Jeremyrh Geo

Martin a écrit :

    > On 6 Sep 2005 03:52:27 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >Martin a écrit :
    > >
    > >> On 6 Sep 2005 02:24:18 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >Martin a écrit :
    > >> >
    > >> >> On 5 Sep 2005 00:45:35 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >DDT Filled Mormons a écrit :
    > >> >
    > >> >> >> Rice steamers, pasta cookers, toasted sandwich makers, choppers,
    > >> >> >> slicers, and dicers are all worthless products that can be replaced by
    > >> >> >> something much simpler, so why bother to buy them?
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >Umm ... because I can, and I want to?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Wait until you see the size of a Dutch kitchen.
    > >> >
    > >> >If it's smaller than our present one, there'll be a riot! We don't even
    > >> >have an oven. Strange that in a country that prides itself on its
    > >> >cooking, the kitchen should be so impoverished!
    > >>
    > >> My first Dutch flat was smaller than Chez Mixi. It had a gas water
    > >> heater but no ventilation.
    > >
    > >Well, we're looking for somewhere close to the school,
    > Did you solve the school problem?
    > >close to work
    > >(Rijswijk), next to a canal, garden that tends itself
    > microscopic covered in concrete slabs?
    > >, and a large
    > >kitchen.
    > 3 million euro house with small garden? :-)
    > >
    > >I suspect that we may be disappointed ...
    > ... my wife said that when she moved from central Paris to NL, she
    > expected to replace the expensive broom cupboard she lived in,in
    > central Paris, with a house for the same price in NL. She got a Dutch
    > broom cupboard for the same price. The Dutch didn't used to be very
    > interested in cooking anything elaborate, so kitchens got low priority
    > in the post war housing boom. Our house was previously owned by an
    > English couple, who extended and doubled the area of the kitchen, even
    > so it's very cramped. Be prepared for your electric kitchen appliances
    > to blow the fuse, when you switch it them all on. You need three phase
    > to run a normal electric hob and oven.

<fx: fingers in ears>

da da da da da I can't hear you da da da da

G;

Martin

On 6 Sep 2005 04:29:31 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

    >Martin a écrit :
    >> On 6 Sep 2005 03:52:27 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >
    >> >Martin a écrit :
    >> >
    >> >> On 6 Sep 2005 02:24:18 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Martin a écrit :
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> On 5 Sep 2005 00:45:35 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >DDT Filled Mormons a écrit :
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> Rice steamers, pasta cookers, toasted sandwich makers, choppers,
    >> >> >> >> slicers, and dicers are all worthless products that can be replaced by
    >> >> >> >> something much simpler, so why bother to buy them?
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >Umm ... because I can, and I want to?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Wait until you see the size of a Dutch kitchen.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >If it's smaller than our present one, there'll be a riot! We don't even
    >> >> >have an oven. Strange that in a country that prides itself on its
    >> >> >cooking, the kitchen should be so impoverished!
    >> >>
    >> >> My first Dutch flat was smaller than Chez Mixi. It had a gas water
    >> >> heater but no ventilation.
    >> >
    >> >Well, we're looking for somewhere close to the school,
    >> Did you solve the school problem?
    >> >close to work
    >> >(Rijswijk), next to a canal, garden that tends itself
    >> microscopic covered in concrete slabs?
    >> >, and a large
    >> >kitchen.
    >> 3 million euro house with small garden? :-)
    >> >
    >> >I suspect that we may be disappointed ...
    >> ... my wife said that when she moved from central Paris to NL, she
    >> expected to replace the expensive broom cupboard she lived in,in
    >> central Paris, with a house for the same price in NL. She got a Dutch
    >> broom cupboard for the same price. The Dutch didn't used to be very
    >> interested in cooking anything elaborate, so kitchens got low priority
    >> in the post war housing boom. Our house was previously owned by an
    >> English couple, who extended and doubled the area of the kitchen, even
    >> so it's very cramped. Be prepared for your electric kitchen appliances
    >> to blow the fuse, when you switch it them all on. You need three phase
    >> to run a normal electric hob and oven.
    ><fx: fingers in ears>
    >da da da da da I can't hear you da da da da
<shouts>
Would you believe I used a paraffin primus stove for a while, when I
first got a flat here.
--
Martin

