travelling with multiple passports (i.e. dual citizen)
Jul 18th 2002 | 2:20 am
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travelling with multiple passports (i.e. dual citizen)
Hi,
I don't want to start a furious debate about whether you can have two passports of
the same country, etc, etc, etc....
I'm a dual New ZEaland-South Korean citizen on a semi-RTW tour. I'm touring Europe
and then going into the US from London. The itenerary so far looks like: Auckland ->
London -> Scotland -> Eastern Europe -> Contiki Western Europe -> England -> New York
(something like this).
My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand passport - no
way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much better to travel
with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most Eastern European
countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair, then use European East
pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
Is it technically possible to enter Britain with New Zealand passport, then travel
with South Korean passport (which would save a lot of money + hassles)?
Also, I think my Korean passport is like, brand new. Actually, that's not true. I
have some stamps and etc on them.... But it has never travelled (poor thing.)
And if anybody has better ideas re: transport in Eastern Europe than I just
described, please help me!
Serena
I don't want to start a furious debate about whether you can have two passports of
the same country, etc, etc, etc....
I'm a dual New ZEaland-South Korean citizen on a semi-RTW tour. I'm touring Europe
and then going into the US from London. The itenerary so far looks like: Auckland ->
London -> Scotland -> Eastern Europe -> Contiki Western Europe -> England -> New York
(something like this).
My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand passport - no
way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much better to travel
with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most Eastern European
countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair, then use European East
pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
Is it technically possible to enter Britain with New Zealand passport, then travel
with South Korean passport (which would save a lot of money + hassles)?
Also, I think my Korean passport is like, brand new. Actually, that's not true. I
have some stamps and etc on them.... But it has never travelled (poor thing.)
And if anybody has better ideas re: transport in Eastern Europe than I just
described, please help me!
Serena
Jul 18th 2002 | 2:31 am
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Re: travelling with multiple passports (i.e. dual citizen)
No worries. You can carry 2 passports, if you are allowed by your countries of citizenship to hold 2 passports. Some people, eg citizens of a country where there is military service who have acquired through citizenship a second passport, do this frequently when visiting 'mother' country to avoid any risk of being grabbed and forced to do military service in the old country!
You DON'T produce both passports at passport control, just the one of your choice. But you would normally need to produce the same passport at exit as at entry to a country.
You can fly from Scotland, exiting passport control with your NZ passport, then enter E Europe, producing your S Korean passport at entry there.
What you propose doing is perfectly legal.
All the best
You DON'T produce both passports at passport control, just the one of your choice. But you would normally need to produce the same passport at exit as at entry to a country.
You can fly from Scotland, exiting passport control with your NZ passport, then enter E Europe, producing your S Korean passport at entry there.
What you propose doing is perfectly legal.
All the best
Jul 18th 2002 | 3:20 am
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Serena wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't want to start a furious debate about whether you can have two passports of
> the same country, etc, etc, etc....
>
> I'm a dual New ZEaland-South Korean citizen on a semi-RTW tour. I'm touring Europe
> and then going into the US from London. The itenerary so far looks like: Auckland
> -> London -> Scotland -> Eastern Europe -> Contiki Western Europe -> England -> New
> York (something like this).
>
> My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand passport -
> no way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much better to
> travel with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most Eastern European
> countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair, then use European
> East pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
>
> Is it technically possible to enter Britain with New Zealand passport, then travel
> with South Korean passport (which would save a lot of money + hassles)?
>
> Also, I think my Korean passport is like, brand new. Actually, that's not true. I
> have some stamps and etc on them.... But it has never travelled (poor thing.)
>
> And if anybody has better ideas re: transport in Eastern Europe than I just
> described, please help me!
Nothing wrong with traveling with multiple passports. As long as you ener and leave
each country on the same one. (For countries with exit control.)
In some cases it's actually unavoidable. Most countries expect their own citizen to
enter as such. So, my wife, who has a Canadian and a Brazilian passport (plus maybe a
couple more if she would insist upon renewing them), has to leave Canada as a
Canadian and enter Brazil as a Brazilian.
And no, it's not a problem.
This said, I have a hard time believing a Korean passport might be better than a NZ
one anywhere except in Korea...
> Hi,
>
> I don't want to start a furious debate about whether you can have two passports of
> the same country, etc, etc, etc....
>
> I'm a dual New ZEaland-South Korean citizen on a semi-RTW tour. I'm touring Europe
> and then going into the US from London. The itenerary so far looks like: Auckland
> -> London -> Scotland -> Eastern Europe -> Contiki Western Europe -> England -> New
> York (something like this).
>
> My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand passport -
> no way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much better to
> travel with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most Eastern European
> countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair, then use European
> East pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
>
> Is it technically possible to enter Britain with New Zealand passport, then travel
> with South Korean passport (which would save a lot of money + hassles)?
