smoking in Europe
May 24th 2007, 7:20 pm
#46
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Re: smoking in Europe
>>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
>>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
>>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>> it up my list of places to visit!
> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
> on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
(Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
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>>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
>>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>> it up my list of places to visit!
> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
> on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
(Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk =============Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
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May 24th 2007, 7:29 pm
#47
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Re: smoking in Europe
Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
> >>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
> >>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
> >>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
> >>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
> >>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
> >>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
> >> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
> >> it up my list of places to visit!
> > Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
> > We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
> > on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>
> Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
> (Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
> anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
> shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
> the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
> driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since it was
banned, I remember few infractions.
You suggested that there's a ban on smoking in restaurants and bars in
Turkey. Is there or isn't there- that's what the situation is in
Scotland, and it's certainly been tightly controlled there.
--
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> >>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
> >>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
> >>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
> >>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
> >>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
> >>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
> >>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
> >> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
> >> it up my list of places to visit!
> > Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
> > We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
> > on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>
> Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
> (Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
> anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
> shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
> the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
> driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since it was
banned, I remember few infractions.
You suggested that there's a ban on smoking in restaurants and bars in
Turkey. Is there or isn't there- that's what the situation is in
Scotland, and it's certainly been tightly controlled there.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 24th 2007, 7:30 pm
#48
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Re: smoking in Europe
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
> > >>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
> > >>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
> > >>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
> > >>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
> > >>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
> > >>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
> > >> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
> > >> it up my list of places to visit!
> > > Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
> > > We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
> > > on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
> >
> > Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
> > (Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
> > anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
> > shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
> > the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
> > driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
>
> In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since it was
> banned,
On buses and trains I mean- this was banned well before the general
smoking ban.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
> > >>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
> > >>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
> > >>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
> > >>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
> > >>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
> > >>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
> > >> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
> > >> it up my list of places to visit!
> > > Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
> > > We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
> > > on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
> >
> > Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
> > (Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
> > anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
> > shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
> > the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
> > driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
>
> In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since it was
> banned,
On buses and trains I mean- this was banned well before the general
smoking ban.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 24th 2007, 7:45 pm
#49
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Re: smoking in Europe
"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1hymw24.l2w00h28p5whN%[email protected]...
> tim..... <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:1hyllsr.17qxmx519u2hh7N%[email protected]...
>> > Lennart Petersen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> >> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>> >> >I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
>> >> > the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no
>> >> > smoking.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you.
>> >> >
>> >> For Sweden the percentages of smokers are 14% of the male and 18% of
>> >> the
>> >> female grown up (above 15y) population. Smoking isn't allowed on
>> >> public
>> >> transport, in indoor public places nor restaurants.
>> >
>> > Oh- I should add Sweden to my list then. It includes bars I take it?
>>
>> Did I see you say that you recently went to Portugal?
>
> Yes, on uk.railway I think
>
>> I was there three weeks ago
>
> <snap>
>
>> and I can't say that I saw
>> anybody smoking in public places.
>
> Where were you? We were in Lisbon and Lagos-
snap
> plenty of smoking in
> restaurants, I'm afraid. We were even bothered by outside smoke in one
> place in Lagos. I played the ugly British tourist and gave the german
> speaking diners in the table opposite the daggers whenever possible.
I must have been unobservant then.
>
> The Ibis Liberdade we stayed at in Lisbon is completely non-smoking,
> including _all_ rooms. Very nice indeed!
I was in the Jose Malhoa, the other one was full.
>
>> But I did notice
>> that about 50% of the population reeked of a nasty
>> tobacco smell.
>>
>> Presumably they have special smoking places that
>> I didn't frequent.
>
> I got the impression many of them smoked like chimneys.
That's exactly what I meant.
tim
news:1hymw24.l2w00h28p5whN%[email protected]...
> tim..... <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:1hyllsr.17qxmx519u2hh7N%[email protected]...
>> > Lennart Petersen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> >> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>> >> >I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
>> >> > the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no
>> >> > smoking.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you.
>> >> >
>> >> For Sweden the percentages of smokers are 14% of the male and 18% of
>> >> the
>> >> female grown up (above 15y) population. Smoking isn't allowed on
>> >> public
>> >> transport, in indoor public places nor restaurants.
>> >
>> > Oh- I should add Sweden to my list then. It includes bars I take it?
>>
>> Did I see you say that you recently went to Portugal?
