"We will offload your luggage" - how?
May 21st 2007, 12:12 am
#16
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On 21 mei, 13:05, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
> > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>
> > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
> > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
> > > > space at P3 !!
>
> > > > B;
>
> > > take the bus !! or train....
>
> > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
> > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
> > (and it always is).
>
> Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
polished floors.
B;
(*)) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
> > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>
> > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
> > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
> > > > space at P3 !!
>
> > > > B;
>
> > > take the bus !! or train....
>
> > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
> > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
> > (and it always is).
>
> Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
polished floors.
B;
May 21st 2007, 12:14 am
#17
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On 21 May, 12:58, [email protected] wrote:
> On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
> > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>
> > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
> > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
> > > space at P3 !!
>
> > > B;
>
> > take the bus !! or train....
>
> We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
> the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
> (and it always is).
>
> B;
....its a foul country
> On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
> > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>
> > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
> > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
> > > space at P3 !!
>
> > > B;
>
> > take the bus !! or train....
>
> We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
> the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
> (and it always is).
>
> B;
....its a foul country
May 21st 2007, 12:16 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On 21 May 2007 05:12:04 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>On 21 mei, 13:05, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>(*)) wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
>> > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>>
>> > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
>> > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
>> > > > space at P3 !!
>>
>> > > > B;
>>
>> > > take the bus !! or train....
>>
>> > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
>> > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
>> > (and it always is).
>>
>> Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
>
>Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
>nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
>the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
>bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
>doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
>polished floors.
I havern't owned a raincoat since I moved here. I've owned lots of boat
waterproofs.
--
Martin
>On 21 mei, 13:05, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>(*)) wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
>> > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>>
>> > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
>> > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
>> > > > space at P3 !!
>>
>> > > > B;
>>
>> > > take the bus !! or train....
>>
>> > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
>> > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
>> > (and it always is).
>>
>> Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
>
>Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
>nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
>the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
>bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
>doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
>polished floors.
I havern't owned a raincoat since I moved here. I've owned lots of boat
waterproofs.
--
Martin
May 21st 2007, 12:20 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 21 mei, 13:05, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
> > > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
> >
> > > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
> > > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
> > > > > space at P3 !!
> >
> > > > > B;
> >
> > > > take the bus !! or train....
> >
> > > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
> > > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
> > > (and it always is).
> >
> > Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
>
> Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
> nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
> the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
> bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
> doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
> polished floors.
It seems as if the whole of Portugal is beautifully paved with uneven
tiles which cause a bit of problems with luggage wheels. That said, mine
survived. I'm usually quite rough with luggage wheels, and generally
have good luck with purchases, though I have to say that brand and price
is not really an indicator of performance.
Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
darn easy...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On 21 mei, 13:05, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
> > > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
> >
> > > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
> > > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
> > > > > space at P3 !!
> >
> > > > > B;
> >
> > > > take the bus !! or train....
> >
> > > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
> > > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
> > > (and it always is).
> >
> > Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
>
> Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
> nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
> the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
> bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
> doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
> polished floors.
It seems as if the whole of Portugal is beautifully paved with uneven
tiles which cause a bit of problems with luggage wheels. That said, mine
survived. I'm usually quite rough with luggage wheels, and generally
have good luck with purchases, though I have to say that brand and price
is not really an indicator of performance.
Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
darn easy...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 21st 2007, 1:08 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On May 21, 1:33 am, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
> Listening to announcements at Schiphol at the weekend, I began to wonder
> - they threaten that if you're not at the gate pronto they'll off-load
> your luggage - but how? It seems to me that the airline has only the
> haziest idea of where your bags are at any given moment, so the idea of
> them quickly locating your suitcase in the plane hold and tossing it
> onto the tarmac seems a bit far-fetched.
>
> Or am I missing something.
Well, you're not exactly missing anything but it does kind of
paint the larger picture of what is going on. A relative of mine
works
in ground operations for a major airline. I was visiting with them
at the airport on my way over seas. I made some mention of
wanting to get to the gate as I understood that they closed the
gate for international flights earlier than domestic. He made the
comment that there was little worry. The airline would raise heaven
and earth to find me and put me on the plane as that would be
easier than finding my luggage and removing it.
