UK- train fares going up above inflation.
Dec 12th 2005, 11:42 pm
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Following up to Martin
>> so can do the
>>trains, we have the advantage of a high bridges, so what do we
>>do........
>Road bridges? Not rail bridges and tunnels.
>--
I meant London roads are built to accommodate double deckers.
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>> so can do the
>>trains, we have the advantage of a high bridges, so what do we
>>do........
>Road bridges? Not rail bridges and tunnels.
>--
I meant London roads are built to accommodate double deckers.
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Dec 12th 2005, 11:42 pm
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Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>> Not if all the cars got out of the busses' way ;-)
>When drivers in general learn to get out of the bus lanes I'll have more
>sympathy for them as a group! :)
"drivers in general" is meaningless. Looking at "people in
general" some vandalise public transport, some are muggers, it
doesn't make me unsympathetic to people, the minority who block
bus lanes shouldn't bias you against drivers. Considering they
are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
bus its surprising how good about it people are.
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>> Not if all the cars got out of the busses' way ;-)
>When drivers in general learn to get out of the bus lanes I'll have more
>sympathy for them as a group! :)
"drivers in general" is meaningless. Looking at "people in
general" some vandalise public transport, some are muggers, it
doesn't make me unsympathetic to people, the minority who block
bus lanes shouldn't bias you against drivers. Considering they
are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
bus its surprising how good about it people are.
--
Mike Reid
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Dec 12th 2005, 11:44 pm
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Considering they
> are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
> bus its surprising how good about it people are.
That's the kind of attitude that makes them go into the bus lane in the
first place. The bus lane doesn't usually _not_ become a bus lane when
there are no buses around.
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> Considering they
> are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
> bus its surprising how good about it people are.
That's the kind of attitude that makes them go into the bus lane in the
first place. The bus lane doesn't usually _not_ become a bus lane when
there are no buses around.
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Dec 13th 2005, 12:08 am
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:44:54 +0000, [email protected]
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Considering they
>> are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
>> bus its surprising how good about it people are.
>That's the kind of attitude that makes them go into the bus lane in the
>first place. The bus lane doesn't usually _not_ become a bus lane when
>there are no buses around.
They need to separate the bus lane from the rest of the road with
concrete slabs like they do in Rome. The occasional car trap that rips
the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
pedestrians. I particularly liked a simple idea they had in Hemel H.
two vertical steel girders embedded in concrete that a car could just
pass through if it was driven very carefully.
--
Martin
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Considering they
>> are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
>> bus its surprising how good about it people are.
>That's the kind of attitude that makes them go into the bus lane in the
>first place. The bus lane doesn't usually _not_ become a bus lane when
>there are no buses around.
They need to separate the bus lane from the rest of the road with
concrete slabs like they do in Rome. The occasional car trap that rips
the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
pedestrians. I particularly liked a simple idea they had in Hemel H.
two vertical steel girders embedded in concrete that a car could just
pass through if it was driven very carefully.
--
Martin
Dec 13th 2005, 12:14 am
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:42:15 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
>besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>>> Not if all the cars got out of the busses' way ;-)
>>When drivers in general learn to get out of the bus lanes I'll have more
>>sympathy for them as a group! :)
>"drivers in general" is meaningless. Looking at "people in
>general" some vandalise public transport, some are muggers, it
>doesn't make me unsympathetic to people, the minority who block
>bus lanes shouldn't bias you against drivers. Considering they
>are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
>bus its surprising how good about it people are.
Do you look with envy at empty railway tracks too? :-)
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
>besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>>> Not if all the cars got out of the busses' way ;-)
>>When drivers in general learn to get out of the bus lanes I'll have more
>>sympathy for them as a group! :)
>"drivers in general" is meaningless. Looking at "people in
>general" some vandalise public transport, some are muggers, it
>doesn't make me unsympathetic to people, the minority who block
>bus lanes shouldn't bias you against drivers. Considering they
>are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
>bus its surprising how good about it people are.
Do you look with envy at empty railway tracks too? :-)
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Martin
Dec 13th 2005, 12:17 am
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:42:15 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>> so can do the
>>>trains, we have the advantage of a high bridges, so what do we
>>>do........
