Rome --> Pompeii
Mar 3rd 2007, 2:18 pm
#31
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Re: Rome --> Pompeii
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:56:32 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Many letters of St.Paul to greek christians were written in Greek.
>Tarsus in his time was a greek town. So St Paul was born a greek. Whatever
>happened thereafter. does not deny that he was greeka nd spoke greek.
The earliest versions of his letters that we have are in Greek, but we
can't be sure what the original language was. Many of the letters
attributed to him were actually written much after his lifetime. For
instance, the letters to Timothy mention bishops and deacons, offices
that didn't even exist in his lifetime. However, at the end of the
second letter to Timothy, there is a fragment of personal
communication that seems to be much earlier and may have been written
by him.
>Anyways. it was common for romans to give Roman citizenships to as many
>people as possible in the part of the world where they hold the power.
Only during the empire; before that Roman citizenship was even denied
to many inhabitants of Italy. People have a habit of speaking of
"Roman culture" and "Roman civilization" as if it were uniform over
time. "Roman civilization" existed for over 500 years, and the
civilization of the time of Pompeii was very different from the early
Republic or the later Empire.
>if you want to speak about USA.. I might admit you know a lot.
>But about Italy let me say. like Dante..
I think I know as much, probably more, about Roman history than you
do.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
>Many letters of St.Paul to greek christians were written in Greek.
>Tarsus in his time was a greek town. So St Paul was born a greek. Whatever
>happened thereafter. does not deny that he was greeka nd spoke greek.
The earliest versions of his letters that we have are in Greek, but we
can't be sure what the original language was. Many of the letters
attributed to him were actually written much after his lifetime. For
instance, the letters to Timothy mention bishops and deacons, offices
that didn't even exist in his lifetime. However, at the end of the
second letter to Timothy, there is a fragment of personal
communication that seems to be much earlier and may have been written
by him.
>Anyways. it was common for romans to give Roman citizenships to as many
>people as possible in the part of the world where they hold the power.
Only during the empire; before that Roman citizenship was even denied
to many inhabitants of Italy. People have a habit of speaking of
"Roman culture" and "Roman civilization" as if it were uniform over
time. "Roman civilization" existed for over 500 years, and the
civilization of the time of Pompeii was very different from the early
Republic or the later Empire.
>if you want to speak about USA.. I might admit you know a lot.
>But about Italy let me say. like Dante..
I think I know as much, probably more, about Roman history than you
do.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Mar 3rd 2007, 2:18 pm
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Re: Rome --> Pompeii
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:53:17 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>let us be exact..
>what percentage of greek slaves and when ??
>and how many of them were philosophers, artists, cultured people ??
Do you have any statistics? If not, why do you ask other people to
provide exact proof?
>the word salary comes from Salis ( the soldiers were paid with salt )
>while the word soldier comes from the worls Solidus ( a special coin mint
>to pay soldiers )
>from Solidus the word became soldus.. from soldus the word Soldatus..
> or were people that were sold as slaves to pay their own debts ( or
>criminals for a certain type of offences )
We can see that you studied Latin.
>Rome always was generous with the people that accepted its domination..
Of course, most of our evidence of that was written by the Romans.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
>let us be exact..
>what percentage of greek slaves and when ??
>and how many of them were philosophers, artists, cultured people ??
Do you have any statistics? If not, why do you ask other people to
provide exact proof?
>the word salary comes from Salis ( the soldiers were paid with salt )
>while the word soldier comes from the worls Solidus ( a special coin mint
>to pay soldiers )
>from Solidus the word became soldus.. from soldus the word Soldatus..
> or were people that were sold as slaves to pay their own debts ( or
>criminals for a certain type of offences )
We can see that you studied Latin.
>Rome always was generous with the people that accepted its domination..
Of course, most of our evidence of that was written by the Romans.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Mar 3rd 2007, 5:57 pm
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Re: Rome --> Pompeii
"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:56:32 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Many letters of St.Paul to greek christians were written in Greek.
>>Tarsus in his time was a greek town. So St Paul was born a greek. Whatever
>>happened thereafter. does not deny that he was greeka nd spoke greek.
