Kevin Edwards

Any quick tips on how to pronounce Rennes - as in the capital of Brittany -
without sounding like too much of a rookie.

Thanks

Pltrgyst

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:48:44 -0600, "Kevin Edwards" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Any quick tips on how to pronounce Rennes - as in the capital of Brittany -
    >without sounding like too much of a rookie.

Simply "ren" -- or like the bird, the "wren". Like the word "rent" without the
"t".

Hope one of those imprecise descriptions helps...

-- Larry

Stanislas de Kertanguy

Kevin Edwards <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Any quick tips on how to pronounce Rennes - as in the capital of Brittany -
    > without sounding like too much of a rookie.

To be quick: Pronounce "Ren", and let the N end slowly.

- The R pronunciation should be stressed compared to standard American.
Rs are not openly rolled any more in everyday French (unless you want to
mock pre-WWII singers ;-)
The Rs are now pronounced "grasseyés": a sound resembling what an angry
cat can do :-)

- The first E is a "E grave" like in "Philadelphia"

- The final "es" are mute letters, as common with plurals of feminine
nouns ending with E: oreille, pomme, etc...


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Cpmac

Kevin Edwards a écrit :
    > Any quick tips on how to pronounce Rennes - as in the capital of Brittany -
    > without sounding like too much of a rookie.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >

"Renn" as in wren the bird. Just a soupcon of a roll on the "R".

cpmac
www.cpmac.com/normandy

Poldy

In article <[email protected]>,
Cpmac <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Kevin Edwards a écrit :
    > > Any quick tips on how to pronounce Rennes - as in the capital of Brittany
    > > -
    > > without sounding like too much of a rookie.
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > >
    >
    > "Renn" as in wren the bird. Just a soupcon of a roll on the "R".
    >

What about Reims?

Ream or REM?

What about Cannes?

Can or Caan?

Jcoulter

poldy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Cpmac <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Kevin Edwards a écrit :
    >> > Any quick tips on how to pronounce Rennes - as in the capital of
    >> > Brittany -
    >> > without sounding like too much of a rookie.
    >> >
    >> > Thanks
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >> "Renn" as in wren the bird. Just a soupcon of a roll on the "R".
    >>
    >
    > What about Reims?
    >
    > Ream or REM?
neither it is more like Ranz with an a as in father and a nasal at the end

    >
    > What about Cannes?
    >
    > Can or Caan?
again father vowel more like con
    >

Mxsmanic

Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:

    > To be quick: Pronounce "Ren", and let the N end slowly.

End slowly?

    > - The R pronunciation should be stressed compared to standard American.

There is no difference in stress.

    > Rs are not openly rolled any more in everyday French (unless you want to
    > mock pre-WWII singers ;-)
    > The Rs are now pronounced "grasseyés": a sound resembling what an angry
    > cat can do :-)

The standard rhotic in French is a uvular fricative. A minority of
speakers use a uvular trill (think Brassens) or even an alveolar trill.

    > - The first E is a "E grave" like in "Philadelphia"

There are five vowels in Philadelphia. The vowel in Rennes is the same
as the vowel in the English word "men."

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Sieska

Reims is pronounced to rhyme with France!!!

Sieska
"jcoulter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > poldy <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> Cpmac <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> Kevin Edwards a écrit :
    >>> > Any quick tips on how to pronounce Rennes - as in the capital of
    >>> > Brittany -
    >>> > without sounding like too much of a rookie.
    >>> >
    >>> > Thanks
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> "Renn" as in wren the bird. Just a soupcon of a roll on the "R".
    >> What about Reims?
    >> Ream or REM?
    > neither it is more like Ranz with an a as in father and a nasal at the
    > end
    >> What about Cannes?
    >> Can or Caan?
    > again father vowel more like con
    >

Stanislas de Kertanguy

Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > To be quick: Pronounce "Ren", and let the N end slowly.
    >
    > End slowly?

Since I have nothing near your knowledge in phonetics, I can't have as
accurate explanations as you do. I meant that the double N should last
longer and should not be cut abruptly.