>>Road bridges? Not rail bridges and tunnels.
>>--
>I meant London roads are built to accommodate double deckers.
I understood. UK railways can't accommodate double decker trains
according to the anoraks. Somebody tried it 50 years ago. I suspect
that the French built double decker trains would fit in UK tunnels and
under bridges, but we don't want frog technoloshite do we?
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Martin
>>> so can do the
>>>trains, we have the advantage of a high bridges, so what do we
>>>do........
>>Road bridges? Not rail bridges and tunnels.
>>--
>I meant London roads are built to accommodate double deckers.
I understood. UK railways can't accommodate double decker trains
according to the anoraks. Somebody tried it 50 years ago. I suspect
that the French built double decker trains would fit in UK tunnels and
under bridges, but we don't want frog technoloshite do we?
--
Martin
Dec 13th 2005, 12:23 am
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Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
>> Considering they
>> are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
>> bus its surprising how good about it people are.
>That's the kind of attitude that makes them go into the bus lane in the
>first place.
My point was that the majority *don't*. And its not an attitude,
its an observation! The one into Bromley causes the people doing
their weekly shop to queue twice as long, you see a bus maybe
once in 7 or 8 trips, it will probably be just carrying some yobs
going to steal children's mobile phones in the shopping
centre.:-)
>The bus lane doesn't usually _not_ become a bus lane when
>there are no buses around.
I know, its a design weakness and sometimes a regulation failure.
(in force when not needed).
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>> Considering they
>> are often in an unnecessary queue to make space for a nonexistent
>> bus its surprising how good about it people are.
>That's the kind of attitude that makes them go into the bus lane in the
>first place.
My point was that the majority *don't*. And its not an attitude,
its an observation! The one into Bromley causes the people doing
their weekly shop to queue twice as long, you see a bus maybe
once in 7 or 8 trips, it will probably be just carrying some yobs
going to steal children's mobile phones in the shopping
centre.:-)
>The bus lane doesn't usually _not_ become a bus lane when
>there are no buses around.
I know, its a design weakness and sometimes a regulation failure.
(in force when not needed).
--
Mike Reid
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Dec 13th 2005, 12:47 am
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:08:37 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> The occasional car trap that rips
>the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
>pedestrians.
How does that not block the bus lane though?
Jim.
> The occasional car trap that rips
>the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
>pedestrians.
How does that not block the bus lane though?
Jim.
Dec 13th 2005, 12:59 am
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:47:59 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:08:37 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The occasional car trap that rips
>>the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
>>pedestrians.
>How does that not block the bus lane though?
The Dutch buses have much more road clearance than cars. I suppose a
Citroen BX could fool it. The sort I had in mind is two deep gutters
that the wheels fit in with a block of concrete separating them. A bit
like the roads in Pompeii.
There's a variety of more expensive things here
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mepro/download...traffic_GB.pdf
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>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:08:37 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The occasional car trap that rips
>>the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
>>pedestrians.
>How does that not block the bus lane though?
The Dutch buses have much more road clearance than cars. I suppose a
Citroen BX could fool it. The sort I had in mind is two deep gutters
that the wheels fit in with a block of concrete separating them. A bit
like the roads in Pompeii.
There's a variety of more expensive things here
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mepro/download...traffic_GB.pdf
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Martin
Dec 13th 2005, 2:37 am
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:08:37 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>The occasional car trap that rips the sump out,
Happened to a friend of mine some years ago in his Porsche 928. We did
laugh.
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>The occasional car trap that rips the sump out,
Happened to a friend of mine some years ago in his Porsche 928. We did
laugh.
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Dec 13th 2005, 3:53 am
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The illegality is called "Display of Speed" in the US; noisy, obnoxious,
unsafe; simply a penis extension of the driver... I am talking about
"road safety" BTW.
Tim K
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> Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
> besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> >> Do you have no curiosity at all as to what it would be like to
> >> drive a car that does 0-60mph in 2 seconds?
> >
> >Honestly? No. I'm not joking. Other than police cars (and even
_then_)
> >I'm not sure if such things should be legal on public roads...
