Settling in Switzerland
Jan 28th 2005, 3:43 am
#31
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:34:18 +0100, Thomas Stalder
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Or if you just refere to how to get citizenship you might be right as well.
>On the other hand once I tried to travel to Australia the burocracy was
>immense
We are about to travel to Australia for a holiday, there is no
bureaucracy at the moment, just buy a ticket and the travel agent
prints a visa whilst you wait. I've been to Oz several times over the
last 30 years, I never had a problem with bureaucracy.
Which problems have you encountered? Did you want to work in
Australia?
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Or if you just refere to how to get citizenship you might be right as well.
>On the other hand once I tried to travel to Australia the burocracy was
>immense
We are about to travel to Australia for a holiday, there is no
bureaucracy at the moment, just buy a ticket and the travel agent
prints a visa whilst you wait. I've been to Oz several times over the
last 30 years, I never had a problem with bureaucracy.
Which problems have you encountered? Did you want to work in
Australia?
--
Martin
Jan 28th 2005, 4:10 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
nitram wrote:
> We are about to travel to Australia for a holiday, there is no
> bureaucracy at the moment, just buy a ticket and the travel agent
> prints a visa whilst you wait. I've been to Oz several times over the
> last 30 years, I never had a problem with bureaucracy.
> Which problems have you encountered? Did you want to work in
> Australia?
Traveling for 3 months, 1993, a huge sticker in the passport:
9201 no residence, 9102 no work, 9106 no study.
Getting a Visum from the embassy in Berne was quite a hassle.
But it's true, the 2nd time I even didn't have to get a Visum in advance
anymore. (Traveling Nov. 2000 to Feb. 2001)
Entrance was possible easily.
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> We are about to travel to Australia for a holiday, there is no
> bureaucracy at the moment, just buy a ticket and the travel agent
> prints a visa whilst you wait. I've been to Oz several times over the
> last 30 years, I never had a problem with bureaucracy.
> Which problems have you encountered? Did you want to work in
> Australia?
Traveling for 3 months, 1993, a huge sticker in the passport:
9201 no residence, 9102 no work, 9106 no study.
Getting a Visum from the embassy in Berne was quite a hassle.
But it's true, the 2nd time I even didn't have to get a Visum in advance
anymore. (Traveling Nov. 2000 to Feb. 2001)
Entrance was possible easily.
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Jan 28th 2005, 4:13 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:40:43 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so
> they looked like
> this :
> ...
> ... "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
> ... <[email protected]> wrote in message
> ... news:1gr3i73.zvdrod1aznqj6N%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
> ... ....
> ... > It depends where the OP is from. For EU/EEA nationals, it's easy to
> move
> ... > there and get a residence permit- it doesn't need to be for
> employment
> ... > either, though it allows you to work. After 5 years continuous
> ... > residence, you could apply for permanent residence. Citizenship is
> ... > notoriously tricky in Switzerland, and I believe the difficulty
> varies
> ... > from locality to locality. (Cantons?)
> ...
> ... I knew a chap, rather renowned in his field, who was offered Swiss
> ... citizenship without seeking it. Many years later, he admitted that it
> may
> ... have been a mistake to turn it down, but he did not particularly
> relish the
> ... idea of living in Switzerland, or more accurately, among the Swiss.
> ...
> ... Colin Bignell
> Because all Swiss persons are forced by law to live in Switzerland ?
The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and working
there.
Colin Bignell
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:40:43 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so
> they looked like
> this :
> ...
> ... "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
> ... <[email protected]> wrote in message
> ... news:1gr3i73.zvdrod1aznqj6N%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
> ... ....
> ... > It depends where the OP is from. For EU/EEA nationals, it's easy to
> move
> ... > there and get a residence permit- it doesn't need to be for
> employment
> ... > either, though it allows you to work. After 5 years continuous
> ... > residence, you could apply for permanent residence. Citizenship is
> ... > notoriously tricky in Switzerland, and I believe the difficulty
> varies
> ... > from locality to locality. (Cantons?)
> ...
> ... I knew a chap, rather renowned in his field, who was offered Swiss
> ... citizenship without seeking it. Many years later, he admitted that it
> may
> ... have been a mistake to turn it down, but he did not particularly
> relish the
> ... idea of living in Switzerland, or more accurately, among the Swiss.
> ...
> ... Colin Bignell
> Because all Swiss persons are forced by law to live in Switzerland ?
The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and working
there.
Colin Bignell
Jan 28th 2005, 4:18 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:10:11 +0100, Thomas Stalder
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> We are about to travel to Australia for a holiday, there is no
>> bureaucracy at the moment, just buy a ticket and the travel agent
>> prints a visa whilst you wait. I've been to Oz several times over the
>> last 30 years, I never had a problem with bureaucracy.
>> Which problems have you encountered? Did you want to work in
>> Australia?
