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Studying Abroad...please help with VISA issues

Old Oct 20th 2004, 2:44 pm
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NYUStudent123
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I will be studying abroad at NYU in London next semester. Since I'm a non-
US Citizen, but an American Permanent Resident, I will need a visa to the
UK.

Could someone please answer this question that my University (NYU) doesn't
know how to answer from the UK's visa application*:
- Please give any conditions the institution has placed on accepting you.

Some questions:
- What are the instances that I will denied a visa?
- When should I apply for a visa--my arrival in London is January 12th--so
won't the visa expire six months from, let's say the day it is issued is
November 1st, November, so April?
- I'd like to visit other countries in Europe--what are the other visas I
need? Is it true that as long as I have a visa in one European Union (EU)
country, I can freely move from an EU-member country to another?

Thanks so much for all your help.



*The British Consulate still hasn't gotten back to me yet and I'm having
difficulty speaking to an actual person at the consulate--their phone
system is automated. Any suggestions as to how I could contact
them...please advise.
 
Old Oct 20th 2004, 3:08 pm
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Jim Ley
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On 21 Oct 2004 02:44:58 GMT, NYUStudent123 <@nyu.edu> wrote:

    >I will be studying abroad at NYU in London next semester. Since I'm a non-
    >US Citizen, but an American Permanent Resident, I will need a visa to the
    >UK.
    >Could someone please answer this question that my University (NYU) doesn't
    >know how to answer from the UK's visa application*:
    >- Please give any conditions the institution has placed on accepting you.

This is if you have a conditional offer of the university place, say
they will only accept you onto the course if you pass an exam, or
maintain certain grades or something - if it's just organised and
you're there, then there's nothing to put there.

    >- I'd like to visit other countries in Europe--what are the other visas I
    >need? Is it true that as long as I have a visa in one European Union (EU)
    >country, I can freely move from an EU-member country to another?

No, For a lot of the rest of Europe you can get a single Schengen visa
which will let you visit them all, but this doesn't apply to the UK.

Jim.
 
Old Oct 20th 2004, 10:30 pm
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Alec
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"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On 21 Oct 2004 02:44:58 GMT, NYUStudent123 <@nyu.edu> wrote:
    >>I will be studying abroad at NYU in London next semester. Since I'm a non-
    >>US Citizen, but an American Permanent Resident, I will need a visa to the
    >>UK.
    >>Could someone please answer this question that my University (NYU) doesn't
    >>know how to answer from the UK's visa application*:
    >>- Please give any conditions the institution has placed on accepting you.
    > This is if you have a conditional offer of the university place, say
    > they will only accept you onto the course if you pass an exam, or
    > maintain certain grades or something - if it's just organised and
    > you're there, then there's nothing to put there.
    >>- I'd like to visit other countries in Europe--what are the other visas I
    >>need? Is it true that as long as I have a visa in one European Union (EU)
    >>country, I can freely move from an EU-member country to another?
    > No, For a lot of the rest of Europe you can get a single Schengen visa
    > which will let you visit them all, but this doesn't apply to the UK.
True, and a country like Switzerland often let visitors in visa-free if they
have a resident visa for UK. Check out their UK embassy site.

Alec
 
Old Oct 20th 2004, 10:36 pm
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Ulf Kutzner
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NYUStudent123 schrieb:
    >
    > I will be studying abroad at NYU in London next semester. Since I'm a non-
    > US Citizen, but an American Permanent Resident, I will need a visa to the
    > UK.

I guess even US citizens might need a visa to study in the UK.

    > Could someone please answer this question that my University (NYU) doesn't
    > know how to answer from the UK's visa application*:
    > - Please give any conditions the institution has placed on accepting you.
    >
    > Some questions:
    > - What are the instances that I will denied a visa?
    > - When should I apply for a visa--my arrival in London is January 12th--so
    > won't the visa expire six months from, let's say the day it is issued is
    > November 1st, November, so April?
    > - I'd like to visit other countries in Europe--what are the other visas I
    > need? Is it true that as long as I have a visa in one European Union (EU)
    > country, I can freely move from an EU-member country to another?

Not exactly.

    > *The British Consulate still hasn't gotten back to me yet and I'm having
    > difficulty speaking to an actual person at the consulate--their phone
    > system is automated. Any suggestions as to how I could contact
    > them...please advise.