    > > - The R pronunciation should be stressed compared to standard American.
    >
    > There is no difference in stress.
    >
    > > Rs are not openly rolled any more in everyday French (unless you want to
    > > mock pre-WWII singers ;-)
    > > The Rs are now pronounced "grasseyés": a sound resembling what an angry
    > > cat can do :-)
    >
    > The standard rhotic in French is a uvular fricative. A minority of
    > speakers use a uvular trill (think Brassens) or even an alveolar trill.

The rolled "thrilled" R disappeared almost completely from everyday talk
very shortly after WWII as I said, save for some regional accents. It
seems quite strange today to a French ear. Listen to this 1936 song:
(very funny if you can understand the lyrics...)

<http://www.chanson.udenap.org/enregi..._lycee_papillo
n_1936.mp3>

You may also compare Charles Trenet's songs before and after the war.

    > > - The first E is a "E grave" like in "Philadelphia"
    >
    > There are five vowels in Philadelphia. The vowel in Rennes is the same
    > as the vowel in the English word "men."

It was obvious that I was referring to the E in Philadelphia, ***even
for you*** - but you wanted - again - to get on my nerves...

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Deep Foiled Malls

On Sun, 1 May 2005 10:06:50 +0200, [email protected]
(Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote:

    >Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> There are five vowels in Philadelphia. The vowel in Rennes is the same
    >> as the vowel in the English word "men."
    >It was obvious that I was referring to the E in Philadelphia, ***even
    >for you*** - but you wanted - again - to get on my nerves...

That's what you get for getting on his!
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Rance (with a nasal sound on the vowel, which is short)

Can, with a fairly short 'a'.

PJW

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:35:52 -0700, poldy <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > Cpmac <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Kevin Edwards a écrit :
    >> > Any quick tips on how to pronounce Rennes - as in the capital of Brittany
    >> > -
    >> > without sounding like too much of a rookie.
    >> >
    >> > Thanks
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >> "Renn" as in wren the bird. Just a soupcon of a roll on the "R".
    >>
    >What about Reims?
    >Ream or REM?
    >What about Cannes?
    >Can or Caan?

Dgs

Stanislas de Kertanguy wrote:

    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>[...]
    >>>- The first E is a "E grave" like in "Philadelphia"
    >>There are five vowels in Philadelphia. The vowel in Rennes is the same
    >>as the vowel in the English word "men."
    >
    > It was obvious that I was referring to the E in Philadelphia, ***even
    > for you*** - but you wanted - again - to get on my nerves...

There's a way to prevent him from getting on your nerves.

It's called a killfile. You might want to consider it. Otherwise,
you're just another enabler.
--
dgs

Stanislas de Kertanguy

poldy <[email protected]> wrote:

    > What about Reims?

The final S is pronounced, and the M is mute as a consonant - but it
does make the vowel nasal.

It's the same pronunciation that the conjugated word "Rince" from
"Rincer" (to rinse).

    > What about Cannes?

Can.

Another tricky one: Auxerre - it's pronounced Osser. No X. Jut like
Bruxelles is pronounced Brussel (normal, hey!)


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Jcoulter

[email protected] (Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote in
news:1gvwliu.ufessyy7dp4wN%stanislas.kertanguyde@l aposte.net:

    > poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> What about Reims?
    >
    > The final S is pronounced, and the M is mute as a consonant - but it
    > does make the vowel nasal.
    >
    > It's the same pronunciation that the conjugated word "Rince" from
    > "Rincer" (to rinse).
    >
    >> What about Cannes?
    >
    > Can.
    >
    > Another tricky one: Auxerre - it's pronounced Osser

Would it not be more like Osair?

No X. Jut like
    > Bruxelles is pronounced Brussel (normal, hey!)
except, of course, one does hear "Brook-zell"
    >
    >

Magda

On Sun, 01 May 2005 15:24:01 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, jcoulter
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... [email protected] (Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote in
... news:1gvwliu.ufessyy7dp4wN%stanislas.kertanguyde@l aposte.net:
...
... > poldy <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >> What about Reims?
... >
... > The final S is pronounced, and the M is mute as a consonant - but it
... > does make the vowel nasal.
... >
... > It's the same pronunciation that the conjugated word "Rince" from
... > "Rincer" (to rinse).
... >
... >> What about Cannes?
... >
... > Can.
... >
... > Another tricky one: Auxerre - it's pronounced Osser
...
... Would it not be more like Osair?

Oksair.