Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
May 3rd 2005, 9:06 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
I think they are a fantastic idea. It makes cleaning the outside of
the window easy, and it's secure to leave it open when you're not at
home. The double glazing has a big effect on heat/cold and noise too.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
I think they are a fantastic idea. It makes cleaning the outside of
the window easy, and it's secure to leave it open when you're not at
home. The double glazing has a big effect on heat/cold and noise too.
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May 3rd 2005, 9:23 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
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> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
> I think they are a fantastic idea. It makes cleaning the outside of
> the window easy, and it's secure to leave it open when you're not at
> home. The double glazing has a big effect on heat/cold and noise too.
They are common in the UK and are just known as "tilt and turn" windows.
JohnT
message news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
> I think they are a fantastic idea. It makes cleaning the outside of
> the window easy, and it's secure to leave it open when you're not at
> home. The double glazing has a big effect on heat/cold and noise too.
They are common in the UK and are just known as "tilt and turn" windows.
JohnT
May 3rd 2005, 9:52 pm
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
In article <[email protected]. net>,
spamfree <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>
> Because it is impossible to use screens with them. Most Americans
> do not want flies, mosquitos, or moths inside the house.
And at night the moths and beetles are attracted to the lights indoors.
jay
Tue May 03, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
> As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a door
> outwards. If the window were designed to tilt in at the top or swing
> like a door *inward*, then a screen might be used on the outside.
>
> > Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> > language to describe them AFAIF.
>
> Marvin Windows refers to them as Tilt Turn windows. See it at
> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...08-4F0C-931D9E
> AD13661B2F
> It appears that Marvin designed them to open inwards, both tilting in
> and swinging in, so a screen could be used with them unless the hinges
> allowing tilting get in the way. Marvin's website shows an option for an
> interior screen, but that is impossible given Marvin's configuration
> (perhaps the screen is actually exterior). I saw the original European
> design in another American window manufacturer's catalog, but I
> cannot remember their name right now.
>
>
> Pete
>
spamfree <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>
> Because it is impossible to use screens with them. Most Americans
> do not want flies, mosquitos, or moths inside the house.
And at night the moths and beetles are attracted to the lights indoors.
jay
Tue May 03, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
> As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a door
> outwards. If the window were designed to tilt in at the top or swing
> like a door *inward*, then a screen might be used on the outside.
>
> > Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> > language to describe them AFAIF.
>
> Marvin Windows refers to them as Tilt Turn windows. See it at
> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...08-4F0C-931D9E
> AD13661B2F
> It appears that Marvin designed them to open inwards, both tilting in
> and swinging in, so a screen could be used with them unless the hinges
> allowing tilting get in the way. Marvin's website shows an option for an
> interior screen, but that is impossible given Marvin's configuration
> (perhaps the screen is actually exterior). I saw the original European
> design in another American window manufacturer's catalog, but I
> cannot remember their name right now.
>
>
> Pete
>
May 4th 2005, 2:49 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
Kevin wrote:
> Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in
> through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside.
> Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window screens
> would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters
> without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation.
Europeans would rather freeze, boil, or be eaten to death by insects than
take up a Yankee "affectation" like a window screen.
Same thing with air conditioning, heating, or decent plumbing - they'd
rather cry about their lot and cast aspersions on the "energy - guzzling" US
or whatever than be comfortable. Many Europeans enjoy to play the victim
role, that's why Europe is increasingly becoming a backwater - and why the
European quality of life is lower than that of North America, Australia,
NZ...
Just wait - with warmer weather now you'll see discussionson this froup that
bring up the subject of air - conditioning, and many of the Europeans here
will deride AC as a silly Yankee affectation. This despite the fact that AC
is becoming increasingly common the world over, that it's a huge globe -
spanning
business with largely US roots, the fact that it makes life more bearable
and comfortable, that it's been common for many decades in some places
(North America...). If it wasn't for US innovations Europeans would
probably still be using gaslight, driving around in horse carriages, and
using chamber pots instead of flush toilets...