>
> Yes, on uk.railway I think
>
>> I was there three weeks ago
>
> <snap>
>
>> and I can't say that I saw
>> anybody smoking in public places.
>
> Where were you? We were in Lisbon and Lagos-
snap
> plenty of smoking in
> restaurants, I'm afraid. We were even bothered by outside smoke in one
> place in Lagos. I played the ugly British tourist and gave the german
> speaking diners in the table opposite the daggers whenever possible.
I must have been unobservant then.
>
> The Ibis Liberdade we stayed at in Lisbon is completely non-smoking,
> including _all_ rooms. Very nice indeed!
I was in the Jose Malhoa, the other one was full.
>
>> But I did notice
>> that about 50% of the population reeked of a nasty
>> tobacco smell.
>>
>> Presumably they have special smoking places that
>> I didn't frequent.
>
> I got the impression many of them smoked like chimneys.
That's exactly what I meant.
tim
May 24th 2007, 8:48 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Also, does anyone remember Sjoerd's
>post here a few years ago when the
>subject sort of came up?
>"Yes, we know that second hand smoke is
>a bit bad for your health. However,
>Europeans value freedom and we don't
>like to be told what we can and can not
>do.
>A little bit of second hand smoke will kill
>nobody. Live and let live. "
Yes, I remember his smoking freedom posts.
I recall one thread here when NYC banned smoking in bars.
Sjoerd's response was a classic and I wish I could recall it exactly
but basically the US was fascist or nazi for passing these types of
laws, freedom, rights, etc.
But there were many posts esp in the late 90's where esp Americans
(usually 1st timers) were slammed here just for asking about smoking in
Europe questions (restaurants, bars, public transport, hotels, etc).
Answers like "stay home", "it's part of our culture", "we are free",
"it's our right", "a little smoke won't hurt you, get over it", "Europe
isn't the USA", etc.
Regards, Walter
..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...
>Also, does anyone remember Sjoerd's
>post here a few years ago when the
>subject sort of came up?
>"Yes, we know that second hand smoke is
>a bit bad for your health. However,
>Europeans value freedom and we don't
>like to be told what we can and can not
>do.
>A little bit of second hand smoke will kill
>nobody. Live and let live. "
Yes, I remember his smoking freedom posts
.I recall one thread here when NYC banned smoking in bars.
Sjoerd's response was a classic and I wish I could recall it exactly
but basically the US was fascist or nazi for passing these types of
laws, freedom, rights, etc.
But there were many posts esp in the late 90's where esp Americans
(usually 1st timers) were slammed here just for asking about smoking in
Europe questions (restaurants, bars, public transport, hotels, etc).
Answers like "stay home", "it's part of our culture", "we are free",
"it's our right", "a little smoke won't hurt you, get over it", "Europe
isn't the USA", etc.
Regards, Walter
..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...
May 24th 2007, 9:18 pm
#51
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Re: smoking in Europe
"Poetic Justice" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Also, does anyone remember Sjoerd's
>post here a few years ago when the
>subject sort of came up?
>"Yes, we know that second hand smoke is
>a bit bad for your health. However,
>Europeans value freedom and we don't
>like to be told what we can and can not
>do.
>A little bit of second hand smoke will kill
>nobody. Live and let live. "
Yes, I remember his smoking freedom posts.
I recall one thread here when NYC banned smoking in bars.
Sjoerd's response was a classic and I wish I could recall it exactly
but basically the US was fascist or nazi for passing these types of
laws, freedom, rights, etc.
But there were many posts esp in the late 90's where esp Americans
(usually 1st timers) were slammed here just for asking about smoking in
Europe questions (restaurants, bars, public transport, hotels, etc).
Answers like "stay home", "it's part of our culture", "we are free",
"it's our right", "a little smoke won't hurt you, get over it", "Europe
isn't the USA", etc.
Regards, Walter
----------
I would guess that it's hard for many Europeans to realize that U.S
sometimes is a forerunner. Freedom from smoke is a such thing. Disabled
rights are also worth to mention.
news:[email protected]...
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Also, does anyone remember Sjoerd's
>post here a few years ago when the
>subject sort of came up?
>"Yes, we know that second hand smoke is
>a bit bad for your health. However,
>Europeans value freedom and we don't
>like to be told what we can and can not
>do.
>A little bit of second hand smoke will kill
>nobody. Live and let live. "
Yes, I remember his smoking freedom posts
.I recall one thread here when NYC banned smoking in bars.
