs., Madame, etc.) Lisa would
have been her first name. (And Giocondo/a her married surname.)
>
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:08:01 +0100, The Reid walker.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
> >
> >> It's "La Gioconda", and that's the official name of it - It means "the
> >> street-singer", I think. (Mona Lisa was presumably the name of the
> >> woman in the painting.)
> >
> > Looking round a few web sites I don't think the names mean anything,
> > they are just her name.
> >
> > "Portrait of Mona Lisa (1479-1528), also known as La Gioconda, the
> > wife of Francesco del Giocondo; 1503-06 (150 Kb); Oil on wood, 77 x 53
> > cm (30 x 20 7/8 in); Musee du Louvre, Paris" from one of the more
> > sensible sites.
> >
> > There seems to be reams of nonsense about her smile, which is just a
> > smile as far asI can see.
>
> Wasn't Mon(n)a Lisa her maiden name ? Tim.
No, "Mon(n)a" is a prefix (like Miss, Mrs., Madame, etc.) Lisa would
have been her first name. (And Giocondo/a her married surname.)
Jun 27th 2003, 3:32 pm
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Re: Why do they call the Mona Lisa "La Joconde"
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> Thanks, Luca. If I had been trying to describe myself in Italian, I
> would have used "cantatrice" (which I THINK means "singer, female"), but
> I was trying to be an opera singer, not a beggar (although there are
> similarities). Also, there are large holes in my knowledge of Italian,
> and the language used in opera may be as outdated as Shakespearean
> English.
"Cantante" (a singer, either male or female) is the modern form now.
"Cantatrice" has an arcaic sound.
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Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
> Thanks, Luca. If I had been trying to describe myself in Italian, I
> would have used "cantatrice" (which I THINK means "singer, female"), but
> I was trying to be an opera singer, not a beggar (although there are
> similarities). Also, there are large holes in my knowledge of Italian,
> and the language used in opera may be as outdated as Shakespearean
> English.
"Cantante" (a singer, either male or female) is the modern form now.
"Cantatrice" has an arcaic sound.
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Jun 27th 2003, 7:22 pm
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Re: Why do they call the Mona Lisa "La Joconde"
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
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> No, "Mon(n)a" is a prefix (like Miss, Mrs., Madame, etc.) Lisa would
> have been her first name.
And an abbreviation of "Elisabetta", I believe, making her Ms Liz!
Alan Harrison
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> No, "Mon(n)a" is a prefix (like Miss, Mrs., Madame, etc.) Lisa would
> have been her first name.
And an abbreviation of "Elisabetta", I believe, making her Ms Liz!
Alan Harrison
Jun 30th 2003, 8:56 am
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Re: Why do they call the Mona Lisa "La Joconde"
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:03:44 -0700, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:08:01 +0100, The Reid > walker.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>> >
>> >> It's "La Gioconda", and that's the official name of it - It means
>> "the
>> >> street-singer", I think. (Mona Lisa was presumably the name of the
>> >> woman in the painting.)
>> >
>> > Looking round a few web sites I don't think the names mean anything,
>> > they are just her name.
>> >
>> > "Portrait of Mona Lisa (1479-1528), also known as La Gioconda, the
>> > wife of Francesco del Giocondo; 1503-06 (150 Kb); Oil on wood, 77 x 53
>> > cm (30 x 20 7/8 in); Musee du Louvre, Paris" from one of the more
>> > sensible sites.
>> >
>> > There seems to be reams of nonsense about her smile, which is just a
>> > smile as far asI can see.
>> Wasn't Mon(n)a Lisa her maiden name ? Tim.
> No, "Mon(n)a" is a prefix (like Miss, Mrs., Madame, etc.) Lisa would
> have been her first name. (And Giocondo/a her married surname.)
Thanks, my Italian is (effectively) non-existent.
Tim.
wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:08:01 +0100, The Reid > walker.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>> >
>> >> It's "La Gioconda", and that's the official name of it - It means
>> "the
>> >> street-singer", I think. (Mona Lisa was presumably the name of the
>> >> woman in the painting.)
>> >
>> > Looking round a few web sites I don't think the names mean anything,
>> > they are just her name.
>> >
>> > "Portrait of Mona Lisa (1479-1528), also known as La Gioconda, the
>> > wife of Francesco del Giocondo; 1503-06 (150 Kb); Oil on wood, 77 x 53
>> > cm (30 x 20 7/8 in); Musee du Louvre, Paris" from one of the more
>> > sensible sites.
>> >
>> > There seems to be reams of nonsense about her smile, which is just a
>> > smile as far asI can see.
>> Wasn't Mon(n)a Lisa her maiden name ? Tim.
> No, "Mon(n)a" is a prefix (like Miss, Mrs., Madame, etc.) Lisa would
> have been her first name. (And Giocondo/a her married surname.)
Thanks, my Italian is (effectively) non-existent.
Tim.
