Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
Feb 14th 2005, 6:00 am
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
"GoldenArse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "GoldenArse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >> Not so. To be anglicised, an expression needs first to exist in
>> >> >> another language. From its inception, the airline was given the name
>> >> >> "Air Lingus" in both Gaelic and English.
>> >> >
>> >> >But your own name is Patrick Walsh as well as Padraig Breathnach.
>Explain
>> >> >that then........
>> >> >
>> >> I see no sense or logic in your challenge.
>> >>
>> >Explain the Anglicisation of your name.
>> >
>> You anglicised it, not I.
>Wrong.
In what respect am I wrong? I never anglicised my name. I use only one
name, no matter what language I operate in.
> Explain the "Welshman" context then.
From a useful website:
"Breathnach"
There are two major groups of Celtic peoples in this part of the
world: The Goidels and the Brythons. These terms are favoured by
scholars. In popular usage, one finds the versions "Gael" and
"Briton".
The Goidelic people are the Irish, the Scots, and the Manx. They are
also classed as the Q-Celts because they used a "q" or hard "c" sound
in certain words (e.g. "ceann" for "head").
The Brythonic people include the Welsh, the Cornish, and the Bretons.
They are classed as P-Celts because they used the "p" sound where the
Goidels used the "q" sound ("pen" for "head").
In Gaelic, the word "Breathnach" means "Brythonic". This is not the
same as "British" in the modern sense. It is narrower in application,
referring to Celtic people. Because the Irish have had far more
interaction with the Welsh than with the other Brythonic peoples, it
is often used simply to mean "Welsh". In fact, that is the common
anglicisation of the name: Walsh or Welsh.
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>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "GoldenArse" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >> Not so. To be anglicised, an expression needs first to exist in
>> >> >> another language. From its inception, the airline was given the name
>> >> >> "Air Lingus" in both Gaelic and English.
>> >> >
>> >> >But your own name is Patrick Walsh as well as Padraig Breathnach.
>Explain
>> >> >that then........
>> >> >
>> >> I see no sense or logic in your challenge.
>> >>
>> >Explain the Anglicisation of your name.
>> >
>> You anglicised it, not I.
>Wrong.
In what respect am I wrong? I never anglicised my name. I use only one
name, no matter what language I operate in.
> Explain the "Welshman" context then.
From a useful website:
"Breathnach"
There are two major groups of Celtic peoples in this part of the
world: The Goidels and the Brythons. These terms are favoured by
scholars. In popular usage, one finds the versions "Gael" and
"Briton".
The Goidelic people are the Irish, the Scots, and the Manx. They are
also classed as the Q-Celts because they used a "q" or hard "c" sound
in certain words (e.g. "ceann" for "head").
The Brythonic people include the Welsh, the Cornish, and the Bretons.
They are classed as P-Celts because they used the "p" sound where the
Goidels used the "q" sound ("pen" for "head").
In Gaelic, the word "Breathnach" means "Brythonic". This is not the
same as "British" in the modern sense. It is narrower in application,
referring to Celtic people. Because the Irish have had far more
interaction with the Welsh than with the other Brythonic peoples, it
is often used simply to mean "Welsh". In fact, that is the common
anglicisation of the name: Walsh or Welsh.
--
PB
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Feb 14th 2005, 6:24 am
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
The message <[email protected]>
from Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> contains these words:
> >Does this still happen? I thought SNN was being bypassed on most
> >flights.?
> Half of US flights are required to stop at Shannon
I just came across this:
Source: Irish Independent
End to stopover flags new stable of direct US flights
Sunday February 13th 2005
JANE SUITER
EXCLUSIVE
THE Shannon stopover is to be phased out, allowing Aer Lingus to fly
directly to three new US destinations including San Francisco and
Philadelphia, the Sunday Independent can reveal.
Irish and US officials are close to a deal on the phasing out of the
controversial stopover and an announcement is expected soon.
A spokesman for Aer Lingus said the deal would allow flights from Dublin
to Orlando on a scheduled service, San Francisco and a destination in
the Washington metropolitan area such as Baltimore or Philadelphia. John
Byerly, US deputy assistant secretary for transportation affairs, last
week hinted that the stopover would have to go as part of US-EU
negotiations to open the skies.