Sjoerd's response was a classic and I wish I could recall it exactly
but basically the US was fascist or nazi for passing these types of
laws, freedom, rights, etc.
But there were many posts esp in the late 90's where esp Americans
(usually 1st timers) were slammed here just for asking about smoking in
Europe questions (restaurants, bars, public transport, hotels, etc).
Answers like "stay home", "it's part of our culture", "we are free",
"it's our right", "a little smoke won't hurt you, get over it", "Europe
isn't the USA", etc.
Regards, Walter
----------
I would guess that it's hard for many Europeans to realize that U.S
sometimes is a forerunner. Freedom from smoke is a such thing. Disabled
rights are also worth to mention.
May 24th 2007, 9:30 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:20:12 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
>>>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
>>>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>>>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>>>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>>>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>>>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>>> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>>> it up my list of places to visit!
>> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
>> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
>> on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>
>Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
>(Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
>anybody smoking in public.
Antalya, Side. I'm not talking about bus travel. I'm talking about people
smoking in restaurants.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
>>>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
>>>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>>>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>>>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>>>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>>>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>>> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>>> it up my list of places to visit!
>> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
>> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
>> on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>
>Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
>(Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
>anybody smoking in public.
Antalya, Side. I'm not talking about bus travel. I'm talking about people
smoking in restaurants.
--
Martin
May 24th 2007, 9:36 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:29:45 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
>> >>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
>> >>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>> >>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>> >>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>> >>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>> >>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>> >> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>> >> it up my list of places to visit!
>> > Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
>> > We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
>> > on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>>
>> Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
>> (Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
>> anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
>> shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
>> the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
>> driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
>
>In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since it was
>banned, I remember few infractions.
>
>You suggested that there's a ban on smoking in restaurants and bars in
>Turkey. Is there or isn't there- that's what the situation is in
>Scotland, and it's certainly been tightly controlled there.
There was a proposed law whether it ever came into effect is not clear.
It certainly wasn't in effect a year ago, otherwise I would have expected some
sign of the effects of it. Like not being asked if we wanted a Non Smoking
apartment for example and not being surrounded by chain smokers when we ate in a
restaurant.
http://www.euromonitor.com/Tobacco_in_Turkey
"Changes to legislation are expected to extend the ban on smoking
The existing Law 4207 on �Prevention and Control of Harm from Tobacco Products�
was amended in January 2006 to extend the ban on smoking in certain public areas
to the private sphere. The new version of the law, drafted by the Turkish
Parliament Health Ministry sub-commission, was approved by the parliament�s
justice sub-commission at time of writing and still needs to be passed by
Parliament's General Assembly. ****If it becomes a law***, it will be a strict
tobacco prevention law on a par with the EU legislation. According to this bill,
smoking will be banned in all enclosed spaces including the corridors of where
more than one person congregates all public transportation vehicles and taxis,
educational institutions, cultural centres for children and the open spaces near
all medical and religious centres and also in stadiums. The new anti tobacco
legislation is also expected to seriously prevent the marketing and sales effort
of all the producers."
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
>> >>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
>> >>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>> >>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>> >>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>> >>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>> >>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>> >> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>> >> it up my list of places to visit!
>> > Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
>> > We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
>> > on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>>
>> Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
>> (Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
>> anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
>> shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
>> the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
>> driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
>
>In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since it was
>banned, I remember few infractions.
>
>You suggested that there's a ban on smoking in restaurants and bars in
>Turkey. Is there or isn't there- that's what the situation is in
>Scotland, and it's certainly been tightly controlled there.
There was a proposed law whether it ever came into effect is not clear.
It certainly wasn't in effect a year ago, otherwise I would have expected some
sign of the effects of it. Like not being asked if we wanted a Non Smoking
apartment for example and not being surrounded by chain smokers when we ate in a
restaurant.
http://www.euromonitor.com/Tobacco_in_Turkey
"Changes to legislation are expected to extend the ban on smoking
The existing Law 4207 on �Prevention and Control of Harm from Tobacco Products�
was amended in January 2006 to extend the ban on smoking in certain public areas
to the private sphere. The new version of the law, drafted by the Turkish
Parliament Health Ministry sub-commission, was approved by the parliament�s
justice sub-commission at time of writing and still needs to be passed by
Parliament's General Assembly. ****If it becomes a law***, it will be a strict
tobacco prevention law on a par with the EU legislation. According to this bill,
smoking will be banned in all enclosed spaces including the corridors of where
more than one person congregates all public transportation vehicles and taxis,
educational institutions, cultural centres for children and the open spaces near
all medical and religious centres and also in stadiums. The new anti tobacco
legislation is also expected to seriously prevent the marketing and sales effort
of all the producers."
