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Old Feb 1st 2007, 3:07 am
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Earl Evleth
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Personally, I think it very likely but big storm
formation is a complex issue. I guess this could
be taken as the consensus view now. The real problem
is that mankind is unlikely to be able to organize
itself globally to combat global warming.

Whatever, the Democrats should select Al Gore again
for its Presidential candidate. He is one of the
few politicians who has any credibility in this area.
If that occurs and he were elected the US and Europe
could generate together policies which might have an impact.

*****


Warming linked to stronger hurricanes



By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science

Global warming has made stronger hurricanes, including those in the Atlantic
such as Katrina, an authoritative panel on climate change has concluded for
the first time, participants in the deliberations said Thursday.

During marathon meetings in Paris, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change approved language that said an increase in hurricane and tropical
cyclone strength since 1970 "more likely than not" can be attributed to
man-made global warming, according to Leonard Fields of Barbados and Cedric
Nelom of Surinam.

In its last report in 2001, the same panel had said there was not enough
evidence to make such a conclusion.

"It is very important" that the language is so strong this time, said
Fields, whose country is on the path of many hurricanes. "Insurance
companies watch the language, too."

The panel did note that the increase in stronger storms differs in various
parts of the globe, but that the storms that strike the Americas are global
warming-influenced, according to another participant.

Fields said that the report notes that most of the changes have been seen in
the North Atlantic.

The report ? scheduled to be released Friday morning ? is also a marked
departure from a November 2006 statement by the World Meteorological
Organization, which helped found the IPPC.

The meteorological organization, after contentious debate, said it could not
link past stronger storms to global warming. The debate about whether
stronger hurricanes can be linked to global warming has been dividing a
scientific community that is otherwise largely united in agreeing that
global warming is human-made and a problem.

Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Kerry Emanuel, who pioneered
much of the research linking global warming to an uptick in hurricane
strength, looked at the original language in an IPCC draft and called it "a
pretty strong statement."

"I think we've seen a pretty clear signal in the Atlantic," Emanuel said.
The increase in Atlantic hurricane strength "is so beautifully correlated
with sea surface there can't be much doubt that there's a relationship with
sea surface temperature."

But U.S. National Hurricane Center scientist Christopher Landsea has long
disagreed with that premise. While he would not comment on the IPCC
decision, Landsea pointed to the meteorological organization's statement
last fall.

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Old Feb 1st 2007, 5:49 am
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The 2006 season didn't see a single hurricane make landfall in the US.
For that matter, I can't remember any hurricanes forming in that usual
area at all.
 
Old Feb 1st 2007, 5:55 am
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Earl Evleth
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On 1/02/07 19:49, in article [email protected],
"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:

> The 2006 season didn't see a single hurricane make landfall in the US.
> For that matter, I can't remember any hurricanes forming in that usual
> area at all.


You obviously weren't following the storm activity in the Pacific.
They are called Typhoons there. Believe it or not!
 
Old Feb 1st 2007, 6:46 am
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Runge
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Of course there are some plonkers who do not plonk that kind of stuff.
You know, evleth, you are going to get an abuse one day and you'll come back
whining as you did not so long ago...
Old cretin, even donovan is brighter than you.
Morrow, no, can't say that of him.