> I don't see why acceleration should be illegal, but I'm not
> talking about road safety or public roads for that matter.
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unsafe; simply a penis extension of the driver... I am talking about
"road safety" BTW.
Tim K
"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
> besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> >> Do you have no curiosity at all as to what it would be like to
> >> drive a car that does 0-60mph in 2 seconds?
> >
> >Honestly? No. I'm not joking. Other than police cars (and even
_then_)
> >I'm not sure if such things should be legal on public roads...
> I don't see why acceleration should be illegal, but I'm not
> talking about road safety or public roads for that matter.
> --
> Mike Reid
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Dec 13th 2005, 4:06 am
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:59:01 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:47:59 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:08:37 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> The occasional car trap that rips
>>>the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
>>>pedestrians.
>>How does that not block the bus lane though?
>The Dutch buses have much more road clearance than cars. I suppose a
>Citroen BX could fool it.
Yes I meant a car that got caught by them would surely block the bus
lane completely.
Jim.
>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:47:59 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:08:37 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> The occasional car trap that rips
>>>the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
>>>pedestrians.
>>How does that not block the bus lane though?
>The Dutch buses have much more road clearance than cars. I suppose a
>Citroen BX could fool it.
Yes I meant a car that got caught by them would surely block the bus
lane completely.
Jim.
Dec 13th 2005, 4:38 am
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:06:45 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:59:01 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:47:59 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:08:37 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> The occasional car trap that rips
>>>>the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
>>>>pedestrians.
>>>How does that not block the bus lane though?
>>The Dutch buses have much more road clearance than cars. I suppose a
>>Citroen BX could fool it.
>Yes I meant a car that got caught by them would surely block the bus
>lane completely.
They are not totally stupid here :-)
There was a car that parked over a steel post that rises out of the
ground. The post was set to close a road at pre-specified times and
I've seen a bit of video of a twit on a bike cycling into one just as
it rose.
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>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:59:01 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:47:59 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:08:37 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> The occasional car trap that rips
>>>>the sump out, like the Dutch have, provides hours of entertainment for
>>>>pedestrians.
>>>How does that not block the bus lane though?
>>The Dutch buses have much more road clearance than cars. I suppose a
>>Citroen BX could fool it.
>Yes I meant a car that got caught by them would surely block the bus
>lane completely.
They are not totally stupid here :-)
There was a car that parked over a steel post that rises out of the
ground. The post was set to close a road at pre-specified times and
I've seen a bit of video of a twit on a bike cycling into one just as
it rose.
--
Martin
Dec 13th 2005, 7:31 pm
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:53:12 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The illegality is called "Display of Speed" in the US; noisy, obnoxious,
>unsafe; simply a penis extension of the driver... I am talking about
>"road safety" BTW.
The "unsafe" you mentioned refers to what then?
--
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wrote:
>The illegality is called "Display of Speed" in the US; noisy, obnoxious,
>unsafe; simply a penis extension of the driver... I am talking about
>"road safety" BTW.
The "unsafe" you mentioned refers to what then?
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Dec 13th 2005, 8:31 pm
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Following up to Tim C.
>>The illegality is called "Display of Speed" in the US; noisy, obnoxious,
>>unsafe; simply a penis extension of the driver... I am talking about
>>"road safety" BTW.
>The "unsafe" you mentioned refers to what then?
Good acceleration is clearly safer, overtaking is safer done
quickly.
I do remember reading something once that implied there was a US
law relating to what in UK is probably "furious driving", stuff
like spinning the wheels on purpose. Nothing to do with anything
really, boy racer stuff.
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>>The illegality is called "Display of Speed" in the US; noisy, obnoxious,
>>unsafe; simply a penis extension of the driver... I am talking about
>>"road safety" BTW.
>The "unsafe" you mentioned refers to what then?
Good acceleration is clearly safer, overtaking is safer done
quickly.
I do remember reading something once that implied there was a US
law relating to what in UK is probably "furious driving", stuff
like spinning the wheels on purpose. Nothing to do with anything
really, boy racer stuff.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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