Russia and the Urals
Oct 28th 2004, 1:37 am
#16
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Re: Russia and the Urals
Deep Frayed Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> Cripes, did I hit a nerve here!!!
>
> >Independent travel is just difficult because you don't speak Eurasias
> >most widely spoken language.
>
> Ahem. I speak enough Russian to travel independently in Russia. I
> found Russian relatively easy to learn, and got by with it without any
> great problems. More on this later.
извинтйе, я
не узнал.
очень
хорошо!
> >> One of the things I found curious about Russia, is that there is still
> >> a view there that somehow the West envies aspects of the Russian way
> >> of life. This is of course a massive delusion, which is best
> >> illustrated by simply seeing how the former states of the USSR have
> >> chosen to look firmy west, and have nothing good to say about their
> >> days in Moscows orbit. I don't believe anyone from the West envies
> >> anything inside of Russia!
> >
> >It is fair to be ignorant on this matters, but why do you choose to
> >proove so ignorant about something you do not know nothing about?
> >
> >First, the countries you talk about was USSR republics, not states (AS
> >Texas is not a US republic or province, but state).
>
> State, republic. OK, so MAYBE I used the wrong word when (as a recent
> thread demonstrated) it is debateable at best.
ладно.
сейчас вы
знаете
какое
слово
правилно,
или нет?
> >Second, the situation you describe is true for the Baltics. In many of
> >the other former USSR republics the situation is very different.
> >Belarus will probably within a few years rejoin a federation with
> >Russia. As you may know, there have been negiotiations over this
> >allready, but they have failed so far. By and large because of the
> >current Belarus regime and the president in head of it. Whitin a few
> >more years the current Bellarus regime will have to resign and this
> >negotions will come up once again and probably succeed. They will
> >probably succeed because this idea is relatively populular in both
> >contries. The population of Russia and many of the former USSR
> >Republics, formulate their enthusiasm as "that would be Soviet union
> >again". One should understand this as a matter of international
> >recognition, economic progress as a result of joining Russia and more
> >simplicity with regard to a single curreny, no need for visas, easier
> >to be an ethic Russian in the former USSR republis etc, not as a
> >return of the bolshevik regime.
> >
> >The situation is Belarus is also true for other republics. I have
> >friends in Central Asia that are positive to a new Russian federation.
> >Ukrain is the country that beside Belarus have most in common with
> >Russia, and suffer a bad faith for their new regime. The Ukrain
> >situation is more complex than the Belarussian situation though,
> >because while Eastern Ukrain is a very Russian society, Ukrain
> >nationalism has a much stronger position in the West. In Georgia one
> >province, South Ossetia, struggels to be a part of Russia (as north
> >Ossetia is) instead of Georgia. Armenia has as far as I know a very
> >anti-Russian attitude.
>
> WHOAH!!! WHOAH!! WHOAH!!!! RE-READ WHAT I WROTE!!!
>
> I said "I don't believe anyone from the West envies anything inside of
> Russia!"
>
> Belarus and Central Asian countries are definitely not what I would
> call "West", would you?
вы писал: "illustrated by
simply seeing how the former states of the USSR have chosen to look
firmy west, and have nothing good to say about their days in Moscows
orbit".
Я думаю
через три,
четире
году,
беларус и
руссиа
одну
страну
> >
> >You missed a lot of things. Irkutsk the lake Baikal. The Kazan
> >kremlin. Russias first capitol Novgorod is well worth a visit and only
> >a couple of hours with bus from St Petersburg. The caucasus situation
> >is a shame, the 4 biggest mountains in Europe, the mineral spas and
> >wandering the area of the first human civilization is worth a look. I
> >could mention a lot of others as well. The point is that it is you is
> >ignorant, not that the sites are not there.
>
> Ignorant? Bloody hell, where do you get off saying that???
>
> I missed a lot of things mainly due to the **** ups in registering my
> visa, and the subsequent time it took to sort the mess out. I was
> advised not to move on until it was registered. I would LOVE to go to
> the Caucasus region, and it is high on my list, but the Russian part
> is far to unstable, and extremely difficult to get to at the moment.