>Traveling for 3 months, 1993, a huge sticker in the passport:
>9201 no residence, 9102 no work, 9106 no study.
>Getting a Visum from the embassy in Berne was quite a hassle.
>But it's true, the 2nd time I even didn't have to get a Visum in advance
>anymore. (Traveling Nov. 2000 to Feb. 2001)
>Entrance was possible easily.
They've closed a lot of consulates, there isn't one in the Netherlands
anymore. I can't see the point of the visa, but at least it is free.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> We are about to travel to Australia for a holiday, there is no
>> bureaucracy at the moment, just buy a ticket and the travel agent
>> prints a visa whilst you wait. I've been to Oz several times over the
>> last 30 years, I never had a problem with bureaucracy.
>> Which problems have you encountered? Did you want to work in
>> Australia?
>Traveling for 3 months, 1993, a huge sticker in the passport:
>9201 no residence, 9102 no work, 9106 no study.
>Getting a Visum from the embassy in Berne was quite a hassle.
>But it's true, the 2nd time I even didn't have to get a Visum in advance
>anymore. (Traveling Nov. 2000 to Feb. 2001)
>Entrance was possible easily.
They've closed a lot of consulates, there isn't one in the Netherlands
anymore. I can't see the point of the visa, but at least it is free.
--
Martin
Jan 28th 2005, 4:34 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:13:34 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
<nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :
...
... The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and working
... there.
Forever ?
<nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :
...
... The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and working
... there.
Forever ?
Jan 28th 2005, 5:54 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:34:18 +0100, Thomas Stalder
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>> Honestly, what is it with Switzerland? The contrasts you experience in
>> that place are extraordinary. The people have to be the most 'closed'
>> on the planet!
>Have you been here or what makes you to judge so?
Yes I have been to Switzerland at least 4 times this year. I am living
in Italy, but often work in Winterthur, so that may cloud my view, but
the Swiss are not warm people. The feeling of the place is basically
"come, see the mountains and leave your wallet".
>You might be right for a couple of remote valleys (it's the same with
>the people in the Andes in Peru or Bolivia).
>But surely not in Geneva, Basel, Berne, Zurich etc.
>Or if you just refere to how to get citizenship you might be right as well.
>On the other hand once I tried to travel to Australia the burocracy was
>immense and the US ... I'd rather not talk about.
True that US and Australian bureaucracy is extremely tough. I managed
to get an Australian passport, and it was not easy. Never tried to get
an American one though.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>> Honestly, what is it with Switzerland? The contrasts you experience in
>> that place are extraordinary. The people have to be the most 'closed'
>> on the planet!
>Have you been here or what makes you to judge so?
Yes I have been to Switzerland at least 4 times this year. I am living
in Italy, but often work in Winterthur, so that may cloud my view, but
the Swiss are not warm people. The feeling of the place is basically
"come, see the mountains and leave your wallet".
>You might be right for a couple of remote valleys (it's the same with
>the people in the Andes in Peru or Bolivia).
>But surely not in Geneva, Basel, Berne, Zurich etc.
>Or if you just refere to how to get citizenship you might be right as well.
>On the other hand once I tried to travel to Australia the burocracy was
>immense and the US ... I'd rather not talk about.
True that US and Australian bureaucracy is extremely tough. I managed
to get an Australian passport, and it was not easy. Never tried to get
an American one though.
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Jan 28th 2005, 6:08 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:13:34 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so
> they looked like
> this :
> ...
> ... The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and
> working
> ... there.
> Forever ?
It would only seem that way.
Colin Bignell
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:13:34 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so
> they looked like
> this :
> ...
> ... The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and
> working
> ... there.
> Forever ?
It would only seem that way.
Colin Bignell
Jan 28th 2005, 7:39 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:13:34 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so
> they looked like
> this :
> ...
> ... The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and
> working
> ... there.
> Forever ?
No, just until he died or reached age 70.
JohnT
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> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:13:34 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so
> they looked like
> this :
> ...
> ... The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and
> working
> ... there.
> Forever ?
No, just until he died or reached age 70.
JohnT
Jan 28th 2005, 7:41 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:34:18 +0100, Thomas Stalder
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>>> Honestly, what is it with Switzerland? The contrasts you experience
>>> in
>>> that place are extraordinary. The people have to be the most 'closed'
>>> on the planet!
>>Have you been here or what makes you to judge so?
> Yes I have been to Switzerland at least 4 times this year. I am living
> in Italy, but often work in Winterthur, so that may cloud my view, but
> the Swiss are not warm people. The feeling of the place is basically
> "come, see the mountains and leave your wallet".
I have a holiday each Summer in Wengen at a hotel which is Swiss owned
and Swiss and Italian managed. The Italian and the Swiss personnel are
all extremely welcoming.
