-Martin

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:17:23 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>
>David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> []
>> > Somebody posted a photo of a sign saying BARA AIRPORT KEEP OFF THE BEACH IF
>> > THERE IS WINDSOCK. I tried to find the photo but couldn't.
>>
>> You'll get it as the first hit if you enter that wording, but spell the
>> place correctly!
>
>and leave off "there is windsock" like I did when I clipped what you
>wrote!

I did. The first hit photo isn't the one I had in mind, another is but a very
small version of it.
--

Martin

The Reid

Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> You'll get it as the first hit if you enter that wording, but spell the
>> place correctly!
>
>and leave off "there is windsock" like I did when I clipped what you
>wrote!

"http://www.hial.co.uk/barra-airport.html"
"http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/barra2.htm"
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Mike
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David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:15:19 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >[]
> >> Somebody posted a photo of a sign saying BARA AIRPORT KEEP OFF THE
> >> BEACH IF THERE IS WINDSOCK. I tried to find the photo but couldn't.
> >
> >You'll get it as the first hit if you enter that wording, but spell the
> >place correctly!
>
> http://www.scotcycle.co.uk/images%20...ra-Airport.jpg
>
> :-)
>
> Am I the only person able to use Geoportail here?

I can use it, but don't have much need to at the moment.

> If you are interested in walking in Scotland, there is a repeat of a good
> program on TV tonight.

I'll be in almost the northernly most tip of Scotland tomorrow!

By the way, I'm now thinking I really should have bought the 'yearly
pass' for York Minster, as I'll be working more that way for a while...


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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >> You'll get it as the first hit if you enter that wording, but spell the
> >> place correctly!
> >
> >and leave off "there is windsock" like I did when I clipped what you
> >wrote!
>
[...]
> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/barra2.htm"

I thought it was going to be one of your excellent photographs, not a
reminder of how people are crazy if they consider flight simulator
anything other than a computer game...


--
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Martin

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:36:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:15:19 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >[]
>> >> Somebody posted a photo of a sign saying BARA AIRPORT KEEP OFF THE
>> >> BEACH IF THERE IS WINDSOCK. I tried to find the photo but couldn't.
>> >
>> >You'll get it as the first hit if you enter that wording, but spell the
>> >place correctly!
>>
>> http://www.scotcycle.co.uk/images%20...ra-Airport.jpg
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Am I the only person able to use Geoportail here?
>
>I can use it, but don't have much need to at the moment.

Tim seems to have given up. I was hoping we would discuss all the causeways that
lead nowhere.

Often they are like the desert drawings in Peru, the stones have been removed.

>
>> If you are interested in walking in Scotland, there is a repeat of a good
>> program on TV tonight.
>
>I'll be in almost the northernly most tip of Scotland tomorrow!

Watch out for specks of plutonium in your sandals.

I watched the documentary about Dounreay Fast Breeder Reactor on BBC4 last
night. A really excellent documentary, odd that they showed it so late
>
>By the way, I'm now thinking I really should have bought the 'yearly
>pass' for York Minster, as I'll be working more that way for a while...
>

It's not too late to buy one.
--

Martin

The Reid

Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/barra2.htm"
>
>I thought it was going to be one of your excellent photographs,

dont have good one of Barra

>not a reminder of how people are crazy if they consider flight simulator
>anything other than a computer game...

not sure "game" is right, its a simulation. A good one (if not for
pilot training) with a vast database of planes and landscape
available.
compare real thing with FS9:-
"http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/index.htm"
anybody who knows Scafell will recognise the paths here:-
"http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/tigermoth.htm"
and thats the older low res scenery without active weather (with
active weather you see bugger all in ELD :-)

compare London:-
"http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/towerbridge.htm"
"http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/londoncity2.htm"


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David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
[]
> >not a reminder of how people are crazy if they consider flight simulator
> >anything other than a computer game...
>
> not sure "game" is right, its a simulation. A good one (if not for
> pilot training) with a vast database of planes and landscape
> available.

Exactly, it's not a simulation of flying- anymore than zooming out of
google earth is a simulation of taking off in the space shuttle looking
out the back!

> compare real thing with FS9:-
> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/index.htm"
> anybody who knows Scafell will recognise the paths here:-
> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/tigermoth.htm"

And anybody who has seen a cartoon will recognise it as a graphic.

> and thats the older low res scenery without active weather (with
> active weather you see bugger all in ELD :-)
>
> compare London:-
> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/towerbridge.htm"
> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/londoncity2.htm"

Yes- awful. Great for a game, but that's it.

--
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Martin

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:51:38 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> (*)) wrote:
>[]
>> >not a reminder of how people are crazy if they consider flight simulator
>> >anything other than a computer game...
>>
>> not sure "game" is right, its a simulation. A good one (if not for
>> pilot training) with a vast database of planes and landscape
>> available.

Join Mixi and Berty the Bunyip on rec.aviation.piloting for an in depth
discussion.

MS FS simulation of a small plane is nothing like the feeling of flying a small
plane.

I've done both.

>
>Exactly, it's not a simulation of flying- anymore than zooming out of
>google earth is a simulation of taking off in the space shuttle looking
>out the back!
>
>> compare real thing with FS9:-
>> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/index.htm"
>> anybody who knows Scafell will recognise the paths here:-
>> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/tigermoth.htm"
>
>And anybody who has seen a cartoon will recognise it as a graphic.