>
> Now tell me, were you upset about something else when you wrote all of
> the above?
нет, всё
хорошо
спасибо
ян
> Cripes, did I hit a nerve here!!!
>
> >Independent travel is just difficult because you don't speak Eurasias
> >most widely spoken language.
>
> Ahem. I speak enough Russian to travel independently in Russia. I
> found Russian relatively easy to learn, and got by with it without any
> great problems. More on this later.
извинтйе, я
не узнал.
очень
хорошо!
> >> One of the things I found curious about Russia, is that there is still
> >> a view there that somehow the West envies aspects of the Russian way
> >> of life. This is of course a massive delusion, which is best
> >> illustrated by simply seeing how the former states of the USSR have
> >> chosen to look firmy west, and have nothing good to say about their
> >> days in Moscows orbit. I don't believe anyone from the West envies
> >> anything inside of Russia!
> >
> >It is fair to be ignorant on this matters, but why do you choose to
> >proove so ignorant about something you do not know nothing about?
> >
> >First, the countries you talk about was USSR republics, not states (AS
> >Texas is not a US republic or province, but state).
>
> State, republic. OK, so MAYBE I used the wrong word when (as a recent
> thread demonstrated) it is debateable at best.
ладно.
сейчас вы
знаете
какое
слово
правилно,
или нет?
> >Second, the situation you describe is true for the Baltics. In many of
> >the other former USSR republics the situation is very different.
> >Belarus will probably within a few years rejoin a federation with
> >Russia. As you may know, there have been negiotiations over this
> >allready, but they have failed so far. By and large because of the
> >current Belarus regime and the president in head of it. Whitin a few
> >more years the current Bellarus regime will have to resign and this
> >negotions will come up once again and probably succeed. They will
> >probably succeed because this idea is relatively populular in both
> >contries. The population of Russia and many of the former USSR
> >Republics, formulate their enthusiasm as "that would be Soviet union
> >again". One should understand this as a matter of international
> >recognition, economic progress as a result of joining Russia and more
> >simplicity with regard to a single curreny, no need for visas, easier
> >to be an ethic Russian in the former USSR republis etc, not as a
> >return of the bolshevik regime.
> >
> >The situation is Belarus is also true for other republics. I have
> >friends in Central Asia that are positive to a new Russian federation.
> >Ukrain is the country that beside Belarus have most in common with
> >Russia, and suffer a bad faith for their new regime. The Ukrain
> >situation is more complex than the Belarussian situation though,
> >because while Eastern Ukrain is a very Russian society, Ukrain
> >nationalism has a much stronger position in the West. In Georgia one
> >province, South Ossetia, struggels to be a part of Russia (as north
> >Ossetia is) instead of Georgia. Armenia has as far as I know a very
> >anti-Russian attitude.
>
> WHOAH!!! WHOAH!! WHOAH!!!! RE-READ WHAT I WROTE!!!
>
> I said "I don't believe anyone from the West envies anything inside of
> Russia!"
>
> Belarus and Central Asian countries are definitely not what I would
> call "West", would you?
вы писал: "illustrated by
simply seeing how the former states of the USSR have chosen to look
firmy west, and have nothing good to say about their days in Moscows
orbit".
Я думаю
через три,
четире
году,
беларус и
руссиа
одну
страну
> >
> >You missed a lot of things. Irkutsk the lake Baikal. The Kazan
> >kremlin. Russias first capitol Novgorod is well worth a visit and only
> >a couple of hours with bus from St Petersburg. The caucasus situation
> >is a shame, the 4 biggest mountains in Europe, the mineral spas and
> >wandering the area of the first human civilization is worth a look. I
> >could mention a lot of others as well. The point is that it is you is
> >ignorant, not that the sites are not there.
>
> Ignorant? Bloody hell, where do you get off saying that???
>
> I missed a lot of things mainly due to the **** ups in registering my
> visa, and the subsequent time it took to sort the mess out. I was
> advised not to move on until it was registered. I would LOVE to go to
> the Caucasus region, and it is high on my list, but the Russian part
> is far to unstable, and extremely difficult to get to at the moment.