Jeremyrh Geo

Martin a écrit :

    > On 6 Sep 2005 04:29:31 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >Martin a écrit :
    > >
    > >> On 6 Sep 2005 03:52:27 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >Martin a écrit :
    > >> >
    > >> >> On 6 Sep 2005 02:24:18 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >Martin a écrit :
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >> On 5 Sep 2005 00:45:35 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >DDT Filled Mormons a écrit :
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> Rice steamers, pasta cookers, toasted sandwich makers, choppers,
    > >> >> >> >> slicers, and dicers are all worthless products that can be replaced by
    > >> >> >> >> something much simpler, so why bother to buy them?
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >Umm ... because I can, and I want to?
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Wait until you see the size of a Dutch kitchen.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >If it's smaller than our present one, there'll be a riot! We don't even
    > >> >> >have an oven. Strange that in a country that prides itself on its
    > >> >> >cooking, the kitchen should be so impoverished!
    > >> >>
    > >> >> My first Dutch flat was smaller than Chez Mixi. It had a gas water
    > >> >> heater but no ventilation.
    > >> >
    > >> >Well, we're looking for somewhere close to the school,
    > >>
    > >> Did you solve the school problem?
    > >>
    > >> >close to work
    > >> >(Rijswijk), next to a canal, garden that tends itself
    > >>
    > >> microscopic covered in concrete slabs?
    > >>
    > >> >, and a large
    > >> >kitchen.
    > >>
    > >> 3 million euro house with small garden? :-)
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >I suspect that we may be disappointed ...
    > >>
    > >> ... my wife said that when she moved from central Paris to NL, she
    > >> expected to replace the expensive broom cupboard she lived in,in
    > >> central Paris, with a house for the same price in NL. She got a Dutch
    > >> broom cupboard for the same price. The Dutch didn't used to be very
    > >> interested in cooking anything elaborate, so kitchens got low priority
    > >> in the post war housing boom. Our house was previously owned by an
    > >> English couple, who extended and doubled the area of the kitchen, even
    > >> so it's very cramped. Be prepared for your electric kitchen appliances
    > >> to blow the fuse, when you switch it them all on. You need three phase
    > >> to run a normal electric hob and oven.
    > >
    > ><fx: fingers in ears>
    > >
    > >da da da da da I can't hear you da da da da
    > <shouts>
    > Would you believe I used a paraffin primus stove for a while, when I
    > first got a flat here.

Heh! I've used a camping gaz stove to cook rice here in Paris. Our
stupid induction hob [1] got all confused and refused to switch on, and
I had no choice but to get the camping stove out. That was before I
bought a rice cooker, obviously ...

[1] Now THERE'S a useless piece of kitchen equipment. Seems like a good
idea, but then you need to buy new pans, which are three times the
price of ordinary pans, and ours has a mind of its own and needs
"rebooting" on a regular basis.

G;