--
Martin
May 24th 2007, 9:36 pm
#54
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Re: smoking in Europe
> In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since
> [smoking] was banned, I remember few infractions.
They're common in some bus routes, particularly those run by First
Group (who obviously have a policy set from the top of sabotaging
the ban. Lothian Region Transport buses (serving the same area)
are much better.
> You suggested that there's a ban on smoking in restaurants and
> bars in Turkey. Is there or isn't there- that's what the situation
> is in Scotland, and it's certainly been tightly controlled there.
There is, and as I said I wrote down the number of the statute once.
It's a bugger to google for since Turkish uses the verb for "drink"
to mean "smoke" - I keep getting links to stories about Islamic
local authorities trying to control alcohol. So I still don't know
what it says.
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk =============Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
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> [smoking] was banned, I remember few infractions.
They're common in some bus routes, particularly those run by First
Group (who obviously have a policy set from the top of sabotaging
the ban. Lothian Region Transport buses (serving the same area)
are much better.
> You suggested that there's a ban on smoking in restaurants and
> bars in Turkey. Is there or isn't there- that's what the situation
> is in Scotland, and it's certainly been tightly controlled there.
There is, and as I said I wrote down the number of the statute once.
It's a bugger to google for since Turkish uses the verb for "drink"
to mean "smoke" - I keep getting links to stories about Islamic
local authorities trying to control alcohol. So I still don't know
what it says.
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk =============Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
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May 24th 2007, 9:52 pm
#55
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Thu, 24 May 2007 22:36:31 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since
>> [smoking] was banned, I remember few infractions.
>
>They're common in some bus routes, particularly those run by First
>Group (who obviously have a policy set from the top of sabotaging
>the ban. Lothian Region Transport buses (serving the same area)
>are much better.
>
>
>> You suggested that there's a ban on smoking in restaurants and
>> bars in Turkey. Is there or isn't there- that's what the situation
>> is in Scotland, and it's certainly been tightly controlled there.
>
>There is, and as I said I wrote down the number of the statute once.
>It's a bugger to google for since Turkish uses the verb for "drink"
>to mean "smoke" - I keep getting links to stories about Islamic
>local authorities trying to control alcohol. So I still don't know
>what it says.
Try looking at English reports about smoking legislation in Turkey. There was
certainly NOT a ban a year ago.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since
>> [smoking] was banned, I remember few infractions.
>
>They're common in some bus routes, particularly those run by First
>Group (who obviously have a policy set from the top of sabotaging
>the ban. Lothian Region Transport buses (serving the same area)
>are much better.
>
>
>> You suggested that there's a ban on smoking in restaurants and
>> bars in Turkey. Is there or isn't there- that's what the situation
>> is in Scotland, and it's certainly been tightly controlled there.
>
>There is, and as I said I wrote down the number of the statute once.
>It's a bugger to google for since Turkish uses the verb for "drink"
>to mean "smoke" - I keep getting links to stories about Islamic
>local authorities trying to control alcohol. So I still don't know
>what it says.
Try looking at English reports about smoking legislation in Turkey. There was
certainly NOT a ban a year ago.
--
Martin
May 24th 2007, 10:58 pm
#56
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:20:12 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus
address <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
>>>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
>>>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>>>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>>>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>>>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>>>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>>> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>>> it up my list of places to visit!
>> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
>> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
>> on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>
>Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
>(Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
>anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
>shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
>the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
>driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
>
>============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk =============>Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
><http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
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I gave up smoking six years ago, but I still notice
immediately when others smoke near me.
I wasn't aware of any smoking bans in Istanbul; there seemed
to be smokers lighting up when they felt like it, in public,
on trams and at cafe tables on sidewalks.
Smoking seemed no different to Spain or France as I wandered
through them.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
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address <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
>>>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
>>>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>>>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>>>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>>>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>>>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>>> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>>> it up my list of places to visit!
>> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
>> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
>> on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>
>Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
>(Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
>anybody smoking in public. Ten years ago every bus was like a kippering
>shed; now you will only find people sneaking a smoke in the middle of
>the night on coaches in the middle of nowhere when they're pals with the
>driver, i.e. it's controlled more tightly in practice than in Scotland.