>
> Now tell me, were you upset about something else when you wrote all of
> the above?
нет, всё
хорошо
спасибо
ян
Oct 28th 2004, 7:47 am
#17
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Re: Russia and the Urals
On 28 Oct 2004 06:37:19 -0700, [email protected] (?ystein)
wrote:
>Deep Frayed Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
>> Cripes, did I hit a nerve here!!!
>>
>> >Independent travel is just difficult because you don't speak Eurasias
>> >most widely spoken language.
>>
>> Ahem. I speak enough Russian to travel independently in Russia. I
>> found Russian relatively easy to learn, and got by with it without any
>> great problems. More on this later.
>извинтйе, я
>не узнал.
>очень
>хорошо!
Oh dear, it appears my news reader (and Google) can't read what you
are trying to say.
>> >> One of the things I found curious about Russia, is that there is still
>> >> a view there that somehow the West envies aspects of the Russian way
>> >> of life. This is of course a massive delusion, which is best
>> >> illustrated by simply seeing how the former states of the USSR have
>> >> chosen to look firmy west, and have nothing good to say about their
>> >> days in Moscows orbit. I don't believe anyone from the West envies
>> >> anything inside of Russia!
>> >
>> >It is fair to be ignorant on this matters, but why do you choose to
>> >proove so ignorant about something you do not know nothing about?
>> >
>> >First, the countries you talk about was USSR republics, not states (AS
>> >Texas is not a US republic or province, but state).
>>
>> State, republic. OK, so MAYBE I used the wrong word when (as a recent
>> thread demonstrated) it is debateable at best.
>ладно.
>сейчас вы
>знаете
>какое
>слово
>правилно,
>или нет?
And again.
>> >Second, the situation you describe is true for the Baltics. In many of
>> >the other former USSR republics the situation is very different.
>> >Belarus will probably within a few years rejoin a federation with
>> >Russia. As you may know, there have been negiotiations over this
>> >allready, but they have failed so far. By and large because of the
>> >current Belarus regime and the president in head of it. Whitin a few
>> >more years the current Bellarus regime will have to resign and this
>> >negotions will come up once again and probably succeed. They will
>> >probably succeed because this idea is relatively populular in both
>> >contries. The population of Russia and many of the former USSR
>> >Republics, formulate their enthusiasm as "that would be Soviet union
>> >again". One should understand this as a matter of international
>> >recognition, economic progress as a result of joining Russia and more
>> >simplicity with regard to a single curreny, no need for visas, easier
>> >to be an ethic Russian in the former USSR republis etc, not as a
>> >return of the bolshevik regime.
>> >
>> >The situation is Belarus is also true for other republics. I have
>> >friends in Central Asia that are positive to a new Russian federation.
>> >Ukrain is the country that beside Belarus have most in common with
>> >Russia, and suffer a bad faith for their new regime. The Ukrain
>> >situation is more complex than the Belarussian situation though,
>> >because while Eastern Ukrain is a very Russian society, Ukrain
>> >nationalism has a much stronger position in the West. In Georgia one
>> >province, South Ossetia, struggels to be a part of Russia (as north
>> >Ossetia is) instead of Georgia. Armenia has as far as I know a very
>> >anti-Russian attitude.
>>
>> WHOAH!!! WHOAH!! WHOAH!!!! RE-READ WHAT I WROTE!!!
>>
>> I said "I don't believe anyone from the West envies anything inside of
>> Russia!"
>>
>> Belarus and Central Asian countries are definitely not what I would
>> call "West", would you?
>вы писал: "illustrated by
>simply seeing how the former states of the USSR have chosen to look
>firmy west, and have nothing good to say about their days in Moscows
>orbit".
Yes, you have clearly made your point. Now, how about producing
something we can understand.