>
> Also, I think my Korean passport is like, brand new. Actually, that's not true. I
> have some stamps and etc on them.... But it has never travelled (poor thing.)
>
> And if anybody has better ideas re: transport in Eastern Europe than I just
> described, please help me!
Nothing wrong with traveling with multiple passports. As long as you ener and leave
each country on the same one. (For countries with exit control.)
In some cases it's actually unavoidable. Most countries expect their own citizen to
enter as such. So, my wife, who has a Canadian and a Brazilian passport (plus maybe a
couple more if she would insist upon renewing them), has to leave Canada as a
Canadian and enter Brazil as a Brazilian.
And no, it's not a problem.
This said, I have a hard time believing a Korean passport might be better than a NZ
one anywhere except in Korea...
Jul 18th 2002 | 3:20 am
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On 18 Jul 2002 06:46:37 -0700, [email protected] (Serena) wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I don't want to start a furious debate about whether you can have two passports of
>>the same country, etc, etc, etc....
>>
>>I'm a dual New ZEaland-South Korean citizen on a semi-RTW tour. I'm touring Europe
>>and then going into the US from London. The itenerary so far looks like: Auckland
>>-> London -> Scotland -> Eastern Europe -> Contiki Western Europe -> England -> New
>>York (something like this).
I hold both a UK and USA Passport. I NEVER have to queue at immigration when entering
either country.
Coming into London Stansted? Fixed price Taxi to Central London
http://www.airport-transfers-uk.com
>>Hi,
>>
>>I don't want to start a furious debate about whether you can have two passports of
>>the same country, etc, etc, etc....
>>
>>I'm a dual New ZEaland-South Korean citizen on a semi-RTW tour. I'm touring Europe
>>and then going into the US from London. The itenerary so far looks like: Auckland
>>-> London -> Scotland -> Eastern Europe -> Contiki Western Europe -> England -> New
>>York (something like this).
I hold both a UK and USA Passport. I NEVER have to queue at immigration when entering
either country.
Coming into London Stansted? Fixed price Taxi to Central London
http://www.airport-transfers-uk.com
Jul 18th 2002 | 5:20 am
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"newstartnz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> No worries. You can carry 2 passports, if you are allowed by your countries of
> citizenship to hold 2 passports. Some people, eg citizens of a country where there
> is military service who have acquired through citizenship a second passport, do
> this frequently when visiting 'mother' country to avoid any risk of being grabbed
> and forced to do military service in the old country!
>
> You DON'T produce both passports at passport control, just the one of your choice.
> But you would normally need to produce the same passport at exit as at entry to a
> country.
>
> You can fly from Scotland, exiting passport control with your NZ passport, then
> enter E Europe, producing your S Korean passport at entry there.
>
> What you propose doing is perfectly legal.
>
I'll back that up - I have several friends who swap passports during flights to
Central Europe. I'd also stress that a lot of those places like to see an entry stamp
when you leave - so stick to the one passport once you get there.
news:[email protected]...
> No worries. You can carry 2 passports, if you are allowed by your countries of
> citizenship to hold 2 passports. Some people, eg citizens of a country where there
> is military service who have acquired through citizenship a second passport, do
> this frequently when visiting 'mother' country to avoid any risk of being grabbed
> and forced to do military service in the old country!
>
> You DON'T produce both passports at passport control, just the one of your choice.
> But you would normally need to produce the same passport at exit as at entry to a
> country.
>
> You can fly from Scotland, exiting passport control with your NZ passport, then
> enter E Europe, producing your S Korean passport at entry there.
>
> What you propose doing is perfectly legal.
>
I'll back that up - I have several friends who swap passports during flights to
Central Europe. I'd also stress that a lot of those places like to see an entry stamp
when you leave - so stick to the one passport once you get there.
Jul 18th 2002 | 6:20 am
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In message <[email protected]> , Serena
<[email protected]> writes
>My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand passport - no
>way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much better to
>travel with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most Eastern European
>countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair, then use European
>East pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
I'm a little surprised that a S. Korean passport offers advantages over a NZ one in
Central Europe (in the old days maybe a N. Korean one would have!), but I'll
believe you.
>Is it technically possible to enter Britain with New Zealand passport, then travel
>with South Korean passport (which would save a lot of money
>+ hassles)?
No problem. The UK government doesn't care what passport you use to leave the country
- they stopped checking outgoing passports 5 or 6 years ago. It's perfectly
legitimate to use any passport you're entitled to hold, as long as you use a
country's own passport when you cross its own borders.
--
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<[email protected]> writes
>My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand passport - no
>way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much better to
>travel with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most Eastern European
>countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair, then use European
>East pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
I'm a little surprised that a S. Korean passport offers advantages over a NZ one in
Central Europe (in the old days maybe a N. Korean one would have!), but I'll
believe you.
