smoking in Europe
May 24th 2007, 11:16 am
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Re: smoking in Europe
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>I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
> the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no smoking.
In the British Isles smoking in public places is currently banned in
Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland & Wales. England's ban will come into
force on 1st July 2007.
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>I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
> the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no smoking.
In the British Isles smoking in public places is currently banned in
Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland & Wales. England's ban will come into
force on 1st July 2007.
May 24th 2007, 11:23 am
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:00:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> can one afford them?
>
>They wouldn't exist otherwise, but if it's anything like Norway, they
>won't be cheap.
possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> can one afford them?
>
>They wouldn't exist otherwise, but if it's anything like Norway, they
>won't be cheap.
possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
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May 24th 2007, 11:35 am
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:00:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> can one afford them?
> >
> >They wouldn't exist otherwise, but if it's anything like Norway, they
> >won't be cheap.
>
> possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
I've been on a pub crawl in Bergen. It was certainly fun- just
expensive.
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> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:00:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> can one afford them?
> >
> >They wouldn't exist otherwise, but if it's anything like Norway, they
> >won't be cheap.
>
> possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
I've been on a pub crawl in Bergen. It was certainly fun- just
expensive.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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May 24th 2007, 11:37 am
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Mark Hewitt <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
> >I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
> > the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no smoking.
>
> In the British Isles smoking in public places is currently banned in
> Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland & Wales. England's ban will come into
> force on 1st July 2007.
You'd hardly know either. Most of the pubs here still have those
offensive (smoking policy: smoking allowed throughout) stickers on the
entrances. With luck it will be raining heavily on July 1.
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> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
> >I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
> > the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no smoking.
>
> In the British Isles smoking in public places is currently banned in
> Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland & Wales. England's ban will come into
> force on 1st July 2007.
You'd hardly know either. Most of the pubs here still have those
offensive (smoking policy: smoking allowed throughout) stickers on the
entrances. With luck it will be raining heavily on July 1.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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May 24th 2007, 11:45 am
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:00 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
>
>I've been on a pub crawl in Bergen. It was certainly fun- just
>expensive.
I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
>
>I've been on a pub crawl in Bergen. It was certainly fun- just
>expensive.
I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
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May 24th 2007, 11:47 am
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:37:21 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Most of the pubs here still have those
>offensive (smoking policy: smoking allowed throughout) stickers on the
>entrances. With luck it will be raining heavily on July 1.
cant say I like the **** the smokers approach. I would have preferred
some compromise so everybody could live thier lives the way they wish.
The staff issue probably makes it impossible though.
As Churchill said "magnaminity in victory". or something.
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Most of the pubs here still have those
>offensive (smoking policy: smoking allowed throughout) stickers on the
>entrances. With luck it will be raining heavily on July 1.
cant say I like the **** the smokers approach. I would have preferred
some compromise so everybody could live thier lives the way they wish.
The staff issue probably makes it impossible though.
As Churchill said "magnaminity in victory". or something.
--
Mike Reid
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May 24th 2007, 11:53 am
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:00 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
> >
> >I've been on a pub crawl in Bergen. It was certainly fun- just
> >expensive.
>
> I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
I doubt that very much actually. Indeed, a 2 second google search
brought up plenty in Reykjavik. I doubt you'll have as many per capita
as you do in the UK, certainly.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:00 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
> >
> >I've been on a pub crawl in Bergen. It was certainly fun- just
> >expensive.
>
> I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
I doubt that very much actually. Indeed, a 2 second google search
brought up plenty in Reykjavik. I doubt you'll have as many per capita
as you do in the UK, certainly.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 24th 2007, 11:57 am
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Re: smoking in Europe
The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:37:21 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Most of the pubs here still have those
> >offensive (smoking policy: smoking allowed throughout) stickers on the
> >entrances. With luck it will be raining heavily on July 1.
>
> cant say I like the **** the smokers approach.
It sounds a bit heavy handed, but I'm constantly being ****ed by their
smoke. Even walking behind someone on the street can be uncomfortable.
> I would have preferred
> some compromise so everybody could live thier lives the way they wish.
I was sick of constantly having to think about whether or not someone
would light up next to me in a restaurant.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:37:21 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Most of the pubs here still have those
> >offensive (smoking policy: smoking allowed throughout) stickers on the
> >entrances. With luck it will be raining heavily on July 1.
>
> cant say I like the **** the smokers approach.
It sounds a bit heavy handed, but I'm constantly being ****ed by their
smoke. Even walking behind someone on the street can be uncomfortable.