Regards & F'up2, ULF

subject changed.
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 2:23 am
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Phil
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    > > Could someone please answer this question that my University (NYU) doesn't
    > > know how to answer from the UK's visa application*:
    > > - Please give any conditions the institution has placed on accepting you.

It means 'is the offer subject to any conditions, such as you
receiving certain examination results'?

    > > Some questions:
    > > - What are the instances that I will denied a visa?

If you have a patchy UK immigration history, if they do not believe
your real intention is to study, if the course looks too simple for
your experience (e.g. if you are a PhD but apply for a hairdressing
course), or if the university/school is not registered with the
British government, or if they think you're not going to return to
your country at the end [not usually a problem with US perm
residents]. Basically if they think you are lying, or just using it
as an excuse to get in to the UK, then they'll reject you. Otherwise
you'll be fine.

    > > - When should I apply for a visa--my arrival in London is January 12th--so
    > > won't the visa expire six months from, let's say the day it is issued is
    > > November 1st, November, so April?

It will *normally* be valid for the full length of your course. Apply
a month in advance to be on the safe side.

    > > - I'd like to visit other countries in Europe--what are the other visas I
    > > need? Is it true that as long as I have a visa in one European Union (EU)
    > > country, I can freely move from an EU-member country to another?

You will need to apply for a visa from the embassy of the country in
which you intend to spend the MOST time during your holiday. Once you
have the visa you are entitled to travel around any country in the
Schengen area. EU visas are a pain up the arse to get as you have to
attend the embassy in person and collect 2 days later etc in person.

phil
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 2:57 am
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John
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On 21 Oct 2004 07:23:08 -0700, [email protected] (Phil) wrote:

    > EU visas are a pain up the arse to get as you have to
    >attend the embassy in person and collect 2 days later etc in person.

That depends! It depends upon where you live in the UK and which
country you are applying to.

I think probably the best example of postal applications is the French
Consulate in London. Accordingly to their website they will accept
postal applications from much of England and Wales, although not from
London and the surrounding areas.

We live say 120 miles from London, Postal applications for Schengen
visas submitted twice. No problem.
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 6:11 am
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Patrick Wallace
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It's usual for UK universities to make provisional offers of
admission to degree programmes, i.e., conditional on the results of
examinations normally taken in the summer before the start of the
academic year when the new degree programme starts. In this case, if
you're continuing in an existing degree programme, and it's simply
that some of its courses are being organised by NYU in London, there
is presumably no condition. NYU really should know how to answer this,
and they should have given you some written confirmation as to the
arrangements they are making for you which you could attach to the
visa application.

As to whether the visa might be denied, that could depend on so many
personal and individual circumstances that it's impossible to answer
theoretically, and the British consulate is not likely to tell you
much more than that anyway. If you have enough money to support you
in London for the period of your study, NYU vouch in writing for the
fact that they expect you back after the programme, and there is no
reason for an immigration officer to think you might be planning to
jump ship and stay to work illegally, or that you might be a terrorist
in disguise , then I would imagine they will give you permission to
stay for the period of your course in the UK.

The UK is not part of the Schengen agreement, so you would probably
need to apply separately for visas for the other countries you wish to
visit, and you should get information from their consulates now.

PJW


On 21 Oct 2004 02:44:58 GMT, NYUStudent123 <@nyu.edu> wrote:


    >Could someone please answer this question that my University (NYU) doesn't
    >know how to answer from the UK's visa application*:
    >- Please give any conditions the institution has placed on accepting you.
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 1:08 pm
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NYUStudent123
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Hi,

First, thanks so much for all the feedback and insight--they've been very
helpful. The British Consulate is so difficult to contact, I've emailed
and called them and no success.

A follow-up and background to my study abroad:
- I am already accepted at NYU in London
- I have a financial aid package, provided by the University composed of
private loans, government loans, and a tiny scholarship.
- It's an undergraduate program of NYU in London. It's not study abroad
in any other British School--simply NYU in London, similar to NYU in New
York City.

About my plans to travel around Europe:
- From what I extrapolate from everyone's posts, I need to get a visa
from every country? When should I do this, while I'm still in New York?


Thanks so much for all your help.