The flip side I'm sure is that you've now marked oneself as
fairyl unpopular with the airline, with all the potential side effects
thereof.
> And while I'm at it - it's understandable that we should be encouraged
> to reduce our carry-on stuff, but doesn't that put a bit of an onus on
> the airlines to improve the way they handle bags, in speed, care, and
> security? I waited an hour for my bags last night, and the previous week
> they had managed to put a hole in a tough holdall. Doesn't much tempt me
> to trust my goodies to their care!
My impression, from the behavior of several "budget" airlines with
respect
to luggage is that they prefer you to "carry on" your luggage and
that they
have little incentive to do anything more than encourage that luggage
to be light weight.
> Listening to announcements at Schiphol at the weekend, I began to wonder
> - they threaten that if you're not at the gate pronto they'll off-load
> your luggage - but how? It seems to me that the airline has only the
> haziest idea of where your bags are at any given moment, so the idea of
> them quickly locating your suitcase in the plane hold and tossing it
> onto the tarmac seems a bit far-fetched.
>
> Or am I missing something.
Well, you're not exactly missing anything but it does kind of
paint the larger picture of what is going on. A relative of mine
works
in ground operations for a major airline. I was visiting with them
at the airport on my way over seas. I made some mention of
wanting to get to the gate as I understood that they closed the
gate for international flights earlier than domestic. He made the
comment that there was little worry. The airline would raise heaven
and earth to find me and put me on the plane as that would be
easier than finding my luggage and removing it.
The flip side I'm sure is that you've now marked oneself as
fairyl unpopular with the airline, with all the potential side effects
thereof.
> And while I'm at it - it's understandable that we should be encouraged
> to reduce our carry-on stuff, but doesn't that put a bit of an onus on
> the airlines to improve the way they handle bags, in speed, care, and
> security? I waited an hour for my bags last night, and the previous week
> they had managed to put a hole in a tough holdall. Doesn't much tempt me
> to trust my goodies to their care!
My impression, from the behavior of several "budget" airlines with
respect
to luggage is that they prefer you to "carry on" your luggage and
that they
have little incentive to do anything more than encourage that luggage
to be light weight.
May 21st 2007, 2:26 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 21 mei, 13:05, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> > (*)) wrote:
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
> > > > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>
> > > > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
> > > > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
> > > > > > space at P3 !!
>
> > > > > > B;
>
> > > > > take the bus !! or train....
>
> > > > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
> > > > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
> > > > (and it always is).
>
> > > Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
>
> > Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
> > nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
> > the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
> > bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
> > doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
> > polished floors.
>
> It seems as if the whole of Portugal is beautifully paved with uneven
> tiles which cause a bit of problems with luggage wheels. That said, mine
> survived. I'm usually quite rough with luggage wheels, and generally
> have good luck with purchases, though I have to say that brand and price
> is not really an indicator of performance.
>
> Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
> station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
> parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
> darn easy...
The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
awkward. The lowest stress alternative has proven to be driving, much
as that goes against my principles (to put it a bit pompously) and
notwithstanding the stupidity of P3 parking.
B;
(*)) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 21 mei, 13:05, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> > (*)) wrote:
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
> > > > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>
> > > > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
> > > > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
> > > > > > space at P3 !!
>
> > > > > > B;
>
> > > > > take the bus !! or train....
>
> > > > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
> > > > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
> > > > (and it always is).
>
> > > Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
>
> > Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
> > nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
> > the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
> > bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
> > doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
> > polished floors.
>
> It seems as if the whole of Portugal is beautifully paved with uneven
> tiles which cause a bit of problems with luggage wheels. That said, mine
> survived. I'm usually quite rough with luggage wheels, and generally
> have good luck with purchases, though I have to say that brand and price
> is not really an indicator of performance.
>
> Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
> station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
> parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
> darn easy...
The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
awkward. The lowest stress alternative has proven to be driving, much
as that goes against my principles (to put it a bit pompously) and
notwithstanding the stupidity of P3 parking.
B;
May 21st 2007, 2:35 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
[]
> > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
> > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
> > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
> > darn easy...
>
> The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
> is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
> I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
> awkward.
Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
distance without a complaint? I use minicabs in Manchester and Liverpool
quite a bit, and I've been impressed with their punctuality. The service
I use in Liverpool sends a text message when they're a couple of minutes
away.
