-Martin

On 7 Feb 2007 08:42:21 -0800, "I used to eat lots of Pot Noodles"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Feb 7, 2:43 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 7 Feb 2007 05:40:30 -0800, "I used to eat lots of Pot Noodles, but now I
>>
>> spout shit" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >what do you expect from a shit hole ??
>>
>> >> Drunk Belgians.
>> >I'll take that over any london experience......
>>
>> ... until one kills you.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>
>...one killed you ??

One smashed my wife's car. There is nothing funny about drunken drivers. There
seem to be considerably more in Belgium than in NL.
--

Martin

Tom Peel

In neighbouring Brixton
> and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
> Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
> Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.

This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other European
countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it is impossible
to get number plates without an insurance policy.

T.

-John Doe

>>
>> the usual bollocks, just because someone is uninsured doesn't mean they
>> are going to be an unsafe driver.
>
> Not necessarily causation - but isn't the correlation pretty high?
>

I'm sure it is, but on the odd occasion when i have driven an uninsured
vehicle i have been extra careful, probably in the same way that many people
drive extra carefully on a Saturday morning after a night on the piss.

I'm not defending people who drive without insurance, merely pointing out
that it doesn't automatically make them a bad driver.

to me it seems similar to the view that many on here hold about BMW drivers,
my father has been driving for over 40 yrs and in the mid 80's he owned a 5
series for about a year, do they seriously think that he turned into a
nutter for that short time?

james

Hooch

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:30:41 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In neighbouring Brixton
>> and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
>> Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
>> Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.
>
>This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other European
>countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it is impossible
>to get number plates without an insurance policy.

So what happens when you already have your number plates and you let
the insurance lapse?

Brimstone

"Hooch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:30:41 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>In neighbouring Brixton
>>> and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
>>> Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
>>> Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.
>>
>>This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other European
>>countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it is impossible
>>to get number plates without an insurance policy.
>
> So what happens when you already have your number plates and you let
> the insurance lapse?

AIUI there's an indicator on the plates to show the expiry date.

Hooch

On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:45:10 -0000, "Brimstone" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Hooch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:30:41 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In neighbouring Brixton
>>>> and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
>>>> Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
>>>> Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.
>>>
>>>This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other European
>>>countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it is impossible
>>>to get number plates without an insurance policy.
>>
>> So what happens when you already have your number plates and you let
>> the insurance lapse?
>
>AIUI there's an indicator on the plates to show the expiry date.

A sticker?

-Adrian

Tom Peel ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

> This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other European
> countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it is impossible
> to get number plates without an insurance policy.

In one or two.

Most countries use a system very similar to ours.

Having a French-style insurance sticker in the windscreen would be a good -
and very cheap - start, though.

Brimstone

Hooch wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:45:10 -0000, "Brimstone" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hooch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:30:41 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In neighbouring Brixton
>>>>> and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
>>>>> Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
>>>>> Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.
>>>>
>>>> This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other
>>>> European countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it
>>>> is impossible to get number plates without an insurance policy.
>>>
>>> So what happens when you already have your number plates and you let
>>> the insurance lapse?
>>
>> AIUI there's an indicator on the plates to show the expiry date.
>
> A sticker?

No.

Nick Finnigan

Tom Peel wrote:
> In neighbouring Brixton
>
>> and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
>> Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
>> Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.
>
>
> This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other European
> countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it is impossible
> to get number plates without an insurance policy.

Do the number plates self-destruct if an ethically diverse person
tries to borrow them off another car?