    > It's usual for UK universities to make provisional offers of
    > admission to degree programmes, i.e., conditional on the results of
    > examinations normally taken in the summer before the start of the
    > academic year when the new degree programme starts. In this case, if
    > you're continuing in an existing degree programme, and it's simply
    > that some of its courses are being organised by NYU in London, there
    > is presumably no condition. NYU really should know how to answer this,
    > and they should have given you some written confirmation as to the
    > arrangements they are making for you which you could attach to the
    > visa application.
    >
    > As to whether the visa might be denied, that could depend on so many
    > personal and individual circumstances that it's impossible to answer
    > theoretically, and the British consulate is not likely to tell you
    > much more than that anyway. If you have enough money to support you
    > in London for the period of your study, NYU vouch in writing for the
    > fact that they expect you back after the programme, and there is no
    > reason for an immigration officer to think you might be planning to
    > jump ship and stay to work illegally, or that you might be a terrorist
    > in disguise , then I would imagine they will give you permission to
    > stay for the period of your course in the UK.
    >
    > The UK is not part of the Schengen agreement, so you would probably
    > need to apply separately for visas for the other countries you wish to
    > visit, and you should get information from their consulates now.
    >
    > PJW
    >
    >
    > On 21 Oct 2004 02:44:58 GMT, NYUStudent123 <@nyu.edu> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Could someone please answer this question that my University (NYU)
    >>doesn't know how to answer from the UK's visa application*:
    >>- Please give any conditions the institution has placed on accepting
    >>you.
    >
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 4:23 pm
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Frank F. Matthews
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NYUStudent123 wrote:

    > Hi,
    >
    > First, thanks so much for all the feedback and insight--they've been very
    > helpful. The British Consulate is so difficult to contact, I've emailed
    > and called them and no success.
    >
    > A follow-up and background to my study abroad:
    > - I am already accepted at NYU in London
    > - I have a financial aid package, provided by the University composed of
    > private loans, government loans, and a tiny scholarship.
    > - It's an undergraduate program of NYU in London. It's not study abroad
    > in any other British School--simply NYU in London, similar to NYU in New
    > York City.
    >
    > About my plans to travel around Europe:
    > - From what I extrapolate from everyone's posts, I need to get a visa
    > from every country? When should I do this, while I'm still in New York?

    > Thanks so much for all your help.

Since you have an NYU address I suggest a visit to the New York
consulate. Personal contact often works where other avenues fail.

For short visits (under 90 days) you shouldn't need any additional visas
unless you find somewhere really exotic like Russia.

    >>It's usual for UK universities to make provisional offers of
    >>admission to degree programmes, i.e., conditional on the results of
    >>examinations normally taken in the summer before the start of the
    >>academic year when the new degree programme starts. In this case, if
    >>you're continuing in an existing degree programme, and it's simply
    >>that some of its courses are being organised by NYU in London, there
    >>is presumably no condition. NYU really should know how to answer this,
    >>and they should have given you some written confirmation as to the
    >>arrangements they are making for you which you could attach to the
    >>visa application.
    >>As to whether the visa might be denied, that could depend on so many
    >>personal and individual circumstances that it's impossible to answer
    >>theoretically, and the British consulate is not likely to tell you
    >>much more than that anyway. If you have enough money to support you
    >>in London for the period of your study, NYU vouch in writing for the
    >>fact that they expect you back after the programme, and there is no
    >>reason for an immigration officer to think you might be planning to
    >>jump ship and stay to work illegally, or that you might be a terrorist
    >>in disguise , then I would imagine they will give you permission to
    >>stay for the period of your course in the UK.
    >>The UK is not part of the Schengen agreement, so you would probably
    >>need to apply separately for visas for the other countries you wish to
    >>visit, and you should get information from their consulates now.
    >>PJW
    >>On 21 Oct 2004 02:44:58 GMT, NYUStudent123 <@nyu.edu> wrote:
    >>>Could someone please answer this question that my University (NYU)
    >>>doesn't know how to answer from the UK's visa application*:
    >>>- Please give any conditions the institution has placed on accepting
    >>>you.
    >
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 5:46 pm
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Miguel Cruz
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Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
    > NYUStudent123 wrote:
    >> About my plans to travel around Europe:
    >> - From what I extrapolate from everyone's posts, I need to get a visa
    >> from every country? When should I do this, while I'm still in New York?
    > For short visits (under 90 days) you shouldn't need any additional visas
    > unless you find somewhere really exotic like Russia.

Our mysterious student hails from some other secret country that we're not
allowed to know the name of.

