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Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions

Old Jan 22nd 2007, 2:21 am
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245478,00.html

Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions

Think of the most crime-ridden place on Earth and what comes to mind:
Sao Paulo, Brazil? Lagos, Nigeria? The Bronx, New York?

Try the Vatican. The small nation-city ruled by Pope Benedict XVI
apparently sees more criminal cases per capita than any other part of
the world, the German magazine Spiegel reports.

That's according to statistics released by the Vatican's attorney
general, Nicola Picardi.

In 2006, the tiny nation's justice department had to contend with 341
civil and 486 criminal cases. With a population of 492, that measures
out to 1.5 cases per person 20 times the corresponding rate in Italy.

Another surprising statistic about the rampant crime in the Vatican is
that it exists despite a security force that would put a police state
to shame. The seat of the Catholic Church has one Swiss guard for
every four citizens, plus museum guards and police assigned to the
Vatican by the Italian government.

Picardi said most criminal cases were matters of purse-snatching or
pickpocketing. The rest amounted to other petty crimes like fraud and
forgery, committed by a handful of the 18 million pilgrims and
tourists who visit St. Peter's Cathedral, St. Peter's Square and the
Vatican museums every year.

According to the Vatican, about 90 percent of these crimes go
unpunished because it is easy for the perpetrators to slip across the
border into Italy, which is just a few yards away.

Even if it were able to catch and prosecute every pickpocket, the
Vatican would have to send them to Italy to serve out their sentences,
since it has no prison system.
 
Old Jan 23rd 2007, 1:05 am
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Viking a �crit :
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245478,00.html
>
> Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions
>
> Think of the most crime-ridden place on Earth and what comes to mind:
> Sao Paulo, Brazil? Lagos, Nigeria? The Bronx, New York?
>
> Try the Vatican. The small nation-city ruled by Pope Benedict XVI
> apparently sees more criminal cases per capita than any other part of
> the world, the German magazine Spiegel reports.
>
> That's according to statistics released by the Vatican's attorney
> general, Nicola Picardi.
>
> In 2006, the tiny nation's justice department had to contend with 341
> civil and 486 criminal cases. With a population of 492, that measures
> out to 1.5 cases per person 20 times the corresponding rate in Italy.
>
> Another surprising statistic about the rampant crime in the Vatican is
> that it exists despite a security force that would put a police state
> to shame. The seat of the Catholic Church has one Swiss guard for
> every four citizens, plus museum guards and police assigned to the
> Vatican by the Italian government.
>
> Picardi said most criminal cases were matters of purse-snatching or
> pickpocketing. The rest amounted to other petty crimes like fraud and
> forgery, committed by a handful of the 18 million pilgrims and
> tourists who visit St. Peter's Cathedral, St. Peter's Square and the
> Vatican museums every year.
>
> According to the Vatican, about 90 percent of these crimes go
> unpunished because it is easy for the perpetrators to slip across the
> border into Italy, which is just a few yards away.
>
> Even if it were able to catch and prosecute every pickpocket, the
> Vatican would have to send them to Italy to serve out their sentences,
> since it has no prison system.

Relating the number of crimes or the number of police to a population
�f 492 is absurd.
Like in any tourist resort, most crimes are committed by some of the 18
million visitors.
How many hotel rooms in Vatican ?
How many "citizens" actually spend the night in vatican state ?
 
Old Jan 23rd 2007, 1:30 am
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Viking wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245478,00.html
>
> Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions

If it's on Fox it must be true.
 
Old Jan 23rd 2007, 1:46 am
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:21:29 -0500, Viking <[email protected]>
wrote:

>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245478,00.html
>
>Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions
>
>Think of the most crime-ridden place on Earth and what comes to mind:
>Sao Paulo, Brazil? Lagos, Nigeria? The Bronx, New York?
>
>Try the Vatican. The small nation-city ruled by Pope Benedict XVI
>apparently sees more criminal cases per capita than any other part of
>the world, the German magazine Spiegel reports.

A country that consists entirely of one large city is always going to
have a really high crime rate. In most other countries, the high urban
crime rate is balanced by a low rural crime rate.

Add the fact that the number of people in Vatican City on any given
day is far greater than the number of citizens. Per capita crime rate
means nothing in these circumstances. What you would want is the crime
rate per warm body on the streets.
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Old Jan 23rd 2007, 3:45 am
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:46:32 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:21:29 -0500, Viking <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245478,00.html
>>
>>Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions
>>
>>Think of the most crime-ridden place on Earth and what comes to mind:
>>Sao Paulo, Brazil? Lagos, Nigeria? The Bronx, New York?
>>
>>Try the Vatican. The small nation-city ruled by Pope Benedict XVI
>>apparently sees more criminal cases per capita than any other part of
>>the world, the German magazine Spiegel reports.
>
>A country that consists entirely of one large city is always going to
>have a really high crime rate. In most other countries, the high urban
>crime rate is balanced by a low rural crime rate.
>
>Add the fact that the number of people in Vatican City on any given
>day is far greater than the number of citizens. Per capita crime rate
>means nothing in these circumstances. What you would want is the crime
>rate per warm body on the streets.