I used to eat lots of Pot

On Feb 7, 5:52 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2007 08:42:21 -0800, "I used to eat lots of Pot Noodles"
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Feb 7, 2:43 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On 7 Feb 2007 05:40:30 -0800, "I used to eat lots of Pot Noodles, but now I
>
> >> spout shit" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >what do you expect from a shit hole ??
>
> >> >> Drunk Belgians.
> >> >I'll take that over any london experience......
>
> >> ... until one kills you.
> >> --
>
> >> Martin
>
> >...one killed you ??
>
> One smashed my wife's car. There is nothing funny about drunken drivers. There
> seem to be considerably more in Belgium than in NL.
> --
>
> Martin

...tell me more.....

kurkku

"Tom Peel" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:[email protected]...
> In neighbouring Brixton
>> and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
>> Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
>> Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.
>
> This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other European
> countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it is impossible to
> get number plates without an insurance policy.
>
This is simply untrue. For instance in Finland the liability insurance is
mandatory. And it DOES compensate injuries In Finland there is no set upper
limit and in Sweden the limit is tens of millions per victim. In some other
countries the liability insurance can much weaker: it may cover only the
driver and even then the limit may be ridiculously low. One should always
have the worst scenario in mind - that he is not able to support himself
anymore financially or otherwise. Fortunately in the ETA countries (most of
Western Europe and some other countries) one can decide what terms are used
to claim compensation - terms in effect in the country of residence or the
country of accident.

Insurances covering vehicles are always and everywhere optional.

GeoffC

Nick Finnigan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other European
>> countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it is
>> impossible to get number plates without an insurance policy.
>
> Do the number plates self-destruct if an ethically diverse person
> tries to borrow them off another car?

No but they become invalid as soon as they are reported stolen.

--

Geoff

GeoffC

Markku Grönroos <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Tom Peel" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> viestissÀ:[email protected]...
>> In neighbouring Brixton
>>> and Stockwell a massive 44.2 per cent of vehicles are not insured.
>>> Safety campaigners say this is why 16.8 per cent of people in
>>> Southwark and 13.7 per cent in Lambeth flee after a crash.
>>
>> This shows the weakness of the UK insurance system. In other European
>> countries, the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and it is
>> impossible to get number plates without an insurance policy.
>>
> This is simply untrue. For instance in Finland the liability
> insurance is mandatory. And it DOES compensate injuries In Finland
> there is no set upper limit and in Sweden the limit is tens of
> millions per victim. In some other countries the liability insurance
> can much weaker: it may cover only the driver and even then the limit
> may be ridiculously low. One should always have the worst scenario in
> mind - that he is not able to support himself anymore financially or
> otherwise. Fortunately in the ETA countries (most of Western Europe
> and some other countries) one can decide what terms are used to claim
> compensation - terms in effect in the country of residence or the
> country of accident.
> Insurances covering vehicles are always and everywhere optional.

Ahem, misunderstanding I fear. Nik is referring to the fact that in most
European countries the vehicle is insured irrespective of who is driving it.
In the UK it is usually restricted as to who is insured to drive a vehicle.
Have a look on your Green Card ( if its a non-British one ) there should be
a section where all drivers have to sign if it is to be used in the UK.

--

Geoff

ching-gow

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:13:53 +0000, The Reid <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I get attacked by the PC brigade and by nasty racists.

Then you should get out of the middle of the road and take a stand on
one side or the other. It's not an easy thing to do but at least then
you only have to watch the traffic coming from one direction and you
get a lot more respect for taking a stand rather than trying to dodge
issues from both sides.

ching-gow

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:29:27 +0000, Hooch <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:24:24 GMT, "john doe" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>London Assembly member Jenny Jones wants cops to focus on uninsured
>>drivers on their beats. She said: "The point is that we still have
>>more deaths from road crashes than shootings and stabbings in
>>Southwark. "We need a lot of enforcement to clamp down on uninsured
>>drivers and we're not getting it at the moment. "This is the sort of
>>
>>the usual bollocks, just because someone is uninsured doesn't mean they are
>>going to be an unsafe driver.
>
>If someone doesn't have insurance (the main purpose of which seems to
>be to qualify for road tax) , why would they bother with shit like
>MOTs?

People are never more careful than when they are breaking the law.