"Fifteen out of 25 EU member states have bilateral open skies agreements
with us. Ireland is not one of them. Isn't it strange and, frankly,
isn't it sad that open skies with India is today a reality whereas open
skies with Ireland is not?"
Irish officials are concerned that if they do not act then the stopover
will simply be included in the wider deal leading to a sudden halt of
Shannon flights rather than a transition.
It is understood that following an informal meeting both sides have
agreed to proceed. However, the details remain to be nailed down but a
favoured formula is for a three-year transition period as the Commission
may baulk at a longer timeframe.
The agreement could include a gradual transition to one in three and
then one in four flights having to stop at Shannon.
Clare TD Tony Killeen admitted the only issue now for the Shannon region
is the nature and length of the phasing-in period.
"What we need is a guaranteed level of service rather than a promise
that one in three or one in four flights will stop here," he said. "If
some airline could fly daily to Shannon there should not be any
restrictions on the number of flights or destinations available from
Dublin."
However, not all local sources are in agreement. Limerick West Fianna
Fail TD Michael Collins said, "I am in favour of it as it is."
Liam Meade, a former Aer Rianta director and ex-GPA executive from
Limerick, said the reality is that Shannon's future is as a low-cost
base. "The past situation was a distortion of commerce and was simply
unsuitable. The stopover was simply a revenue generator built on a false
premise."
Some sources have said that Aer Lingus would baulk at open skies because
of the extra competition it would entail. However, an Aer Lingus source
said last night: "We need access to other US cities, we are going to see
more competition anyway.
"At the moment we are precluded from responding given that we are
limited to just four US cities as well as a charter to Orlando. US
carriers can already fly here from any US city. We welcome this
competition and need full open skies as soon as possible."
Last week former CEO Willie Walsh pointed out that the Shannon stopover
was directly responsible for the demise of the Baltimore service. He
added that he has yet to discuss plans for a low-cost transatlantic
carrier with his fellow former directors.
Sources close to Aer Lingus said that the airline would be pleased to
fly from Shannon if it were a low-cost airport and if it got its costs
down enough to do so. "We cannot operate on a non-profitable basis but
if Shannon can become low cost and we can get our business plan through,
there is no reason why not."
from Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> contains these words:
> >Does this still happen? I thought SNN was being bypassed on most
> >flights.?
> Half of US flights are required to stop at Shannon
I just came across this:
Source: Irish Independent
End to stopover flags new stable of direct US flights
Sunday February 13th 2005
JANE SUITER
EXCLUSIVE
THE Shannon stopover is to be phased out, allowing Aer Lingus to fly
directly to three new US destinations including San Francisco and
Philadelphia, the Sunday Independent can reveal.
Irish and US officials are close to a deal on the phasing out of the
controversial stopover and an announcement is expected soon.
A spokesman for Aer Lingus said the deal would allow flights from Dublin
to Orlando on a scheduled service, San Francisco and a destination in
the Washington metropolitan area such as Baltimore or Philadelphia. John
Byerly, US deputy assistant secretary for transportation affairs, last
week hinted that the stopover would have to go as part of US-EU
negotiations to open the skies.
"Fifteen out of 25 EU member states have bilateral open skies agreements
with us. Ireland is not one of them. Isn't it strange and, frankly,
isn't it sad that open skies with India is today a reality whereas open
skies with Ireland is not?"
Irish officials are concerned that if they do not act then the stopover
will simply be included in the wider deal leading to a sudden halt of
Shannon flights rather than a transition.
It is understood that following an informal meeting both sides have
agreed to proceed. However, the details remain to be nailed down but a
favoured formula is for a three-year transition period as the Commission
may baulk at a longer timeframe.
The agreement could include a gradual transition to one in three and
then one in four flights having to stop at Shannon.
Clare TD Tony Killeen admitted the only issue now for the Shannon region
is the nature and length of the phasing-in period.
"What we need is a guaranteed level of service rather than a promise
that one in three or one in four flights will stop here," he said. "If
some airline could fly daily to Shannon there should not be any
restrictions on the number of flights or destinations available from
Dublin."
However, not all local sources are in agreement. Limerick West Fianna
Fail TD Michael Collins said, "I am in favour of it as it is."