Martin

On 6 Sep 2005 06:06:10 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

    >Martin a écrit :
    >> On 6 Sep 2005 04:29:31 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >
    >> >Martin a écrit :
    >> >
    >> >> On 6 Sep 2005 03:52:27 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Martin a écrit :
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> On 6 Sep 2005 02:24:18 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >Martin a écrit :
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> On 5 Sep 2005 00:45:35 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >DDT Filled Mormons a écrit :
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> Rice steamers, pasta cookers, toasted sandwich makers, choppers,
    >> >> >> >> >> slicers, and dicers are all worthless products that can be replaced by
    >> >> >> >> >> something much simpler, so why bother to buy them?
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >Umm ... because I can, and I want to?
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Wait until you see the size of a Dutch kitchen.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >If it's smaller than our present one, there'll be a riot! We don't even
    >> >> >> >have an oven. Strange that in a country that prides itself on its
    >> >> >> >cooking, the kitchen should be so impoverished!
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> My first Dutch flat was smaller than Chez Mixi. It had a gas water
    >> >> >> heater but no ventilation.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Well, we're looking for somewhere close to the school,
    >> >>
    >> >> Did you solve the school problem?
    >> >>
    >> >> >close to work
    >> >> >(Rijswijk), next to a canal, garden that tends itself
    >> >>
    >> >> microscopic covered in concrete slabs?
    >> >>
    >> >> >, and a large
    >> >> >kitchen.
    >> >>
    >> >> 3 million euro house with small garden? :-)
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> >I suspect that we may be disappointed ...
    >> >>
    >> >> ... my wife said that when she moved from central Paris to NL, she
    >> >> expected to replace the expensive broom cupboard she lived in,in
    >> >> central Paris, with a house for the same price in NL. She got a Dutch
    >> >> broom cupboard for the same price. The Dutch didn't used to be very
    >> >> interested in cooking anything elaborate, so kitchens got low priority
    >> >> in the post war housing boom. Our house was previously owned by an
    >> >> English couple, who extended and doubled the area of the kitchen, even
    >> >> so it's very cramped. Be prepared for your electric kitchen appliances
    >> >> to blow the fuse, when you switch it them all on. You need three phase
    >> >> to run a normal electric hob and oven.
    >> >
    >> ><fx: fingers in ears>
    >> >
    >> >da da da da da I can't hear you da da da da
    >> <shouts>
    >> Would you believe I used a paraffin primus stove for a while, when I
    >> first got a flat here.
    >Heh! I've used a camping gaz stove to cook rice here in Paris. Our
    >stupid induction hob [1] got all confused and refused to switch on, and
    >I had no choice but to get the camping stove out. That was before I
    >bought a rice cooker, obviously ...
    >[1] Now THERE'S a useless piece of kitchen equipment. Seems like a good
    >idea, but then you need to buy new pans, which are three times the
    >price of ordinary pans, and ours has a mind of its own and needs
    >"rebooting" on a regular basis.

Sounds like the Sony Erik. mobile phone we have had passed on to us
by my son. It must really have the worst software that's ever been
embedded in anything.
--
Martin

Timothy Kroesen

The first I've heard of it was in an article about an Alaskan fisherman
years ago looking for a way to cook intact the extra large filets that
inhabit the local waters... I've eaten a ton of Walleye nuked with
potatoes and onions when I lived at Put-In-Bay (Lake Erie Islands)...
Talk about an island brekkie!

Tim K

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Timothy Kroesen wrote:
    > > ...I've seen dishwashers used to cook fish...<g>
    > I've heard of that, actually - often wondered how it's done.
    > (But I think I'll stick to the microwave, which IMO cooks
    > fish to perfection.)

Timothy Kroesen

I likewise heard that Viagra is covered under Medicaid...<g>

Tim K

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Padraig Breathnach wrote:
    > > Tim Challenger <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:58:37 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>> Modern conveniences are seldom if ever necessary
    > >>
    > >>Duh! Otherwise they'd be called necessities.
    > >
    > >
    > > The list of necessities seems to grow very fast.
    > Too true! Some musician friends of mine were so down on
    > their luck they tried to apply for welfare. They discovered
    > that a televison set and an automobile were considered
    > necessities, and welfare recipients were allowed to possess
    > those. However, their grand piano was a disqualifying
    > "luxury" (never mind that it was a necessary "trade tool"
    > for a classical composer/musician).

Jeremyrh Geo

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) a écrit :

    > Too true! Some musician friends of mine were so down on
    > their luck they tried to apply for welfare. They discovered
    > that a televison set and an automobile were considered
    > necessities, and welfare recipients were allowed to possess
    > those. However, their grand piano was a disqualifying
    > "luxury" (never mind that it was a necessary "trade tool"
    > for a classical composer/musician).

A little while ago, people who did not pay their local tax (Poll Tax)
were threatened with a visit from the bailiffs who were empowered to
take everything except a bed, a table, and a chair. since most of my
student friends lived without at least one of those "necessities", the
question was whether the bailiffs were obliged to SUPPLY them if they
visited.

G;

Viking

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:02:43 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:34:14 -0700, bill frogg
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>There are quite a few Chinese businesses in the gloomier streets around
    >>>the Termini. Don't worry, quite safe just gloomy
    >>Except, of course, for the Termini pickpockets all around the area.
    >I like the idea of streets that are not safe for pickpockets.