>Я думаю
>через три,
>четире
>году,
>беларус и
>руссиа
>одну
>страну
>> >
>> >You missed a lot of things. Irkutsk the lake Baikal. The Kazan
>> >kremlin. Russias first capitol Novgorod is well worth a visit and only
>> >a couple of hours with bus from St Petersburg. The caucasus situation
>> >is a shame, the 4 biggest mountains in Europe, the mineral spas and
>> >wandering the area of the first human civilization is worth a look. I
>> >could mention a lot of others as well. The point is that it is you is
>> >ignorant, not that the sites are not there.
>>
>> Ignorant? Bloody hell, where do you get off saying that???
>>
>> I missed a lot of things mainly due to the **** ups in registering my
>> visa, and the subsequent time it took to sort the mess out. I was
>> advised not to move on until it was registered. I would LOVE to go to
>> the Caucasus region, and it is high on my list, but the Russian part
>> is far to unstable, and extremely difficult to get to at the moment.
>>
>> Now tell me, were you upset about something else when you wrote all of
>> the above?
>нет, всё
>хорошо
>спасибо
>ян
ЧГГГГїѷ
ЖхЗЗОГб
ГЙАБГ
бшЪЕГеϿ
НГАГГД
---
DFM
wrote:
>Deep Frayed Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
>> Cripes, did I hit a nerve here!!!
>>
>> >Independent travel is just difficult because you don't speak Eurasias
>> >most widely spoken language.
>>
>> Ahem. I speak enough Russian to travel independently in Russia. I
>> found Russian relatively easy to learn, and got by with it without any
>> great problems. More on this later.
>извинтйе, я
>не узнал.
>очень
>хорошо!
Oh dear, it appears my news reader (and Google) can't read what you
are trying to say.
>> >> One of the things I found curious about Russia, is that there is still
>> >> a view there that somehow the West envies aspects of the Russian way
>> >> of life. This is of course a massive delusion, which is best
>> >> illustrated by simply seeing how the former states of the USSR have
>> >> chosen to look firmy west, and have nothing good to say about their
>> >> days in Moscows orbit. I don't believe anyone from the West envies
>> >> anything inside of Russia!
>> >
>> >It is fair to be ignorant on this matters, but why do you choose to
>> >proove so ignorant about something you do not know nothing about?
>> >
>> >First, the countries you talk about was USSR republics, not states (AS
>> >Texas is not a US republic or province, but state).
>>
>> State, republic. OK, so MAYBE I used the wrong word when (as a recent
>> thread demonstrated) it is debateable at best.
>ладно.
>сейчас вы
>знаете
>какое
>слово
>правилно,
>или нет?
And again.
>> >Second, the situation you describe is true for the Baltics. In many of
>> >the other former USSR republics the situation is very different.
>> >Belarus will probably within a few years rejoin a federation with
>> >Russia. As you may know, there have been negiotiations over this
>> >allready, but they have failed so far. By and large because of the
>> >current Belarus regime and the president in head of it. Whitin a few
>> >more years the current Bellarus regime will have to resign and this
>> >negotions will come up once again and probably succeed. They will
>> >probably succeed because this idea is relatively populular in both
>> >contries. The population of Russia and many of the former USSR
>> >Republics, formulate their enthusiasm as "that would be Soviet union
>> >again". One should understand this as a matter of international
>> >recognition, economic progress as a result of joining Russia and more
>> >simplicity with regard to a single curreny, no need for visas, easier
>> >to be an ethic Russian in the former USSR republis etc, not as a
>> >return of the bolshevik regime.
>> >
>> >The situation is Belarus is also true for other republics. I have
>> >friends in Central Asia that are positive to a new Russian federation.
>> >Ukrain is the country that beside Belarus have most in common with
>> >Russia, and suffer a bad faith for their new regime. The Ukrain
>> >situation is more complex than the Belarussian situation though,
>> >because while Eastern Ukrain is a very Russian society, Ukrain
>> >nationalism has a much stronger position in the West. In Georgia one
>> >province, South Ossetia, struggels to be a part of Russia (as north
>> >Ossetia is) instead of Georgia. Armenia has as far as I know a very
>> >anti-Russian attitude.
>>
>> WHOAH!!! WHOAH!! WHOAH!!!! RE-READ WHAT I WROTE!!!
