recommendations for a two week trip to europe
Jun 29th 2005, 7:30 pm
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:28:30 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>I used to work with somebody who spent her holidays doing around the
>world trips without never leaving the airports. My idea of hell and
>her idea of paradise.
I am trying to think of the non-cynical reasons for doing such a
thing...
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>I used to work with somebody who spent her holidays doing around the
>world trips without never leaving the airports. My idea of hell and
>her idea of paradise.
I am trying to think of the non-cynical reasons for doing such a
thing...
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Jun 29th 2005, 8:14 pm
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:30:03 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
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>On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:28:30 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I used to work with somebody who spent her holidays doing around the
>>world trips without never leaving the airports. My idea of hell and
>>her idea of paradise.
>I am trying to think of the non-cynical reasons for doing such a
>thing...
... mad as a hatter?
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:28:30 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I used to work with somebody who spent her holidays doing around the
>>world trips without never leaving the airports. My idea of hell and
>>her idea of paradise.
>I am trying to think of the non-cynical reasons for doing such a
>thing...
... mad as a hatter?
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Jun 29th 2005, 9:44 pm
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
>> Some people just want a few photo ops rather than any actual experiences,
>> so they are quite happy to visit say, London, Paris, Athens, Cairo, Delhi,
>> Beijing, and Los Angeles in 21 days.
> But according to the above, this was a woman who never left the airports.
> There are few photo ops in airports (or at least they don't usually vary much
> from one airport to the next).
Did she literally "never leave the airports", or did she just jam an
absurd number of places and flights into a short time?
>> so they are quite happy to visit say, London, Paris, Athens, Cairo, Delhi,
>> Beijing, and Los Angeles in 21 days.
> But according to the above, this was a woman who never left the airports.
> There are few photo ops in airports (or at least they don't usually vary much
> from one airport to the next).
Did she literally "never leave the airports", or did she just jam an
absurd number of places and flights into a short time?
Jun 29th 2005, 9:59 pm
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
In news:[email protected] oups.com,
Iceman <[email protected]> typed:
>>> Some people just want a few photo ops rather than any actual
>>> experiences, so they are quite happy to visit say, London,
>>> Paris,
>>> Athens, Cairo, Delhi, Beijing, and Los Angeles in 21 days.
>> But according to the above, this was a woman who never left
>> the
>> airports. There are few photo ops in airports (or at least
>> they
>> don't usually vary much from one airport to the next).
> Did she literally "never leave the airports", or did she just
> jam an
> absurd number of places and flights into a short time?
Beats me; I'm not the one who knew her. I took the original
poster at his word. If he meant it as an exaggeration, I didn't
read it that way.
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Iceman <[email protected]> typed:
>>> Some people just want a few photo ops rather than any actual
>>> experiences, so they are quite happy to visit say, London,
>>> Paris,
>>> Athens, Cairo, Delhi, Beijing, and Los Angeles in 21 days.
>> But according to the above, this was a woman who never left
>> the
>> airports. There are few photo ops in airports (or at least
>> they
>> don't usually vary much from one airport to the next).
> Did she literally "never leave the airports", or did she just
> jam an
> absurd number of places and flights into a short time?
Beats me; I'm not the one who knew her. I took the original
poster at his word. If he meant it as an exaggeration, I didn't
read it that way.
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Jun 29th 2005, 10:10 pm
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
Iceman wrote:
> Did she literally "never leave the airports", or did she just jam an
> absurd number of places and flights into a short time?
That's another reason I avoided a group (family) trip with the sister in law who
was such a PITA on the last trip. She hated Paris when we were there and did her
best to make sure that no one else had a good time. This time her good friend was
going and had to see Paris. So for a wedding in Portugal they flew to Paris, Paris
to Lisbon, Lisbon to Copenhagen, Copenhagen back to Paris. For me, that is a lot
of back tracking and a lot of time spent in the air, waiting in airports or in
transit back and forth to airports on a two week trip. This time she just had to
go and see the Moulin Rouge because her friends wanted to see it. When I was there
with them 5 years ago we had been booked into a hotel across the street from it and
she sat in her room and cried because it was such a seedy neighbourhood.