>
> The earliest versions of his letters that we have are in Greek, but we
> can't be sure what the original language was. Many of the letters
> attributed to him were actually written much after his lifetime. For
> instance, the letters to Timothy mention bishops and deacons, offices
> that didn't even exist in his lifetime. However, at the end of the
> second letter to Timothy, there is a fragment of personal
> communication that seems to be much earlier and may have been written
> by him.
>
>>Anyways. it was common for romans to give Roman citizenships to as many
>>people as possible in the part of the world where they hold the power.
>
> Only during the empire; before that Roman citizenship was even denied
> to many inhabitants of Italy. People have a habit of speaking of
> "Roman culture" and "Roman civilization" as if it were uniform over
> time. "Roman civilization" existed for over 500 years, and the
> civilization of the time of Pompeii was very different from the early
> Republic or the later Empire.
>
>>if you want to speak about USA.. I might admit you know a lot.
>>But about Italy let me say. like Dante..
>
> I think I know as much, probably more, about Roman history than you
> do.
well. if you think so.
It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not mean
anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
detect yr level of knowledge
> --
> Barbara Vaughan
> My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot
> it
> I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:56:32 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Many letters of St.Paul to greek christians were written in Greek.
>>Tarsus in his time was a greek town. So St Paul was born a greek. Whatever
>>happened thereafter. does not deny that he was greeka nd spoke greek.
>
> The earliest versions of his letters that we have are in Greek, but we
> can't be sure what the original language was. Many of the letters
> attributed to him were actually written much after his lifetime. For
> instance, the letters to Timothy mention bishops and deacons, offices
> that didn't even exist in his lifetime. However, at the end of the
> second letter to Timothy, there is a fragment of personal
> communication that seems to be much earlier and may have been written
> by him.
>
>>Anyways. it was common for romans to give Roman citizenships to as many
>>people as possible in the part of the world where they hold the power.
>
> Only during the empire; before that Roman citizenship was even denied
> to many inhabitants of Italy. People have a habit of speaking of
> "Roman culture" and "Roman civilization" as if it were uniform over
> time. "Roman civilization" existed for over 500 years, and the
> civilization of the time of Pompeii was very different from the early
> Republic or the later Empire.
>
>>if you want to speak about USA.. I might admit you know a lot.
>>But about Italy let me say. like Dante..
>
> I think I know as much, probably more, about Roman history than you
> do.
well. if you think so.
It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not mean
anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
detect yr level of knowledge
> --
> Barbara Vaughan
> My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot
> it
> I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Mar 3rd 2007, 6:03 pm
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Re: Rome --> Pompeii
"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:53:17 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>let us be exact..
>>what percentage of greek slaves and when ??
>>and how many of them were philosophers, artists, cultured people ??
>
> Do you have any statistics? If not, why do you ask other people to
> provide exact proof?
>
>>the word salary comes from Salis ( the soldiers were paid with salt )
>>while the word soldier comes from the worls Solidus ( a special coin mint
>>to pay soldiers )
>>from Solidus the word became soldus.. from soldus the word Soldatus..
>> or were people that were sold as slaves to pay their own debts ( or
>>criminals for a certain type of offences )
>
> We can see that you studied Latin.
>
>>Rome always was generous with the people that accepted its domination..
>
> Of course, most of our evidence of that was written by the Romans.
>
> --
> Barbara Vaughan
> My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot
> it
> I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
well. i was curious to know why people wrote about
greek slaves, as if the Romans were just picking people in the greek
streets and sell them as slaves.
Slaves were just bounty.. and most of all prisoners of war
or inhabitants of towns that were resisting the roman occupation..
While on the contrary Greeks were highly appreciated as artists..
philosophers.. scientists. pedagogues.. teachers
and so on.
Besides. there were slaves and free men. but also LIBERTI.. people that were
slaves and got or bought their liberty..
one of the most famous slaves is the Queen Boadicea.
who apparently said..
quod desertum faciunt.. idem pacem appellant.
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> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:53:17 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>let us be exact..
>>what percentage of greek slaves and when ??
>>and how many of them were philosophers, artists, cultured people ??
>
> Do you have any statistics? If not, why do you ask other people to
> provide exact proof?
>
>>the word salary comes from Salis ( the soldiers were paid with salt )
>>while the word soldier comes from the worls Solidus ( a special coin mint
>>to pay soldiers )
>>from Solidus the word became soldus.. from soldus the word Soldatus..