Liam Meade, a former Aer Rianta director and ex-GPA executive from
Limerick, said the reality is that Shannon's future is as a low-cost
base. "The past situation was a distortion of commerce and was simply
unsuitable. The stopover was simply a revenue generator built on a false
premise."
Some sources have said that Aer Lingus would baulk at open skies because
of the extra competition it would entail. However, an Aer Lingus source
said last night: "We need access to other US cities, we are going to see
more competition anyway.
"At the moment we are precluded from responding given that we are
limited to just four US cities as well as a charter to Orlando. US
carriers can already fly here from any US city. We welcome this
competition and need full open skies as soon as possible."
Last week former CEO Willie Walsh pointed out that the Shannon stopover
was directly responsible for the demise of the Baltimore service. He
added that he has yet to discuss plans for a low-cost transatlantic
carrier with his fellow former directors.
Sources close to Aer Lingus said that the airline would be pleased to
fly from Shannon if it were a low-cost airport and if it got its costs
down enough to do so. "We cannot operate on a non-profitable basis but
if Shannon can become low cost and we can get our business plan through,
there is no reason why not."
Feb 14th 2005, 6:53 am
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
fox1 wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:53:31 GMT, Cyrus Afzali <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> The one PITA about Ireland travel, and this has to do with the
>> open-skies agreement and not Aer Lingus in general, is many flights
>> from DUB to JFK get sent through SNN for a brief stop.
> Does this still happen? I thought SNN was being bypassed on most
> flights.?
It has been reduced and is likely to be reduced more in the future. The
Shannon area is concerned with the economic impact. It has been in the new
a lot lately (Irish news) and a number of schemes are on the table. There
was some more news about it within the last few days.
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> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:53:31 GMT, Cyrus Afzali <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> The one PITA about Ireland travel, and this has to do with the
>> open-skies agreement and not Aer Lingus in general, is many flights
>> from DUB to JFK get sent through SNN for a brief stop.
> Does this still happen? I thought SNN was being bypassed on most
> flights.?
It has been reduced and is likely to be reduced more in the future. The
Shannon area is concerned with the economic impact. It has been in the new
a lot lately (Irish news) and a number of schemes are on the table. There
was some more news about it within the last few days.
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26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
Feb 14th 2005, 7:28 am
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:53:42 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Does this still happen? I thought SNN was being bypassed on most
>> flights.?
> It has been reduced and is likely to be reduced more in the future. The
>Shannon area is concerned with the economic impact. It has been in the new
>a lot lately (Irish news) and a number of schemes are on the table. There
>was some more news about it within the last few days.
Thanks for that Joe. :-)
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Does this still happen? I thought SNN was being bypassed on most
>> flights.?
> It has been reduced and is likely to be reduced more in the future. The
>Shannon area is concerned with the economic impact. It has been in the new
>a lot lately (Irish news) and a number of schemes are on the table. There
>was some more news about it within the last few days.
Thanks for that Joe. :-)
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Feb 14th 2005, 8:02 am
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:14:33 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Miss L. Toe <[email protected]> wrote:
>> []
>> > Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy
>drinks
>> > in coach.
>> As a policy, or they just didn't have any?
>As a policy apparently (this was short haul DUB-LON)
Wonderful,..........! and that has to do with the quality of service
and what might be provided on flights to the USA which the original
poster asked about? Gawds Almighty.
And what pray be is Coach? Aer Lingus as far as I know only have 1st
Business and Economy for USA flights.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Miss L. Toe <[email protected]> wrote:
>> []
>> > Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy
>drinks
>> > in coach.
>> As a policy, or they just didn't have any?
>As a policy apparently (this was short haul DUB-LON)
Wonderful,..........! and that has to do with the quality of service
and what might be provided on flights to the USA which the original
poster asked about? Gawds Almighty.
And what pray be is Coach? Aer Lingus as far as I know only have 1st
Business and Economy for USA flights.
Feb 14th 2005, 8:53 am
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
Martin WY <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:14:33 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:1grzamo.68dx3qtcg1l6N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
>>> Miss L. Toe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> []
>>> > Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy
>>drinks
>>> > in coach.
>>> As a policy, or they just didn't have any?
>>As a policy apparently (this was short haul DUB-LON)
>Wonderful,..........! and that has to do with the quality of service
>and what might be provided on flights to the USA which the original
>poster asked about? Gawds Almighty.
