A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
Nov 2nd 2006 | 10:18 pm
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A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
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A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
>From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 19:45
I am in Los Angeles at the moment, and do not have the opportunity to
write about events in Europe as much as I would like to. I will not be
back in Brussels until 12 November. Over here in the U.S. all attention
is focused on the upcoming elections. There is a possibility that the
Democrats will become the majority in the House of Representatives and
that Nancy Pelosi, the California Liberal, will become the next Speaker
of the House. I was in West Hollywood on Halloween. A friend described
this area as one third retiree, one third Russian and one third gay.
Sounds a bit like Europe to me.
The gays take every opportunity to dress up. Consequently Halloween has
become a gay festival in LA. The first people I met when leaving the
hotel were a group of men dressed up as ballerinas. This is Pelosi
Land.
Americans can already see what their country's future will be if they
vote for Pelosi and her band. They only need to watch Europe. That is
what America will be like 20 years from now if the Liberals succeed in
turning the U.S. into a European-style welfare state. The latter is the
cause of all Europe's problems. It has led to secularization, because
people who are catered for from the cradle to the grave no longer need
God. It has led to the immigration debacle, because Europe has
attracted welfare immigrants who only come for the benefits and not to
contribute to the host country's wealth creation. It has led to the
loss of the citizens' ability to care for themselves, because they
expect everything from the state.
However, the current American elections are relevant for Europe, too.
If they lead to the American withdrawal from Iraq, Europe will face a
widespread intifada. The withdrawal will be perceived as a defeat of
the West and the Muslim "youths" in Europe's cities will become
even more arrogant. They utterly despise the Europeans, whom they
perceive (not entirely without reason) to be men dressed up as
ballerinas, and they hate America because it fights back. In a world
ruled by men who only understand the language of power it is better to
be hated than despised. If America withdraws the Islamist fanatics will
despise America for it. They will take this as a sign that the West has
been defeated and that the world is theirs.
In this scenario Europe has more to lose than America. That makes it
all the more surprising that Europe's politicians refuse to support
America. They seem to be hoping that the Muslims, although they despise
the Europeans, will leave them alone so they can carry on paying the
taxes that the immigrants live off. I fear it will not turn out this
way. Moreover, the funds are running dry because the welfare state
hampers wealth creation.
I have ambivalent feelings about the war in Iraq, but once a country
has decided to go to war it has got to make sure it wins. Europe no
longer knows this, which also goes to explain why it does not want to
help America win the war and why, on a micro level, the situation in
France is deteriorating day by day. Last year the French Interior
Minister Nicolas Sarkozy decided to reestablish law and order in the
French immigrant suburbs which have become territorial pockets ruled by
thugs and Islamists. Instead of fighting this battle with all available
means the French authorities are waging a half-hearted war which has
led to the current debacle in France's no-go areas. Last year
"youths" developed a habit of setting parked (and empty) cars on
fire, but this year policemen and firefighters are being attacked in
paramilitary raids and crowded buses are being hijacked and arsoned.
Still the French Republic refuses to crack down on the Islamic
hooligans.
Yesterday Le Figaro reported that the police in Roubaix, a town in the
North of France, had been ordered not to search the house of a
suspected drug trafficker because he lived in a no-go part of town.
Police officers reported in an official but confidential document that
"the Prefect [the Governor] of the Nord Department [Province]
currently does not authorize police actions in that sector for reasons
concerning public order." The house of the suspected drug dealer was
situated in "a sensitive area." Here the thugs can do as they
please.
Following the publication of the confidential police report both the
French Interior Ministry and the Defence Ministry have denied its
content, saying that the police officers misunderstood the orders given
to them. The suspected drug trafficker was not arrested, they say,
because the police had to wait for reinforcements. Meanwhile the
authorities have announced an official investigation into the leaking
of the document. This attitude is a recipe for defeat.