>> or were people that were sold as slaves to pay their own debts ( or
>>criminals for a certain type of offences )
>
> We can see that you studied Latin.
>
>>Rome always was generous with the people that accepted its domination..
>
> Of course, most of our evidence of that was written by the Romans.
>
> --
> Barbara Vaughan
> My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot
> it
> I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
well. i was curious to know why people wrote about
greek slaves, as if the Romans were just picking people in the greek
streets and sell them as slaves.
Slaves were just bounty.. and most of all prisoners of war
or inhabitants of towns that were resisting the roman occupation..
While on the contrary Greeks were highly appreciated as artists..
philosophers.. scientists. pedagogues.. teachers
and so on.
Besides. there were slaves and free men. but also LIBERTI.. people that were
slaves and got or bought their liberty..
one of the most famous slaves is the Queen Boadicea.
who apparently said..
quod desertum faciunt.. idem pacem appellant.
Mar 3rd 2007, 9:35 pm
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Re: Rome --> Pompeii
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:57:53 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>well. if you think so.
>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not mean
>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>
>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>
>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
>detect yr level of knowledge
We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
Greek languages.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
>well. if you think so.
>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not mean
>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>
>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>
>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
>detect yr level of knowledge
We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
Greek languages.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Mar 3rd 2007, 9:47 pm
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Re: Rome --> Pompeii
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:35:40 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:57:53 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>well. if you think so.
>>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not mean
>>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>>
>>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>>
>>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
>>detect yr level of knowledge
>
>We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
>Greek languages.
I declare Barbara the winner because she speaks better American.
--
Martin
>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:57:53 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>well. if you think so.
>>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not mean
>>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>>
>>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>>
>>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
>>detect yr level of knowledge
>
>We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
>Greek languages.
I declare Barbara the winner because she speaks better American.
--
Martin
Mar 4th 2007, 1:43 am
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Re: Rome --> Pompeii
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> Tony O wrote:
> >Thanks that would be perfect but the
> >service does not start up till April. :-( But I
> >will have to remember it.
>
> If you ever do, book it directly thru www.enjoyrome.com.
> Viator.com is just an online booking service that tacks-on a
> commission.
>
> It's �?45 thru enjoyrome and �?53 if you booked today thru Viator for
> an April trip.
> Regards, Walter
>
>
>
I've found viator to be less in many cases than what the tour operators
charge themselves.
For instance, I booked the shuttle transfer to and from FCO and paid $17
each way and found other people on the same shuttle paid 20-some odd
Euros.
[email protected] (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> Tony O wrote:
> >Thanks that would be perfect but the
> >service does not start up till April. :-( But I
> >will have to remember it.
>
> If you ever do, book it directly thru www.enjoyrome.com.
> Viator.com is just an online booking service that tacks-on a
> commission.
>
> It's �?45 thru enjoyrome and �?53 if you booked today thru Viator for
> an April trip.
> Regards, Walter
>
>
>
I've found viator to be less in many cases than what the tour operators
charge themselves.
For instance, I booked the shuttle transfer to and from FCO and paid $17
each way and found other people on the same shuttle paid 20-some odd
Euros.
Mar 4th 2007, 2:02 am
#38
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Re: Rome --> Pompeii
In article <[email protected]>,
B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
> It's a fairly long trip from Rome to Pompeii, and from what I've heard
> most of the tours waste a lot of your time stopping in souvenir shops
> that give them a cut.
>
> It's very easy to get to Pompeii on your own. You take the train from
> Rome to Naples and then switch to a commuter train, the
> Circumvesuviana. The archeological site is a short walk from the train
> station.
>
> One of our regular posters, nicknamed Poetic Justice, has published on
> this newsgroup a much more detailed description of the route. Probably
> he'll post a link to those directions. If not you could search in
> Google groups for "train Rome Pompeii".
>
> Once you're at the site, you might want to join a tour group. The
> signs there leave a lot to be desired and some buildings seem to open
> magically only for tour guides. There are plenty of guides on the site
> offering tours in all languages.
Instead of going back to Rome the same day on those guided tours, if
you've come all the way down to Pompeii, why not stay a day or two and
look around the area, like Sorrento and so forth?