JohnT
message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:34:18 +0100, Thomas Stalder
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>>> Honestly, what is it with Switzerland? The contrasts you experience
>>> in
>>> that place are extraordinary. The people have to be the most 'closed'
>>> on the planet!
>>Have you been here or what makes you to judge so?
> Yes I have been to Switzerland at least 4 times this year. I am living
> in Italy, but often work in Winterthur, so that may cloud my view, but
> the Swiss are not warm people. The feeling of the place is basically
> "come, see the mountains and leave your wallet".
I have a holiday each Summer in Wengen at a hotel which is Swiss owned
and Swiss and Italian managed. The Italian and the Swiss personnel are
all extremely welcoming.
JohnT
Jan 28th 2005, 7:48 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:39:11 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "JohnT"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:[email protected]...
... > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:13:34 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
... > <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so
... > they looked like
... > this :
... >
... > ...
... > ... The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and
... > working
... > ... there.
... >
... > Forever ?
...
... No, just until he died or reached age 70.
LOL
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:[email protected]...
... > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:13:34 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
... > <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons, so
... > they looked like
... > this :
... >
... > ...
... > ... The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and
... > working
... > ... there.
... >
... > Forever ?
...
... No, just until he died or reached age 70.
LOL
Jan 28th 2005, 7:49 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
"nightjar" <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:40:43 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
>> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons,
>> so they looked like
>> this :
>> ...
>> ... "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
>> ... <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> ... news:1gr3i73.zvdrod1aznqj6N%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
>> ... ....
>> ... > It depends where the OP is from. For EU/EEA nationals, it's
>> easy to move
>> ... > there and get a residence permit- it doesn't need to be for
>> employment
>> ... > either, though it allows you to work. After 5 years continuous
>> ... > residence, you could apply for permanent residence. Citizenship
>> is ... > notoriously tricky in Switzerland, and I believe the
>> difficulty varies
>> ... > from locality to locality. (Cantons?)
>> ...
>> ... I knew a chap, rather renowned in his field, who was offered
>> Swiss ... citizenship without seeking it. Many years later, he
>> admitted that it may
>> ... have been a mistake to turn it down, but he did not particularly
>> relish the
>> ... idea of living in Switzerland, or more accurately, among the
>> Swiss. ...
>> ... Colin Bignell
>> Because all Swiss persons are forced by law to live in Switzerland ?
>
> The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and
> working there.
>
> Colin Bignell
Is that unexpected?
Shouldn't one have some connection to a country one wants to be a
citizend of?
news:[email protected]:
> "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:40:43 -0000, in rec.travel.europe, "nightjar"
>> <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here>.uk.com> arranged some electrons,
>> so they looked like
>> this :
>> ...
>> ... "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
>> ... <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> ... news:1gr3i73.zvdrod1aznqj6N%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
>> ... ....
>> ... > It depends where the OP is from. For EU/EEA nationals, it's
>> easy to move
>> ... > there and get a residence permit- it doesn't need to be for
>> employment
>> ... > either, though it allows you to work. After 5 years continuous
>> ... > residence, you could apply for permanent residence. Citizenship
>> is ... > notoriously tricky in Switzerland, and I believe the
>> difficulty varies
>> ... > from locality to locality. (Cantons?)
>> ...
>> ... I knew a chap, rather renowned in his field, who was offered
>> Swiss ... citizenship without seeking it. Many years later, he
>> admitted that it may
>> ... have been a mistake to turn it down, but he did not particularly
>> relish the
>> ... idea of living in Switzerland, or more accurately, among the
>> Swiss. ...
>> ... Colin Bignell
>> Because all Swiss persons are forced by law to live in Switzerland ?
>
> The citizenship was conditional on him moving to Switzerland and
> working there.
>
> Colin Bignell
Is that unexpected?
Shouldn't one have some connection to a country one wants to be a
citizend of?
Jan 28th 2005, 7:50 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:41:51 -0000, "JohnT"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:34:18 +0100, Thomas Stalder
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>>>> Honestly, what is it with Switzerland? The contrasts you experience
>>>> in
>>>> that place are extraordinary. The people have to be the most 'closed'
>>>> on the planet!
>>>Have you been here or what makes you to judge so?
>> Yes I have been to Switzerland at least 4 times this year. I am living
>> in Italy, but often work in Winterthur, so that may cloud my view, but
>> the Swiss are not warm people. The feeling of the place is basically
>> "come, see the mountains and leave your wallet".
>I have a holiday each Summer in Wengen at a hotel which is Swiss owned
>and Swiss and Italian managed. The Italian and the Swiss personnel are
>all extremely welcoming.
That is because you are paying them.
Maybe occasionally it occurs that a Swiss person shows kindness to a
stranger, but I have yet to experience it. When it has happened, it's
been by expats.
Please, let me see an exception to this next time I go there!
