The Turning of the Year
Dec 21st 2005, 11:59 am
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Re: The Turning of the Year
Padraig Breathnach wrote:
>
> Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
> raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
>
A Happy Solstice to you, too, Padraig!
>
> Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
> raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
>
A Happy Solstice to you, too, Padraig!
Dec 21st 2005, 12:00 pm
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The Turning of the Year
For those of us in the northern hemisphere, the winter solstice has
just passed (antipodeans of superior intelligence can work out the
corresponding event in their lives).
The privileged few, some of whom waited years for their turn, who were
in the chamber of Newgrange to witness midwinter sunrise were
disappointed, as the day was heavily overcast. Sure, the sun rose:
they just didn't see it.
It's cold and a bit miserable outside, so we plan to stock up on food
and drink, feast and make merry, reinforce family and friendship ties,
and generally do what we can to get us through the nadir of the yearly
cycle. Some people invest this time with a religious significance, and
that's okay by me. Any excuse for a party will do.
Tomorrow the sun will rise a little earlier, and set a little later --
that is, if long-established precedent is followed. And such a pattern
will be followed for six months, until day is far longer than night,
and the weather is such that I will be able to venture out in light
slacks and shirtsleeves (antipodeans may see things differently).
Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
--
PB
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just passed (antipodeans of superior intelligence can work out the
corresponding event in their lives).
The privileged few, some of whom waited years for their turn, who were
in the chamber of Newgrange to witness midwinter sunrise were
disappointed, as the day was heavily overcast. Sure, the sun rose:
they just didn't see it.
It's cold and a bit miserable outside, so we plan to stock up on food
and drink, feast and make merry, reinforce family and friendship ties,
and generally do what we can to get us through the nadir of the yearly
cycle. Some people invest this time with a religious significance, and
that's okay by me. Any excuse for a party will do.
Tomorrow the sun will rise a little earlier, and set a little later --
that is, if long-established precedent is followed. And such a pattern
will be followed for six months, until day is far longer than night,
and the weather is such that I will be able to venture out in light
slacks and shirtsleeves (antipodeans may see things differently).
Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED
Dec 21st 2005, 8:20 pm
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Re: The Turning of the Year
"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<geek alert>
> Tomorrow the sun will rise a little earlier,
Actually to be pedantic, it won't. The sun will carry on rising later each day
for about another week or so.
> and set a little later --
Which it has been doing for about a week or so already...
This effect comes about due to the non-circular orbit of the earth, I think.
Yesterday was indeed the shortest day, but the earliest sunset occures around
the middle of December and the latest sunrise occurs about new year.
</geek alert>
> Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
> raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
And to you.
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Andy
news:[email protected]...
<geek alert>
> Tomorrow the sun will rise a little earlier,
Actually to be pedantic, it won't. The sun will carry on rising later each day
for about another week or so.
> and set a little later --
Which it has been doing for about a week or so already...
This effect comes about due to the non-circular orbit of the earth, I think.
Yesterday was indeed the shortest day, but the earliest sunset occures around
the middle of December and the latest sunrise occurs about new year.
</geek alert>
> Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
> raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
And to you.
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Andy
Dec 21st 2005, 8:39 pm
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Re: The Turning of the Year
Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
> For those of us in the northern hemisphere, the winter solstice has
> just passed (antipodeans of superior intelligence can work out the
> corresponding event in their lives).
>
> The privileged few, some of whom waited years for their turn, who were
> in the chamber of Newgrange to witness midwinter sunrise were
> disappointed, as the day was heavily overcast. Sure, the sun rose:
> they just didn't see it.
>
> It's cold and a bit miserable outside, so we plan to stock up on food
> and drink, feast and make merry, reinforce family and friendship ties,
> and generally do what we can to get us through the nadir of the yearly
> cycle.
Unlike last year, we're not stocking up on anything, as Christmas day
we'll be on a flight to Boston, though we'll no doubt get well and truly
stuffed on (mostly latin american) foody delights while there. We
haven't put up any decorations at home this year either, other than the
greeting cards and an advent calander which is an excuse to have a
little ('real') chocolate every morning at breakfast! I think we'll
splurge on Saturday morning and have some panettone and hot chocolate,
but that's about it. Other than that, it's a rush of work for me until
Christmas eve and I haven't even packed yet.
[]
> Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up,
I rather like this time of year. Still, one of my favourite literary
works is Donne's "A Nocturnal Upon St. Lucy's Day." (That was yesterday,
by the way.) I 'warmly' recommend it!
http://www.darsie.net/library/donne.html#lucy
> and I
> raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
I'll raise one later, cheers! And best wishes to you!
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> For those of us in the northern hemisphere, the winter solstice has
> just passed (antipodeans of superior intelligence can work out the
> corresponding event in their lives).
>
> The privileged few, some of whom waited years for their turn, who were
> in the chamber of Newgrange to witness midwinter sunrise were
> disappointed, as the day was heavily overcast. Sure, the sun rose:
> they just didn't see it.
