Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule
Jul 31st 2006 | 3:11 am
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Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule
Hello all,
I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
body?
Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
Thanks
I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
body?
Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
Thanks
Jul 31st 2006 | 3:28 am
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Most do not allow any form of pod or flash.
However regulations against use of pods and flash are not always enforced in
the face of uncooperative tourist hordes, especcially those of the
adolescent variety.
However regulations against use of pods and flash are not always enforced in
the face of uncooperative tourist hordes, especcially those of the
adolescent variety.
Jul 31st 2006 | 3:37 am
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bmoag wrote:
> Most do not allow any form of pod or flash.
> However regulations against use of pods and flash are not always enforced in
> the face of uncooperative tourist hordes, especcially those of the
> adolescent variety.
Adolescents are not going to be the ones using tripods. It's the
professionals (or semi professionals) they are discouraging. It's not
possible to sneak a tripod or monopod into a museum if they don't allow
it.
> Most do not allow any form of pod or flash.
> However regulations against use of pods and flash are not always enforced in
> the face of uncooperative tourist hordes, especcially those of the
> adolescent variety.
Adolescents are not going to be the ones using tripods. It's the
professionals (or semi professionals) they are discouraging. It's not
possible to sneak a tripod or monopod into a museum if they don't allow
it.
Jul 31st 2006 | 3:42 am
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[email protected] wrote:
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
Doubt it - it's the insurance thing and the worries that someone will
fall and sue - they won't see the monopod as something different even
though if someone were to trip over it, they would also have their feet
inside your legs. Butr who knows - maybe they'll cut you a break -
especially during off peak hours.
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
I'd say you won't gain much - there is still movement from your heart
beat - if normal handheld with a 300mm requires 1/300 (or 1/250)
shutter speed, then maybe you gain 1 stop - 1/125 or maybe 1-1/2 stops
1/90 - but doubtful if any more than that - imagine a 300mm hand held -
you can get good results at 1/250 but 1/125 have given results with
obvious camera shake - how could the monopod give you good results at
1/60? 1/90 max.
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
Doubt it - it's the insurance thing and the worries that someone will
fall and sue - they won't see the monopod as something different even
though if someone were to trip over it, they would also have their feet
inside your legs. Butr who knows - maybe they'll cut you a break -
especially during off peak hours.
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
I'd say you won't gain much - there is still movement from your heart
beat - if normal handheld with a 300mm requires 1/300 (or 1/250)
shutter speed, then maybe you gain 1 stop - 1/125 or maybe 1-1/2 stops
1/90 - but doubtful if any more than that - imagine a 300mm hand held -
you can get good results at 1/250 but 1/125 have given results with
obvious camera shake - how could the monopod give you good results at
1/60? 1/90 max.
Jul 31st 2006 | 3:42 am
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hello all,
> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
This is true.
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
This varies a lot: in my experience in Italy it seems to be down to the
discretion (or caprice!?) of the person on duty at the time. The no-tripods
rule sems to be about not creating an obstruction, and if you use your
monopod unobtrusively and make sure that you don't get in the way of other
museum visitors, some if the time it will be allowed.
Sometimes museums will decide to let you use a tripod if they aren't busy,
and sometimes they won't. Sometimes they will if you pay a fee. It can be
worth asking.
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with
> monopods? ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held
> was shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
Depends a lot on your technique: a monopod should get you at least one
shutter-speed step slower than you would hand-hold, with practice maybe
three steps. Some claim four - but I wouldn't count on that.
All that said, much of the time in Italy I am photographing exteriors,
architecture, and landscapes. There are interior shots worth taking, but
often what is in museums are things I want to see, but a photograph would
be - for me - a 'record shot', not a picture of intrinsic (or, for me,
commercial) merit or artistic originality. So for these buying postcards is
just as good. Italian museums usually have a good range of very high
quality postcards for sale, and sometimes transparencies too, if you want to
project. The "Scala" series of guide books and monographs on particular
artists is also excellent, and beautifully illustrated.