Unless it's very early or late (when the trains only run to Piccadilly),
I usually get the train to the airport from Deansgate (5 minutes walk)
or Oxford Road (8 minutes.)
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
[]
> > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
> > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
> > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
> > darn easy...
>
> The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
> is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
> I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
> awkward.
Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
distance without a complaint? I use minicabs in Manchester and Liverpool
quite a bit, and I've been impressed with their punctuality. The service
I use in Liverpool sends a text message when they're a couple of minutes
away.
Unless it's very early or late (when the trains only run to Piccadilly),
I usually get the train to the airport from Deansgate (5 minutes walk)
or Oxford Road (8 minutes.)
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 21st 2007, 3:05 am
#23
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On 21 May 2007 07:26:10 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>(*)) wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On 21 mei, 13:05, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> > (*)) wrote:
>> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
>> > > > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>>
>> > > > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
>> > > > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
>> > > > > > space at P3 !!
>>
>> > > > > > B;
>>
>> > > > > take the bus !! or train....
>>
>> > > > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
>> > > > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
>> > > > (and it always is).
>>
>> > > Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
>>
>> > Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
>> > nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
>> > the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
>> > bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
>> > doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
>> > polished floors.
>>
>> It seems as if the whole of Portugal is beautifully paved with uneven
>> tiles which cause a bit of problems with luggage wheels. That said, mine
>> survived. I'm usually quite rough with luggage wheels, and generally
>> have good luck with purchases, though I have to say that brand and price
>> is not really an indicator of performance.
>>
>> Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
>> station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
>> parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
>> darn easy...
>
>The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
>is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
>I don't trust them to arrive on time
I frequently had Leiden taxis not turn up and had to use my car at the last
minute to get to Schiphol. Car to Schiphol about 20 minutes.
>), and far enough to make walking
>awkward. The lowest stress alternative has proven to be driving, much
>as that goes against my principles (to put it a bit pompously) and
>notwithstanding the stupidity of P3 parking.
and the stupidity of other A4 and A44 users
--
Martin
>On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>(*)) wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On 21 mei, 13:05, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> > (*)) wrote:
>> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > On 21 mei, 12:39, will tapper <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > > On 21 May, 11:34, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > On 21 mei, 11:22, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > I used to check my luggage in and then go and
>> > > > > > > park my car at Schiphol. I should have accepted their offer.
>>
>> > > > > > Parking at Schiphol - don't get me bloody started!! You have to allow
>> > > > > > the best part of an hour to cruise up and down the lanes looking for a
>> > > > > > space at P3 !!
>>
>> > > > > > B;
>>
>> > > > > take the bus !! or train....
>>
>> > > > We have done so in the past, but then we have to carry our luggage to
>> > > > the station, which is no fun if it's heavy luggage or foul weather
>> > > > (and it always is).
>>
>> > > Isn't that what luggage wheels and a raincoat are for?
>>
>> > Heh heh! Seriously - when it rains here it usually PISSES down in a
>> > nasty drenching way that is more extreme than the nice gentle stuff in
>> > the UK, and when I'm going on a trip to a hot place I don't want the
>> > bother of taking a full set of waterproofs with me; my luggage
>> > doesn't have wheels as they are usually rather awkward away from
>> > polished floors.
>>
>> It seems as if the whole of Portugal is beautifully paved with uneven
>> tiles which cause a bit of problems with luggage wheels. That said, mine
>> survived. I'm usually quite rough with luggage wheels, and generally
>> have good luck with purchases, though I have to say that brand and price
>> is not really an indicator of performance.
>>
>> Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
>> station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
>> parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
>> darn easy...
>
>The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
>is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
>I don't trust them to arrive on time
I frequently had Leiden taxis not turn up and had to use my car at the last
minute to get to Schiphol. Car to Schiphol about 20 minutes.
>), and far enough to make walking
>awkward. The lowest stress alternative has proven to be driving, much
>as that goes against my principles (to put it a bit pompously) and
>notwithstanding the stupidity of P3 parking.
and the stupidity of other A4 and A44 users
--
Martin
May 21st 2007, 3:33 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On May 21, 4:35 pm, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> > (*)) wrote:
> []
> > > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
> > > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
> > > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
> > > darn easy...