>>
>> I said "I don't believe anyone from the West envies anything inside of
>> Russia!"
>>
>> Belarus and Central Asian countries are definitely not what I would
>> call "West", would you?
>вы писал: "illustrated by
>simply seeing how the former states of the USSR have chosen to look
>firmy west, and have nothing good to say about their days in Moscows
>orbit".
Yes, you have clearly made your point. Now, how about producing
something we can understand.
>Я думаю
>через три,
>четире
>году,
>беларус и
>руссиа
>одну
>страну
>> >
>> >You missed a lot of things. Irkutsk the lake Baikal. The Kazan
>> >kremlin. Russias first capitol Novgorod is well worth a visit and only
>> >a couple of hours with bus from St Petersburg. The caucasus situation
>> >is a shame, the 4 biggest mountains in Europe, the mineral spas and
>> >wandering the area of the first human civilization is worth a look. I
>> >could mention a lot of others as well. The point is that it is you is
>> >ignorant, not that the sites are not there.
>>
>> Ignorant? Bloody hell, where do you get off saying that???
>>
>> I missed a lot of things mainly due to the **** ups in registering my
>> visa, and the subsequent time it took to sort the mess out. I was
>> advised not to move on until it was registered. I would LOVE to go to
>> the Caucasus region, and it is high on my list, but the Russian part
>> is far to unstable, and extremely difficult to get to at the moment.
>>
>> Now tell me, were you upset about something else when you wrote all of
>> the above?
>нет, всё
>хорошо
>спасибо
>ян
ЧГГГГїѷ
ЖхЗЗОГб
ГЙАБГ
бшЪЕГеϿ
НГАГГД
---
DFM
Oct 28th 2004, 10:18 am
#18
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Re: Russia and the Urals
[email protected] (?ystein) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
> извинтйе, я
> не узнал.
> очень
> хорошо!
Good argument.
Bjorn
> извинтйе, я
> не узнал.
> очень
> хорошо!
Good argument.
Bjorn
Oct 28th 2004, 8:50 pm
#19
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Re: Russia and the Urals
On 28 Oct 2004 15:18:48 -0700, [email protected] (Bjorn Olsson) wrote:
>[email protected] (?ystein) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
>> извинтйе, я
>> не узнал.
>> очень
>> хорошо!
>Good argument.
I'm looking for the equivalent of the Rosetta stone.
--
Martin
>[email protected] (?ystein) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
>> извинтйе, я
>> не узнал.
>> очень
>> хорошо!
>Good argument.
I'm looking for the equivalent of the Rosetta stone.
--
Martin
Nov 7th 2004, 11:55 pm
#20
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Re: Russia and the Urals
Gregory Morrow schrieb:
> > Do you know that it is easier to get through the Russian than the US
> > customs for Europeans?
>
> So that is why so many Europeans early in the course of a working week are
> saying to each other, "Say! I see Ryanair/EasyJet/Air Berlin has a cheapo
> 25 Euro/Pound r/t airfare to charming Perm! Let's hop over on Thursday for
> a quick, cheap, and enjoyable holiday weekend, shall we!? Nothing like
> Russia for those last - minute short hols breaks, eh?!"
The problem is visa requirement. Customs became much easier. Ask before
you walk through the green corridor.
And, well, charming Perm is too far away for European low cost airlines.
Regards, ULF
> > Do you know that it is easier to get through the Russian than the US
> > customs for Europeans?
>
> So that is why so many Europeans early in the course of a working week are
> saying to each other, "Say! I see Ryanair/EasyJet/Air Berlin has a cheapo
> 25 Euro/Pound r/t airfare to charming Perm! Let's hop over on Thursday for
> a quick, cheap, and enjoyable holiday weekend, shall we!? Nothing like
> Russia for those last - minute short hols breaks, eh?!"
The problem is visa requirement. Customs became much easier. Ask before
you walk through the green corridor.
And, well, charming Perm is too far away for European low cost airlines.