I don't see that the header limits the scope of discussion. Nor does
the tradition of usenet. This group is not solely a Q&A service. Gawds
Almighty, we are even discussing my name in this thread!
And Aer Lingus is the same airline, whether you fly between New York
and Shannon or Dublin and London. Crew members can be assigned to any
route.
>And what pray be is Coach? Aer Lingus as far as I know only have 1st
>Business and Economy for USA flights.
A rose by any other name...
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>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:14:33 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:1grzamo.68dx3qtcg1l6N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
>>> Miss L. Toe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> []
>>> > Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy
>>drinks
>>> > in coach.
>>> As a policy, or they just didn't have any?
>>As a policy apparently (this was short haul DUB-LON)
>Wonderful,..........! and that has to do with the quality of service
>and what might be provided on flights to the USA which the original
>poster asked about? Gawds Almighty.
I don't see that the header limits the scope of discussion. Nor does
the tradition of usenet. This group is not solely a Q&A service. Gawds
Almighty, we are even discussing my name in this thread!
And Aer Lingus is the same airline, whether you fly between New York
and Shannon or Dublin and London. Crew members can be assigned to any
route.
>And what pray be is Coach? Aer Lingus as far as I know only have 1st
>Business and Economy for USA flights.
A rose by any other name...
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Feb 14th 2005, 9:28 am
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
No its not bad. But its not Virgin. It is on a par with American etc.
Mike
"Cyrus Afzali" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:21:59 -0500, "wundrun" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Everyone I've ever asked about Aer Lingus has had an awful story to tell.
>>This really surprised me. I'm planning a trip to Ireland and was thinking
>>of taking Aer Lingus from New York but now I'm rethinking that. Too many
>>stories about terrible service on board, terrible service at the airport,
>>terrible food, rude flight attendants (this really surprised me!). It's a
>>bit shocking, I always thought the Irish were friendly. Or at last that's
>>their reputation, since I've never been there. Is Aer Lingus that bad?
>>I'd
>>be interested to hear people's opinions here. Oh, and what does "Lingus"
>>mean?
> Aer Lingus' service is certainly no worse than you'll find on any
> domestic carrier. And you'll get fed and get amenities on Aer Lingus
> that are gone from U.S. carriers. I last flew them about a year ago
> and had a nice experience.
> The one PITA about Ireland travel, and this has to do with the
> open-skies agreement and not Aer Lingus in general, is many flights
> from DUB to JFK get sent through SNN for a brief stop.
Mike
"Cyrus Afzali" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:21:59 -0500, "wundrun" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Everyone I've ever asked about Aer Lingus has had an awful story to tell.
>>This really surprised me. I'm planning a trip to Ireland and was thinking
>>of taking Aer Lingus from New York but now I'm rethinking that. Too many
>>stories about terrible service on board, terrible service at the airport,
>>terrible food, rude flight attendants (this really surprised me!). It's a
>>bit shocking, I always thought the Irish were friendly. Or at last that's
>>their reputation, since I've never been there. Is Aer Lingus that bad?
>>I'd
>>be interested to hear people's opinions here. Oh, and what does "Lingus"
>>mean?
> Aer Lingus' service is certainly no worse than you'll find on any
> domestic carrier. And you'll get fed and get amenities on Aer Lingus
> that are gone from U.S. carriers. I last flew them about a year ago
> and had a nice experience.
> The one PITA about Ireland travel, and this has to do with the
> open-skies agreement and not Aer Lingus in general, is many flights
> from DUB to JFK get sent through SNN for a brief stop.
Feb 14th 2005, 9:33 am
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:37:03 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:
|> Aer Lingus' service is certainly no worse than you'll find on any
|> domestic carrier. And you'll get fed and get amenities on Aer Lingus
|> that are gone from U.S. carriers. I last flew them about a year ago
|> and had a nice experience.
|>
|
|Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy drinks
|in coach.
|
Aaarghh! No fizzy drinks? That's it then. I'll never fly with them
again.
I mean, there are limits to how much a weary traveller can take!
Cheers, Alan
<[email protected]> wrote:
|> Aer Lingus' service is certainly no worse than you'll find on any
|> domestic carrier. And you'll get fed and get amenities on Aer Lingus
|> that are gone from U.S. carriers. I last flew them about a year ago
|> and had a nice experience.
|>
|
|Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy drinks
|in coach.
|
Aaarghh! No fizzy drinks? That's it then. I'll never fly with them
again.