> Did she literally "never leave the airports", or did she just jam an
> absurd number of places and flights into a short time?
That's another reason I avoided a group (family) trip with the sister in law who
was such a PITA on the last trip. She hated Paris when we were there and did her
best to make sure that no one else had a good time. This time her good friend was
going and had to see Paris. So for a wedding in Portugal they flew to Paris, Paris
to Lisbon, Lisbon to Copenhagen, Copenhagen back to Paris. For me, that is a lot
of back tracking and a lot of time spent in the air, waiting in airports or in
transit back and forth to airports on a two week trip. This time she just had to
go and see the Moulin Rouge because her friends wanted to see it. When I was there
with them 5 years ago we had been booked into a hotel across the street from it and
she sat in her room and cried because it was such a seedy neighbourhood.
Jun 30th 2005, 7:45 am
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:10:10 -0400, Dave Smith
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>Iceman wrote:
>> Did she literally "never leave the airports",
She never left the airport buildings.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Iceman wrote:
>> Did she literally "never leave the airports",
She never left the airport buildings.
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Jun 30th 2005, 8:45 am
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:59:36 -0700, "Ken Blake"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Beats me; I'm not the one who knew her. I took the original
>poster at his word. If he meant it as an exaggeration, I didn't
>read it that way.
I posted unexaggerated fact.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Beats me; I'm not the one who knew her. I took the original
>poster at his word. If he meant it as an exaggeration, I didn't
>read it that way.
I posted unexaggerated fact.
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Jun 30th 2005, 11:12 am
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
DDT Filled Mormons wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:28:30 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I used to work with somebody who spent her holidays doing around the
> >world trips without never leaving the airports. My idea of hell and
> >her idea of paradise.
> I am trying to think of the non-cynical reasons for doing such a
> thing...
Plane - spotting.
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> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:28:30 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I used to work with somebody who spent her holidays doing around the
> >world trips without never leaving the airports. My idea of hell and
> >her idea of paradise.
> I am trying to think of the non-cynical reasons for doing such a
> thing...
Plane - spotting.
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Jun 30th 2005, 4:14 pm
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
On 2005-06-27 16:32:04 +0200, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> said:
>
>
> Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:37:13 GMT, Jason Dunsmore
> [snip]
>> It's like this. Here in r.t.e. once or twice a week an American on a
>> tight, tight supertight schedule wants to 'do' Europe in as little
>> time as possible so he/she can go home and say they have travelled the
>> world.
> [snip]
>
> It's a variation on the european who wants to come to the US
> and visit NY, Disney, Dallas, Denver, and LA with a side trip to
> San Fran, in a car, in 3 weeks.
Plus the Grand Canyon.
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<[email protected]> said:
>
>
> Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:37:13 GMT, Jason Dunsmore
> [snip]
>> It's like this. Here in r.t.e. once or twice a week an American on a
>> tight, tight supertight schedule wants to 'do' Europe in as little
>> time as possible so he/she can go home and say they have travelled the
>> world.
> [snip]
>
> It's a variation on the european who wants to come to the US
> and visit NY, Disney, Dallas, Denver, and LA with a side trip to
> San Fran, in a car, in 3 weeks.
Plus the Grand Canyon.
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Jun 30th 2005, 4:18 pm
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:14:55 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2005-06-27 16:32:04 +0200, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> said:
>>
>>
>> Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:37:13 GMT, Jason Dunsmore
>> [snip]
>>> It's like this. Here in r.t.e. once or twice a week an American on a
>>> tight, tight supertight schedule wants to 'do' Europe in as little
>>> time as possible so he/she can go home and say they have travelled the
>>> world.