I assume it's a country whose nationals require a visa to visit Schengen
countries. In that case, Dr X, you can get that visa while you're in the UK.
Apply to the consulate of the Schengen country where you'll be spending the
most time on your trip, and under most circumstances a single visa will be
valid for the rest of them as well.

miguel
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Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
 
Old Oct 22nd 2004, 12:00 am
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Szozu
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"NYUStudent123" <@nyu.edu> wrote in message
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    > About my plans to travel around Europe:
    > - From what I extrapolate from everyone's posts, I need to get a visa
    > from every country? When should I do this, while I'm still in New York?

What is your nationality? If you are a US citizen, you are normally allowed
to travel in the EU and some other European countries without first applying
for a visa. Your passport is simply stamped upon arrival. That's it.

Lana
 
Old Oct 22nd 2004, 1:16 am
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Karen Selwyn
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szozu wrote:
    >
    > What is your nationality? If you are a US citizen, you are normally allowed
    > to travel in the EU and some other European countries without first applying
    > for a visa. Your passport is simply stamped upon arrival. That's it.

That's old news. Apparently, the US has been making life rough for
students from other countries coming to the US for study. In
retaliation, other countries -- I know for a fact that Italy is one such
country -- are now requiring visas for US citizens studying abroad. I've
seen the letters from the Italian consulate that were sent to the
university where I am an active alumna. The diplomatic word
"reciprocity" was used.

Bottom line: the original poster is not necessarily a citizen of country
"X." He's more likely one of the first group of students studying abroad
to be operating under a new set of rules.

Karen Selwyn
 
Old Oct 22nd 2004, 1:21 am
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Alec
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"NYUStudent123" <@nyu.edu> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi,
    > First, thanks so much for all the feedback and insight--they've been very
    > helpful. The British Consulate is so difficult to contact, I've emailed
    > and called them and no success.
    > A follow-up and background to my study abroad:
    > - I am already accepted at NYU in London
    > - I have a financial aid package, provided by the University composed of
    > private loans, government loans, and a tiny scholarship.
    > - It's an undergraduate program of NYU in London. It's not study abroad
    > in any other British School--simply NYU in London, similar to NYU in New
    > York City.
    > About my plans to travel around Europe:
    > - From what I extrapolate from everyone's posts, I need to get a visa
    > from every country? When should I do this, while I'm still in New York?
While it may be easier to get your Schengen visa (yes, one visa covers most
of Western Europe exc Switzerland) where you live permanently, NY consulates
may not issue one unless you show travel ticket to a Schengen country and
evidence of booked accommodation for every day of your stay. Once you get a
study visa for UK, you should be able to approach relevant consulate in
London for a visa, but there's a big delay in getting an appointment for
lodging an application (often 2 months or more). So I suggest you make your
plans for continental travel early and apply in plenty of time.

Alec
 
Old Oct 22nd 2004, 1:31 am
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Jim Ley
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:21:27 +0100, "Alec"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >While it may be easier to get your Schengen visa (yes, one visa covers most
    >of Western Europe exc Switzerland) where you live permanently, NY consulates
    >may not issue one unless you show travel ticket to a Schengen country and
    >evidence of booked accommodation for every day of your stay. Once you get a
    >study visa for UK, you should be able to approach relevant consulate in
    >London for a visa, but there's a big delay in getting an appointment for
    >lodging an application (often 2 months or more).

Really? there's lots of schengen countries consulates in London, and
not that many people actually needing visas for schengen areas, why on
earth does it take so long?

Jim.
 
Old Oct 22nd 2004, 2:25 am
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Karen Selwyn wrote:

    > szozu wrote:

    >> What is your nationality? If you are a US citizen, you are normally
    >> allowed
    >> to travel in the EU and some other European countries without first
    >> applying
    >> for a visa. Your passport is simply stamped upon arrival. That's it.

    > That's old news. Apparently, the US has been making life rough for
    > students from other countries coming to the US for study. In
    > retaliation, other countries -- I know for a fact that Italy is one such
    > country -- are now requiring visas for US citizens studying abroad. I've
    > seen the letters from the Italian consulate that were sent to the
    > university where I am an active alumna. The diplomatic word
    > "reciprocity" was used.
    >
    > Bottom line: the original poster is not necessarily a citizen of country
    > "X." He's more likely one of the first group of students studying abroad
    > to be operating under a new set of rules.
    > Karen Selwyn

However, being a student studying abroad in London doesn't mean that he
isn't a regular tourist in the rest of europe.
 

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