Have fun,
Peter
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> Hello all,
> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
This is true.
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
This varies a lot: in my experience in Italy it seems to be down to the
discretion (or caprice!?) of the person on duty at the time. The no-tripods
rule sems to be about not creating an obstruction, and if you use your
monopod unobtrusively and make sure that you don't get in the way of other
museum visitors, some if the time it will be allowed.
Sometimes museums will decide to let you use a tripod if they aren't busy,
and sometimes they won't. Sometimes they will if you pay a fee. It can be
worth asking.
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with
> monopods? ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held
> was shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
Depends a lot on your technique: a monopod should get you at least one
shutter-speed step slower than you would hand-hold, with practice maybe
three steps. Some claim four - but I wouldn't count on that.
All that said, much of the time in Italy I am photographing exteriors,
architecture, and landscapes. There are interior shots worth taking, but
often what is in museums are things I want to see, but a photograph would
be - for me - a 'record shot', not a picture of intrinsic (or, for me,
commercial) merit or artistic originality. So for these buying postcards is
just as good. Italian museums usually have a good range of very high
quality postcards for sale, and sometimes transparencies too, if you want to
project. The "Scala" series of guide books and monographs on particular
artists is also excellent, and beautifully illustrated.
Have fun,
Peter
Jul 31st 2006 | 5:22 am
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Re: Tripods and monopods in Italian museums, monopod shutter speed rule
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> Hello all,
> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
> Thanks
One solution that has recently become available is to bring along a camera
with image stabilization. That might render the issue moot.
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> Hello all,
> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
> Thanks
One solution that has recently become available is to bring along a camera
with image stabilization. That might render the issue moot.
Jul 31st 2006 | 5:51 am
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Have never been in a museum that allowed either.
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Jul 31st 2006 | 7:21 am
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[email protected] wrote:
> Hello all,
> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
Some also do not allow any photography, with or without flash.
The Sistine Chapel is but one such example.
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
A definite "maybe". Personally, I'd not bother with it: for one
thing, its going to be crowded in season; for another, particualry if
you are using a small P&S, you can often get monopod-class support
simply by bracing the camera against the common lamp post, wall,
railing, etc.
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
Rule of thumb is that you can expect to gain +1 stop, with +2 stops
common but requiring good form. As such, the rule of thumb of 1/(focal
length of lens) for a 35mm goes from (~1/30sec) to (~1/15sec) for the
first stop, and to (~1/8sec) if the second stop is warranted by one's
technique.
And, as another poster has pointed out, Image Stabilization is another
option; gain by that approach is about the same, but is more compact
(less obtrusive). And particularly for digitals, another way to skin
the cat is to crank up the ISO to avoid slow shutters.
-hh
> Hello all,
> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
Some also do not allow any photography, with or without flash.
The Sistine Chapel is but one such example.
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
A definite "maybe". Personally, I'd not bother with it: for one
thing, its going to be crowded in season; for another, particualry if
you are using a small P&S, you can often get monopod-class support
simply by bracing the camera against the common lamp post, wall,
railing, etc.
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
Rule of thumb is that you can expect to gain +1 stop, with +2 stops
common but requiring good form. As such, the rule of thumb of 1/(focal
length of lens) for a 35mm goes from (~1/30sec) to (~1/15sec) for the
first stop, and to (~1/8sec) if the second stop is warranted by one's
technique.
And, as another poster has pointed out, Image Stabilization is another
option; gain by that approach is about the same, but is more compact
(less obtrusive). And particularly for digitals, another way to skin
the cat is to crank up the ISO to avoid slow shutters.
-hh
Jul 31st 2006 | 7:26 am
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On 31/07/2006 11:11 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
>
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
If you really must have one, play the physically-disabled card and get a
hiking pole with a camera screw mount on top. Affect a really nasty limp
and tell 'em you need the "cane" to be able to walk.
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
>
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
If you really must have one, play the physically-disabled card and get a
hiking pole with a camera screw mount on top. Affect a really nasty limp
and tell 'em you need the "cane" to be able to walk.
