On 25 Aug 2006 00:19:32 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

    >Mxsmanic wrote:
    >> The French
    >> themselves, in their bizarre doublethink, simultaneously complain
    >> about other cultures and they adopt them wholesale, especially U.S.
    >> culture.
    >Nothing in what you write suggests that you have the remotest clue what
    >French culture actually *is*, or that you are appropriately positioned
    >to comment on it. Your unsupported pronouncements on the subject may
    >therefore not necesarily be accepted as fact by a reader.

James Baldwin went to live in Paris after WW2 because he
understood that he might escape American racism, like Josephine
Baker. But he found he couldn't accept the cultural differences,
and wrote about it in his fascinating book, _Notes of a Native
Son_.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:37:01 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:49:30 +0200, "Terry Richards"
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]. ..
    >>> Again IIRC, there are about ten times as many French people living in
    >>> the USA as there are Americans living in France,
    >>I have no idea if this is true but let's take it as given.
    >>> which means that the
    >>> French are perhaps 50 times more likely to emigrate to the USA than
    >>> Americans are to emigrate to France.
    >>Would you care to explain the mathematics behind that statement? How does a
    >>10:1 ratio result from a 50:1 ratio? Do the French emigrate to the USA to
    >>die? Do 80% of them get lost on the way?
    >It's the population difference. The USA has five times the
    >population of France, and five times ten is fifty.

The relative size of the populations has nothing to do with the
probability that either population will emigrate to the other.
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Dave Frightens Me wrote:

    > On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:27:23 +0200, *~* Magda *~* <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:15:02 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Dave Frightens Me
    > ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
    > >this:
    > >
    > > ... > ... > ... >Corgi bit me 'nads writes:
    > > ... > ... > ... >
    > > ... > ... > ... >> In Africa, 80% of oral dialects are in danger of dying out
    > > ... > ... > ... >>
    > > ... > ... > ... >> More than half of the 6000 languages spoken in the world today may
    > > ... > ... > ... >> disappear by the end of the century, the UN cultural organisation
    > > ... > ... > ... >> Unesco said on the occasion of International Mother Language Day.
    > > ... > ... > ... >
    > > ... > ... > ... >So?
    > > ... > ... > ...
    > > ... > ... > ... I'll join Mixi at this point to say who really cares.
    > > ... > ... >
    > > ... > ... >Not the devil-may-cares...
    > > ... > ...
    > > ... > ... I just can't see the point in trying to preserve numerous under-used
    > > ... > ... dialects.
    > > ... >
    > > ... >Sure. Who cares when a part of our very culture goes down the drain? Creation, Tradition,
    > > ... >Communication, Folklore, History... all shit, isn't it?
    > > ...
    > > ... All of that can occur with whatever language, can't it?
    > >
    > >What's your point? That some languages are not important given that other languages can
    > >fulfill their purpose?
    > >
    > >It's like saying that it does not matter if your wife dies - you can find a replacement.
    > Yes, it's just like that. These things are readily replaceable, just
    > like a pair on boots.


Can Marvelous Magda prove that she doesn't beat her husband...???

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Corgi bit me 'nads wrote:

    > Mxsmanic wrote:
    > > Corgi bit me 'nads writes:
    > >
    > > > you dont know what you've got til its gone......
    > >
    > > Often true for chicken pox and polio.
    > >
    > Adolf and his master plan.....


gRunge and his peculiar dialect of "Franglish"...

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+*~* Mazda *~*+ wrote:

    > On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:19:21 +0200, *~* Magda *~* <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >On 22 Aug 2006 06:03:56 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, "A Human Being"
    > ><[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
    > >
    > > ...
    > > ... Mxsmanic wrote:
    > > ... > Martin writes:
    > > ... >
    > > ... > > Something you have tried?
    > > ... >
    > > ... > I don't believe in unconditionally preserving everything forever. I'm
    > > ... > even beginning to have my doubts about French.
    > > ...
    > > ... Why ?
    > >
    > >Talking to yourself again?
    > Or just pondering life's slings and blows.


In your case isn't it "_f_lings and blows"...???



    > Gottle of geer!


More likely "gottle of lice - a - cide", dearie....

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Martin wrote:

    > On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:11:14 +0100, "JohnT"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >"A Human Being" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected] ups.com...
    > >>
    > >> Mxsmanic wrote:
    > >>> Martin writes:
    > >>>
    > >>> > Something you have tried?
    > >>>
    > >>> I don't believe in unconditionally preserving everything forever. I'm
    > >>> even beginning to have my doubts about French.
    > >>
    > >> Why ?
    > >
    > >Why don't you both go back to America?
    > >
    > >You will only need one ticket.
    > The dummy can go in the checked in luggage.