I mean, there are limits to how much a weary traveller can take!
Cheers, Alan
Feb 14th 2005, 9:46 am
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"Phred Bear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Whatever
Gawd, I love an intellectually disadvantaged fellow when he gives up
Such simplicity
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> Whatever
Gawd, I love an intellectually disadvantaged fellow when he gives up
Such simplicity
Feb 14th 2005, 7:07 pm
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:53:20 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin WY <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:14:33 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
>>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:1grzamo.68dx3qtcg1l6N%this_address_is_for_ [email protected]...
>>>> Miss L. Toe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> []
>>>> > Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy
>>>drinks
>>>> > in coach.
>>>> As a policy, or they just didn't have any?
>>>As a policy apparently (this was short haul DUB-LON)
>>Wonderful,..........! and that has to do with the quality of service
>>and what might be provided on flights to the USA which the original
>>poster asked about? Gawds Almighty.
>I don't see that the header limits the scope of discussion. Nor does
>the tradition of usenet. This group is not solely a Q&A service. Gawds
>Almighty, we are even discussing my name in this thread!
>And Aer Lingus is the same airline, whether you fly between New York
>and Shannon or Dublin and London. Crew members can be assigned to any
>route.
What? You mean Aer Lingus allows it's 737 pilots to jump in to a 330
and fly it to New York?
--==++AJC++==--
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin WY <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:14:33 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
>>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:1grzamo.68dx3qtcg1l6N%this_address_is_for_ [email protected]...
>>>> Miss L. Toe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> []
>>>> > Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy
>>>drinks
>>>> > in coach.
>>>> As a policy, or they just didn't have any?
>>>As a policy apparently (this was short haul DUB-LON)
>>Wonderful,..........! and that has to do with the quality of service
>>and what might be provided on flights to the USA which the original
>>poster asked about? Gawds Almighty.
>I don't see that the header limits the scope of discussion. Nor does
>the tradition of usenet. This group is not solely a Q&A service. Gawds
>Almighty, we are even discussing my name in this thread!
>And Aer Lingus is the same airline, whether you fly between New York
>and Shannon or Dublin and London. Crew members can be assigned to any
>route.
What? You mean Aer Lingus allows it's 737 pilots to jump in to a 330
and fly it to New York?
--==++AJC++==--
Feb 14th 2005, 7:09 pm
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:02:16 GMT, Martin WY <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:14:33 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:1grzamo.68dx3qtcg1l6N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
>>> Miss L. Toe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> []
>>> > Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy
>>drinks
>>> > in coach.
>>> As a policy, or they just didn't have any?
>>As a policy apparently (this was short haul DUB-LON)
>Wonderful,..........! and that has to do with the quality of service
>and what might be provided on flights to the USA which the original
>poster asked about? Gawds Almighty.
>And what pray be is Coach? Aer Lingus as far as I know only have 1st
>Business and Economy for USA flights.
Coach? Isn't that the vehicle used by some (predominantly Economy
class) passengers to get to the airport before boarding their flight?
--==++AJC++==--
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:14:33 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:1grzamo.68dx3qtcg1l6N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
>>> Miss L. Toe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> []
>>> > Last time I flew Aer Lingus (a year or two ago) they didn't do fizzy
>>drinks
>>> > in coach.
>>> As a policy, or they just didn't have any?
>>As a policy apparently (this was short haul DUB-LON)
>Wonderful,..........! and that has to do with the quality of service
>and what might be provided on flights to the USA which the original
>poster asked about? Gawds Almighty.
>And what pray be is Coach? Aer Lingus as far as I know only have 1st
>Business and Economy for USA flights.
Coach? Isn't that the vehicle used by some (predominantly Economy
class) passengers to get to the airport before boarding their flight?
--==++AJC++==--
Feb 14th 2005, 10:16 pm
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
AJC <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:53:20 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>And Aer Lingus is the same airline, whether you fly between New York
>>and Shannon or Dublin and London. Crew members can be assigned to any
>>route.
>What? You mean Aer Lingus allows it's 737 pilots to jump in to a 330
>and fly it to New York?
I don't think Aer Lingus has 737 pilots. I think they have about 540
of them...