Yeah? Where's Tom & Gerry?
>
>> and thats the older low res scenery without active weather (with
>> active weather you see bugger all in ELD :-)
>>
>> compare London:-
>> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/towerbridge.htm"
>> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/londoncity2.htm"
>
>Yes- awful. Great for a game, but that's it.

It's almost a pity that Mixi spends his time having his head smacked with a wet
haddock by real pilots nowadays.
--

Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:51:38 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> >> (*)) wrote:
> >[]
> >> >not a reminder of how people are crazy if they consider flight simulator
> >> >anything other than a computer game...
> >>
> >> not sure "game" is right, its a simulation. A good one (if not for
> >> pilot training) with a vast database of planes and landscape
> >> available.
>
> Join Mixi and Berty the Bunyip on rec.aviation.piloting for an in depth
> discussion.
>
> MS FS simulation of a small plane is nothing like the feeling of flying a
> small plane.
>
> I've done both.

If you count FS from 1993, then so have I. (An hour's flying lesson
from EDI in the late 80s)

[]
> It's almost a pity that Mixi spends his time having his head smacked with
> a wet haddock by real pilots nowadays.

There might be a newsgroup out there where Mixi doesn't have that
effect... but I doubt it.

--
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Martin

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:05:59 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:51:38 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> >> (*)) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >not a reminder of how people are crazy if they consider flight simulator
>> >> >anything other than a computer game...
>> >>
>> >> not sure "game" is right, its a simulation. A good one (if not for
>> >> pilot training) with a vast database of planes and landscape
>> >> available.
>>
>> Join Mixi and Berty the Bunyip on rec.aviation.piloting for an in depth
>> discussion.
>>
>> MS FS simulation of a small plane is nothing like the feeling of flying a
>> small plane.
>>
>> I've done both.
>
>If you count FS from 1993, then so have I.

I was thinking of a little bit later :-)

>(An hour's flying lesson
>from EDI in the late 80s)

8 hours from a WWII Luftwaffe fighter pilot in a Piper Cherokee 140 in
California.
I enjoyed the tips of what to do with Russian fighters diving out of the sun and
the easiest way to shoot down US bombers "so much easier than RAF crewed
bombers, but I preferred sailing.

>
>[]
>> It's almost a pity that Mixi spends his time having his head smacked with
>> a wet haddock by real pilots nowadays.
>
>There might be a newsgroup out there where Mixi doesn't have that
>effect... but I doubt it.

He has really picked the wrong one this time unless he is a masochist.
--

Martin

The Reid

Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> not sure "game" is right, its a simulation. A good one (if not for
>> pilot training) with a vast database of planes and landscape
>> available.
>
>Exactly, it's not a simulation of flying- anymore than zooming out of
>google earth is a simulation of taking off in the space shuttle looking
>out the back!

of course its a simulation of flying, just not a pilot training one

>> compare real thing with FS9:-
>> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/index.htm"
>> anybody who knows Scafell will recognise the paths here:-
>> "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/tigermoth.htm"
>
>And anybody who has seen a cartoon will recognise it as a graphic.

obviously
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Mike
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The Reid

Following up to The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

>>And anybody who has seen a cartoon will recognise it as a graphic.
>
>obviously

actually as you are being snooty about it, ill point out it *is* a
photo, that's why its so realistic. A photo laid over a detailed radar
height survey
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Mike
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David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >> not sure "game" is right, its a simulation. A good one (if not for
> >> pilot training) with a vast database of planes and landscape
> >> available.
> >
> >Exactly, it's not a simulation of flying- anymore than zooming out of
> >google earth is a simulation of taking off in the space shuttle looking
> >out the back!
>
> of course its a simulation of flying, just not a pilot training one

It's not a simulation of flying, any more than looking at a porn film is
a simulation of sex. I mean that quite seriously, and I think when you
think about it, you'll see why. I've got nothing against Microsoft FS by
the way- I'm sure it's great fun. Even the one I played with in 2003 was
enjoyable, and the graphics were _much_ more rudimentary then.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

David Horne

The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> Following up to The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>And anybody who has seen a cartoon will recognise it as a graphic.
> >
> >obviously
>
> actually as you are being snooty about it, ill point out it *is* a
> photo, that's why its so realistic.

Who said it was realistic? Not me. Fly from Kirkwall to Sumburgh in a
real aircraft, and compare it with the "photos" used in FS.

Given you're a photographer, it's hard not to laugh at that.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Martin

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:47:18 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Following up to [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
>> (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> not sure "game" is right, its a simulation. A good one (if not for
>> >> pilot training) with a vast database of planes and landscape
>> >> available.
>> >
>> >Exactly, it's not a simulation of flying- anymore than zooming out of
>> >google earth is a simulation of taking off in the space shuttle looking
>> >out the back!
>>
>> of course its a simulation of flying, just not a pilot training one
>
>It's not a simulation of flying, any more than looking at a porn film is
>a simulation of sex. I mean that quite seriously, and I think when you
>think about it, you'll see why. I've got nothing against Microsoft FS by
>the way- I'm sure it's great fun. Even the one I played with in 2003 was
>enjoyable, and the graphics were _much_ more rudimentary then.

Some of the aerial combat games/simulators were much more fun and more
realistic. At least one was a real combat aircraft simulator adapted to run on a
PC. No driving over fields and up the side of mountains like I could do with the
demo version of the current MS FS.
--

Martin