>
> It's cold and a bit miserable outside, so we plan to stock up on food
> and drink, feast and make merry, reinforce family and friendship ties,
> and generally do what we can to get us through the nadir of the yearly
> cycle.
Unlike last year, we're not stocking up on anything, as Christmas day
we'll be on a flight to Boston, though we'll no doubt get well and truly
stuffed on (mostly latin american) foody delights while there. We
haven't put up any decorations at home this year either, other than the
greeting cards and an advent calander which is an excuse to have a
little ('real') chocolate every morning at breakfast! I think we'll
splurge on Saturday morning and have some panettone and hot chocolate,
but that's about it. Other than that, it's a rush of work for me until
Christmas eve and I haven't even packed yet.
[]
> Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up,
I rather like this time of year. Still, one of my favourite literary
works is Donne's "A Nocturnal Upon St. Lucy's Day." (That was yesterday,
by the way.) I 'warmly' recommend it!
http://www.darsie.net/library/donne.html#lucy
> and I
> raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
I'll raise one later, cheers! And best wishes to you!
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
Dec 21st 2005, 9:11 pm
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Re: The Turning of the Year
Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>Any excuse for a party will do.
and why not one in summer too?
>Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
>raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
Superb Solstice to you!
--
Mike Reid
"Christmas is the Disneyfication of Christianity" Don Cupitt (theologian)
"Christmas is the Christianisation of the solstice?" M.Reid(self appointed expert)
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/happyxmas.htm"
>Any excuse for a party will do.
and why not one in summer too?
>Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
>raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
Superb Solstice to you!
--
Mike Reid
"Christmas is the Disneyfication of Christianity" Don Cupitt (theologian)
"Christmas is the Christianisation of the solstice?" M.Reid(self appointed expert)
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/happyxmas.htm"
Dec 21st 2005, 9:30 pm
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
> I rather like this time of year. Still, one of my favourite literary
> works is Donne's "A Nocturnal Upon St. Lucy's Day." (That was
> yesterday, by the way.) I 'warmly' recommend it!
You warmly recommend yesterday? I missed it, I'm afraid.
But St. Lucy's Day is actually the 13 December, I'm afraid. (See
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_day> and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy>, for example.) I happen to
know this because all good Zwedishes celebrate the nice Sankta Lucia
(and this is also when the Nobel prize ceremony happens).
But you're probably wondering why the saint of the shortest day is
f�ted on the 13th. It is a calendar reform thing:
"""
Before the calendar reform, her original feast day (the day of her
martyrdom) happened to fall on the shortest day of the year. The
winter solstice was December 13 by the Julian calendar rather than
December 21, which it became with the change to the Gregorian calendar
in the 1300s, linking it with the far older Yule and Winter festivals
of pre-Christian times. Lucy's lore survived the Reformation and
calendar reform, which brought the solstice to December 23 [sic!].
"""
<http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/lucia.htm>
Des
> I rather like this time of year. Still, one of my favourite literary
> works is Donne's "A Nocturnal Upon St. Lucy's Day." (That was
> yesterday, by the way.) I 'warmly' recommend it!
You warmly recommend yesterday? I missed it, I'm afraid.
But St. Lucy's Day is actually the 13 December, I'm afraid. (See
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_day> and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy>, for example.) I happen to
know this because all good Zwedishes celebrate the nice Sankta Lucia
(and this is also when the Nobel prize ceremony happens).
But you're probably wondering why the saint of the shortest day is
f�ted on the 13th. It is a calendar reform thing:
"""
Before the calendar reform, her original feast day (the day of her
martyrdom) happened to fall on the shortest day of the year. The
winter solstice was December 13 by the Julian calendar rather than
December 21, which it became with the change to the Gregorian calendar
in the 1300s, linking it with the far older Yule and Winter festivals
of pre-Christian times. Lucy's lore survived the Reformation and
calendar reform, which brought the solstice to December 23 [sic!].
"""
<http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/lucia.htm>
Des
Dec 21st 2005, 9:37 pm
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Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
> duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
>
> > I rather like this time of year. Still, one of my favourite literary
> > works is Donne's "A Nocturnal Upon St. Lucy's Day." (That was
> > yesterday, by the way.) I 'warmly' recommend it!
>
> You warmly recommend yesterday?
I believe in it!
> I missed it, I'm afraid.
>
> But St. Lucy's Day is actually the 13 December, I'm afraid. (See
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_day> and
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy>, for example.) I happen to
> know this because all good Zwedishes celebrate the nice Sankta Lucia
> (and this is also when the Nobel prize ceremony happens).
>
> But you're probably wondering why the saint of the shortest day is
> f�ted on the 13th. It is a calendar reform thing:
Now, that's something else I didn't know and do know now- thanks. (I'd
always associated St. Lucy with the shortest day of the year, so just
assumed December 21.) Yes, the poem plays so much on the shortest day
(and the irony of the name) that I would have been a bit suprised if the
symbolism was all out of whack. December 12 is St. David Horne's day
BTW! :)
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
> duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
>
> > I rather like this time of year. Still, one of my favourite literary
> > works is Donne's "A Nocturnal Upon St. Lucy's Day." (That was
> > yesterday, by the way.) I 'warmly' recommend it!
