William Black

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:35:09 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:

>>I meant Zeebrugge...
>
> Better food though?

About the same.

Same menu anyway.

The Europort ships are twice the size and so have more choice for some items
but it's the usual P&O food routine, 'stay away from the main courses'...

The cabins are nowhere near as good.



--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

-Martin

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:57:25 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:35:09 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>
>>>I meant Zeebrugge...
>>
>> Better food though?
>
>About the same.
>
>Same menu anyway.
>
>The Europort ships are twice the size and so have more choice for some items
>but it's the usual P&O food routine, 'stay away from the main courses'...

There's always the pleasure of watching greedy gits putting all the main courses
on one plate and then adding salad on top.

>
>The cabins are nowhere near as good.

The Zeebrugge boats are the previous generation of Europoort boats, AKA Norsea
and Norwave before they became the Pride of anything. I remember the decoration
of the inside cabins being less claustrophobic than the current boats. Most
memorable is the feeling of unstable equilibrium in a storm.
--

Martin

Graham Harrison

"tam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] k...
> Hi all
> I need to travel by rail and ferry to France in October as my wife is
> terrified of flying-and-tunnels.
> I thought overnight from Edinburgh to London and then on to Dover to catch
> the ferry to Calais-but-now doubts creep in.
> I remember last year endless delays on the train into London when I stayed
> in Tumbridge Wells for a fortnight.
> What London station would be best to avoid.
> Tam
>
>

"France" is a bit of a big target! If you're going to Britanny, for
example you could go to Portsmouth, Poole Weymouth or Plymouth (allowing you
to avoid London) and then take a ferry to somewhere like Roscoff, Cherbourg,
Le Havre, St Malo or Caen. (Condor, Britanny or LD Lines)

Alan Harrison

"David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In happier train news, I see that Manchester Piccadilly (deservedly IMO)
> gets high marks:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/6927406.stm
>
> I wonder how Birmingham New Street did...

I dread to think! I was there about 70 minutes ago and it was still the same
dismal hole in the ground. However, it is apparently going to get a major
rebuild in the near future.

However, I just wondered whether another possibility for the OP might be a
cross-country run from Scotland through Brum to one of the south coast
ports, and then ferry to Cherbourg, Le Havre or similar.

Alan Harrison

David Horne

ALAN HARRISON <[email protected]> wrote:

> "David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1i27xsp.1xcx80d1fxtjwzN%[email protected]...
>
> > In happier train news, I see that Manchester Piccadilly (deservedly IMO)
> > gets high marks:
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/6927406.stm
> >
> > I wonder how Birmingham New Street did...
>
> I dread to think! I was there about 70 minutes ago and it was still the same
> dismal hole in the ground. However, it is apparently going to get a major
> rebuild in the near future.

Very nice it looks too, but it's going to take a long time though, and
Manchester Piccadilly was an utter _nightmare_ when it had building
works...

I don't understand why the pub there is so small. It's _always_ busy...

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David Horne

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:

> ALAN HARRISON <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:1i27xsp.1xcx80d1fxtjwzN%[email protected]...
> >
> > > In happier train news, I see that Manchester Piccadilly (deservedly IMO)
> > > gets high marks:
> > >
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/6927406.stm
> > >
> > > I wonder how Birmingham New Street did...
> >
> > I dread to think! I was there about 70 minutes ago and it was still the same
> > dismal hole in the ground. However, it is apparently going to get a major
> > rebuild in the near future.
>
> Very nice it looks too,

When it's finished, that is- you can access the plans online!

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

William Black

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:57:25 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:35:09 GMT, "William Black"
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>I meant Zeebrugge...
>>>
>>> Better food though?
>>
>>About the same.
>>
>>Same menu anyway.
>>
>>The Europort ships are twice the size and so have more choice for some
>>items
>>but it's the usual P&O food routine, 'stay away from the main courses'...
>
> There's always the pleasure of watching greedy gits putting all the main
> courses
> on one plate and then adding salad on top.

I know.

You'd have thought they'd have worked out by now that they can actually go
around as many times as they like...

Mind you, even today, a lot of English people believe the definition of 'a
good meal' is one where there is more meat than they can comfortably eat.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Jack Campin - bogus addre

>>> I think the fear here is the 30 minute or so tunnel journey on
>>> the eurostar. On many of the UK tunnels, at high speed the time
>>> in the tunnel won't be more than a minute.
>> The risk of an accident is probably higher in a normal rail tunnel.
> A vanishingly small risk in any event!

Googling "britain rail tunnel accident" gives 1.7 million hits.

For decades the world's worst rail accident was the 1944 Salerno
one - more than 500 people suffocated when a train got stuck in
a tunnel with its engine running.

However, more people died in the Salang Tunnel accident in 1982
in Afghanistan, and that was a road accident.

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David Horne

Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:

> >>> I think the fear here is the 30 minute or so tunnel journey on
> >>> the eurostar. On many of the UK tunnels, at high speed the time
> >>> in the tunnel won't be more than a minute.
> >> The risk of an accident is probably higher in a normal rail tunnel.
> > A vanishingly small risk in any event!
>
> Googling "britain rail tunnel accident" gives 1.7 million hits.

"britain rail tunnel party" gets more, and "britain rail tunnel sex"
gets slightly less, but it probably happens with more frequency.

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Martin

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:05:15 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>>> I think the fear here is the 30 minute or so tunnel journey on
>>>> the eurostar. On many of the UK tunnels, at high speed the time
>>>> in the tunnel won't be more than a minute.
>>> The risk of an accident is probably higher in a normal rail tunnel.
>> A vanishingly small risk in any event!
>
>Googling "britain rail tunnel accident" gives 1.7 million hits.
>
>For decades the world's worst rail accident was the 1944 Salerno
>one - more than 500 people suffocated when a train got stuck in
>a tunnel with its engine running.
>
>However, more people died in the Salang Tunnel accident in 1982
>in Afghanistan, and that was a road accident.

A lot more died from lead poisoning in Salerno around the same time.
--

Martin