st.petersburg bus station to railway station?
May 9th 2003, 5:34 am
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New line Kerava - Lahti (was: st.petersburg bus station to railway
Timo Valtonen schrieb:
>
> "Casey" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > By 2008 both Helsinki trains, Repin and Sibelius, should be high-
> > > speed services using only 3 hours instead of the present 5,5 hours
> >
> > By 2008! I read on one of the Russian sites that the Finnish trains
> > will be fully functional by 2005. Your date is probably more trust-
> > worthy, as it probably came from VR, no?
>
> 2008 is one of the estimates I've heard from VR staff. There are still a
> number of obstacles.On the Finnish side the Kerava-Lahti shortcut will be
> ready in 2006.
Thank you. Didn't know of this one.
http://www.rhk.fi/oikorata/en_index.html
Regards, ULF
-> mtre
>
> "Casey" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > By 2008 both Helsinki trains, Repin and Sibelius, should be high-
> > > speed services using only 3 hours instead of the present 5,5 hours
> >
> > By 2008! I read on one of the Russian sites that the Finnish trains
> > will be fully functional by 2005. Your date is probably more trust-
> > worthy, as it probably came from VR, no?
>
> 2008 is one of the estimates I've heard from VR staff. There are still a
> number of obstacles.On the Finnish side the Kerava-Lahti shortcut will be
> ready in 2006.
Thank you. Didn't know of this one.
http://www.rhk.fi/oikorata/en_index.html
Regards, ULF
-> mtre
May 9th 2003, 6:12 am
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Re: st.petersburg bus station to railway station?
Helmut Uttenthaler schrieb:
> > for foreigners than the corresponding for own citizens. The (presently
> > called) third class fares were not allowed for foreigners except in rare
> > exceptions arranged by the organisation hosting the foreigner in question.
> >
> > Now some of the trains are subleased to other companies,
>
> Which trains do you mean?
I guess the so-called "commercial" trains with specific ticket counters.
How many sub-leased trains re now in service
Regards, ULF
-> mtre
> > for foreigners than the corresponding for own citizens. The (presently
> > called) third class fares were not allowed for foreigners except in rare
> > exceptions arranged by the organisation hosting the foreigner in question.
> >
> > Now some of the trains are subleased to other companies,
>
> Which trains do you mean?
I guess the so-called "commercial" trains with specific ticket counters.
How many sub-leased trains re now in service
Regards, ULF
-> mtre
May 10th 2003, 3:14 am
#33
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Re: st.petersburg bus station to railway station?
Timo, thanks for the details. I like to keep current with the
trains from Helsinki to St. Petersburg. A three-hour trip would
be wonderful. Another four hours to Moscow is also great, as
SVO has the worst passport control I have ever seen (very long
lines).
Casey
trains from Helsinki to St. Petersburg. A three-hour trip would
be wonderful. Another four hours to Moscow is also great, as
SVO has the worst passport control I have ever seen (very long
lines).
Casey
May 11th 2003, 9:01 am
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Re: st.petersburg bus station to railway station?
"Emil Jelstrup" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Timo Valtonen wrote:
> > "Casey" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > > By 2008 both Helsinki trains, Repin and Sibelius, should be high-
> > > > speed services using only 3 hours instead of the present 5,5 hours
> > >
> > > By 2008! I read on one of the Russian sites that the Finnish trains
> > > will be fully functional by 2005. Your date is probably more trust-
> > > worthy, as it probably came from VR, no?
> >
> > 2008 is one of the estimates I've heard from VR staff. There are still a
> > number of obstacles.On the Finnish side the Kerava-Lahti shortcut will
be
> > ready in 2006. There are still too many level crossings between Lahti
and
> > the border and the last 30 km on the Finnish side is still single track.
> > Russian overhaul of tracks around Vyborg is not yet finished. Border
control
> > takes too long. Loco change at the border is mandatory because of
different
> > electric systems in Finland and Russia. etc, etc.