A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
>From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 19:45
I am in Los Angeles at the moment, and do not have the opportunity to
write about events in Europe as much as I would like to. I will not be
back in Brussels until 12 November. Over here in the U.S. all attention
is focused on the upcoming elections. There is a possibility that the
Democrats will become the majority in the House of Representatives and
that Nancy Pelosi, the California Liberal, will become the next Speaker
of the House. I was in West Hollywood on Halloween. A friend described
this area as one third retiree, one third Russian and one third gay.
Sounds a bit like Europe to me.
The gays take every opportunity to dress up. Consequently Halloween has
become a gay festival in LA. The first people I met when leaving the
hotel were a group of men dressed up as ballerinas. This is Pelosi
Land.
Americans can already see what their country's future will be if they
vote for Pelosi and her band. They only need to watch Europe. That is
what America will be like 20 years from now if the Liberals succeed in
turning the U.S. into a European-style welfare state. The latter is the
cause of all Europe's problems. It has led to secularization, because
people who are catered for from the cradle to the grave no longer need
God. It has led to the immigration debacle, because Europe has
attracted welfare immigrants who only come for the benefits and not to
contribute to the host country's wealth creation. It has led to the
loss of the citizens' ability to care for themselves, because they
expect everything from the state.
However, the current American elections are relevant for Europe, too.
If they lead to the American withdrawal from Iraq, Europe will face a
widespread intifada. The withdrawal will be perceived as a defeat of
the West and the Muslim "youths" in Europe's cities will become
even more arrogant. They utterly despise the Europeans, whom they
perceive (not entirely without reason) to be men dressed up as
ballerinas, and they hate America because it fights back. In a world
ruled by men who only understand the language of power it is better to
be hated than despised. If America withdraws the Islamist fanatics will
despise America for it. They will take this as a sign that the West has
been defeated and that the world is theirs.
In this scenario Europe has more to lose than America. That makes it
all the more surprising that Europe's politicians refuse to support
America. They seem to be hoping that the Muslims, although they despise
the Europeans, will leave them alone so they can carry on paying the
taxes that the immigrants live off. I fear it will not turn out this
way. Moreover, the funds are running dry because the welfare state
hampers wealth creation.
I have ambivalent feelings about the war in Iraq, but once a country
has decided to go to war it has got to make sure it wins. Europe no
longer knows this, which also goes to explain why it does not want to
help America win the war and why, on a micro level, the situation in
France is deteriorating day by day. Last year the French Interior
Minister Nicolas Sarkozy decided to reestablish law and order in the
French immigrant suburbs which have become territorial pockets ruled by
thugs and Islamists. Instead of fighting this battle with all available
means the French authorities are waging a half-hearted war which has
led to the current debacle in France's no-go areas. Last year
"youths" developed a habit of setting parked (and empty) cars on
fire, but this year policemen and firefighters are being attacked in
paramilitary raids and crowded buses are being hijacked and arsoned.
Still the French Republic refuses to crack down on the Islamic
hooligans.
Yesterday Le Figaro reported that the police in Roubaix, a town in the
North of France, had been ordered not to search the house of a
suspected drug trafficker because he lived in a no-go part of town.
Police officers reported in an official but confidential document that
"the Prefect [the Governor] of the Nord Department [Province]
currently does not authorize police actions in that sector for reasons
concerning public order." The house of the suspected drug dealer was
situated in "a sensitive area." Here the thugs can do as they
please.
Following the publication of the confidential police report both the
French Interior Ministry and the Defence Ministry have denied its
content, saying that the police officers misunderstood the orders given
to them. The suspected drug trafficker was not arrested, they say,
because the police had to wait for reinforcements. Meanwhile the
authorities have announced an official investigation into the leaking
of the document. This attitude is a recipe for defeat.
Nov 2nd 2006 | 10:37 pm
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Re: A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
Do you spend your whole life scouring the web for news you like and then
post them ?
no wife ?
no GF ?
Naw you're too old !
No kids ?
Alone ?
Awwwwwww
Just like your old pal evleth, an empty life.
"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]. com...