>
> > The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
> > is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
> > I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
> > awkward.
>
> Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
> walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
> or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
> distance without a complaint?
To walk to the station with the ladies of my family and get a train in
comfort I'd aim to leave half an hour before the train departure time.
The walk is about 20 mins. I do it myself but the wailing and moaning
from the others is too much to bear.
As Martin said, the risk with taxis is that they simply don't turn up.
B;
(*)) wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> > (*)) wrote:
> []
> > > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
> > > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
> > > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
> > > darn easy...
>
> > The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
> > is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
> > I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
> > awkward.
>
> Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
> walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
> or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
> distance without a complaint?
To walk to the station with the ladies of my family and get a train in
comfort I'd aim to leave half an hour before the train departure time.
The walk is about 20 mins. I do it myself but the wailing and moaning
from the others is too much to bear.
As Martin said, the risk with taxis is that they simply don't turn up.
B;
May 21st 2007, 4:00 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On 21 May 2007 08:33:19 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>On May 21, 4:35 pm, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>(*)) wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> > (*)) wrote:
>> []
>> > > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
>> > > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
>> > > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
>> > > darn easy...
>>
>> > The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
>> > is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
>> > I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
>> > awkward.
>>
>> Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
>> walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
>> or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
>> distance without a complaint?
>
>To walk to the station with the ladies of my family and get a train in
>comfort I'd aim to leave half an hour before the train departure time.
>The walk is about 20 mins. I do it myself but the wailing and moaning
>from the others is too much to bear.
>
>As Martin said, the risk with taxis is that they simply don't turn up.
Another risk seems to be that the driver hasn't a license, the taxi isn't
insured, the taxi isn't roadworthy ...
--
Martin
>On May 21, 4:35 pm, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>(*)) wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> > (*)) wrote:
>> []
>> > > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
>> > > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
>> > > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
>> > > darn easy...
>>
>> > The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
>> > is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
>> > I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
>> > awkward.
>>
>> Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
>> walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
>> or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
>> distance without a complaint?
>
>To walk to the station with the ladies of my family and get a train in
>comfort I'd aim to leave half an hour before the train departure time.
>The walk is about 20 mins. I do it myself but the wailing and moaning
>from the others is too much to bear.
>
>As Martin said, the risk with taxis is that they simply don't turn up.
Another risk seems to be that the driver hasn't a license, the taxi isn't
insured, the taxi isn't roadworthy ...
--
Martin
May 21st 2007, 4:05 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On 21 May 2007 06:08:06 -0700, me <[email protected]> wrote:
>On May 21, 1:33 am, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
>> Listening to announcements at Schiphol at the weekend, I began to wonder
>> - they threaten that if you're not at the gate pronto they'll off-load
>> your luggage - but how? It seems to me that the airline has only the
>> haziest idea of where your bags are at any given moment, so the idea of
>> them quickly locating your suitcase in the plane hold and tossing it
>> onto the tarmac seems a bit far-fetched.
>>
>> Or am I missing something.
>
> Well, you're not exactly missing anything but it does kind of
>paint the larger picture of what is going on. A relative of mine
>works
>in ground operations for a major airline. I was visiting with them
>at the airport on my way over seas. I made some mention of
>wanting to get to the gate as I understood that they closed the
>gate for international flights earlier than domestic. He made the
>comment that there was little worry. The airline would raise heaven
>and earth to find me and put me on the plane as that would be
>easier than finding my luggage and removing it.
>
> The flip side I'm sure is that you've now marked oneself as
>fairyl unpopular with the airline, with all the potential side effects
>thereof.
The mark of any regular business class KLM customer.
The management of KLM don't give a flying XXXX about passengers opinions or bad
publicity.
A group by coincidence calling itself KLM, representing tall Dutch people (males
over 190cm and females over 180 cm) was refused a meeting with KLM management to
discuss surcharging for more leg room. There are 850,000 tall people in the
Netherlands.
--
Martin
>On May 21, 1:33 am, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
>> Listening to announcements at Schiphol at the weekend, I began to wonder
>> - they threaten that if you're not at the gate pronto they'll off-load
>> your luggage - but how? It seems to me that the airline has only the
>> haziest idea of where your bags are at any given moment, so the idea of
>> them quickly locating your suitcase in the plane hold and tossing it
>> onto the tarmac seems a bit far-fetched.