> > Pendolinos in Finland operate now max. 200 km/h on services between
> > Helsinki - Turku and Helsinki - Tampere, but they can not be used on the
> > Russian side of the border.
> Do you know which train types VR and OktZhD (RZhD) are going to use?
Both companies are keeping a low profile on this matter.A few years ago
there was some talk of VR Pendolino (the dual voltage version, which exists
already but has not been ordered by VR) and the Russian Sokol (officially
abandoned a couple of months ago as a failure). It is difficult to imagine
any EMU set being used soon.
The present Sibelius cars are from the 60-s and 70-s so they have to be
replaced soon. VR has nice new fully air-conditioned and pressurized Talgo
double-deckers http://www.saunalahti.fi/~rautatie/rstock/DDesite.pdf used on
domestic IC2 services, but the doors are too low for Russian platforms. The
present normal IC cars are the only suitable ones available now, their max.
speed is 160 km/h - not quite enough.
Russians use brand-new sleepers on the Helsinki-Moscow run, day-time cars
are re-fitted sleepers and are not the most comfortable ones possible.
tv
news:[email protected]...
> Timo Valtonen wrote:
> > "Casey" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > > By 2008 both Helsinki trains, Repin and Sibelius, should be high-
> > > > speed services using only 3 hours instead of the present 5,5 hours
> > >
> > > By 2008! I read on one of the Russian sites that the Finnish trains
> > > will be fully functional by 2005. Your date is probably more trust-
> > > worthy, as it probably came from VR, no?
> >
> > 2008 is one of the estimates I've heard from VR staff. There are still a
> > number of obstacles.On the Finnish side the Kerava-Lahti shortcut will
be
> > ready in 2006. There are still too many level crossings between Lahti
and
> > the border and the last 30 km on the Finnish side is still single track.
> > Russian overhaul of tracks around Vyborg is not yet finished. Border
control
> > takes too long. Loco change at the border is mandatory because of
different
> > electric systems in Finland and Russia. etc, etc.
> > Pendolinos in Finland operate now max. 200 km/h on services between
> > Helsinki - Turku and Helsinki - Tampere, but they can not be used on the
> > Russian side of the border.
> Do you know which train types VR and OktZhD (RZhD) are going to use?
Both companies are keeping a low profile on this matter.A few years ago
there was some talk of VR Pendolino (the dual voltage version, which exists
already but has not been ordered by VR) and the Russian Sokol (officially
abandoned a couple of months ago as a failure). It is difficult to imagine
any EMU set being used soon.
The present Sibelius cars are from the 60-s and 70-s so they have to be
replaced soon. VR has nice new fully air-conditioned and pressurized Talgo
double-deckers http://www.saunalahti.fi/~rautatie/rstock/DDesite.pdf used on
domestic IC2 services, but the doors are too low for Russian platforms. The
present normal IC cars are the only suitable ones available now, their max.
speed is 160 km/h - not quite enough.
Russians use brand-new sleepers on the Helsinki-Moscow run, day-time cars
are re-fitted sleepers and are not the most comfortable ones possible.
tv
May 12th 2003, 1:03 am
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Re: st.petersburg bus station to railway station?
How much safe is it to travel alone in the streets of St.PB and
Moscow. Any caveats?? I heard of racial attacks and shootings..Btw, I
am an Indian.
"Timo Valtonen" wrote in message news:...
> "Emil Jelstrup" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Timo Valtonen wrote:
> >
> > > "Casey" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > By 2008 both Helsinki trains, Repin and Sibelius, should be high-
> > > > > speed services using only 3 hours instead of the present 5,5 hours
> > > >
> > > > By 2008! I read on one of the Russian sites that the Finnish trains
> > > > will be fully functional by 2005. Your date is probably more trust-
> > > > worthy, as it probably came from VR, no?