Maybe there will also be room for deflated LOVE DOLL Jacqueline...

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Mxsmanic wrote:

    > Corgi bit me 'nads writes:
    > > In Africa, 80% of oral dialects are in danger of dying out
    > >
    > > More than half of the 6000 languages spoken in the world today may
    > > disappear by the end of the century, the UN cultural organisation
    > > Unesco said on the occasion of International Mother Language Day.
    > So?


You didn't collect stamps, have pen - friends, and study Esperanto as a
kid...???

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Gregory Morrow wrote:
    > Martin wrote:
    > > On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:11:14 +0100, "JohnT"
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > >"A Human Being" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > >news:[email protected] ups.com...
    > > >>
    > > >> Mxsmanic wrote:
    > > >>> Martin writes:
    > > >>>
    > > >>> > Something you have tried?
    > > >>>
    > > >>> I don't believe in unconditionally preserving everything forever. I'm
    > > >>> even beginning to have my doubts about French.
    > > >>
    > > >> Why ?
    > > >
    > > >Why don't you both go back to America?
    > > >
    > > >You will only need one ticket.
    > >
    > > The dummy can go in the checked in luggage.
    > Maybe there will also be room for deflated LOVE DOLL Jacqueline...
    >
    > --
    > Best
    > Greg

u mean rancid sex dwarf

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:47:39 +0200, Martin <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:37:01 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:49:30 +0200, "Terry Richards"
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected] ...
    >>>> Again IIRC, there are about ten times as many French people living in
    >>>> the USA as there are Americans living in France,
    >>>I have no idea if this is true but let's take it as given.
    >>>> which means that the
    >>>> French are perhaps 50 times more likely to emigrate to the USA than
    >>>> Americans are to emigrate to France.
    >>>Would you care to explain the mathematics behind that statement? How does a
    >>>10:1 ratio result from a 50:1 ratio? Do the French emigrate to the USA to
    >>>die? Do 80% of them get lost on the way?
    >>It's the population difference. The USA has five times the
    >>population of France, and five times ten is fifty.
    >The relative size of the populations has nothing to do with the
    >probability that either population will emigrate to the other.

Proportion of immigration seems to be the point here. But it's
not my claim in the first place.

************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Terry Richards writes:

    >
    > "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Again IIRC, there are about ten times as many French people living in
    > > the USA as there are Americans living in France,
    >
    > I have no idea if this is true but let's take it as given.
    >
    > > which means that the
    > > French are perhaps 50 times more likely to emigrate to the USA than
    > > Americans are to emigrate to France.
    >
    > Would you care to explain the mathematics behind that statement? How does a
    > 10:1 ratio result from a 50:1 ratio?

There are five times as many Americans as French.

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Martin writes:

    > The relative size of the populations has nothing to do with the
    > probability that either population will emigrate to the other.

Yes, it does. If 20,000 Americans emigrate to France out of 300
million, that's a probability of 1 in 15,000. If 200,000 French
people emigrate to the USA out of 60 million, that's a probability of
1 in 300. Thus, the French are 50 times as likely to emigrate to the
USA as Americans are likely to emigrate to France.

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A Human Being writes:

    > But the USA is also much larger in size and unless the emigrants live
    > in close knit communities it would be difficult to preserve one's own
    > culture.

They generally do live in such communities, in both countries.

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[email protected] writes:

    > Nothing in what you write suggests that you have the remotest clue what
    > French culture actually *is*, or that you are appropriately positioned
    > to comment on it. Your unsupported pronouncements on the subject may
    > therefore not necesarily be accepted as fact by a reader.

Nothing in your post addresses the topic under discussion (unless I am
now the topic under discussion, instead of UNESCO and endangered
languages).

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Gregory Morrow writes:

    > You didn't collect stamps, have pen - friends, and study Esperanto as a
    > kid...???

No.

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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Terry Richards writes:
    >> "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > Again IIRC, there are about ten times as many French people living in
    >> > the USA as there are Americans living in France,
    >> I have no idea if this is true but let's take it as given.
    >> > which means that the
    >> > French are perhaps 50 times more likely to emigrate to the USA than
    >> > Americans are to emigrate to France.
    >> Would you care to explain the mathematics behind that statement? How does
    >> a
    >> 10:1 ratio result from a 50:1 ratio?
    > There are five times as many Americans as French.

Yes, but you haven't taken account of the Americans who are Americans
because they emigrated to America.

JohnT