The original question was about quality of service, and cabin crew are
switched between long-haul and short-haul routes.
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>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:53:20 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>And Aer Lingus is the same airline, whether you fly between New York
>>and Shannon or Dublin and London. Crew members can be assigned to any
>>route.
>What? You mean Aer Lingus allows it's 737 pilots to jump in to a 330
>and fly it to New York?
I don't think Aer Lingus has 737 pilots. I think they have about 540
of them...
The original question was about quality of service, and cabin crew are
switched between long-haul and short-haul routes.
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Feb 14th 2005, 11:05 pm
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
ScrÃobh Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]>:
>In Gaelic, the word "Breathnach" means "Brythonic". This is not the
>same as "British" in the modern sense. It is narrower in application,
>referring to Celtic people.
I beg to differ. Breatnach in modern Irish means either Welsh, or
British (as in 'from the island of Britain') depending on the context.
>Because the Irish have had far more
>interaction with the Welsh than with the other Brythonic peoples, it
>is often used simply to mean "Welsh". In fact, that is the common
>anglicisation of the name: Walsh or Welsh.
More than anglicisation, it is accurate translation.
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© Féachadóir
>In Gaelic, the word "Breathnach" means "Brythonic". This is not the
>same as "British" in the modern sense. It is narrower in application,
>referring to Celtic people.
I beg to differ. Breatnach in modern Irish means either Welsh, or
British (as in 'from the island of Britain') depending on the context.
>Because the Irish have had far more
>interaction with the Welsh than with the other Brythonic peoples, it
>is often used simply to mean "Welsh". In fact, that is the common
>anglicisation of the name: Walsh or Welsh.
More than anglicisation, it is accurate translation.
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© Féachadóir
Feb 14th 2005, 11:29 pm
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>ScrÃobh Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]>:
>>In Gaelic, the word "Breathnach" means "Brythonic". This is not the
>>same as "British" in the modern sense. It is narrower in application,
>>referring to Celtic people.
>I beg to differ. Breatnach in modern Irish means either Welsh, or
>British (as in 'from the island of Britain') depending on the context.
Differ away to your heart's content. I don't mind.
>>Because the Irish have had far more
>>interaction with the Welsh than with the other Brythonic peoples, it
>>is often used simply to mean "Welsh". In fact, that is the common
>>anglicisation of the name: Walsh or Welsh.
>More than anglicisation, it is accurate translation.
Depends.
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>ScrÃobh Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]>:
>>In Gaelic, the word "Breathnach" means "Brythonic". This is not the
>>same as "British" in the modern sense. It is narrower in application,
>>referring to Celtic people.
>I beg to differ. Breatnach in modern Irish means either Welsh, or
>British (as in 'from the island of Britain') depending on the context.
Differ away to your heart's content. I don't mind.
>>Because the Irish have had far more
>>interaction with the Welsh than with the other Brythonic peoples, it
>>is often used simply to mean "Welsh". In fact, that is the common
>>anglicisation of the name: Walsh or Welsh.
>More than anglicisation, it is accurate translation.
Depends.
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Feb 14th 2005, 11:57 pm
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Re: Why do Aer Lingus have such an awful reputation
"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> israel t <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> writes:
> >> It's not misspelled, its anglicised, just as words like Dublin, Cork,
> >> Limerick and Galway are...
> > How pathetic.
> > Around the world, people are deanglicising names Bombay became Mumbai,
> > Calcutta became Kolkatta and Madras became Chennai.
> That's not "around the world", that's India. And everyone I've talked to
in
> India about it thinks it's idiotic.
It's now BBC policy as well. They still call Munchen Munich and pronounce
Paris Parriss, not Parree.
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> israel t <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> writes:
> >> It's not misspelled, its anglicised, just as words like Dublin, Cork,
> >> Limerick and Galway are...
> > How pathetic.
> > Around the world, people are deanglicising names Bombay became Mumbai,
> > Calcutta became Kolkatta and Madras became Chennai.
> That's not "around the world", that's India. And everyone I've talked to
in
> India about it thinks it's idiotic.
It's now BBC policy as well. They still call Munchen Munich and pronounce
Paris Parriss, not Parree.
J/
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...8415/sr=1-1/re
f=sr_1_11_1/202-2692552-3159852
http://tinypic.com/1ic0f5
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
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