Hopefully there will not be another huge European heat wave like there was
several years ago. You can bet that despite the need for air conditioning
during such heat spells Europeans by and large have ignored the message.
They'll sit around and squawk and gawk *after* the fact but they won't do
anything about it, even if many hundreds of thousands of people die...
Heck, even a supposedly First World country like France doesn't have AC in
it's hospitals...
> I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized
> windows.
Europeans by and large aren't interested in taking a few easy steps to
improve their lot, you'll never see window screens in Europe. They would
never do something so practical.
--
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Greg
> Windows screens are similar to a filter that blocks insects from flying in
> through the windws, yet allows vision outside and breeze inside.
> Considering how many European hotels lack air conditioning, window screens
> would be useful in controlling mosquitoes access to sleeping quarters
> without the guests stifling to death due to lack of air circulation.
Europeans would rather freeze, boil, or be eaten to death by insects than
take up a Yankee "affectation" like a window screen.
Same thing with air conditioning, heating, or decent plumbing - they'd
rather cry about their lot and cast aspersions on the "energy - guzzling" US
or whatever than be comfortable. Many Europeans enjoy to play the victim
role, that's why Europe is increasingly becoming a backwater - and why the
European quality of life is lower than that of North America, Australia,
NZ...
Just wait - with warmer weather now you'll see discussionson this froup that
bring up the subject of air - conditioning, and many of the Europeans here
will deride AC as a silly Yankee affectation. This despite the fact that AC
is becoming increasingly common the world over, that it's a huge globe -
spanning
business with largely US roots, the fact that it makes life more bearable
and comfortable, that it's been common for many decades in some places
(North America...). If it wasn't for US innovations Europeans would
probably still be using gaslight, driving around in horse carriages, and
using chamber pots instead of flush toilets...
Hopefully there will not be another huge European heat wave like there was
several years ago. You can bet that despite the need for air conditioning
during such heat spells Europeans by and large have ignored the message.
They'll sit around and squawk and gawk *after* the fact but they won't do
anything about it, even if many hundreds of thousands of people die...
Heck, even a supposedly First World country like France doesn't have AC in
it's hospitals...
> I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized
> windows.
Europeans by and large aren't interested in taking a few easy steps to
improve their lot, you'll never see window screens in Europe. They would
never do something so practical.
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Greg
May 4th 2005, 2:52 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
Tom Peel wrote:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
> > [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> >
> >>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
> >>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> >>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
> >>glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
> >>like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
> >
> >
> > You mean like these?
> >
> >
http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
> >
> OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the population
> originally German?
Believe it or not even those rustic Minnesotans have moved on to more
practical solutions such as central heating, central air conditioning, and
window screens for their climate control needs.
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Greg
> Bert Hyman wrote:
> > [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> >
> >>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
> >>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> >>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
> >>glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
> >>like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
> >
> >
> > You mean like these?
> >
> >
http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
> >
> OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the population
> originally German?
Believe it or not even those rustic Minnesotans have moved on to more
practical solutions such as central heating, central air conditioning, and
window screens for their climate control needs.
--
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Greg
May 4th 2005, 2:55 am
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Tom Peel wrote:
> Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
Because it's not really practical for US conditions...???
> Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> language to describe them AFAIF.
No English word is needed for a device that would never be used in the US...
The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
> window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
> or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
But will it work with screens? I bet not.
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Greg
> Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
Because it's not really practical for US conditions...???
> Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
> language to describe them AFAIF.
No English word is needed for a device that would never be used in the US...
The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
> window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
> or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
But will it work with screens? I bet not.
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Greg
May 4th 2005, 3:36 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
Alan S wrote:
> After living all my life in a country where every window has
> a screen on it, or at least, has had a screen since the
> 1950s, the pre-conceptions just don't stand up in real life.
> "First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed
> in the historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons"
> Not if they are properly designed. Come out here and look
> around.
