UK- train fares going up above inflation.
Dec 13th 2005, 8:39 pm
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Re: UK- train fares going up above inflation.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:31:33 +0000, The Reid <[email protected]>
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>Following up to Tim C.
>>>The illegality is called "Display of Speed" in the US; noisy, obnoxious,
>>>unsafe; simply a penis extension of the driver... I am talking about
>>>"road safety" BTW.
>>The "unsafe" you mentioned refers to what then?
>Good acceleration is clearly safer, overtaking is safer done
>quickly.
Absolutely.
>I do remember reading something once that implied there was a US
>law relating to what in UK is probably "furious driving", stuff
>like spinning the wheels on purpose. Nothing to do with anything
>really, boy racer stuff.
Basically the car version of "drunk and disorderly" or "wearing a loud
shirt in a built-up are during the hours of darkness".
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Tim C.
wrote:
>Following up to Tim C.
>>>The illegality is called "Display of Speed" in the US; noisy, obnoxious,
>>>unsafe; simply a penis extension of the driver... I am talking about
>>>"road safety" BTW.
>>The "unsafe" you mentioned refers to what then?
>Good acceleration is clearly safer, overtaking is safer done
>quickly.
Absolutely.
>I do remember reading something once that implied there was a US
>law relating to what in UK is probably "furious driving", stuff
>like spinning the wheels on purpose. Nothing to do with anything
>really, boy racer stuff.
Basically the car version of "drunk and disorderly" or "wearing a loud
shirt in a built-up are during the hours of darkness".
--
Tim C.
Dec 14th 2005, 4:34 am
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Re: UK- train fares going up above inflation.
Pressing the accelerator with your Johnson...
You damn well know we're not talking about sufficient horsepower to pass
on a hill... Perhaps you do remember reading about such driving
offenses...in the long gone rules of the road pamphlet you apparently
threw in the bin. They don't apply to superior drivers such as yourself
anyway... just the rest that clog 'your' road...
In the real world 'boy racers' kill themselves and others for no reason
other than *ego*; just blow the doors off that like the laws too.
Tim K
"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >The "unsafe" you mentioned refers to what then?
> Good acceleration is clearly safer, overtaking is safer done
> quickly.
> I do remember reading something once that implied there was a US
> law relating to what in UK is probably "furious driving", stuff
> like spinning the wheels on purpose. Nothing to do with anything
> really, boy racer stuff.
> --
> Mike Reid
You damn well know we're not talking about sufficient horsepower to pass
on a hill... Perhaps you do remember reading about such driving
offenses...in the long gone rules of the road pamphlet you apparently
threw in the bin. They don't apply to superior drivers such as yourself
anyway... just the rest that clog 'your' road...
In the real world 'boy racers' kill themselves and others for no reason
other than *ego*; just blow the doors off that like the laws too.
Tim K
"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >The "unsafe" you mentioned refers to what then?
> Good acceleration is clearly safer, overtaking is safer done
> quickly.
> I do remember reading something once that implied there was a US
> law relating to what in UK is probably "furious driving", stuff
> like spinning the wheels on purpose. Nothing to do with anything
> really, boy racer stuff.
> --
> Mike Reid
Dec 15th 2005, 10:46 am
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Bendy buses - was Re: UK- train fares going up above inflation.
"David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>> it would be even better without bendy buses.
> Is there actually hard evidence for that? I'm aware that people are
> complaining about them, but is it warranted? From the passenger point of
> view, they seem fine.
Drivers did seem to be having some problems getting used to them on their
first day on the 38, e.g. negotiating the turn from Lower Regent Street into
Piccadilly. The only quarrel I have with them is that their length sometimes
causes problems for pedestrian, including passengers who have just got off.
The spendid example is the 436 on arrival at Paddington. When getting off at
the rear, especially when the bus arrives on the stop behind another, I
often find that passengers have no way of getting on to the pavement,
because of the safety fences. They also frequently stop across the crossing
giving access to the station. It's a bit frustrating to see the pedestrian
lights on green through the windows of a bus extending nine metres either
side of the crossing!
Alan Harrison
prestwich tesco 24h offy" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>> it would be even better without bendy buses.
> Is there actually hard evidence for that? I'm aware that people are
> complaining about them, but is it warranted? From the passenger point of
> view, they seem fine.
Drivers did seem to be having some problems getting used to them on their
first day on the 38, e.g. negotiating the turn from Lower Regent Street into
Piccadilly. The only quarrel I have with them is that their length sometimes
causes problems for pedestrian, including passengers who have just got off.
The spendid example is the 436 on arrival at Paddington. When getting off at
the rear, especially when the bus arrives on the stop behind another, I
often find that passengers have no way of getting on to the pavement,
because of the safety fences. They also frequently stop across the crossing
giving access to the station. It's a bit frustrating to see the pedestrian
lights on green through the windows of a bus extending nine metres either
side of the crossing!
Alan Harrison
Dec 15th 2005, 8:37 pm
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Following up to ALAN HARRISON
>They also frequently stop across the crossing
>giving access to the station.
they of course shouldn't go onto the crossing until there is
space to move beyond it, is that a pig I just saw fly by?