>> [snip]
>>
>> It's a variation on the european who wants to come to the US
>> and visit NY, Disney, Dallas, Denver, and LA with a side trip to
>> San Fran, in a car, in 3 weeks.
>Plus the Grand Canyon.
Hearst Castle - Yosemite- Death Valley - Sequoia Park ...
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>On 2005-06-27 16:32:04 +0200, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> said:
>>
>>
>> Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:37:13 GMT, Jason Dunsmore
>> [snip]
>>> It's like this. Here in r.t.e. once or twice a week an American on a
>>> tight, tight supertight schedule wants to 'do' Europe in as little
>>> time as possible so he/she can go home and say they have travelled the
>>> world.
>> [snip]
>>
>> It's a variation on the european who wants to come to the US
>> and visit NY, Disney, Dallas, Denver, and LA with a side trip to
>> San Fran, in a car, in 3 weeks.
>Plus the Grand Canyon.
Hearst Castle - Yosemite- Death Valley - Sequoia Park ...
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Jun 30th 2005, 7:11 pm
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
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> Hearst Castle - Yosemite- Death Valley - Sequoia Park ...
Sounds like a great itinerary. What do you plan to see after lunch?
Richard
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> Hearst Castle - Yosemite- Death Valley - Sequoia Park ...
Sounds like a great itinerary. What do you plan to see after lunch?
Richard
Jun 30th 2005, 7:28 pm
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>> Hearst Castle - Yosemite- Death Valley - Sequoia Park ...
> Sounds like a great itinerary. What do you plan to see after lunch?
Rick Steves recommended itinerary for "Europe's Best Three Weeks":
Day 1: Depart U.S. for Amsterdam
Day 2: Arrive in Amsterdam
Day 3: Amsterdam
Day 4: From Holland to the Rhine
Day 5: The Rhine to Rothenburg
Day 6: Rothenburg ob der Tauber
Day 7: Romantic Road, Dachau, Tirol
Day 8: Bavaria and Castle Day
Day 9: Over Alps to Venice
Day 10: Venice
Day 11: Florence
Day 12: Rome
Day 13: Rome
Day 14: Italian hill towns
Day 15: Drive the Italian Riviera
Day 16: Free on Cinque Terre beach
Day 17: Drive to the Alps
Day 18: Alps hike day, Gimmelwald
Day 19: Free in Alps; evening to France
Day 20: Colmar, Alsatian villages, wine
Day 21 On to Paris, stop at Reims
Day 22: Paris-
http://www.ricksteves.com/plan/desti...rope/eur22.htm
> Sounds like a great itinerary. What do you plan to see after lunch?
Rick Steves recommended itinerary for "Europe's Best Three Weeks":
Day 1: Depart U.S. for Amsterdam
Day 2: Arrive in Amsterdam
Day 3: Amsterdam
Day 4: From Holland to the Rhine
Day 5: The Rhine to Rothenburg
Day 6: Rothenburg ob der Tauber
Day 7: Romantic Road, Dachau, Tirol
Day 8: Bavaria and Castle Day
Day 9: Over Alps to Venice
Day 10: Venice
Day 11: Florence
Day 12: Rome
Day 13: Rome
Day 14: Italian hill towns
Day 15: Drive the Italian Riviera
Day 16: Free on Cinque Terre beach
Day 17: Drive to the Alps
Day 18: Alps hike day, Gimmelwald
Day 19: Free in Alps; evening to France
Day 20: Colmar, Alsatian villages, wine
Day 21 On to Paris, stop at Reims
Day 22: Paris-
http://www.ricksteves.com/plan/desti...rope/eur22.htm
Jun 30th 2005, 8:17 pm
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> >> Hearst Castle - Yosemite- Death Valley - Sequoia Park ...
> > Sounds like a great itinerary. What do you plan to see after lunch?