> www.brusseslsjournal.com
> A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
>>From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 19:45
> I am in Los Angeles at the moment, and do not have the opportunity to
> write about events in Europe as much as I would like to. I will not be
> back in Brussels until 12 November. Over here in the U.S. all attention
> is focused on the upcoming elections. There is a possibility that the
> Democrats will become the majority in the House of Representatives and
> that Nancy Pelosi, the California Liberal, will become the next Speaker
> of the House. I was in West Hollywood on Halloween. A friend described
> this area as one third retiree, one third Russian and one third gay.
> Sounds a bit like Europe to me.
> The gays take every opportunity to dress up. Consequently Halloween has
> become a gay festival in LA. The first people I met when leaving the
> hotel were a group of men dressed up as ballerinas. This is Pelosi
> Land.
> Americans can already see what their country's future will be if they
> vote for Pelosi and her band. They only need to watch Europe. That is
> what America will be like 20 years from now if the Liberals succeed in
> turning the U.S. into a European-style welfare state. The latter is the
> cause of all Europe's problems. It has led to secularization, because
> people who are catered for from the cradle to the grave no longer need
> God. It has led to the immigration debacle, because Europe has
> attracted welfare immigrants who only come for the benefits and not to
> contribute to the host country's wealth creation. It has led to the
> loss of the citizens' ability to care for themselves, because they
> expect everything from the state.
> However, the current American elections are relevant for Europe, too.
> If they lead to the American withdrawal from Iraq, Europe will face a
> widespread intifada. The withdrawal will be perceived as a defeat of
> the West and the Muslim "youths" in Europe's cities will become
> even more arrogant. They utterly despise the Europeans, whom they
> perceive (not entirely without reason) to be men dressed up as
> ballerinas, and they hate America because it fights back. In a world
> ruled by men who only understand the language of power it is better to
> be hated than despised. If America withdraws the Islamist fanatics will
> despise America for it. They will take this as a sign that the West has
> been defeated and that the world is theirs.
> In this scenario Europe has more to lose than America. That makes it
> all the more surprising that Europe's politicians refuse to support
> America. They seem to be hoping that the Muslims, although they despise
> the Europeans, will leave them alone so they can carry on paying the
> taxes that the immigrants live off. I fear it will not turn out this
> way. Moreover, the funds are running dry because the welfare state
> hampers wealth creation.
> I have ambivalent feelings about the war in Iraq, but once a country
> has decided to go to war it has got to make sure it wins. Europe no
> longer knows this, which also goes to explain why it does not want to
> help America win the war and why, on a micro level, the situation in
> France is deteriorating day by day. Last year the French Interior
> Minister Nicolas Sarkozy decided to reestablish law and order in the
> French immigrant suburbs which have become territorial pockets ruled by
> thugs and Islamists. Instead of fighting this battle with all available
> means the French authorities are waging a half-hearted war which has
> led to the current debacle in France's no-go areas. Last year
> "youths" developed a habit of setting parked (and empty) cars on
> fire, but this year policemen and firefighters are being attacked in
> paramilitary raids and crowded buses are being hijacked and arsoned.
> Still the French Republic refuses to crack down on the Islamic
> hooligans.
> Yesterday Le Figaro reported that the police in Roubaix, a town in the
> North of France, had been ordered not to search the house of a
> suspected drug trafficker because he lived in a no-go part of town.
> Police officers reported in an official but confidential document that
> "the Prefect [the Governor] of the Nord Department [Province]
> currently does not authorize police actions in that sector for reasons
> concerning public order." The house of the suspected drug dealer was
> situated in "a sensitive area." Here the thugs can do as they
> please.
> Following the publication of the confidential police report both the
> French Interior Ministry and the Defence Ministry have denied its
> content, saying that the police officers misunderstood the orders given
> to them. The suspected drug trafficker was not arrested, they say,
> because the police had to wait for reinforcements. Meanwhile the
> authorities have announced an official investigation into the leaking
> of the document. This attitude is a recipe for defeat.
>
post them ?
no wife ?
no GF ?
Naw you're too old !
No kids ?
Alone ?
Awwwwwww
Just like your old pal evleth, an empty life.