>>
>> Or am I missing something.
>
> Well, you're not exactly missing anything but it does kind of
>paint the larger picture of what is going on. A relative of mine
>works
>in ground operations for a major airline. I was visiting with them
>at the airport on my way over seas. I made some mention of
>wanting to get to the gate as I understood that they closed the
>gate for international flights earlier than domestic. He made the
>comment that there was little worry. The airline would raise heaven
>and earth to find me and put me on the plane as that would be
>easier than finding my luggage and removing it.
>
> The flip side I'm sure is that you've now marked oneself as
>fairyl unpopular with the airline, with all the potential side effects
>thereof.
The mark of any regular business class KLM customer.
The management of KLM don't give a flying XXXX about passengers opinions or bad
publicity.
A group by coincidence calling itself KLM, representing tall Dutch people (males
over 190cm and females over 180 cm) was refused a meeting with KLM management to
discuss surcharging for more leg room. There are 850,000 tall people in the
Netherlands.
--
Martin
May 21st 2007, 5:11 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 21, 4:35 pm, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> > > (*)) wrote:
> > []
> > > > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
> > > > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
> > > > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
> > > > darn easy...
> >
> > > The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
> > > is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
> > > I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
> > > awkward.
> >
> > Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
> > walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
> > or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
> > distance without a complaint?
>
> To walk to the station with the ladies of my family and get a train in
> comfort I'd aim to leave half an hour before the train departure time.
> The walk is about 20 mins. I do it myself but the wailing and moaning
> from the others is too much to bear.
It doesn't just rain for you in NL, it really pours, doesn't it!?
Martin, you'll be delighted to know that the Dutch food stalls are back,
selling cheese and stuff. We had some little pancakes from a stall at
the weekend, and they were too doughy. (They were fine last year at the
Xmas market.) It's not just Dutch, more of a mix of stuff.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On May 21, 4:35 pm, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> > > (*)) wrote:
> > []
> > > > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
> > > > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
> > > > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
> > > > darn easy...
> >
> > > The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
> > > is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
> > > I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
> > > awkward.
> >
> > Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
> > walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
> > or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
> > distance without a complaint?
>
> To walk to the station with the ladies of my family and get a train in
> comfort I'd aim to leave half an hour before the train departure time.
> The walk is about 20 mins. I do it myself but the wailing and moaning
> from the others is too much to bear.
It doesn't just rain for you in NL, it really pours, doesn't it!?
Martin, you'll be delighted to know that the Dutch food stalls are back,
selling cheese and stuff. We had some little pancakes from a stall at
the weekend, and they were too doughy. (They were fine last year at the
Xmas market.) It's not just Dutch, more of a mix of stuff.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 21st 2007, 5:17 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:11:24 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On May 21, 4:35 pm, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> (*)) wrote:
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> > > (*)) wrote:
>> > []
>> > > > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
>> > > > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
>> > > > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
>> > > > darn easy...
>> >
>> > > The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
>> > > is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
>> > > I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
>> > > awkward.
>> >
>> > Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
>> > walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
>> > or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
>> > distance without a complaint?
>>
>> To walk to the station with the ladies of my family and get a train in
>> comfort I'd aim to leave half an hour before the train departure time.
>> The walk is about 20 mins. I do it myself but the wailing and moaning
>> from the others is too much to bear.
>
>It doesn't just rain for you in NL, it really pours, doesn't it!?
Always. Usually horizontally too.
Just before Easter I stood at the top of the hill in Egton N Yorkshire and was
surprised to find that the rain and hail was arriving with the same intensity as
in NL, but from a point 30 degrees below the horizon.
>
>Martin, you'll be delighted to know that the Dutch food stalls are back,
>selling cheese and stuff. We had some little pancakes from a stall at
>the weekend, and they were too doughy. (They were fine last year at the
>Xmas market.) It's not just Dutch, more of a mix of stuff.
My son spent the weekend in Manchester, now I know why :-)
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On May 21, 4:35 pm, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> (*)) wrote:
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > On 21 mei, 14:20, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> > > (*)) wrote:
>> > []
>> > > > Back to the airport, even in bad weather, wouldn't a taxi to the train
>> > > > station etc. work out cheaper/easier than driving and parking, or maybe
>> > > > parking charges aren't so bad there? The train at Schiphol just seems so
>> > > > darn easy...