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Mike Reid
BMW driver
"Everybody hates us and we don't care"
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
>They also frequently stop across the crossing
>giving access to the station.
they of course shouldn't go onto the crossing until there is
space to move beyond it, is that a pig I just saw fly by?
--
Mike Reid
BMW driver
"Everybody hates us and we don't care"
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Dec 15th 2005, 10:51 pm
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Re: Bendy buses - was Re: UK- train fares going up above inflation.
"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Following up to ALAN HARRISON
>>They also frequently stop across the crossing
>>giving access to the station.
> they of course shouldn't go onto the crossing until there is
> space to move beyond it, is that a pig I just saw fly by?
The problem then is that the arse end of the bus blocks the junction with
London Street, since the pedestrian crossing is combined with traffic
lights.
Alan Harrison
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> Following up to ALAN HARRISON
>>They also frequently stop across the crossing
>>giving access to the station.
> they of course shouldn't go onto the crossing until there is
> space to move beyond it, is that a pig I just saw fly by?
The problem then is that the arse end of the bus blocks the junction with
London Street, since the pedestrian crossing is combined with traffic
lights.
Alan Harrison
Dec 16th 2005, 3:25 am
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Re: Bendy buses - was Re: UK- train fares going up above inflation.
ALAN HARRISON <[email protected]> wrote:
> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:1h7gv8a.1doq14110ztjx2N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
>
> >> it would be even better without bendy buses.
> >
> > Is there actually hard evidence for that? I'm aware that people are
> > complaining about them, but is it warranted? From the passenger point of
> > view, they seem fine.
>
> Drivers did seem to be having some problems getting used to them on their
> first day on the 38, e.g. negotiating the turn from Lower Regent Street into
> Piccadilly. The only quarrel I have with them is that their length sometimes
> causes problems for pedestrian, including passengers who have just got off.
> The spendid example is the 436 on arrival at Paddington. When getting off at
> the rear, especially when the bus arrives on the stop behind another, I
> often find that passengers have no way of getting on to the pavement,
> because of the safety fences.
This is also a problem on the bus route close to my house. If you get
off at the back, you can't get onto the pavement because of the safety
fence. I've often wondered what the point of the fences were. I used to
assume it was always to keep kids etc. from running onto the road. Given
how often the fences near me get smashed into by cars, it seems to be
the other way around! :(
--
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> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:1h7gv8a.1doq14110ztjx2N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
>
> >> it would be even better without bendy buses.
> >
> > Is there actually hard evidence for that? I'm aware that people are
> > complaining about them, but is it warranted? From the passenger point of
> > view, they seem fine.
>
> Drivers did seem to be having some problems getting used to them on their
> first day on the 38, e.g. negotiating the turn from Lower Regent Street into
> Piccadilly. The only quarrel I have with them is that their length sometimes
> causes problems for pedestrian, including passengers who have just got off.
> The spendid example is the 436 on arrival at Paddington. When getting off at
> the rear, especially when the bus arrives on the stop behind another, I
> often find that passengers have no way of getting on to the pavement,
> because of the safety fences.
This is also a problem on the bus route close to my house. If you get
off at the back, you can't get onto the pavement because of the safety
fence. I've often wondered what the point of the fences were. I used to
assume it was always to keep kids etc. from running onto the road. Given
how often the fences near me get smashed into by cars, it seems to be
the other way around! :(
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
Dec 16th 2005, 3:42 am
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Re: Bendy buses - was Re: UK- train fares going up above inflation.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy wrote:
> ALAN HARRISON <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>>prestwich tesco 24h offy" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message news:1h7gv8a.1doq14110ztjx2N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
>>>>it would be even better without bendy buses.
>>>Is there actually hard evidence for that? I'm aware that people are
>>>complaining about them, but is it warranted? From the passenger point of
>>>view, they seem fine.
>>Drivers did seem to be having some problems getting used to them on their
>>first day on the 38, e.g. negotiating the turn from Lower Regent Street into
>>Piccadilly. The only quarrel I have with them is that their length sometimes
>>causes problems for pedestrian, including passengers who have just got off.
>>The spendid example is the 436 on arrival at Paddington. When getting off at
>>the rear, especially when the bus arrives on the stop behind another, I
>>often find that passengers have no way of getting on to the pavement,
>>because of the safety fences.
>
>
> This is also a problem on the bus route close to my house. If you get
> off at the back, you can't get onto the pavement because of the safety
> fence. I've often wondered what the point of the fences were. I used to
> assume it was always to keep kids etc. from running onto the road. Given
> how often the fences near me get smashed into by cars, it seems to be
> the other way around! :(
>
I'm curious. How do the drivers respond to all the passengers crowding
to the front to get off?
prestwich tesco 24h offy wrote:
> ALAN HARRISON <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>>prestwich tesco 24h offy" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message news:1h7gv8a.1doq14110ztjx2N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
>>>>it would be even better without bendy buses.
>>>Is there actually hard evidence for that? I'm aware that people are
>>>complaining about them, but is it warranted? From the passenger point of
>>>view, they seem fine.