B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
> It's a fairly long trip from Rome to Pompeii, and from what I've heard
> most of the tours waste a lot of your time stopping in souvenir shops
> that give them a cut.
>
> It's very easy to get to Pompeii on your own. You take the train from
> Rome to Naples and then switch to a commuter train, the
> Circumvesuviana. The archeological site is a short walk from the train
> station.
>
> One of our regular posters, nicknamed Poetic Justice, has published on
> this newsgroup a much more detailed description of the route. Probably
> he'll post a link to those directions. If not you could search in
> Google groups for "train Rome Pompeii".
>
> Once you're at the site, you might want to join a tour group. The
> signs there leave a lot to be desired and some buildings seem to open
> magically only for tour guides. There are plenty of guides on the site
> offering tours in all languages.
Instead of going back to Rome the same day on those guided tours, if
you've come all the way down to Pompeii, why not stay a day or two and
look around the area, like Sorrento and so forth?
Mar 4th 2007, 5:48 am
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"Martin" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:35:40 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:57:53 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>well. if you think so.
>>>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not
>>>mean
>>>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>>>
>>>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>>>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>>>
>>>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
>>>detect yr level of knowledge
>>
>>We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
>>Greek languages.
>
> I declare Barbara the winner because she speaks better American.
> --
>
> Martin
>
well done. I give up.
I do not speak american..
By the way. I made some researches.. and found out that a greek slave with
culture could cost 700 times the price of a normal slave..
as to roman citizenship. I am still looking for documents.. but found out
there was a middle way.. the latin citizenship.
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> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:35:40 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:57:53 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>well. if you think so.
>>>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not
>>>mean
>>>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>>>
>>>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>>>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>>>
>>>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
>>>detect yr level of knowledge
>>
>>We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
>>Greek languages.
>
> I declare Barbara the winner because she speaks better American.
> --
>
> Martin
>
well done. I give up.
I do not speak american..
By the way. I made some researches.. and found out that a greek slave with
culture could cost 700 times the price of a normal slave..
as to roman citizenship. I am still looking for documents.. but found out
there was a middle way.. the latin citizenship.
Mar 4th 2007, 7:14 am
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 06:48:58 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:35:40 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:57:53 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>well. if you think so.
>>>>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not
>>>>mean
>>>>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>>>>
>>>>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>>>>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>>>>
>>>>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
>>>>detect yr level of knowledge
>>>
>>>We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
>>>Greek languages.
>>
>> I declare Barbara the winner because she speaks better American.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>>
>
>well done. I give up.
>
>I do not speak american..
>By the way. I made some researches.. and found out that a greek slave with
>culture could cost 700 times the price of a normal slave..
The equivalent of owning a Ferrari at the time.
>
>as to roman citizenship. I am still looking for documents.. but found out
>there was a middle way.. the latin citizenship.
--
Martin
>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:35:40 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:57:53 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>well. if you think so.
>>>>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not
>>>>mean
>>>>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>>>>
>>>>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>>>>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>>>>
>>>>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able to
>>>>detect yr level of knowledge
>>>
>>>We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
>>>Greek languages.
>>
>> I declare Barbara the winner because she speaks better American.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>>
>
>well done. I give up.
>
>I do not speak american..
>By the way. I made some researches.. and found out that a greek slave with
>culture could cost 700 times the price of a normal slave..
The equivalent of owning a Ferrari at the time.
>
>as to roman citizenship. I am still looking for documents.. but found out
>there was a middle way.. the latin citizenship.
--
Martin
Mar 4th 2007, 12:03 pm
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tile wrote:
>I made some researches.. and found out
>that a greek slave with culture could cost
>700 times the price of a normal slave..
I wouldn't doubt it a bit.
Say a Baker wouldn't go to the Greek Slave Market to buy a slave to
push a milestone, load & unload grain, etc all day.
He would just buy an illiterate run-of- the-mill barbarian for that
work.
But a rich Patrician would even if it was just to raise their children
(nanny) and converse in Greek with them, if literate as nanny-teacher.
If they were extremely literary or a doctor the price is thru the roof.
Slaves to the rich are also a status symbols in quantity and esp
quality.
Entertainers and even fools (court jesters) for the home fetch a higher
price.
And then we have extremely rich men with penises
.