"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]. com...
> www.brusseslsjournal.com
> A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
>>From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 19:45
> I am in Los Angeles at the moment, and do not have the opportunity to
> write about events in Europe as much as I would like to. I will not be
> back in Brussels until 12 November. Over here in the U.S. all attention
> is focused on the upcoming elections. There is a possibility that the
> Democrats will become the majority in the House of Representatives and
> that Nancy Pelosi, the California Liberal, will become the next Speaker
> of the House. I was in West Hollywood on Halloween. A friend described
> this area as one third retiree, one third Russian and one third gay.
> Sounds a bit like Europe to me.
> The gays take every opportunity to dress up. Consequently Halloween has
> become a gay festival in LA. The first people I met when leaving the
> hotel were a group of men dressed up as ballerinas. This is Pelosi
> Land.
> Americans can already see what their country's future will be if they
> vote for Pelosi and her band. They only need to watch Europe. That is
> what America will be like 20 years from now if the Liberals succeed in
> turning the U.S. into a European-style welfare state. The latter is the
> cause of all Europe's problems. It has led to secularization, because
> people who are catered for from the cradle to the grave no longer need
> God. It has led to the immigration debacle, because Europe has
> attracted welfare immigrants who only come for the benefits and not to
> contribute to the host country's wealth creation. It has led to the
> loss of the citizens' ability to care for themselves, because they
> expect everything from the state.
> However, the current American elections are relevant for Europe, too.
> If they lead to the American withdrawal from Iraq, Europe will face a
> widespread intifada. The withdrawal will be perceived as a defeat of
> the West and the Muslim "youths" in Europe's cities will become
> even more arrogant. They utterly despise the Europeans, whom they
> perceive (not entirely without reason) to be men dressed up as
> ballerinas, and they hate America because it fights back. In a world
> ruled by men who only understand the language of power it is better to
> be hated than despised. If America withdraws the Islamist fanatics will
> despise America for it. They will take this as a sign that the West has
> been defeated and that the world is theirs.
> In this scenario Europe has more to lose than America. That makes it
> all the more surprising that Europe's politicians refuse to support
> America. They seem to be hoping that the Muslims, although they despise
> the Europeans, will leave them alone so they can carry on paying the
> taxes that the immigrants live off. I fear it will not turn out this
> way. Moreover, the funds are running dry because the welfare state
> hampers wealth creation.
> I have ambivalent feelings about the war in Iraq, but once a country
> has decided to go to war it has got to make sure it wins. Europe no
> longer knows this, which also goes to explain why it does not want to
> help America win the war and why, on a micro level, the situation in
> France is deteriorating day by day. Last year the French Interior
> Minister Nicolas Sarkozy decided to reestablish law and order in the
> French immigrant suburbs which have become territorial pockets ruled by
> thugs and Islamists. Instead of fighting this battle with all available
> means the French authorities are waging a half-hearted war which has
> led to the current debacle in France's no-go areas. Last year
> "youths" developed a habit of setting parked (and empty) cars on
> fire, but this year policemen and firefighters are being attacked in
> paramilitary raids and crowded buses are being hijacked and arsoned.
> Still the French Republic refuses to crack down on the Islamic
> hooligans.
> Yesterday Le Figaro reported that the police in Roubaix, a town in the
> North of France, had been ordered not to search the house of a
> suspected drug trafficker because he lived in a no-go part of town.
> Police officers reported in an official but confidential document that
> "the Prefect [the Governor] of the Nord Department [Province]
> currently does not authorize police actions in that sector for reasons
> concerning public order." The house of the suspected drug dealer was
> situated in "a sensitive area." Here the thugs can do as they
> please.
> Following the publication of the confidential police report both the
> French Interior Ministry and the Defence Ministry have denied its
> content, saying that the police officers misunderstood the orders given
> to them. The suspected drug trafficker was not arrested, they say,
> because the police had to wait for reinforcements. Meanwhile the
> authorities have announced an official investigation into the leaking
> of the document. This attitude is a recipe for defeat.