> I would have preferred
> some compromise so everybody could live thier lives the way they wish.
I was sick of constantly having to think about whether or not someone
would light up next to me in a restaurant.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 24th 2007, 12:15 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:53:20 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:00 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
>> >
>> >I've been on a pub crawl in Bergen. It was certainly fun- just
>> >expensive.
>>
>> I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
>
>I doubt that very much actually. Indeed, a 2 second google search
>brought up plenty in Reykjavik. I doubt you'll have as many per capita
>as you do in the UK, certainly.
I was surprised how many fish and chip shops google found in a Swedish town that
I googled.
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Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:00 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> possibly as much fun as an Icelandic pub crawl?
>> >
>> >I've been on a pub crawl in Bergen. It was certainly fun- just
>> >expensive.
>>
>> I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
>
>I doubt that very much actually. Indeed, a 2 second google search
>brought up plenty in Reykjavik. I doubt you'll have as many per capita
>as you do in the UK, certainly.
I was surprised how many fish and chip shops google found in a Swedish town that
I googled.
--
Martin
May 24th 2007, 12:22 pm
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:53:20 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
>
>I doubt that very much actually. Indeed, a 2 second google search
>brought up plenty in Reykjavik. I doubt you'll have as many per capita
>as you do in the UK, certainly.
itys probably impoved then, when I was there it was almost impossible
to buy a drink without a full meal.
--
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_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
>
>I doubt that very much actually. Indeed, a 2 second google search
>brought up plenty in Reykjavik. I doubt you'll have as many per capita
>as you do in the UK, certainly.
itys probably impoved then, when I was there it was almost impossible
to buy a drink without a full meal.
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
email me at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
May 24th 2007, 12:23 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:14:33 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:00:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
>> >> >> the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no smoking.
>> >> > You can find this out on the internet. Countries with fairly
>> >> > comprehensive bans on smoking in public places (including bars
>> >> > and restaurants) include:
>> >> > Ireland, Italy, Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>> >> > Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>> >> > think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>> >> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>> >
>> >So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>> >it up my list of places to visit!
>>
>> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
>>
>> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly on the
>> move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>
>Oh- OK then- I'll scrub Turkey then, at least in weather when I'd have
>to sit inside...
... worse we never sat inside, but you have to sit to at somewhere and wherever
it is a smoker always manages to get up wind of you. Even on the beach.
We aren't going again, until
a) There is a real no smoking ban.
b) The Kurds stop killing tourists/gas bottles stop mysteriously exploding
killing tourists.
Probably not in my life time.
See UK FO web site for warnings.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:00:17 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> I was just wondering how smoking in Europe compares with smoking in
>> >> >> the U.S. I'd like to find a European country with almost no smoking.
>> >> > You can find this out on the internet. Countries with fairly
>> >> > comprehensive bans on smoking in public places (including bars
>> >> > and restaurants) include:
>> >> > Ireland, Italy, Norway, Scotland, Wales, and as of this July, England.
>> >> > Other countries are enacting similar laws, but I can't immediately
>> >> > think of other European countries with laws as stringent at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> Turkey has something fairly similar - I've lost the reference to the
>> >> law, but the effect has been much the same as in Scotland.
>> >
>> >So you can't smoke in restaurants or bars in Turkey? I'll have to push
>> >it up my list of places to visit!
>>
>> Of course you can and even worse everybody over about 12 chain smokes.
>>
>> We spent our two weeks in June-July in Turkey last year, constantly on the
>> move trying to avoid cigarette smoke.
>
>Oh- OK then- I'll scrub Turkey then, at least in weather when I'd have
>to sit inside...
... worse we never sat inside, but you have to sit to at somewhere and wherever
it is a smoker always manages to get up wind of you. Even on the beach.
We aren't going again, until
a) There is a real no smoking ban.
b) The Kurds stop killing tourists/gas bottles stop mysteriously exploding
killing tourists.
Probably not in my life time.
See UK FO web site for warnings.
--
Martin
May 24th 2007, 12:24 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:53:20 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
> >
> >I doubt that very much actually. Indeed, a 2 second google search
> >brought up plenty in Reykjavik. I doubt you'll have as many per capita
> >as you do in the UK, certainly.
>
> itys probably impoved then, when I was there it was almost impossible
> to buy a drink without a full meal.