>> >
>> > > The train at Schiphol is easy, but from Den Haag Centraal to my house
>> > > is so close that taxis would not like to do the trip (and in any case
>> > > I don't trust them to arrive on time), and far enough to make walking
>> > > awkward.
>> >
>> > Oh, OK. How far away are you- out of interest? I'm a 15 minute _brisk_
>> > walk from Piccadilly Station (20 minutes taking my time), but taxis to
>> > or from there aren't a problem. So, Dutch taxis as a rule won't go that
>> > distance without a complaint?
>>
>> To walk to the station with the ladies of my family and get a train in
>> comfort I'd aim to leave half an hour before the train departure time.
>> The walk is about 20 mins. I do it myself but the wailing and moaning
>> from the others is too much to bear.
>
>It doesn't just rain for you in NL, it really pours, doesn't it!?
Always. Usually horizontally too.
Just before Easter I stood at the top of the hill in Egton N Yorkshire and was
surprised to find that the rain and hail was arriving with the same intensity as
in NL, but from a point 30 degrees below the horizon.
>
>Martin, you'll be delighted to know that the Dutch food stalls are back,
>selling cheese and stuff. We had some little pancakes from a stall at
>the weekend, and they were too doughy. (They were fine last year at the
>Xmas market.) It's not just Dutch, more of a mix of stuff.
My son spent the weekend in Manchester, now I know why :-)
--
Martin
May 21st 2007, 5:25 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
"Du Lac, Alexandre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> On 21 May, 09:32, "nightjar" <nightjar@<insert my surname
> here>.uk.com> wrote:
>> "Mister Bartlett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1hygcry.1m606vs12lkoxwN%[email protected]...
>>
>> > Listening to announcements at Schiphol at the weekend, I began to
>> > wonder
>> > - they threaten that if you're not at the gate pronto they'll off-load
>> > your luggage - but how? ...
>>
>> The aircraft gets delayed, the baggage hold is opened and the baggage is
>> sorted through until they find the right bags. At one north African
>> airport,
>> where that happened to a flight I was on, the bags were lined up on the
>> tarmac and the passengers had to pick their own bags up and move them to
>> a
>> different area.
>>
>> Colin Bignell
>
> I think they knew which container it is in
You fly different airlines to me.
The ones I fly with just get the ramp staff to throw the bags
into the hold higgledypiggledy.
And I have once watched them offload a bag from the ramp
next to mine. It took a good 25 minutes for them to find it.
tim
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> On 21 May, 09:32, "nightjar" <nightjar@<insert my surname
> here>.uk.com> wrote:
>> "Mister Bartlett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1hygcry.1m606vs12lkoxwN%[email protected]...
>>
>> > Listening to announcements at Schiphol at the weekend, I began to
>> > wonder
>> > - they threaten that if you're not at the gate pronto they'll off-load
>> > your luggage - but how? ...
>>
>> The aircraft gets delayed, the baggage hold is opened and the baggage is
>> sorted through until they find the right bags. At one north African
>> airport,
>> where that happened to a flight I was on, the bags were lined up on the
>> tarmac and the passengers had to pick their own bags up and move them to
>> a
>> different area.
>>
>> Colin Bignell
>
> I think they knew which container it is in
You fly different airlines to me.
The ones I fly with just get the ramp staff to throw the bags
into the hold higgledypiggledy.
And I have once watched them offload a bag from the ramp
next to mine. It took a good 25 minutes for them to find it.
tim
May 21st 2007, 5:44 am
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Re: "We will offload your luggage" - how?
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
> Martin, you'll be delighted to know that the Dutch food stalls are back,
> selling cheese and stuff. We had some little pancakes from a stall at
> the weekend, and they were too doughy.
Poffertjes? My niece likes them, so I take her bottles of ready mix.
B;
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> Martin, you'll be delighted to know that the Dutch food stalls are back,
> selling cheese and stuff. We had some little pancakes from a stall at
> the weekend, and they were too doughy.
Poffertjes? My niece likes them, so I take her bottles of ready mix.
B;
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