That's really the point--it's not the citizens causing all the crime,
it's the tourists. Nonetheless, 1.5 crimes per resident per year means
I wouldn't want to live there, and in that sense, per capita crime
rate is very important.
 
Old Jan 23rd 2007, 4:07 am
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On 23 Jan 2007 06:05:19 -0800, "kodok" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Viking a �crit :
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245478,00.html
>>
>> Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions
>>
>> Think of the most crime-ridden place on Earth and what comes to mind:
>> Sao Paulo, Brazil? Lagos, Nigeria? The Bronx, New York?
>>
>> Try the Vatican. The small nation-city ruled by Pope Benedict XVI
>> apparently sees more criminal cases per capita than any other part of
>> the world, the German magazine Spiegel reports.
>>
>> That's according to statistics released by the Vatican's attorney
>> general, Nicola Picardi.
>>
>> In 2006, the tiny nation's justice department had to contend with 341
>> civil and 486 criminal cases. With a population of 492, that measures
>> out to 1.5 cases per person 20 times the corresponding rate in Italy.
>>
>> Another surprising statistic about the rampant crime in the Vatican is
>> that it exists despite a security force that would put a police state
>> to shame. The seat of the Catholic Church has one Swiss guard for
>> every four citizens, plus museum guards and police assigned to the
>> Vatican by the Italian government.
>>
>> Picardi said most criminal cases were matters of purse-snatching or
>> pickpocketing. The rest amounted to other petty crimes like fraud and
>> forgery, committed by a handful of the 18 million pilgrims and
>> tourists who visit St. Peter's Cathedral, St. Peter's Square and the
>> Vatican museums every year.
>>
>> According to the Vatican, about 90 percent of these crimes go
>> unpunished because it is easy for the perpetrators to slip across the
>> border into Italy, which is just a few yards away.
>>
>> Even if it were able to catch and prosecute every pickpocket, the
>> Vatican would have to send them to Italy to serve out their sentences,
>> since it has no prison system.
>
>Relating the number of crimes or the number of police to a population
>�f 492 is absurd.
>Like in any tourist resort, most crimes are committed by some of the 18
>million visitors.
>How many hotel rooms in Vatican ?
>How many "citizens" actually spend the night in vatican state ?

How many cardinals, archbishops, canons, monsignors, priests, monks and nuns?
Maybe they need missionaries to help them.
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Old Jan 23rd 2007, 4:10 am
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:30:06 +0000, Mike O'Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:

>Viking wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245478,00.html
>>
>> Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions
>
>If it's on Fox it must be true.

Oh ye of little faith!
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Old Jan 23rd 2007, 8:48 am
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Viking wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:46:32 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:21:29 -0500, Viking <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245478,00.html
>>>
>>>Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions
>>>
>>>Think of the most crime-ridden place on Earth and what comes to mind:
>>>Sao Paulo, Brazil? Lagos, Nigeria? The Bronx, New York?
>>>
>>>Try the Vatican. The small nation-city ruled by Pope Benedict XVI
>>>apparently sees more criminal cases per capita than any other part of
>>>the world, the German magazine Spiegel reports.
>>
>>A country that consists entirely of one large city is always going to
>>have a really high crime rate. In most other countries, the high urban
>>crime rate is balanced by a low rural crime rate.
>>
>>Add the fact that the number of people in Vatican City on any given
>>day is far greater than the number of citizens. Per capita crime rate
>>means nothing in these circumstances. What you would want is the crime
>>rate per warm body on the streets.
>
>
> That's really the point--it's not the citizens causing all the crime,
> it's the tourists. Nonetheless, 1.5 crimes per resident per year means
> I wouldn't want to live there, and in that sense, per capita crime
> rate is very important.

To know if crime is a problem you would have to know the probability
that a resident would be a crime victim in a given year. That data is
clearly not available and the figure would, i suspect, be very low given
the security level for most of the space.
 