When were you there? People used to tell me the same thing about
Bergen...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:53:20 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> I dont think there are any pubs in Iceland
> >
> >I doubt that very much actually. Indeed, a 2 second google search
> >brought up plenty in Reykjavik. I doubt you'll have as many per capita
> >as you do in the UK, certainly.
>
> itys probably impoved then, when I was there it was almost impossible
> to buy a drink without a full meal.
When were you there? People used to tell me the same thing about
Bergen...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 24th 2007, 12:25 pm
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:57:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> cant say I like the **** the smokers approach.
>
>It sounds a bit heavy handed, but I'm constantly being ****ed by their
>smoke.
you wont be in future, hence magnanimity in victory.
>Even walking behind someone on the street can be uncomfortable.
I can live with that.
>> I would have preferred
>> some compromise so everybody could live thier lives the way they wish.
>
>I was sick of constantly having to think about whether or not someone
>would light up next to me in a restaurant.
see above.
It hasn't happened to me for some considerable time actually, the
Wasdale Head has been non smoking for years.
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
email me at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> cant say I like the **** the smokers approach.
>
>It sounds a bit heavy handed, but I'm constantly being ****ed by their
>smoke.
you wont be in future, hence magnanimity in victory.
>Even walking behind someone on the street can be uncomfortable.
I can live with that.
>> I would have preferred
>> some compromise so everybody could live thier lives the way they wish.
>
>I was sick of constantly having to think about whether or not someone
>would light up next to me in a restaurant.
see above.
It hasn't happened to me for some considerable time actually, the
Wasdale Head has been non smoking for years.
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
email me at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
May 24th 2007, 12:29 pm
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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:57:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> cant say I like the **** the smokers approach.
> >
> >It sounds a bit heavy handed, but I'm constantly being ****ed by their
> >smoke.
>
> you wont be in future,
Of course I will- they'll all be standing outside the entrance to the
pubs and restaurants, blocking my way!
> hence magnanimity in victory.
>
> >Even walking behind someone on the street can be uncomfortable.
>
> I can live with that.
I can usually move. Some cigarettes don't half stink though. How does
the lawaffect a bus shelter. When it's raining, I frequently have to
share a limited space with a smoker. I hope they're included too.
[]
> >I was sick of constantly having to think about whether or not someone
> >would light up next to me in a restaurant.
>
> see above.
>
> It hasn't happened to me for some considerable time actually, the
> Wasdale Head has been non smoking for years.
Just a few weeks ago, we left a London restaurant when we realised you
could smoke anywhere. As I've written before, there are plenty of
restaurants here which are already non-smoking, although some have
smoking bars, and there's that peeing in the pool analogy again. We were
at the Chaophraya Thai restaurant here recently, which I thought was
excellent (perhaps as close to taste of Thai food in Thailand I've had
here so far) but it has a large bar area on the ground floor, and it
wafted up...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:57:32 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> cant say I like the **** the smokers approach.
> >
> >It sounds a bit heavy handed, but I'm constantly being ****ed by their
> >smoke.
>
> you wont be in future,
Of course I will- they'll all be standing outside the entrance to the
pubs and restaurants, blocking my way!
> hence magnanimity in victory.
>
> >Even walking behind someone on the street can be uncomfortable.
>
> I can live with that.
I can usually move. Some cigarettes don't half stink though. How does
the lawaffect a bus shelter. When it's raining, I frequently have to
share a limited space with a smoker. I hope they're included too.
[]
> >I was sick of constantly having to think about whether or not someone
> >would light up next to me in a restaurant.
>
> see above.
>
> It hasn't happened to me for some considerable time actually, the
> Wasdale Head has been non smoking for years.
Just a few weeks ago, we left a London restaurant when we realised you
could smoke anywhere. As I've written before, there are plenty of
restaurants here which are already non-smoking, although some have
smoking bars, and there's that peeing in the pool analogy again. We were
at the Chaophraya Thai restaurant here recently, which I thought was
excellent (perhaps as close to taste of Thai food in Thailand I've had
here so far) but it has a large bar area on the ground floor, and it
wafted up...
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
May 24th 2007, 12:29 pm
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Re: smoking in Europe
On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:24:45 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> itys probably impoved then, when I was there it was almost impossible
>> to buy a drink without a full meal.
>
>When were you there? People used to tell me the same thing about
>Bergen...
25 years ago!
--
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Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
email me at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> itys probably impoved then, when I was there it was almost impossible
>> to buy a drink without a full meal.
>
>When were you there? People used to tell me the same thing about
>Bergen...
25 years ago!
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
email me at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"