>
Nov 2nd 2006 | 10:37 pm
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Re: A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
On 3 Nov 2006 03:18:43 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
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... A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
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... >From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 19:45
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... I am in Los Angeles at the moment, and do not have the opportunity to
... write about events in Europe as much as I would like to.
There IS a god... and it has finally shown some mercy...!
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... A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
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... >From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 19:45
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... I am in Los Angeles at the moment, and do not have the opportunity to
... write about events in Europe as much as I would like to.
There IS a god... and it has finally shown some mercy...!
Nov 2nd 2006 | 10:51 pm
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Re: A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
Runge wrote:
< Do you spend your whole life scouring the web for news you like and
then
post them ?
Runge>
Nope. Being an early riser, just scan a few blogs or an hour or so in
the am, paste what I like and unlike you usenet addicts, I then get on
with my life for the rest of the day.
< no wife ?
Have had a wife since 1957. Sometimes I feel like I was born married.
< no GF ?
Runge>
Can't translate your hieroglyphics.
<Naw you're too old !
Runge>
75 next birthday. Think you'll ever see the golden years?
< No kids ?
Alone ?
Runge>
3 grown kids, girl and 2 boys born in that order. 11 grandchildren from
a 12" infant to a 6'6" college student. See them a couple times a year,
at least once a year, all together. We talk weekly by phone email.
You got it all wrong, sport.
< Do you spend your whole life scouring the web for news you like and
then
post them ?
Runge>
Nope. Being an early riser, just scan a few blogs or an hour or so in
the am, paste what I like and unlike you usenet addicts, I then get on
with my life for the rest of the day.
< no wife ?
Have had a wife since 1957. Sometimes I feel like I was born married.
< no GF ?
Runge>
Can't translate your hieroglyphics.
<Naw you're too old !
Runge>
75 next birthday. Think you'll ever see the golden years?
< No kids ?
Alone ?
Runge>
3 grown kids, girl and 2 boys born in that order. 11 grandchildren from
a 12" infant to a 6'6" college student. See them a couple times a year,
at least once a year, all together. We talk weekly by phone email.
You got it all wrong, sport.
Nov 2nd 2006 | 11:37 pm
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Re: A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
Nope I haven't.
All your kids are grown, your wife is tired of you, You're a very old man
and lots of time to spare.
I guess you're like morrow, the wave the flaggies type and of course posting
the name of your candidate on your front lawn for all to know.
Evleth and you are 2 look alikes and this so called travel group is full of
your types.
No travel, just blahblah's to make you feel important.
Sadly, you are not.
OK, go back to your great activities, only age will make your fingers unable
to type more.
"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]. com...
> Runge wrote:
> < Do you spend your whole life scouring the web for news you like and
> then
> post them ?
> Runge>
> Nope. Being an early riser, just scan a few blogs or an hour or so in
> the am, paste what I like and unlike you usenet addicts, I then get on
> with my life for the rest of the day.
> < no wife ?
> Have had a wife since 1957. Sometimes I feel like I was born married.
> < no GF ?
> Runge>
> Can't translate your hieroglyphics.
> <Naw you're too old !
> Runge>
> 75 next birthday. Think you'll ever see the golden years?
> < No kids ?
> Alone ?
> Runge>
> 3 grown kids, girl and 2 boys born in that order. 11 grandchildren from
> a 12" infant to a 6'6" college student. See them a couple times a year,
> at least once a year, all together. We talk weekly by phone email.
> You got it all wrong, sport.
>
All your kids are grown, your wife is tired of you, You're a very old man
and lots of time to spare.
I guess you're like morrow, the wave the flaggies type and of course posting
the name of your candidate on your front lawn for all to know.
Evleth and you are 2 look alikes and this so called travel group is full of
your types.
No travel, just blahblah's to make you feel important.
Sadly, you are not.
OK, go back to your great activities, only age will make your fingers unable
to type more.
"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]. com...
> Runge wrote:
> < Do you spend your whole life scouring the web for news you like and
> then
> post them ?