> > >
> > > 2008 is one of the estimates I've heard from VR staff. There are still a
> > > number of obstacles.On the Finnish side the Kerava-Lahti shortcut will
> be
> > > ready in 2006. There are still too many level crossings between Lahti
> and
> > > the border and the last 30 km on the Finnish side is still single track.
> > > Russian overhaul of tracks around Vyborg is not yet finished. Border
> control
> > > takes too long. Loco change at the border is mandatory because of
> different
> > > electric systems in Finland and Russia. etc, etc.
> > > Pendolinos in Finland operate now max. 200 km/h on services between
> > > Helsinki - Turku and Helsinki - Tampere, but they can not be used on the
> > > Russian side of the border.
> >
> > Do you know which train types VR and OktZhD (RZhD) are going to use?
> >
>
> Both companies are keeping a low profile on this matter.A few years ago
> there was some talk of VR Pendolino (the dual voltage version, which exists
> already but has not been ordered by VR) and the Russian Sokol (officially
> abandoned a couple of months ago as a failure). It is difficult to imagine
> any EMU set being used soon.
>
> The present Sibelius cars are from the 60-s and 70-s so they have to be
> replaced soon. VR has nice new fully air-conditioned and pressurized Talgo
> double-deckers http://www.saunalahti.fi/~rautatie/rstock/DDesite.pdf used on
> domestic IC2 services, but the doors are too low for Russian platforms. The
> present normal IC cars are the only suitable ones available now, their max.
> speed is 160 km/h - not quite enough.
> Russians use brand-new sleepers on the Helsinki-Moscow run, day-time cars
> are re-fitted sleepers and are not the most comfortable ones possible.
>
> tv
Moscow. Any caveats?? I heard of racial attacks and shootings..Btw, I
am an Indian.
"Timo Valtonen" wrote in message news:...
> "Emil Jelstrup" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Timo Valtonen wrote:
> >
> > > "Casey" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > By 2008 both Helsinki trains, Repin and Sibelius, should be high-
> > > > > speed services using only 3 hours instead of the present 5,5 hours
> > > >
> > > > By 2008! I read on one of the Russian sites that the Finnish trains
> > > > will be fully functional by 2005. Your date is probably more trust-
> > > > worthy, as it probably came from VR, no?
> > >
> > > 2008 is one of the estimates I've heard from VR staff. There are still a
> > > number of obstacles.On the Finnish side the Kerava-Lahti shortcut will
> be
> > > ready in 2006. There are still too many level crossings between Lahti
> and
> > > the border and the last 30 km on the Finnish side is still single track.
> > > Russian overhaul of tracks around Vyborg is not yet finished. Border
> control
> > > takes too long. Loco change at the border is mandatory because of
> different
> > > electric systems in Finland and Russia. etc, etc.
> > > Pendolinos in Finland operate now max. 200 km/h on services between
> > > Helsinki - Turku and Helsinki - Tampere, but they can not be used on the
> > > Russian side of the border.
> >
> > Do you know which train types VR and OktZhD (RZhD) are going to use?
> >
>
> Both companies are keeping a low profile on this matter.A few years ago
> there was some talk of VR Pendolino (the dual voltage version, which exists
> already but has not been ordered by VR) and the Russian Sokol (officially
> abandoned a couple of months ago as a failure). It is difficult to imagine
> any EMU set being used soon.
>
> The present Sibelius cars are from the 60-s and 70-s so they have to be
> replaced soon. VR has nice new fully air-conditioned and pressurized Talgo
> double-deckers http://www.saunalahti.fi/~rautatie/rstock/DDesite.pdf used on
> domestic IC2 services, but the doors are too low for Russian platforms. The
> present normal IC cars are the only suitable ones available now, their max.
> speed is 160 km/h - not quite enough.
> Russians use brand-new sleepers on the Helsinki-Moscow run, day-time cars
> are re-fitted sleepers and are not the most comfortable ones possible.
>
> tv