Me too. Got any?

Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:04:47 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    > offy) wrote:
[]
    > >Leaving aside rice cookers for a moment, that's not always the case IMO-
    > >such as the steamer I bought. It was more trouble than it was worth,
    > >despite promises by the manufacturers to the contrary. I do know some
    > >people with rice cookers, and they they are enthusiastic about them, but
    > >as I don't have a problem with rice boiling over, etc., and don't need
    > >it ready in time for breakfast etc., I've just never seen the point of
    > >getting one.
    >
    > Of the convenience things we have bought other than the microwave,
    > cooker/oven and fridge, the most used things are a Kenwood mixer
    > bought in 1979, and a cheap Morphy Richards Automatic Bread Machine
    > bought 3 years ago which is used almost daily. We managed without
    > having microwave until 8 years ago.

I had a bread machine in the US, and I gave up using it after a while.
Some UK friends of mine love it, but for the mixing etc., not the actual
baking- they do that in a regular oven. As for the mixer, I find that
pretty indispensable. It would be very hard, and take a lot of time, to
do some of the jobs by hand I do with the mixer.

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Martin

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:45:52 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:04:47 +0100, [email protected]
    >> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    >> offy) wrote:
    >[]
    >> >Leaving aside rice cookers for a moment, that's not always the case IMO-
    >> >such as the steamer I bought. It was more trouble than it was worth,
    >> >despite promises by the manufacturers to the contrary. I do know some
    >> >people with rice cookers, and they they are enthusiastic about them, but
    >> >as I don't have a problem with rice boiling over, etc., and don't need
    >> >it ready in time for breakfast etc., I've just never seen the point of
    >> >getting one.
    >>
    >> Of the convenience things we have bought other than the microwave,
    >> cooker/oven and fridge, the most used things are a Kenwood mixer
    >> bought in 1979, and a cheap Morphy Richards Automatic Bread Machine
    >> bought 3 years ago which is used almost daily. We managed without
    >> having microwave until 8 years ago.
    >I had a bread machine in the US, and I gave up using it after a while.
    >Some UK friends of mine love it, but for the mixing etc., not the actual
    >baking- they do that in a regular oven.

We do both. Some types of bread are better baked in the oven.
We make pizza & ciabata dough with it too
The hole in the base of the loaf irritates me.

    >As for the mixer, I find that
    >pretty indispensable. It would be very hard, and take a lot of time, to
    >do some of the jobs by hand I do with the mixer.

We have a Kenwood Chef with all the attachments bought in UK in the
1970s. It's been serviced once. The motor started making odd noises
and we stopped using it until somebody on Internet in UK told me that
you can have them fixed for a small amount. It took some effort to
locate the Kenwood importer in NL. The importer turned out to be a
short drive away and they did fix it cheap and quickly.
--
Martin

Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:45:52 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    > offy) wrote:
[]
    > >I had a bread machine in the US, and I gave up using it after a while.
    > >Some UK friends of mine love it, but for the mixing etc., not the actual
    > >baking- they do that in a regular oven.
    >
    > We do both. Some types of bread are better baked in the oven.
    > We make pizza & ciabata dough with it too
    > The hole in the base of the loaf irritates me.

Unless you're only ever going to make pannetone! First time, I screwed
up, and got something rathher odd looking. Friend of mine commented
(over the phone, so obviously from experience) 'so, you got a hockey
puck?'

    > >As for the mixer, I find that
    > >pretty indispensable. It would be very hard, and take a lot of time, to
    > >do some of the jobs by hand I do with the mixer.
    >
    > We have a Kenwood Chef with all the attachments bought in UK in the
    > 1970s. It's been serviced once. The motor started making odd noises
    > and we stopped using it until somebody on Internet in UK told me that
    > you can have them fixed for a small amount. It took some effort to
    > locate the Kenwood importer in NL. The importer turned out to be a
    > short drive away and they did fix it cheap and quickly.

An implement which I use daily while at home is a citrus juicer. You can
do it by hand, but it's quite a bit easier with the juicer.

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