>Is it technically possible to enter Britain with New Zealand passport, then travel
>with South Korean passport (which would save a lot of money
>+ hassles)?
No problem. The UK government doesn't care what passport you use to leave the country
- they stopped checking outgoing passports 5 or 6 years ago. It's perfectly
legitimate to use any passport you're entitled to hold, as long as you use a
country's own passport when you cross its own borders.
--
Arwel Parry http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/
Jul 18th 2002 | 6:20 am
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"newstartnz" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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> No worries. You can carry 2 passports, if you are allowed by your countries of
> citizenship to hold 2 passports. Some people, eg citizens of a country where there
> is military service who have acquired through citizenship a second passport, do
> this frequently when visiting 'mother' country to avoid any risk of being grabbed
> and forced to do military service in the old country!
>
> You DON'T produce both passports at passport control, just the one of your choice.
> But you would normally need to produce the same passport at exit as at entry to a
> country.
>
> You can fly from Scotland, exiting passport control with your NZ passport,
No exit control when leaving the UK.
Sjoerd
news:[email protected]...
> No worries. You can carry 2 passports, if you are allowed by your countries of
> citizenship to hold 2 passports. Some people, eg citizens of a country where there
> is military service who have acquired through citizenship a second passport, do
> this frequently when visiting 'mother' country to avoid any risk of being grabbed
> and forced to do military service in the old country!
>
> You DON'T produce both passports at passport control, just the one of your choice.
> But you would normally need to produce the same passport at exit as at entry to a
> country.
>
> You can fly from Scotland, exiting passport control with your NZ passport,
No exit control when leaving the UK.
Sjoerd
Jul 18th 2002 | 7:02 am
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No exit CONTROL perhaps but you do need to flash your passport as you exit UK thru passport point, in theory I guess they could pick out dodgy looking people/ passports and run a computer check, maybe would be better to wield the passport with your entry stamp in it
Jul 18th 2002 | 7:20 am
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Serena <[email protected]> wrote:
> My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand passport -
> no way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much better to
> travel with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most Eastern European
> countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair, then use European
> East pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
>
> Is it technically possible to enter Britain with New Zealand passport, then travel
> with South Korean passport (which would save a lot of money + hassles)?
One simple rule:
Exit a country with the same passport that you entered with.
Other than that, go wild.
By "exit" and "enter", I mean when you're dealing with the official government
passport inspectors. You may show something entirely different (or both) to the
airline checkin people if they want to be sure you have the right for visa-free entry
to your destination.
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> My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand passport -
> no way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much better to
> travel with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most Eastern European
> countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair, then use European
> East pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
>
> Is it technically possible to enter Britain with New Zealand passport, then travel
> with South Korean passport (which would save a lot of money + hassles)?
One simple rule:
Exit a country with the same passport that you entered with.
Other than that, go wild.
By "exit" and "enter", I mean when you're dealing with the official government
passport inspectors. You may show something entirely different (or both) to the
airline checkin people if they want to be sure you have the right for visa-free entry
to your destination.
miguel
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Jul 18th 2002 | 7:20 am
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Parden my ignorance....but why do you have to enter the US with the New Zealand
passport, and why is a S. Korean passport better for Eastern Europe?
I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious...
"> My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand
> passport - no way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much
> better to travel with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most
> Eastern European countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair,
> then use European East pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
passport, and why is a S. Korean passport better for Eastern Europe?
I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious...
"> My predicament is this: I HAVE to enter United States with New Zealand
> passport - no way of getting around that. However, South Korean passports are much
> better to travel with in Eastern Europe, with visa-free agreements with most
> Eastern European countries. Right now I plan to fly into Salzburg with Ryanair,
> then use European East pass to look around Czech, Poland, and Hungary.
Jul 18th 2002 | 8:21 am
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:04:51 +0100, Arwel Parry <[email protected]> wrote:
but then again I might just have mucked up the snipping as usual!
> It's perfectly legitimate to use any passport you're entitled to hold, as long as
> you use a country's own passport when you cross its own borders.
Not technically always the case. It depends on the rules of the country concerned.
I have dual UK/NZ citizenship but haven't renewed my NZ passport since it last
expired. NZ has no problem with me entering on a UK (or any other) passport, but I
either have to abide by the rules as they apply to UK citizens (visa waiver type
scheme, max 6 month stay) or regularise myself before my visa is up (go to
immigration office and say "oy, I'm a NZ citizen, here's my passport" or "oy, etc,
can I have a returning residents visa in my British passport please"). At least ,
according to the woman I spoke to at the High Commission in London.
On my last trip I was only there three weeks, so I went in and out on my UK passport
no problems.
Megan
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but then again I might just have mucked up the snipping as usual!
> It's perfectly legitimate to use any passport you're entitled to hold, as long as
> you use a country's own passport when you cross its own borders.