Jul 31st 2006 | 8:31 am
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> Hello all,
> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
> Thanks
My guess would be that the monopod would give you one extra f-stop. IOW, you
could get away with 1/2 as much shutterspeed due to the extra stability of a
monopod......
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> Hello all,
> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
> body?
> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
> Thanks
My guess would be that the monopod would give you one extra f-stop. IOW, you
could get away with 1/2 as much shutterspeed due to the extra stability of a
monopod......
Jul 31st 2006 | 8:33 am
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Doug Payne wrote:
> If you really must have one, play the physically-disabled card and get a
> hiking pole with a camera screw mount on top. Affect a really nasty limp
> and tell 'em you need the "cane" to be able to walk.
I was going to suggest the same thing - treat the monopod like a cane.
No one ever gives a person with a physical disability a hard time -
maybe throw an eye patch over your left eye to really play the pity
card.
> If you really must have one, play the physically-disabled card and get a
> hiking pole with a camera screw mount on top. Affect a really nasty limp
> and tell 'em you need the "cane" to be able to walk.
I was going to suggest the same thing - treat the monopod like a cane.
No one ever gives a person with a physical disability a hard time -
maybe throw an eye patch over your left eye to really play the pity
card.
Jul 31st 2006 | 8:35 am
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"PeterL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> bmoag wrote:
>> Most do not allow any form of pod or flash.
>> However regulations against use of pods and flash are not always enforced
>> in
>> the face of uncooperative tourist hordes, especcially those of the
>> adolescent variety.
> Adolescents are not going to be the ones using tripods. It's the
> professionals (or semi professionals) they are discouraging. It's not
> possible to sneak a tripod or monopod into a museum if they don't allow
> it.
Being 70, and a bit overweight, I would get a walking cane, and bolt a quick
release to the top, which would be covered by the palm of my hand when
walking.....Then, I could snap the camera to it and take the picture in a
few seconds, when the guards were looking elsewhere......
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> bmoag wrote:
>> Most do not allow any form of pod or flash.
>> However regulations against use of pods and flash are not always enforced
>> in
>> the face of uncooperative tourist hordes, especcially those of the
>> adolescent variety.
> Adolescents are not going to be the ones using tripods. It's the
> professionals (or semi professionals) they are discouraging. It's not
> possible to sneak a tripod or monopod into a museum if they don't allow
> it.
Being 70, and a bit overweight, I would get a walking cane, and bolt a quick
release to the top, which would be covered by the palm of my hand when
walking.....Then, I could snap the camera to it and take the picture in a
few seconds, when the guards were looking elsewhere......
Jul 31st 2006 | 8:43 am
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"-hh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
>> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
>> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
> Some also do not allow any photography, with or without flash.
> The Sistine Chapel is but one such example.
>> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
>> body?
> A definite "maybe". Personally, I'd not bother with it: for one
> thing, its going to be crowded in season; for another, particualry if
> you are using a small P&S, you can often get monopod-class support
> simply by bracing the camera against the common lamp post, wall,
> railing, etc.
>> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
>> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
>> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
> Rule of thumb is that you can expect to gain +1 stop, with +2 stops
> common but requiring good form. As such, the rule of thumb of 1/(focal
> length of lens) for a 35mm goes from (~1/30sec) to (~1/15sec) for the
> first stop, and to (~1/8sec) if the second stop is warranted by one's
> technique.
> And, as another poster has pointed out, Image Stabilization is another
> option; gain by that approach is about the same, but is more compact
> (less obtrusive). And particularly for digitals, another way to skin
> the cat is to crank up the ISO to avoid slow shutters.
My father used to tie a string to the bottom of his camera, and then pull up
slightly on it while stepping on the bottom of the string....This gives you
a little added stability........
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> [email protected] wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
>> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
>> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
> Some also do not allow any photography, with or without flash.
> The Sistine Chapel is but one such example.
>> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
>> body?