This is a common refrain I hear from Europeans, that modern conveniences are
"ugly" and thus cannot be incorporated into older buildings.
Decent air con, heating, plumbing, and yes even window screens can be
discretely and tatstefully incorporated into even the oldest buildings. In
fact they can be so well - hidden that the casual observer would barely
notice their presence. Air con for example does not have to consist
exclusively of ugly boxy window units, units with slimline ductwork can be
used, etc...
But just try explaining this to a European :-)
Americans and others have built whole industries around the retro - fitting
of older historical buildinds with mod cons. I guess that Europeans: a)
prefer to remain living in a primitive state, b) are not very
entrepreneurial...
> "Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a
> much better breeze without them."
> Sorry, but that just not true with modern fine-mesh screens.
> And you sure get a better movement of air than you do
> through a window that had to be closed to keep out the bugs
> and flies.
Well you see such a simple and easy concept is far too easy for the average
European to grasp.
In the case of Italy such ridiculous superstitions about fresh air,
refrigeration, air con, etc. are still commonly held. Italians won't dare
have a window open at night because because they fear "night demons" or some
such nonsense...
Even on the hottest days you won't commonly find ice in drinks, it's
supposedly "bad for the digestion", lol...
> I didn't expect to find the total lack of screens that I did
> in Europe. And, as the spring turned to summer, I was
> surprised to find there were nearly as many flies in the
> European country towns as we get back here - all those
> cattle should have been a clue.
Yet you see all these Europeans claiming here that insects are not a
"problem".
Did all that fallout from Chernobyl years ago do in all the European bugs I
have to wonder?
> Maybe it's different in Italy. But, in Mycenae (tiny flies
> kept invading the wine-jug in the restaurant), Zbraslav
> (Prague, moths), Seeg (Bavaria, flies) and many other little
> country villages the insects were a problem that we noticed
> and everyone else blithely ignored.
This kind of thing would be a health code violation here in the States.
Such places that show so little concern towards their customers' health and
hygiene would be quickly shut down.
Did these rustic places have "floor hole" toilets I have to wonder?
> Actually, it was the same in Buonconvento in early May '03;
> the 4* hotel refused to turn on the air-conditioner on a
> very hot night (claimed the government didn't allow it
> before a certain date), so we had to open the windows wide -
> with an invasion of assorted bugs.
No hotel or public accomodation in the States would dare get away with
something so ridiculous. At the very least they'd quickly be out of
business. And they could possibly be closed down for health code
violations.
I simply don't get this backwards myopic European attitude towards one's
personal comfort and hygiene. Even the poorest people in the USA (and other
places) simply will not put up with it.
--
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Greg
> After living all my life in a country where every window has
> a screen on it, or at least, has had a screen since the
> 1950s, the pre-conceptions just don't stand up in real life.
> "First, screens are ugly and would probably not be allowed
> in the historical center of my town for aesthetic reasons"
> Not if they are properly designed. Come out here and look
> around.
This is a common refrain I hear from Europeans, that modern conveniences are
"ugly" and thus cannot be incorporated into older buildings.
Decent air con, heating, plumbing, and yes even window screens can be
discretely and tatstefully incorporated into even the oldest buildings. In
fact they can be so well - hidden that the casual observer would barely
notice their presence. Air con for example does not have to consist
exclusively of ugly boxy window units, units with slimline ductwork can be
used, etc...
But just try explaining this to a European :-)
Americans and others have built whole industries around the retro - fitting
of older historical buildinds with mod cons. I guess that Europeans: a)
prefer to remain living in a primitive state, b) are not very
entrepreneurial...
> "Second, screens do impede the circulation of air. You get a
> much better breeze without them."
> Sorry, but that just not true with modern fine-mesh screens.
> And you sure get a better movement of air than you do
> through a window that had to be closed to keep out the bugs
> and flies.
Well you see such a simple and easy concept is far too easy for the average
European to grasp.
In the case of Italy such ridiculous superstitions about fresh air,
refrigeration, air con, etc. are still commonly held. Italians won't dare
have a window open at night because because they fear "night demons" or some
such nonsense...