> Runge>
> Nope. Being an early riser, just scan a few blogs or an hour or so in
> the am, paste what I like and unlike you usenet addicts, I then get on
> with my life for the rest of the day.
> < no wife ?
> Have had a wife since 1957. Sometimes I feel like I was born married.
> < no GF ?
> Runge>
> Can't translate your hieroglyphics.
> <Naw you're too old !
> Runge>
> 75 next birthday. Think you'll ever see the golden years?
> < No kids ?
> Alone ?
> Runge>
> 3 grown kids, girl and 2 boys born in that order. 11 grandchildren from
> a 12" infant to a 6'6" college student. See them a couple times a year,
> at least once a year, all together. We talk weekly by phone email.
> You got it all wrong, sport.
>
Nov 3rd 2006 | 4:12 am
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Re: A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> www.brusseslsjournal.com
<snip>
Friday, Oct. 20, 2006
David Kuo, the former deputy-director of the Bush White House's Office
of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, recently published a book,
Tempting Faith. The book's most controversial claim is that members of
the Bush administration have been privately trashing some of the very
Religious Right leaders who helped put them in power.
For example, Kuo told "60 Minutes" that he had heard people in the
White House political affairs office, Karl Rove's operation, refer to
Pat Robertson as "insane," call Jerry Falwell "ridiculous," and say
that James Dobson "had to be controlled."
In this column, I'll consider claims that Kuo must have a hidden
political agenda, analyze the implication of the badmouthing of the
religious right by Rove's team, and consider the Administration's
responses to Kuo.
What Is David Kuo's Hidden Political Agenda -- If He Has One?
First, let's consider the question of what Kuo's hidden agenda, if any,
might be.
It's a question that's being asked by countless Republicans who want to
know what prompted a former White House insider (in an administration
that is highly intolerant of dissent, and adverse to giving outsiders
an inside look) to write (and speak out) about the hypocrisy of Bush's
political operatives -- especially just before the midterm election? In
theory, Kuo, a committed Christian and a Republican, ought to seek to
keep the Republicans in Congress, not to torpedo their chances come
November.
When CBS News asked Kuo about his motives, he said he had been greatly
disappointed with what he saw as the gap, recurring time and again,
between what Bush promised his Evangelical Christian supporters and
what he actually delivered. This disparity, Kuo said, had "been gnawing
at both him and his wife since 2003, when [Kuo] learned he had a
malignant brain tumor, and left politics for good."
When asked by "60 Minutes" about whether he anticipated his colleagues
would attack him, Kuo responded, "Of course they will. I can hear the
attacks, right? 'Oh, he's really a liberal.' or, 'Oh, maybe that brain
tumor really messed up his head.' Or, you know, 'He's an idealist.'"
Regardless, Kuo says, "I'm fine with it."
There's really no reason, then, to think Kuo has any hidden political
agenda. He's admitted his disappointment in the Bush Administration.
And he's sought out the best forum possible -- a book where he can set
forth the details of how he believes Bush and his aides are politically
manipulating Christians -- at the best time, to call attention to his
inside knowledge to those who share his beliefs. His agenda seems to be
the simple one he claims: To convey to his fellow Christians how much
he feels the Bush White House has let them down.
Kuo notes that -- unlike the Bush White House, and the Republican
National Committee -- he does not believe that Jesus should be reduced
"to some precinct captain, to some get-out-the-vote guy." But that,
however, Kuo says, is exactly the Republicans' belief: "This message
that has been sent out to Christians for a long time now: that Jesus
came primarily for a political agenda, and recently primarily a
right-wing political agenda -- as if this culture war is a war for God.
And it's not a war for God, it's a war for politics. And that's a huge
difference," says Kuo.
As these revelations by David Kuo were surfacing, I was exchanging
emails with Bob Altemeyer, a social scientist who brings four decades
of research to bear on understanding the behavior both of the Bush
White House, as well as with Evangelicals who are being manipulated by
Bush and his aides. Altemeyer was too unique a source to not probe him
about these activities.