Eunuchs fetch a very high price.
Beautiful girls are sold in a closed market for the elite buyers and
not in the open public market standing naked being poked and stroked by
the 'tire kickers' (US term meaning someone who kicks the tires on a car
testing them but can't afford the car in the 1st place.
And when or if they ever tire of them they can recoup some/all of their
money thru prostitution or resale.
Also beautiful young boys were sold the same way.
I read that based on a ancient 1C-AD writer who mentioned the price of
these elite boys a 19C writer converted it to British Pounds and then a
21C historian converted that to USD.
So with those convertions which is highly debateable the price was
between $200,000 and $500,000.
So a very hi-end imported sports car to today's multi-millionare or
billionare which brings us back to the penis thing :-).
Regards, Walter
..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...
>I made some researches.. and found out
>that a greek slave with culture could cost
>700 times the price of a normal slave..
I wouldn't doubt it a bit.
Say a Baker wouldn't go to the Greek Slave Market to buy a slave to
push a milestone, load & unload grain, etc all day.
He would just buy an illiterate run-of- the-mill barbarian for that
work.
But a rich Patrician would even if it was just to raise their children
(nanny) and converse in Greek with them, if literate as nanny-teacher.
If they were extremely literary or a doctor the price is thru the roof.
Slaves to the rich are also a status symbols in quantity and esp
quality.
Entertainers and even fools (court jesters) for the home fetch a higher
price.
And then we have extremely rich men with penises
.Eunuchs fetch a very high price.
Beautiful girls are sold in a closed market for the elite buyers and
not in the open public market standing naked being poked and stroked by
the 'tire kickers' (US term meaning someone who kicks the tires on a car
testing them but can't afford the car in the 1st place
.And when or if they ever tire of them they can recoup some/all of their
money thru prostitution or resale.
Also beautiful young boys were sold the same way.
I read that based on a ancient 1C-AD writer who mentioned the price of
these elite boys a 19C writer converted it to British Pounds and then a
21C historian converted that to USD.
So with those convertions which is highly debateable the price was
between $200,000 and $500,000.
So a very hi-end imported sports car to today's multi-millionare or
billionare which brings us back to the penis thing :-).
Regards, Walter
..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...
Mar 4th 2007, 6:19 pm
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"Martin" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 06:48:58 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:35:40 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:57:53 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>well. if you think so.
>>>>>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not
>>>>>mean
>>>>>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>>>>>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>>>>>
>>>>>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able
>>>>>to
>>>>>detect yr level of knowledge
>>>>
>>>>We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
>>>>Greek languages.
>>>
>>> I declare Barbara the winner because she speaks better American.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>
>>well done. I give up.
>>
>>I do not speak american..
>>By the way. I made some researches.. and found out that a greek slave with
>>culture could cost 700 times the price of a normal slave..
>
> The equivalent of owning a Ferrari at the time.
>
>>
>>as to roman citizenship. I am still looking for documents.. but found out
>>there was a middle way.. the latin citizenship.
>
>
> --
>
> Martin
>
well. there were times when some families owned 20.000 slaves..
you might imagine how rich they were.
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 06:48:58 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:35:40 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:57:53 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>well. if you think so.
>>>>>It means that 20 years of studies in Italy and 10 years of latin do not
>>>>>mean
>>>>>anything anymore. ( and I mean of the old italian schools.. )
>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt you ever read any latin author in the original language..
>>>>>And I am almost sure you never read anything in greek
>>>>>
>>>>>But in case you did I would to knwo which ones.. and I will be able
>>>>>to
>>>>>detect yr level of knowledge
>>>>
>>>>We were discussing my knowledge of Roman history, not of Latin and
>>>>Greek languages.
>>>
>>> I declare Barbara the winner because she speaks better American.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>
>>well done. I give up.
>>
>>I do not speak american..
>>By the way. I made some researches.. and found out that a greek slave with
>>culture could cost 700 times the price of a normal slave..
>
> The equivalent of owning a Ferrari at the time.
>
>>
>>as to roman citizenship. I am still looking for documents.. but found out
>>there was a middle way.. the latin citizenship.
>
>
> --
>
> Martin
>
well. there were times when some families owned 20.000 slaves..
you might imagine how rich they were.