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:34:18 +0100, Thomas Stalder
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>>>> Honestly, what is it with Switzerland? The contrasts you experience
>>>> in
>>>> that place are extraordinary. The people have to be the most 'closed'
>>>> on the planet!
>>>Have you been here or what makes you to judge so?
>> Yes I have been to Switzerland at least 4 times this year. I am living
>> in Italy, but often work in Winterthur, so that may cloud my view, but
>> the Swiss are not warm people. The feeling of the place is basically
>> "come, see the mountains and leave your wallet".
>I have a holiday each Summer in Wengen at a hotel which is Swiss owned
>and Swiss and Italian managed. The Italian and the Swiss personnel are
>all extremely welcoming.
That is because you are paying them.
Maybe occasionally it occurs that a Swiss person shows kindness to a
stranger, but I have yet to experience it. When it has happened, it's
been by expats.
Please, let me see an exception to this next time I go there!
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Jan 28th 2005, 7:51 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:34:18 +0100, Thomas Stalder
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>>> Honestly, what is it with Switzerland? The contrasts you experience
>>> in that place are extraordinary. The people have to be the most
>>> 'closed' on the planet!
>>Have you been here or what makes you to judge so?
>
> Yes I have been to Switzerland at least 4 times this year. I am living
> in Italy, but often work in Winterthur, so that may cloud my view, but
> the Swiss are not warm people. The feeling of the place is basically
> "come, see the mountains and leave your wallet".
Don't be silly. Maybe it's just you! ;o)
news:[email protected]:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:34:18 +0100, Thomas Stalder
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>>> Honestly, what is it with Switzerland? The contrasts you experience
>>> in that place are extraordinary. The people have to be the most
>>> 'closed' on the planet!
>>Have you been here or what makes you to judge so?
>
> Yes I have been to Switzerland at least 4 times this year. I am living
> in Italy, but often work in Winterthur, so that may cloud my view, but
> the Swiss are not warm people. The feeling of the place is basically
> "come, see the mountains and leave your wallet".
Don't be silly. Maybe it's just you! ;o)
Jan 28th 2005, 7:57 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
On 28 Jan 2005 21:49:18 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Emilia <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Is that unexpected?
... Shouldn't one have some connection to a country one wants to be a
... citizend of?
That's good for trees, not for people.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Is that unexpected?
... Shouldn't one have some connection to a country one wants to be a
... citizend of?
That's good for trees, not for people.
Jan 28th 2005, 7:59 am
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Re: Settling in Switzerland
Thomas Stalder <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Emilia wrote:
>
>> No. You become a Swiss citizen not a citizen of a
>> canton. But you have to have a "canton de origin" which
>> usaully goes down from father to children, etc. So, my
>> friend is a Swiss citizen with Graubunden as her canton
>> of origin even though she was born and has lived her
>> whole life in Geneva. I don't think she's even been to
>> Graubunden.
>
> Well, I AM citizen of one village, one city, two cantons and of
> Switzerland. This is pretty well defined.
>
> For example after elections it reads in the publications (ie.)
> "Gewählt ist Fritz Müller, Bürger von Brunnen, SZ".
> This translates to "Elected has been Fritz Muller, citizen of Brunnen,
> SZ) where Brunnen is the town and SZ is the canton Schwyz in this
> example.
>
My point is that ultimately one is a citizen of the country and has all
such rights. As I said, my friend has never even been to her "canton of
origin" (GR) and it doesn't effect her life in the canton she was born &
lived her whole life (GE). In her passport it says "Originaire de/Burger
(in) von/Place of Origin (etc): Chur/GR. AFAIK in French & English this
does not mean "citizen of". Does Burger(in) von mean "citizen of"?
news:[email protected]:
> Emilia wrote:
>
>> No. You become a Swiss citizen not a citizen of a
>> canton. But you have to have a "canton de origin" which
>> usaully goes down from father to children, etc. So, my
>> friend is a Swiss citizen with Graubunden as her canton
>> of origin even though she was born and has lived her
>> whole life in Geneva. I don't think she's even been to
>> Graubunden.
>
> Well, I AM citizen of one village, one city, two cantons and of
> Switzerland. This is pretty well defined.
>
> For example after elections it reads in the publications (ie.)
> "Gewählt ist Fritz Müller, Bürger von Brunnen, SZ".
> This translates to "Elected has been Fritz Muller, citizen of Brunnen,
> SZ) where Brunnen is the town and SZ is the canton Schwyz in this
> example.
>
My point is that ultimately one is a citizen of the country and has all
such rights. As I said, my friend has never even been to her "canton of
origin" (GR) and it doesn't effect her life in the canton she was born &
lived her whole life (GE). In her passport it says "Originaire de/Burger
(in) von/Place of Origin (etc): Chur/GR. AFAIK in French & English this
does not mean "citizen of". Does Burger(in) von mean "citizen of"?