Regards, ULF
Nov 8th 2004, 3:02 am
#21
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Re: Russia and the Urals
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:55:57 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gregory Morrow schrieb:
>> > Do you know that it is easier to get through the Russian than the US
>> > customs for Europeans?
>>
>> So that is why so many Europeans early in the course of a working week are
>> saying to each other, "Say! I see Ryanair/EasyJet/Air Berlin has a cheapo
>> 25 Euro/Pound r/t airfare to charming Perm! Let's hop over on Thursday for
>> a quick, cheap, and enjoyable holiday weekend, shall we!? Nothing like
>> Russia for those last - minute short hols breaks, eh?!"
>The problem is visa requirement. Customs became much easier. Ask before
>you walk through the green corridor.
Yeah, I have to agree with you there. As shitty as Russia can be, it
would be far, far more appealing if they just did something about the
visa requirement. Tallinn is seeing a huge amount of tourists at the
moment, as does Helsinki, and if you ask any visitor, they are likely
to tell you that they would love to go to St Peter, but it's just too
difficult, soley because of the visa.
Why oh why oh why...
---
DFM
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gregory Morrow schrieb:
>> > Do you know that it is easier to get through the Russian than the US
>> > customs for Europeans?
>>
>> So that is why so many Europeans early in the course of a working week are
>> saying to each other, "Say! I see Ryanair/EasyJet/Air Berlin has a cheapo
>> 25 Euro/Pound r/t airfare to charming Perm! Let's hop over on Thursday for
>> a quick, cheap, and enjoyable holiday weekend, shall we!? Nothing like
>> Russia for those last - minute short hols breaks, eh?!"
>The problem is visa requirement. Customs became much easier. Ask before
>you walk through the green corridor.
Yeah, I have to agree with you there. As shitty as Russia can be, it
would be far, far more appealing if they just did something about the
visa requirement. Tallinn is seeing a huge amount of tourists at the
moment, as does Helsinki, and if you ask any visitor, they are likely
to tell you that they would love to go to St Peter, but it's just too
difficult, soley because of the visa.
Why oh why oh why...
---
DFM
Nov 8th 2004, 6:52 am
#22
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Re: Russia and the Urals
"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:-
> Yeah, I have to agree with you there. As shitty as Russia can be, it
> would be far, far more appealing if they just did something about the
> visa requirement. Tallinn is seeing a huge amount of tourists at the
> moment, as does Helsinki, and if you ask any visitor, they are likely
> to tell you that they would love to go to St Peter, but it's just too
> difficult, solely because of the visa.
> Why oh why oh why...
Difficult?
Perhaps for all your "suddenly new-found day-trippers to Eastern Europe" -
courtesy of {shitty} budget airlines.
Wow, Prague - that used to be commie, you know!
Tallinn - Latvia is absolutely mind blowing!
Budapest - remember 1966 - the year they got invaded and England won the
World Cup!
Bratislava - really just another suburb of Vienna, you know!
Krakow - by far the best (and cheapest) beer in Slovakia, hic!
THANK GOD FOR VISAS!!!!!
Regards
Gerry
> Yeah, I have to agree with you there. As shitty as Russia can be, it
> would be far, far more appealing if they just did something about the
> visa requirement. Tallinn is seeing a huge amount of tourists at the
> moment, as does Helsinki, and if you ask any visitor, they are likely
> to tell you that they would love to go to St Peter, but it's just too
> difficult, solely because of the visa.
> Why oh why oh why...
Difficult?
Perhaps for all your "suddenly new-found day-trippers to Eastern Europe" -
courtesy of {shitty} budget airlines.
Wow, Prague - that used to be commie, you know!
Tallinn - Latvia is absolutely mind blowing!
Budapest - remember 1966 - the year they got invaded and England won the
World Cup!
Bratislava - really just another suburb of Vienna, you know!
Krakow - by far the best (and cheapest) beer in Slovakia, hic!
THANK GOD FOR VISAS!!!!!