"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
C1E7CEB6.CF44E%[email protected]...
> Personally, I think it very likely but big storm
> formation is a complex issue. I guess this could
> be taken as the consensus view now. The real problem
> is that mankind is unlikely to be able to organize
> itself globally to combat global warming.
>
> Whatever, the Democrats should select Al Gore again
> for its Presidential candidate. He is one of the
> few politicians who has any credibility in this area.
> If that occurs and he were elected the US and Europe
> could generate together policies which might have an impact.
>
> *****
>
>
> Warming linked to stronger hurricanes
>
>
>
> By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science
>
> Global warming has made stronger hurricanes, including those in the
> Atlantic
> such as Katrina, an authoritative panel on climate change has concluded
> for
> the first time, participants in the deliberations said Thursday.
>
> During marathon meetings in Paris, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
> Change approved language that said an increase in hurricane and tropical
> cyclone strength since 1970 "more likely than not" can be attributed to
> man-made global warming, according to Leonard Fields of Barbados and
> Cedric
> Nelom of Surinam.
>
> In its last report in 2001, the same panel had said there was not enough
> evidence to make such a conclusion.
>
> "It is very important" that the language is so strong this time, said
> Fields, whose country is on the path of many hurricanes. "Insurance
> companies watch the language, too."
>
> The panel did note that the increase in stronger storms differs in various
> parts of the globe, but that the storms that strike the Americas are
> global
> warming-influenced, according to another participant.
>
> Fields said that the report notes that most of the changes have been seen
> in
> the North Atlantic.
>
> The report < scheduled to be released Friday morning < is also a marked
> departure from a November 2006 statement by the World Meteorological
> Organization, which helped found the IPPC.
>
> The meteorological organization, after contentious debate, said it could
> not
> link past stronger storms to global warming. The debate about whether
> stronger hurricanes can be linked to global warming has been dividing a
> scientific community that is otherwise largely united in agreeing that
> global warming is human-made and a problem.
>
> Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Kerry Emanuel, who
> pioneered
> much of the research linking global warming to an uptick in hurricane
> strength, looked at the original language in an IPCC draft and called it
> "a
> pretty strong statement."
>
> "I think we've seen a pretty clear signal in the Atlantic," Emanuel said.
> The increase in Atlantic hurricane strength "is so beautifully correlated
> with sea surface there can't be much doubt that there's a relationship
> with
> sea surface temperature."
>
> But U.S. National Hurricane Center scientist Christopher Landsea has long
> disagreed with that premise. While he would not comment on the IPCC
> decision, Landsea pointed to the meteorological organization's statement
> last fall.
>
> Copyright © 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The
> information
> contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten
> or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated
> Press.
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Old Feb 1st 2007, 6:46 am
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Runge
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Pauvre vieux débris

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
C1E7F627.CF4B3%[email protected]...
> On 1/02/07 19:49, in article [email protected],
> "Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The 2006 season didn't see a single hurricane make landfall in the US.
>> For that matter, I can't remember any hurricanes forming in that usual
>> area at all.
>
>
> You obviously weren't following the storm activity in the Pacific.
> They are called Typhoons there. Believe it or not!
>
 
Old Feb 1st 2007, 8:21 am
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-Viking
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:55:19 +0100, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 1/02/07 19:49, in article [email protected],
>"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The 2006 season didn't see a single hurricane make landfall in the US.
>> For that matter, I can't remember any hurricanes forming in that usual
>> area at all.
>
>You obviously weren't following the storm activity in the Pacific.
>They are called Typhoons there. Believe it or not!

Title of your post: "Warming linked to stronger hurricanes"
 
Old Feb 1st 2007, 11:34 pm
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Earl Evleth
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On 1/02/07 22:21, in article [email protected],
"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Title of your post: "Warming linked to stronger hurricanes"

Typhoon is what they call hurricanes in the western pacific! :-)

From http://www.answers.com/topic/hurricane

"Hurricane

"A tropical cyclone whose maximum sustained winds reach or exceed a
threshold of 119 km/h (74 mi/h). In the western North Pacific ocean it is
known as a typhoon."


Basically "hurricanes by any other name will blow the same"

Glad to be of assistance.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 1:14 am
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Earl Evleth
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On 2/02/07 13:34, in article C1E8EE56.CF5FE%[email protected], "Earl Evleth"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On 1/02/07 22:21, in article [email protected],
> "Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Title of your post: "Warming linked to stronger hurricanes"
>
> Typhoon is what they call hurricanes in the western pacific! :-)
>
> From http://www.answers.com/topic/hurricane
>
> "Hurricane
>
> "A tropical cyclone whose maximum sustained winds reach or exceed a
> threshold of 119 km/h (74 mi/h). In the western North Pacific ocean it is
> known as a typhoon."
>
>
> Basically "hurricanes by any other name will blow the same"
>
> Glad to be of assistance.

Here is an update, today, and it ain't even hurricane season.



Severe thunderstorms kill 2 in Florida

By JIM ELLIS, Associated Press Writer

Severe thunderstorms tore through central Florida early Friday, destroying
mobile homes, lifting a tractor-trailer into the air and killing at least
two people, authorities said.

Officials were determining whether tornadoes touched down, and tornado
warnings issued around midnight remained in effect.

Lake County sheriff's spokeswoman Christie Mysinger confirmed the deaths to
WKMG-TV but did not say how they occurred. She did not immediately return
phone messages left by The Associated Press.

Mike Turner, a technician with the National Weather Service in Melbourne,
said it appeared at least one fatality occurred in the Lady Lake area, which
is about 50 miles northwest of Orlando.