>
>============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk =============>Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
><http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
>stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557
I gave up smoking six years ago, but I still notice
immediately when others smoke near me.
I wasn't aware of any smoking bans in Istanbul; there seemed
to be smokers lighting up when they felt like it, in public,
on trams and at cafe tables on sidewalks.
Smoking seemed no different to Spain or France as I wandered
through them.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
May 25th 2007, 7:02 am
#57
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Thu, 24 May 2007 19:47:06 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>"Yes, we know that second hand smoke is a bit bad for your health.
>However, Europeans value freedom and we don't like to be told what we
>can and can not do. A little bit of second hand smoke will kill nobody.
>Live and let live. "
>
>LOL
a very small bit probably wont, a bit of live and let live is a good
thing.
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email me at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>"Yes, we know that second hand smoke is a bit bad for your health.
>However, Europeans value freedom and we don't like to be told what we
>can and can not do. A little bit of second hand smoke will kill nobody.
>Live and let live. "
>
>LOL
a very small bit probably wont, a bit of live and let live is a good
thing.
--
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Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
email me at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
May 25th 2007, 12:58 pm
#58
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Re: smoking in Europe
Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since
> > [smoking] was banned, I remember few infractions.
>
> They're common in some bus routes, particularly those run by First
> Group (who obviously have a policy set from the top of sabotaging
> the ban. Lothian Region Transport buses (serving the same area)
> are much better.
The ban on smoking on public transport existed before the smoking ban,
and is UK-wide.
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> > In the many years I've taken public transport in Scotland since
> > [smoking] was banned, I remember few infractions.
>
> They're common in some bus routes, particularly those run by First
> Group (who obviously have a policy set from the top of sabotaging
> the ban. Lothian Region Transport buses (serving the same area)
> are much better.
The ban on smoking on public transport existed before the smoking ban,
and is UK-wide.
--
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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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May 25th 2007, 12:58 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:20:12 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
> >>>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
> >>>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
> >>>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
> >>>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
> >>>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
> >>>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
> >>> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
> >>> it up my list of places to visit!
> >> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
> >> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
> >> on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
> >
> >Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
> >(Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
> >anybody smoking in public.
>
> Antalya, Side. I'm not talking about bus travel. I'm talking about people
> smoking in restaurants.
All over Europe, I don't recall smoking on buses being much of a
problem. Where is it common in Europe, if anywhere?
--
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"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:20:12 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Countries with fairly comprehensive bans on smoking in public
> >>>>> places (including bars and restaurants) include: Ireland, Italy,
> >>>>> Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
> >>>>> Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
> >>>>> think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
> >>>> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
> >>>> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
> >>> So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
> >>> it up my list of places to visit!
> >> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
> >> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly
> >> on the move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
> >
> >Where were you? I've been all over the country in the last few years
> >(Istanbul, Edirne, Antalya, Trabzon, Diyarbakir...) and found hardly
> >anybody smoking in public.
>
> Antalya, Side. I'm not talking about bus travel. I'm talking about people
> smoking in restaurants.
All over Europe, I don't recall smoking on buses being much of a
problem. Where is it common in Europe, if anywhere?
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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May 25th 2007, 12:58 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:20:12 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus
> address <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> I wasn't aware of any smoking bans in Istanbul; there seemed
> to be smokers lighting up when they felt like it, in public,
> on trams and at cafe tables on sidewalks.
>
> Smoking seemed no different to Spain or France as I wandered
> through them.
The law in Spain seems very weak. The one advantage of it is that I
think that all businesses have to state their policy, so you'll be able
to tell from the outside what the policy is. It seemed to me that the
minority of restaurants were completely non-smoking.
France is set to have a stricter law imposed, unless this has changed
again!
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:20:12 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus
> address <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> I wasn't aware of any smoking bans in Istanbul; there seemed
> to be smokers lighting up when they felt like it, in public,
> on trams and at cafe tables on sidewalks.
>
> Smoking seemed no different to Spain or France as I wandered
> through them.
The law in Spain seems very weak. The one advantage of it is that I
think that all businesses have to state their policy, so you'll be able
to tell from the outside what the policy is. It seemed to me that the
minority of restaurants were completely non-smoking.
France is set to have a stricter law imposed, unless this has changed
again!
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007