> A definite "maybe". Personally, I'd not bother with it: for one
> thing, its going to be crowded in season; for another, particualry if
> you are using a small P&S, you can often get monopod-class support
> simply by bracing the camera against the common lamp post, wall,
> railing, etc.
>> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with monopods?
>> ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand held was
>> shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
> Rule of thumb is that you can expect to gain +1 stop, with +2 stops
> common but requiring good form. As such, the rule of thumb of 1/(focal
> length of lens) for a 35mm goes from (~1/30sec) to (~1/15sec) for the
> first stop, and to (~1/8sec) if the second stop is warranted by one's
> technique.
> And, as another poster has pointed out, Image Stabilization is another
> option; gain by that approach is about the same, but is more compact
> (less obtrusive). And particularly for digitals, another way to skin
> the cat is to crank up the ISO to avoid slow shutters.
My father used to tie a string to the bottom of his camera, and then pull up
slightly on it while stepping on the bottom of the string....This gives you
a little added stability........
Jul 31st 2006 | 8:44 am
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Hello, jeremy!
You wrote on Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:22:21 GMT:
j> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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??>> Hello all,
??>>
??>> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
??>> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
??>>
??>> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
??>>
??>> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand
??>> close to the body?
??>>
??>> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with
??>> monopods? ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand
??>> held was shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
??>>
??>> Thanks
??>>
With a monopod, I'd think that 1/10 to 1/15 second should be
quite usable. As others have mentioned, image stabilization will
help in cases where no form of support is allowed and it is
becoming available even for pocket cameras. Another technique
that is available with Nikons is the "Museum Setting": no flash,
take an automatic series of pictures and keep the sharpest. I am
surprised at how often this produces good results! I also have a
pocket tripod with 8 inch bendable legs that I can often get
away with resting on a bench. In default of a cable release, I
use the self timer.
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
E-mail, with obvious anti-spam: not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not
You wrote on Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:22:21 GMT:
j> <[email protected]> wrote in message
j>
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??>> Hello all,
??>>
??>> I'm off to Italy for a week in August.
??>> My camera equipment and tripod will come with me.
??>>
??>> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
??>>
??>> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand
??>> close to the body?
??>>
??>> Also, does anyone know a shutter speed rule to use with
??>> monopods? ie. at 100 ISO, the old 35mm standard for hand
??>> held was shutterspeed = 1/focal length of lense.
??>>
??>> Thanks
??>>
With a monopod, I'd think that 1/10 to 1/15 second should be
quite usable. As others have mentioned, image stabilization will
help in cases where no form of support is allowed and it is
becoming available even for pocket cameras. Another technique
that is available with Nikons is the "Museum Setting": no flash,
take an automatic series of pictures and keep the sharpest. I am
surprised at how often this produces good results! I also have a
pocket tripod with 8 inch bendable legs that I can often get
away with resting on a bench. In default of a cable release, I
use the self timer.
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
E-mail, with obvious anti-spam: not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not
Jul 31st 2006 | 8:52 am
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"Doug Payne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 31/07/2006 11:11 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
>> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
>> body?
> If you really must have one, play the physically-disabled card and get a
> hiking pole with a camera screw mount on top. Affect a really nasty limp
> and tell 'em you need the "cane" to be able to walk.
Why walk? - Have a "nurse" wheel you through the museum in a special
wheelchair that has your camera mounted inside one of the electronic, "life
support" boxes attached to the chair....She can carry spare film cartridges
inside her, "first aid kit"......
Just how bad do you want these pictures, anyway?
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> On 31/07/2006 11:11 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> I've read that a lot of museums will not allow tripods.
>> If this is the case, will they allow monopods, that stand close to the
>> body?
> If you really must have one, play the physically-disabled card and get a
> hiking pole with a camera screw mount on top. Affect a really nasty limp
> and tell 'em you need the "cane" to be able to walk.
Why walk? - Have a "nurse" wheel you through the museum in a special
wheelchair that has your camera mounted inside one of the electronic, "life
support" boxes attached to the chair....She can carry spare film cartridges
inside her, "first aid kit"......
Just how bad do you want these pictures, anyway?