> Rick Steves recommended itinerary for "Europe's Best Three Weeks":
> Day 1: Depart U.S. for Amsterdam
> Day 2: Arrive in Amsterdam
> Day 3: Amsterdam
> Day 4: From Holland to the Rhine
> Day 5: The Rhine to Rothenburg
> Day 6: Rothenburg ob der Tauber
> Day 7: Romantic Road, Dachau, Tirol
> Day 8: Bavaria and Castle Day
> Day 9: Over Alps to Venice
> Day 10: Venice
> Day 11: Florence
> Day 12: Rome
> Day 13: Rome
> Day 14: Italian hill towns
> Day 15: Drive the Italian Riviera
> Day 16: Free on Cinque Terre beach
> Day 17: Drive to the Alps
> Day 18: Alps hike day, Gimmelwald
> Day 19: Free in Alps; evening to France
> Day 20: Colmar, Alsatian villages, wine
> Day 21 On to Paris, stop at Reims
> Day 22: Paris-
Crazy. I take the opposite approach. It's not easy for me to get more than a
week off at a time, but it's easy enough to get a week's vacation a couple
times in a year, so what I usually do is pick one city and spend a week
there. So far I've done that in Madrid and London. Next on the list is
Prague. Some might say I'm spending too much time in each place but I like
to get a feel for the city, not just see how quickly I can fill up my
digicam's memory card.
Richard
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> >> Hearst Castle - Yosemite- Death Valley - Sequoia Park ...
> > Sounds like a great itinerary. What do you plan to see after lunch?
> Rick Steves recommended itinerary for "Europe's Best Three Weeks":
> Day 1: Depart U.S. for Amsterdam
> Day 2: Arrive in Amsterdam
> Day 3: Amsterdam
> Day 4: From Holland to the Rhine
> Day 5: The Rhine to Rothenburg
> Day 6: Rothenburg ob der Tauber
> Day 7: Romantic Road, Dachau, Tirol
> Day 8: Bavaria and Castle Day
> Day 9: Over Alps to Venice
> Day 10: Venice
> Day 11: Florence
> Day 12: Rome
> Day 13: Rome
> Day 14: Italian hill towns
> Day 15: Drive the Italian Riviera
> Day 16: Free on Cinque Terre beach
> Day 17: Drive to the Alps
> Day 18: Alps hike day, Gimmelwald
> Day 19: Free in Alps; evening to France
> Day 20: Colmar, Alsatian villages, wine
> Day 21 On to Paris, stop at Reims
> Day 22: Paris-
Crazy. I take the opposite approach. It's not easy for me to get more than a
week off at a time, but it's easy enough to get a week's vacation a couple
times in a year, so what I usually do is pick one city and spend a week
there. So far I've done that in Madrid and London. Next on the list is
Prague. Some might say I'm spending too much time in each place but I like
to get a feel for the city, not just see how quickly I can fill up my
digicam's memory card.
Richard
Jun 30th 2005, 8:25 pm
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I've always wondered about this itinerary. It's definitely in his books,
but it conflicts with a lot that he says. (Note that part of how he accomplishes
this is by travelling on night trains and sleeping there. )
I would be surprised if Rick Steves has ever done this itinerary personally.
Julie
Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>> >> Hearst Castle - Yosemite- Death Valley - Sequoia Park ...
>> > Sounds like a great itinerary. What do you plan to see after lunch?