Dozens of mobile homes near Lady Lake were destroyed. Chairs, beds and
clothes were strewn about yards, and debris hung from trees. Some homes were
tossed from their foundations, while others had their roofs ripped off.

The storms moved across Sumter and Lake counties around 3:15 a.m., then
moved to Volusia County, said Peggy Glitto, a weather service meteorologist.

"Radar indicated that there were tornadoes, but we're going to send someone
out to assess the damage and should know more this afternoon," Glitto said.

At least five crashes took place within a quarter mile of each other near
Interstate 4's New Smyrna Beach exit, closing the highway for about three
hours.

The most serious was a semitrailer that was lifted up and landed on another
semi, pinning the driver in his cab, said Kim Miller, a spokeswoman with the
Florida Highway Patrol. The driver did not suffer life-threatening injuries,
she said.

About 20,000 customers were without power across a wide swath of central
Florida, Progress Energy spokeswoman Cherie Jacobs said.

Florida Power & Light reported about 200 customers without power in the
DeLand area.

The state Emergency Operations Center was activated, said Mike Stone,
spokesman at the state's Department of Emergency Management.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 3:23 am
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-Viking
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:34:14 +0100, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 1/02/07 22:21, in article [email protected],
>"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Title of your post: "Warming linked to stronger hurricanes"
>
>Typhoon is what they call hurricanes in the western pacific! :-)
>
>From http://www.answers.com/topic/hurricane
>
>"Hurricane
>
>"A tropical cyclone whose maximum sustained winds reach or exceed a
>threshold of 119 km/h (74 mi/h). In the western North Pacific ocean it is
>known as a typhoon."

Uh, yeah, I know, having lived in Hong Kong for a year, and having
been familar with that fact long before.

Shall we drop this? I don't want to argue with you over some trivial
point. (Bet no one ever thought they'd read THAT sentence on
usenet...)
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 3:25 am
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-Viking
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As long as records have been kept, tornadoes have been doing that. I
have visited the southern US regularly in the past, and there is
always the threat of tornadoes. Your connection with global warming is
what?
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 3:53 am
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Earl Evleth
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On 2/02/07 17:23, in article [email protected],
"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Shall we drop this? I don't want to argue with you over some trivial
> point. (Bet no one ever thought they'd read THAT sentence on
> usenet...)
>


That is what internet arguments are all about, trivial things!

I call them "sandbox" fights between old kids.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 3:57 am
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Earl Evleth
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On 2/02/07 17:25, in article [email protected],
"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:

> As long as records have been kept, tornadoes have been doing that. I
> have visited the southern US regularly in the past, and there is
> always the threat of tornadoes. Your connection with global warming is
> what?


Stormy weather is increasing. More heat, more thermal energy to power
them. Any model would come up with that conclusion.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 5:19 am
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-Viking
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:57:37 +0100, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 2/02/07 17:25, in article [email protected],
>"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> As long as records have been kept, tornadoes have been doing that. I
>> have visited the southern US regularly in the past, and there is
>> always the threat of tornadoes. Your connection with global warming is
>> what?
>
>Stormy weather is increasing. More heat, more thermal energy to power
>them. Any model would come up with that conclusion.

I am purposely going to resist the usenet temptation to say PROVE that
there are more tornadoes than before. Not hurricanes, not typhoons,
just what's under discussion here--tornadoes.

But I'm not going to ask you to prove it. I am more or less
sympathetic to the idea of global warming anyway, so let's just drop
it, shall we?
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 5:20 am
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-Viking
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:53:52 +0100, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 2/02/07 17:23, in article [email protected],
>"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Shall we drop this? I don't want to argue with you over some trivial
>> point. (Bet no one ever thought they'd read THAT sentence on
>> usenet...)
>>
>
>That is what internet arguments are all about, trivial things!

Uh, yeah, that's what my (sarcastic) point was.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 6:43 am
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Earl Evleth wrote:

> On 2/02/07 17:23, in article [email protected],
> "Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Shall we drop this? I don't want to argue with you over some trivial
>>point. (Bet no one ever thought they'd read THAT sentence on
>>usenet...)
>>
>
>
>
> That is what internet arguments are all about, trivial things!

Well, global warming is hardly "trivial"! (But what we say
here is highly unlikely to have any effect in the larger
world of non-cyberspace.)
 


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