Regards
Gerry
Nov 8th 2004, 9:19 pm
#23
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Re: Russia and the Urals
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 19:52:20 -0000, "Gerald Oliver Swift"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:-
>> Yeah, I have to agree with you there. As shitty as Russia can be, it
>> would be far, far more appealing if they just did something about the
>> visa requirement. Tallinn is seeing a huge amount of tourists at the
>> moment, as does Helsinki, and if you ask any visitor, they are likely
>> to tell you that they would love to go to St Peter, but it's just too
>> difficult, solely because of the visa.
>> Why oh why oh why...
>Difficult?
>Perhaps for all your "suddenly new-found day-trippers to Eastern Europe" -
>courtesy of {shitty} budget airlines.
>Wow, Prague - that used to be commie, you know!
>Tallinn - Latvia is absolutely mind blowing!
>Budapest - remember 1966 - the year they got invaded and England won the
>World Cup!
>Bratislava - really just another suburb of Vienna, you know!
>Krakow - by far the best (and cheapest) beer in Slovakia, hic!
>THANK GOD FOR VISAS!!!!!
OK, nicely said. But tourism IS a good thing, even if tourists aren't
always.
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DFM
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:-
>> Yeah, I have to agree with you there. As shitty as Russia can be, it
>> would be far, far more appealing if they just did something about the
>> visa requirement. Tallinn is seeing a huge amount of tourists at the
>> moment, as does Helsinki, and if you ask any visitor, they are likely
>> to tell you that they would love to go to St Peter, but it's just too
>> difficult, solely because of the visa.
>> Why oh why oh why...
>Difficult?
>Perhaps for all your "suddenly new-found day-trippers to Eastern Europe" -
>courtesy of {shitty} budget airlines.
>Wow, Prague - that used to be commie, you know!
>Tallinn - Latvia is absolutely mind blowing!
>Budapest - remember 1966 - the year they got invaded and England won the
>World Cup!
>Bratislava - really just another suburb of Vienna, you know!
>Krakow - by far the best (and cheapest) beer in Slovakia, hic!
>THANK GOD FOR VISAS!!!!!
OK, nicely said. But tourism IS a good thing, even if tourists aren't
always.
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DFM
Nov 9th 2004, 4:32 am
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Re: Russia and the Urals
"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
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> OK, nicely said. But tourism IS a good thing, even if tourists aren't
> always.
Yes, of course tourism IS a nice thing and we should all be grateful for the
opportunities which budget flights make available to us now.
It's a pity, though, that budget airlines seem to have managed to encourage
a whole new sub-species of tourist - ones who want to drink Europe dry over
a weekend!
As for visas, OK it's a hassle, but a dedicated tourist (traveller) will
have far more to put up with when he finally reaches his destination,
than filling out a couple of forms and sending off £30 or so to some
cash-strapped country's embassy / embassy official.
Gerry
message news:[email protected]...
> OK, nicely said. But tourism IS a good thing, even if tourists aren't
> always.
Yes, of course tourism IS a nice thing and we should all be grateful for the
opportunities which budget flights make available to us now.
It's a pity, though, that budget airlines seem to have managed to encourage
a whole new sub-species of tourist - ones who want to drink Europe dry over
a weekend!
As for visas, OK it's a hassle, but a dedicated tourist (traveller) will
have far more to put up with when he finally reaches his destination,
than filling out a couple of forms and sending off £30 or so to some
cash-strapped country's embassy / embassy official.
Gerry
Nov 9th 2004, 9:01 am
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Re: Russia and the Urals
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:32:44 -0000, "Gerald Oliver Swift"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> OK, nicely said. But tourism IS a good thing, even if tourists aren't
>> always.
>Yes, of course tourism IS a nice thing and we should all be grateful for the
>opportunities which budget flights make available to us now.
>It's a pity, though, that budget airlines seem to have managed to encourage
>a whole new sub-species of tourist - ones who want to drink Europe dry over
>a weekend!
Prague instantly came to my mind for some reason.
>As for visas, OK it's a hassle, but a dedicated tourist (traveller) will
>have far more to put up with when he finally reaches his destination,
>than filling out a couple of forms and sending off £30 or so to some
>cash-strapped country's embassy / embassy official.