>
> You warmly recommend yesterday?
I believe in it!
> I missed it, I'm afraid.
>
> But St. Lucy's Day is actually the 13 December, I'm afraid. (See
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_day> and
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy>, for example.) I happen to
> know this because all good Zwedishes celebrate the nice Sankta Lucia
> (and this is also when the Nobel prize ceremony happens).
>
> But you're probably wondering why the saint of the shortest day is
> f�ted on the 13th. It is a calendar reform thing:
Now, that's something else I didn't know and do know now- thanks. (I'd
always associated St. Lucy with the shortest day of the year, so just
assumed December 21.) Yes, the poem plays so much on the shortest day
(and the irony of the name) that I would have been a bit suprised if the
symbolism was all out of whack. December 12 is St. David Horne's day
BTW! :)
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
Dec 21st 2005, 10:30 pm
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Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> For those of us in the northern hemisphere, the winter solstice has
> just passed . . .
>
> Tomorrow the sun will rise a little earlier
It had died. It is reborn! Hallelujah!
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> For those of us in the northern hemisphere, the winter solstice has
> just passed . . .
>
> Tomorrow the sun will rise a little earlier
It had died. It is reborn! Hallelujah!
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Dec 21st 2005, 10:30 pm
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:37:00 +0000, [email protected]
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
> December 12 is St. David Horne's day
>BTW! :)
Martyred by a top posting flamer?
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(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
> December 12 is St. David Horne's day
>BTW! :)
Martyred by a top posting flamer?
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Martin
Dec 21st 2005, 11:15 pm
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:11:30 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>Any excuse for a party will do.
Chez Earl?
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>Any excuse for a party will do.
Chez Earl?
--
Martin
Dec 22nd 2005, 12:04 am
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Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy)
:
> December 12 is St. David Horne's day
>BTW! :)
:-)
St. Ingomar. Never heard of him/her/it.
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy)
:
> December 12 is St. David Horne's day
>BTW! :)
:-)
St. Ingomar. Never heard of him/her/it.
--
Tim C.
Dec 22nd 2005, 3:29 am
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Re: The Turning of the Year
"Andy Pandy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
><geek alert>
>> Tomorrow the sun will rise a little earlier,
>Actually to be pedantic, it won't. The sun will carry on rising later each day
>for about another week or so.
Oh, I don't care. I'm more of an night person, anyway.
>> and set a little later --
>Which it has been doing for about a week or so already...
Isn't there a grand stretch in the evenings?
>This effect comes about due to the non-circular orbit of the earth, I think.
Bloody square orbits! They mess up poetic interpretations of the way
things are.
>Yesterday was indeed the shortest day, but the earliest sunset occures around
>the middle of December and the latest sunrise occurs about new year.
I probably won't be checking sunrise on new year's day.
></geek alert>
--
PB
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>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
><geek alert>
>> Tomorrow the sun will rise a little earlier,
>Actually to be pedantic, it won't. The sun will carry on rising later each day
>for about another week or so.
Oh, I don't care. I'm more of an night person, anyway.
>> and set a little later --
>Which it has been doing for about a week or so already...
Isn't there a grand stretch in the evenings?
>This effect comes about due to the non-circular orbit of the earth, I think.
Bloody square orbits! They mess up poetic interpretations of the way
things are.
>Yesterday was indeed the shortest day, but the earliest sunset occures around
>the middle of December and the latest sunrise occurs about new year.
I probably won't be checking sunrise on new year's day.
></geek alert>
--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED
Dec 22nd 2005, 7:28 am
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:00:11 +0000, Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]>
wrote:
<[email protected]>
>Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
>raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
Slainte!
(change Arabic number to Roman numeral to email)
wrote:
<[email protected]>
>Folks, we're on the way towards summer. Things are on the up, and I
>raise my glass to all of you and wish you the greetings of the season.
Slainte!
(change Arabic number to Roman numeral to email)
Dec 22nd 2005, 5:47 pm
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martin has always a funny question to ask
"Martin" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:37:00 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>> December 12 is St. David Horne's day
>>BTW! :)
> Martyred by a top posting flamer?
> --
> Martin
"Martin" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:37:00 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>> December 12 is St. David Horne's day
>>BTW! :)
> Martyred by a top posting flamer?
> --
> Martin
Dec 22nd 2005, 5:48 pm
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would martin be cochon ?
why not
"Martin" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:11:30 +0000, The Reid
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>Any excuse for a party will do.
> Chez Earl?
> --
> Martin
why not
"Martin" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:11:30 +0000, The Reid
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>Any excuse for a party will do.
> Chez Earl?
> --
> Martin