>>Drivers did seem to be having some problems getting used to them on their
>>first day on the 38, e.g. negotiating the turn from Lower Regent Street into
>>Piccadilly. The only quarrel I have with them is that their length sometimes
>>causes problems for pedestrian, including passengers who have just got off.
>>The spendid example is the 436 on arrival at Paddington. When getting off at
>>the rear, especially when the bus arrives on the stop behind another, I
>>often find that passengers have no way of getting on to the pavement,
>>because of the safety fences.
>
>
> This is also a problem on the bus route close to my house. If you get
> off at the back, you can't get onto the pavement because of the safety
> fence. I've often wondered what the point of the fences were. I used to
> assume it was always to keep kids etc. from running onto the road. Given
> how often the fences near me get smashed into by cars, it seems to be
> the other way around! :(
>
I'm curious. How do the drivers respond to all the passengers crowding
to the front to get off?
Dec 16th 2005, 4:22 am
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Re: Bendy buses - was Re: UK- train fares going up above inflation.
"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy wrote:
>> This is also a problem on the bus route close to my house. If you get
>> off at the back, you can't get onto the pavement because of the safety
>> fence.>>
> I'm curious. How do the drivers respond to all the passengers crowding to
> the front to get off?
What tends to happen is that passengers geting off at the rear simply walk
along the road until thet can get on to the pavement - which rather
frustrates the purpose of the safety fence. It would be impracticable for
passengers on a heavily loaded 18-metre bendy bus to walk to the front in
most circumstances.
Alan Harrison
news:[email protected]...
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy wrote:
>> This is also a problem on the bus route close to my house. If you get
>> off at the back, you can't get onto the pavement because of the safety
>> fence.>>
> I'm curious. How do the drivers respond to all the passengers crowding to
> the front to get off?
What tends to happen is that passengers geting off at the rear simply walk
along the road until thet can get on to the pavement - which rather
frustrates the purpose of the safety fence. It would be impracticable for
passengers on a heavily loaded 18-metre bendy bus to walk to the front in
most circumstances.
Alan Harrison
Dec 16th 2005, 6:14 am
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ALAN HARRISON wrote:
> "Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>>prestwich tesco 24h offy wrote:
>
>
>>>This is also a problem on the bus route close to my house. If you get
>>>off at the back, you can't get onto the pavement because of the safety
>>>fence.>>
>>I'm curious. How do the drivers respond to all the passengers crowding to
>>the front to get off?
>
> What tends to happen is that passengers geting off at the rear simply walk
> along the road until thet can get on to the pavement - which rather
> frustrates the purpose of the safety fence. It would be impracticable for
> passengers on a heavily loaded 18-metre bendy bus to walk to the front in
> most circumstances.
>
> Alan Harrison
>
>
Why not? Certainly a driver won't simply drive off with passengers
trying to disembark and the folks on the ground waiting to get on. The
secret is to know that the rear exit may well be blocked and always exit
from the front.
> "Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>>prestwich tesco 24h offy wrote:
>
>
>>>This is also a problem on the bus route close to my house. If you get
>>>off at the back, you can't get onto the pavement because of the safety
>>>fence.>>
>>I'm curious. How do the drivers respond to all the passengers crowding to
>>the front to get off?
>
> What tends to happen is that passengers geting off at the rear simply walk
> along the road until thet can get on to the pavement - which rather
> frustrates the purpose of the safety fence. It would be impracticable for
> passengers on a heavily loaded 18-metre bendy bus to walk to the front in
> most circumstances.
>
> Alan Harrison
>
>
Why not? Certainly a driver won't simply drive off with passengers
trying to disembark and the folks on the ground waiting to get on. The
secret is to know that the rear exit may well be blocked and always exit
from the front.
Dec 17th 2005, 9:37 am
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Re: Bendy buses - was Re: UK- train fares going up above inflation.
"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ALAN HARRISON wrote:
> Why not? Certainly a driver won't simply drive off with passengers trying
> to disembark and the folks on the ground waiting to get on. The secret is
> to know that the rear exit may well be blocked and always exit from the
> front.
In practice this can't always happen. Bendy buses in central London all
operate on the basis that you must get your ticket before boarding and
enter/leave by any door. The Paddington stop serves a railway station, where
walking to the front of the bus (usually entailing a wait while passengers
in front disembark) and then walking back to a pedestrian crossing behind
the bus may make the difference between catching and missing a train. Hence
peope prefer to get off through the nearest door and risk walking in the
roadway to a point where they can get on the pavement.
Alan Harrison
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> ALAN HARRISON wrote:
> Why not? Certainly a driver won't simply drive off with passengers trying
> to disembark and the folks on the ground waiting to get on. The secret is
> to know that the rear exit may well be blocked and always exit from the
> front.
In practice this can't always happen. Bendy buses in central London all
operate on the basis that you must get your ticket before boarding and
enter/leave by any door. The Paddington stop serves a railway station, where
walking to the front of the bus (usually entailing a wait while passengers
in front disembark) and then walking back to a pedestrian crossing behind
the bus may make the difference between catching and missing a train. Hence
peope prefer to get off through the nearest door and risk walking in the
roadway to a point where they can get on the pavement.
Alan Harrison