Yes, my passport is full of them, and I don't usually mind. I just
find the Russian system way too over the top, and inefficient. Surely
they could allow you to buy a visa in Tallinn, Helsinki or at the
border for a weekend trip to St Peter, without the stupid registration
bullshit. That place deserves to have tourists.
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DFM
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> OK, nicely said. But tourism IS a good thing, even if tourists aren't
>> always.
>Yes, of course tourism IS a nice thing and we should all be grateful for the
>opportunities which budget flights make available to us now.
>It's a pity, though, that budget airlines seem to have managed to encourage
>a whole new sub-species of tourist - ones who want to drink Europe dry over
>a weekend!
Prague instantly came to my mind for some reason.
>As for visas, OK it's a hassle, but a dedicated tourist (traveller) will
>have far more to put up with when he finally reaches his destination,
>than filling out a couple of forms and sending off £30 or so to some
>cash-strapped country's embassy / embassy official.
Yes, my passport is full of them, and I don't usually mind. I just
find the Russian system way too over the top, and inefficient. Surely
they could allow you to buy a visa in Tallinn, Helsinki or at the
border for a weekend trip to St Peter, without the stupid registration
bullshit. That place deserves to have tourists.
---
DFM
Nov 9th 2004, 8:17 pm
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Re: Russia and the Urals
>>Yes, of course tourism IS a nice thing and we should all be grateful for
>>the
>>opportunities which budget flights make available to us now.
>>It's a pity, though, that budget airlines seem to have managed to
>>encourage
>>a whole new sub-species of tourist - ones who want to drink Europe dry
>>over
>>a weekend!
> Prague instantly came to my mind for some reason.
>>As for visas, OK it's a hassle, but a dedicated tourist (traveller) will
>>have far more to put up with when he finally reaches his destination,
>>than filling out a couple of forms and sending off £30 or so to some
>>cash-strapped country's embassy / embassy official.
> Yes, my passport is full of them, and I don't usually mind. I just
> find the Russian system way too over the top, and inefficient. Surely
> they could allow you to buy a visa in Tallinn, Helsinki or at the
> border for a weekend trip to St Peter, without the stupid registration
> bullshit. That place deserves to have tourists.
Perhaps Russia's visa system will change in due course. Certainly issuing
visas at the border would be a step in the right direction and quite a few
countries have adopted this method.
A lot of (mainly Eastern European) countries have abolished their visa entry
requirement entirely since 1989 - but a few "odd-balls" still remain:-
Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine.
Travel to a lot of (cash-strapped) African countries still requires you to
have a visa and also to quite a few (corrupt) Asia countries.
Maybe one day, as citizens of planet Earth, we'll all be free to come and
go as we please without any form-filling - I don't think!!!
Gerry
>>the
>>opportunities which budget flights make available to us now.
>>It's a pity, though, that budget airlines seem to have managed to
>>encourage
>>a whole new sub-species of tourist - ones who want to drink Europe dry
>>over
>>a weekend!
> Prague instantly came to my mind for some reason.
>>As for visas, OK it's a hassle, but a dedicated tourist (traveller) will
>>have far more to put up with when he finally reaches his destination,
>>than filling out a couple of forms and sending off £30 or so to some
>>cash-strapped country's embassy / embassy official.
> Yes, my passport is full of them, and I don't usually mind. I just
> find the Russian system way too over the top, and inefficient. Surely
> they could allow you to buy a visa in Tallinn, Helsinki or at the
> border for a weekend trip to St Peter, without the stupid registration
> bullshit. That place deserves to have tourists.
Perhaps Russia's visa system will change in due course. Certainly issuing
visas at the border would be a step in the right direction and quite a few
countries have adopted this method.
A lot of (mainly Eastern European) countries have abolished their visa entry
requirement entirely since 1989 - but a few "odd-balls" still remain:-
Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine.
Travel to a lot of (cash-strapped) African countries still requires you to
have a visa and also to quite a few (corrupt) Asia countries.
Maybe one day, as citizens of planet Earth, we'll all be free to come and
go as we please without any form-filling - I don't think!!!
Gerry