Not technically always the case. It depends on the rules of the country concerned.
I have dual UK/NZ citizenship but haven't renewed my NZ passport since it last
expired. NZ has no problem with me entering on a UK (or any other) passport, but I
either have to abide by the rules as they apply to UK citizens (visa waiver type
scheme, max 6 month stay) or regularise myself before my visa is up (go to
immigration office and say "oy, I'm a NZ citizen, here's my passport" or "oy, etc,
can I have a returning residents visa in my British passport please"). At least ,
according to the woman I spoke to at the High Commission in London.
On my last trip I was only there three weeks, so I went in and out on my UK passport
no problems.
Megan
--
Megan Farr Montgomery
Lille kat, lille kat, lille kat på vejen Hvis er du, Hvis er du Jeg er sgu' min egen
- Piet Hein
Jul 18th 2002 | 8:21 am
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:18:09 GMT, "Sarah Banick" <[email protected]> wrote: but
then again I might just have mucked up the snipping as usual!
>Parden my ignorance....but why do you have to enter the US with the New Zealand
>passport, and why is a S. Korean passport better for Eastern Europe?
>
>I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious...
Not the OP, but I am guessing that the reason is that there are visa waiver schemes
that make one or other preferably. Before NZ was in the visa waiver scheme with the
US, I always used my British passport there.
Megan
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Megan Farr Montgomery
Lille kat, lille kat, lille kat på vejen Hvis er du, Hvis er du Jeg er sgu' min egen
- Piet Hein
then again I might just have mucked up the snipping as usual!
>Parden my ignorance....but why do you have to enter the US with the New Zealand
>passport, and why is a S. Korean passport better for Eastern Europe?
>
>I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious...
Not the OP, but I am guessing that the reason is that there are visa waiver schemes
that make one or other preferably. Before NZ was in the visa waiver scheme with the
US, I always used my British passport there.
Megan
--
Megan Farr Montgomery
Lille kat, lille kat, lille kat på vejen Hvis er du, Hvis er du Jeg er sgu' min egen
- Piet Hein
Jul 18th 2002 | 9:20 am
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"Megan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:18:09 GMT, "Sarah Banick" <[email protected]> wrote:
> but then again I might just have mucked up the snipping as usual!
> >Parden my ignorance....but why do you have to enter the US with the New Zealand
> >passport, and why is a S. Korean passport better for Eastern
Europe?
> >
> >I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious...
>
> Not the OP, but I am guessing that the reason is that there are visa waiver schemes
> that make one or other preferably. Before NZ was in the visa waiver scheme with the
> US, I always used my British passport there.
>
bang on - it'll be because of the OZ/NZ attitude to migrants / refugees / 'green
refugees' (as they are sometimes known), and common recognition of waivers. It wasn't
so long ago that SK needed advance visa for UK nationals, although they now get
second longest stay to CZ nationals.
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:18:09 GMT, "Sarah Banick" <[email protected]> wrote:
> but then again I might just have mucked up the snipping as usual!
> >Parden my ignorance....but why do you have to enter the US with the New Zealand
> >passport, and why is a S. Korean passport better for Eastern
Europe?
> >
> >I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious...
>
> Not the OP, but I am guessing that the reason is that there are visa waiver schemes
> that make one or other preferably. Before NZ was in the visa waiver scheme with the
> US, I always used my British passport there.
>
bang on - it'll be because of the OZ/NZ attitude to migrants / refugees / 'green
refugees' (as they are sometimes known), and common recognition of waivers. It wasn't
so long ago that SK needed advance visa for UK nationals, although they now get
second longest stay to CZ nationals.
Jul 18th 2002 | 10:20 am
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"newstartnz" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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> No exit CONTROL perhaps but you do need to flash your passport as you exit UK thru
> passport point,
In my experience since 1996 or such, there is no "exit UK passport point". No need to
"flash" your passport (or anything else
) ) to anybody.
Sjoerd
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> No exit CONTROL perhaps but you do need to flash your passport as you exit UK thru
> passport point,
In my experience since 1996 or such, there is no "exit UK passport point". No need to
"flash" your passport (or anything else
) ) to anybody.Sjoerd
Jul 18th 2002 | 12:20 pm
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newstartnz wrote:
>
> You can fly from Scotland, exiting passport control with your NZ passport, then
> enter E Europe, producing your S Korean passport at entry there.
>
It's been years since I've had my passport checked on leaving Scotland, or any other
part of the UK - except, of course for the airlines, who will need to see that you
are entitled to be in the country you're heading to.
>
> You can fly from Scotland, exiting passport control with your NZ passport, then
> enter E Europe, producing your S Korean passport at entry there.
>
It's been years since I've had my passport checked on leaving Scotland, or any other
part of the UK - except, of course for the airlines, who will need to see that you
are entitled to be in the country you're heading to.