Even on the hottest days you won't commonly find ice in drinks, it's
supposedly "bad for the digestion", lol...
> I didn't expect to find the total lack of screens that I did
> in Europe. And, as the spring turned to summer, I was
> surprised to find there were nearly as many flies in the
> European country towns as we get back here - all those
> cattle should have been a clue.
Yet you see all these Europeans claiming here that insects are not a
"problem".
Did all that fallout from Chernobyl years ago do in all the European bugs I
have to wonder?
> Maybe it's different in Italy. But, in Mycenae (tiny flies
> kept invading the wine-jug in the restaurant), Zbraslav
> (Prague, moths), Seeg (Bavaria, flies) and many other little
> country villages the insects were a problem that we noticed
> and everyone else blithely ignored.
This kind of thing would be a health code violation here in the States.
Such places that show so little concern towards their customers' health and
hygiene would be quickly shut down.
Did these rustic places have "floor hole" toilets I have to wonder?
> Actually, it was the same in Buonconvento in early May '03;
> the 4* hotel refused to turn on the air-conditioner on a
> very hot night (claimed the government didn't allow it
> before a certain date), so we had to open the windows wide -
> with an invasion of assorted bugs.
No hotel or public accomodation in the States would dare get away with
something so ridiculous. At the very least they'd quickly be out of
business. And they could possibly be closed down for health code
violations.
I simply don't get this backwards myopic European attitude towards one's
personal comfort and hygiene. Even the poorest people in the USA (and other
places) simply will not put up with it.
--
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Greg
May 4th 2005, 6:11 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Wed, 04 May 2005 02:49:16 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>> I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized
>> windows.
>Europeans by and large aren't interested in taking a few easy steps to
>improve their lot, you'll never see window screens in Europe. They would
>never do something so practical.
Anyone gonna bite?
Good to have you around, Greg!
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<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>> I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized
>> windows.
>Europeans by and large aren't interested in taking a few easy steps to
>improve their lot, you'll never see window screens in Europe. They would
>never do something so practical.
Anyone gonna bite?
Good to have you around, Greg!
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May 4th 2005, 7:07 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Wed, 04 May 2005 06:11:26 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Wed, 04 May 2005 02:49:16 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@ear thlink.net> wrote:
>>> I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized
>>> windows.
>>Europeans by and large aren't interested in taking a few easy steps to
>>improve their lot, you'll never see window screens in Europe. They would
>>never do something so practical.
>Anyone gonna bite?
Is Mixi European?
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Wed, 04 May 2005 02:49:16 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
><gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@ear thlink.net> wrote:
>>> I'm sure screens can be made in varous sizes, even for Eurpean-sized
>>> windows.
>>Europeans by and large aren't interested in taking a few easy steps to
>>improve their lot, you'll never see window screens in Europe. They would
>>never do something so practical.
>Anyone gonna bite?
Is Mixi European?
May 4th 2005, 7:38 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:57:23 +0200, nitram wrote:
> On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:46:37 +0200, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:15:06 +0200, nitram wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>>
>>> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
>>> window tries to fall out?
>>Too often. :-)
>
> Not when you were pissed in a hotel room 3 floors up after diverting
> to a beer festival, whilst on the way to the Salzburg Festival.
It always seems to happen when I'm visiting someone.
"erm, I've broken your window again ...."
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Tim C.
> On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:46:37 +0200, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:15:06 +0200, nitram wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>>
>>> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
>>> window tries to fall out?
>>Too often. :-)
>
> Not when you were pissed in a hotel room 3 floors up after diverting
> to a beer festival, whilst on the way to the Salzburg Festival.
It always seems to happen when I'm visiting someone.
"erm, I've broken your window again ...."
--
Tim C.
May 4th 2005, 7:39 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Wed, 04 May 2005 02:52:14 GMT, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Tom Peel wrote:
>
>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>> [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
>>>>glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
>>>>like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>> You mean like these?
> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
>> OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the population
>> originally German?
>
> Believe it or not even those rustic Minnesotans have moved on to more
> practical solutions such as central heating, central air conditioning, and
> window screens for their climate control needs.
They don't have windows that open?
--
Tim C.
> Tom Peel wrote:
>
>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>> [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
>>>>glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
>>>>like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>> You mean like these?
> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
>> OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the population
>> originally German?
>
> Believe it or not even those rustic Minnesotans have moved on to more
> practical solutions such as central heating, central air conditioning, and
> window screens for their climate control needs.
They don't have windows that open?
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Tim C.
May 4th 2005, 7:39 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Tue, 03 May 2005 14:46:40 GMT, spamfree wrote:
> As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a door
> outwards.
Inwards.
--
Tim C.
> As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a door
> outwards.
Inwards.
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May 4th 2005, 7:43 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Wed, 4 May 2005 09:38:01 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:57:23 +0200, nitram wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:46:37 +0200, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:15:06 +0200, nitram wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>>>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>>>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>>>
>>>> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
>>>> window tries to fall out?
>>>Too often. :-)
>>
>> Not when you were pissed in a hotel room 3 floors up after diverting
>> to a beer festival, whilst on the way to the Salzburg Festival.
>It always seems to happen when I'm visiting someone.
>"erm, I've broken your window again ...."
I know the feeling.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:57:23 +0200, nitram wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:46:37 +0200, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:15:06 +0200, nitram wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:09:55 +0200, Tom Peel
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double glazed
>>>>>window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge, like a door,
>>>>>or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>>>
>>>> Did you ever get one in the intermediate position, where the whole
>>>> window tries to fall out?
>>>Too often. :-)
>>
>> Not when you were pissed in a hotel room 3 floors up after diverting
>> to a beer festival, whilst on the way to the Salzburg Festival.
>It always seems to happen when I'm visiting someone.
>"erm, I've broken your window again ...."
I know the feeling.
May 4th 2005, 7:44 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Wed, 4 May 2005 09:39:25 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 04 May 2005 02:52:14 GMT, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> Tom Peel wrote:
>>
>>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>>> [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
>>>>>glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
>>>>>like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>>> You mean like these?
>> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
>>> OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the population
>>> originally German?
>>
>> Believe it or not even those rustic Minnesotans have moved on to more
>> practical solutions such as central heating, central air conditioning, and
>> window screens for their climate control needs.
>They don't have windows that open?
You can't recirculate the air ten times, if you have windows that
open.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 04 May 2005 02:52:14 GMT, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> Tom Peel wrote:
>>
>>> Bert Hyman wrote:
>>>> [email protected] (Tom Peel) wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>Now, the question is: why do Americans oppose the Kippdrehfenster?
>>>>>Not only do they not exist, there is not even a word in the English
>>>>>language to describe them AFAIF. The Kippdrehfenster is a double
>>>>>glazed window that can be either opened along the vertical hinge,
>>>>>like a door, or a along a hinge at the bottom, to tilt.
>>>> You mean like these?
>> http://homeowner.marvin.com/products...1D9EAD13661B2F
>>> OK - they have heard of them in Minneapolis - isn't half the population
>>> originally German?
>>
>> Believe it or not even those rustic Minnesotans have moved on to more
>> practical solutions such as central heating, central air conditioning, and
>> window screens for their climate control needs.
>They don't have windows that open?
You can't recirculate the air ten times, if you have windows that
open.
May 4th 2005, 7:45 am
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Re: Why do Europeans Oppose Window Screens?
On Wed, 4 May 2005 09:39:52 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 14:46:40 GMT, spamfree wrote:
>> As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a door
>> outwards.
>Inwards.
swings in and falls outwards :-)
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 May 2005 14:46:40 GMT, spamfree wrote:
>> As I understand it, this window tilts in at the top or swings like a door
>> outwards.
>Inwards.
swings in and falls outwards :-)