>> Rick Steves recommended itinerary for "Europe's Best Three Weeks":
>> Day 1: Depart U.S. for Amsterdam
>> Day 2: Arrive in Amsterdam
>> Day 3: Amsterdam
>> Day 4: From Holland to the Rhine
>> Day 5: The Rhine to Rothenburg
>> Day 6: Rothenburg ob der Tauber
>> Day 7: Romantic Road, Dachau, Tirol
>> Day 8: Bavaria and Castle Day
>> Day 9: Over Alps to Venice
>> Day 10: Venice
>> Day 11: Florence
>> Day 12: Rome
>> Day 13: Rome
>> Day 14: Italian hill towns
>> Day 15: Drive the Italian Riviera
>> Day 16: Free on Cinque Terre beach
>> Day 17: Drive to the Alps
>> Day 18: Alps hike day, Gimmelwald
>> Day 19: Free in Alps; evening to France
>> Day 20: Colmar, Alsatian villages, wine
>> Day 21 On to Paris, stop at Reims
>> Day 22: Paris-
> Crazy. I take the opposite approach. It's not easy for me to get more than a
> week off at a time, but it's easy enough to get a week's vacation a couple
> times in a year, so what I usually do is pick one city and spend a week
> there. So far I've done that in Madrid and London. Next on the list is
> Prague. Some might say I'm spending too much time in each place but I like
> to get a feel for the city, not just see how quickly I can fill up my
> digicam's memory card.
> Richard
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but it conflicts with a lot that he says. (Note that part of how he accomplishes
this is by travelling on night trains and sleeping there. )
I would be surprised if Rick Steves has ever done this itinerary personally.
Julie
Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
>> >> Hearst Castle - Yosemite- Death Valley - Sequoia Park ...
>> > Sounds like a great itinerary. What do you plan to see after lunch?
>> Rick Steves recommended itinerary for "Europe's Best Three Weeks":
>> Day 1: Depart U.S. for Amsterdam
>> Day 2: Arrive in Amsterdam
>> Day 3: Amsterdam
>> Day 4: From Holland to the Rhine
>> Day 5: The Rhine to Rothenburg
>> Day 6: Rothenburg ob der Tauber
>> Day 7: Romantic Road, Dachau, Tirol
>> Day 8: Bavaria and Castle Day
>> Day 9: Over Alps to Venice
>> Day 10: Venice
>> Day 11: Florence
>> Day 12: Rome
>> Day 13: Rome
>> Day 14: Italian hill towns
>> Day 15: Drive the Italian Riviera
>> Day 16: Free on Cinque Terre beach
>> Day 17: Drive to the Alps
>> Day 18: Alps hike day, Gimmelwald
>> Day 19: Free in Alps; evening to France
>> Day 20: Colmar, Alsatian villages, wine
>> Day 21 On to Paris, stop at Reims
>> Day 22: Paris-
> Crazy. I take the opposite approach. It's not easy for me to get more than a
> week off at a time, but it's easy enough to get a week's vacation a couple
> times in a year, so what I usually do is pick one city and spend a week
> there. So far I've done that in Madrid and London. Next on the list is
> Prague. Some might say I'm spending too much time in each place but I like
> to get a feel for the city, not just see how quickly I can fill up my
> digicam's memory card.
> Richard
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Jun 30th 2005, 8:37 pm
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Re: recommendations for a two week trip to europe
"Crazy. I take the opposite approach. It's not easy for me to get more
than a week off at a time, but it's easy enough to get a week's
vacation a couple times in a year, so what I usually do is pick one
city and spend a week there. So far I've done that in Madrid and
London. Next on the list is Prague. Some might say I'm spending too
much time in each place but I like to get a feel for the city, not just
see how quickly I can fill up my digicam's memory card."
I have the same point of view as you do. I like to experience and
explore places and meet local people rather than just take photos of
myself in front of stuff. I could spend a month in London and do
something different and interesting every day.
than a week off at a time, but it's easy enough to get a week's
vacation a couple times in a year, so what I usually do is pick one
city and spend a week there. So far I've done that in Madrid and
London. Next on the list is Prague. Some might say I'm spending too
much time in each place but I like to get a feel for the city, not just
see how quickly I can fill up my digicam's memory card."
I have the same point of view as you do. I like to experience and
explore places and meet local people rather than just take photos of
myself in front of stuff. I could spend a month in London and do
something different and interesting every day.