Old Jan 23rd 2007, 8:51 am
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On Jan 23, 10:48 pm, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Viking wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:46:32 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:21:29 -0500, Viking <[email protected]>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245478,00.html
>
> >>>Vatican Crime at Biblical Proportions
>
> >>>Think of the most crime-ridden place on Earth and what comes to mind:
> >>>Sao Paulo, Brazil? Lagos, Nigeria? The Bronx, New York?
>
> >>>Try the Vatican. The small nation-city ruled by Pope Benedict XVI
> >>>apparently sees more criminal cases per capita than any other part of
> >>>the world, the German magazine Spiegel reports.
>
> >>A country that consists entirely of one large city is always going to
> >>have a really high crime rate. In most other countries, the high urban
> >>crime rate is balanced by a low rural crime rate.
>
> >>Add the fact that the number of people in Vatican City on any given
> >>day is far greater than the number of citizens. Per capita crime rate
> >>means nothing in these circumstances. What you would want is the crime
> >>rate per warm body on the streets.
>
> > That's really the point--it's not the citizens causing all the crime,
> > it's the tourists. Nonetheless, 1.5 crimes per resident per year means
> > I wouldn't want to live there, and in that sense, per capita crime
> > rate is very important.To know if crime is a problem you would have to know the probability
> that a resident would be a crime victim in a given year. That data is
> clearly not available and the figure would, i suspect, be very low given
> the security level for most of the space.

it was a crime to make me pay for paper trousers just to get in, bloody
fascists !
 
Old Jan 23rd 2007, 8:57 am
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On 23 Jan 2007 13:51:31 -0800, "Free magic sheep" <[email protected]>
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>it was a crime to make me pay for paper trousers just to get in, bloody
>fascists !

Do you mean pampers?
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Old Jan 23rd 2007, 10:16 am
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Free magic sheep wrote:

>it was a crime to make me pay for paper
>trousers just to get in, bloody fascists !

Heathen!
Did you not know beforehand that God has a dress code.

As you can see in the photo below God does not like shoulders, cleavage
(both female and male), tummies/navels and *especially* male knees for
some reason.

Perhaps they were all design flaws he doesn't like to be reminded
about?
www.azcanada.com/photoblog/photos/DSC00991.jpg Regards, Walter



..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...
 
Old Jan 23rd 2007, 6:12 pm
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On Jan 24, 12:16 am, [email protected] (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> Free magic sheep wrote:
> >it was a crime to make me pay for paper
> >trousers just to get in, bloody fascists !Heathen!
> Did you not know beforehand that God has a dress code.
>
> As you can see in the photo below God does not like shoulders, cleavage
> (both female and male), tummies/navels and *especially* male knees for
> some reason.
>
> Perhaps they were all design flaws he doesn't like to be reminded
> about?www.azcanada.com/photoblog/photos/DSC00991.jpgRegards, Walter
>
> ..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...

next time I'll wear my dress....
 
Old Jan 23rd 2007, 9:37 pm
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:16:15 -0500, [email protected] (Poetic Justice)
wrote:

>Free magic sheep wrote:
>
>>it was a crime to make me pay for paper
>>trousers just to get in, bloody fascists !
>
>Heathen!
> Did you not know beforehand that God has a dress code.
>
> As you can see in the photo below God does not like shoulders, cleavage
>(both female and male), tummies/navels and *especially* male knees for
>some reason.
>
> Perhaps they were all design flaws he doesn't like to be reminded
>about?
>www.azcanada.com/photoblog/photos/DSC00991.jpg Regards, Walter

It is odd that men dressed as women, and women dressed as penguins are allowed
in.
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Old Jan 23rd 2007, 9:52 pm
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Free magic sheep
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On Jan 24, 11:37 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:16:15 -0500, [email protected] (Poetic Justice)
> wrote:
>
> >Free magic sheep wrote:
>
> >>it was a crime to make me pay for paper
> >>trousers just to get in, bloody fascists !
>
> >Heathen!
> > Did you not know beforehand that God has a dress code.
>
> > As you can see in the photo below God does not like shoulders, cleavage
> >(both female and male), tummies/navels and *especially* male knees for
> >some reason.
>
> > Perhaps they were all design flaws he doesn't like to be reminded
> >about?
> >www.azcanada.com/photoblog/photos/DSC00991.jpg
Regards, Walter

>It is odd that men dressed as women, and women dressed as penguins are allowed in.

odder than a virgin giving birth :?)
 
Old Jan 23rd 2007, 10:21 pm
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On 24 Jan 2007 02:52:11 -0800, "Free magic sheep" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
>On Jan 24, 11:37 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:16:15 -0500, [email protected] (Poetic Justice)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Free magic sheep wrote:
>>
>> >>it was a crime to make me pay for paper
>> >>trousers just to get in, bloody fascists !
>>
>> >Heathen!
>> > Did you not know beforehand that God has a dress code.
>>
>> > As you can see in the photo below God does not like shoulders, cleavage
>> >(both female and male), tummies/navels and *especially* male knees for
>> >some reason.
>>
>> > Perhaps they were all design flaws he doesn't like to be reminded
>> >about?
>> >www.azcanada.com/photoblog/photos/DSC00991.jpg
>Regards, Walter
>
>>It is odd that men dressed as women, and women dressed as penguins are allowed in.
>
>odder than a virgin giving birth :?)

in the Vatican or Hull?
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