The Behavior Kuo Has Reported In the White House Is Typical of
Authoritarians
Altemeyer is a Yale-trained social psychologist who teaches and pursues
his research at the University of Manitoba. Altemeyer has studied
authoritarianism for the past 40 years, and is considered by his peers
to be a leading authority on the subject, not to mention a cutting-edge
researcher in the field.
Those who have read my latest book, Conservatives Without Conscience,
will be familiar with his work, and the fact that I have been
encouraging him to write about his research for the general reader. (I
also discussed the theory of authoritarian leadership, in conjunction
with the Bush Administration, in a prior column.) Happily, Altemeyer
has recently completed a book-length work, The Authoritarians, which
provides a non-technical account of his findings, suitable for the
general reader.
Based on my exchanges with Altemeyer, I have assembled the following Q
& A:
Q: The Bush White House gave religious leaders smiles and hugs up
front, but then called them "nuts," "ridiculous," "goofy," "out of
control," and so on behind their backs. Does this surprise you?
A: No, not at all. In fact, I wrote about just such behavior in my
manuscript for The Authoritarians. So it must be true.
Q: You predicted this very thing would happen?
A: Well, no. But one can reasonably predict that Bush Administration
officials will have a low opinion of the people they so successfully
manipulated into supporting them. Adolf Hitler -- a worst-case but
textbook example -- showed the disdain of all authoritarian leaders for
their supporters when he said, "What good fortune for those in power
that people do not think."
Q: You're not saying the Bush administration is full of Nazis, so I am
not sure I get the point?
A: I'm saying, as you have discovered, that it has a lot of people with
authoritarian personalities. Let me explain for your readers, or those
who have not read your new book. There are two kinds of authoritarians,
whom researchers can identify by their answers to certain personality
tests. There are people who become leaders in authoritarian movements,
and there are their followers. The leaders have stronger drives for
personal power and they are also pretty amoral. Compared with most
folks, they admit, when answering surveys anonymously, that
manipulating others, exploiting the gullible, intimidating, cheating,
and being a hypocrite are all justified if they get you what you want.
They say one of the best skills a person can develop is the ability to
look someone straight in the eye and lie convincingly. They say the
world is full of suckers who deserve to be "taken" because they are so
stupid. All in all it sounds like the game plan for how Bush won Ohio
in the last election.
Q: Democrats, of course, do these things too. Republicans don't have a
monopoly on lying, cheating, and playing people for suckers.
A: Good point. No, they certainly don't. These power-hungry dominators
will join anything and say they believe in anything to get what they
want. But studies find that conservative politicians are much more
likely to have this kind of personality than liberals are. Why? Because
they usually have conservative economic and political beliefs. But more
importantly, they head for the right because that's where the great
majority of
authoritarian followers are concentrated, looking for a leader.
Q: Why on the right?
A: The followers have a great desire to submit to established
authority. They're also highly conventional, and they have a lot of
aggression in them, which studies show comes primarily from being
fearful. One of the classic reactions to fear is to fight, and the
followers will attack when their authorities tell them to. They love to
feel part of a "great movement" in solidarity with others on the move.
They are very zealous. They usually are also highly religious, in a
fundamentalist sense at least, and studies show they lead the league in
self-righteousness. As we have discussed in the past, while there may
be such people on the left, they are pretty rare compared with the
number we find on the right.
Q: Why do these authoritarians follow amoral, hypocritical, deceitful
liars?
A: Because of one of their great vulnerabilities, which the
manipulative dominators exploit. Authoritarian followers have basically
copied the ideas of the authorities in their lives. They haven't
thought about things to any great degree and then decided what they
believe in. To maintain their beliefs in a world of challenging
discoveries and conflicting beliefs, they associate as much as possible
with others who agree with them. They travel in small circles, getting
booster shots of faith from one another. They rely upon social support,
rather than evidence or logic, to keep on believing what in many cases
they've simply memorized. But this makes them quite vulnerable to
manipulators who tell them what they want to hear. Experiments show
that they're so glad to find another person who will tell them that
they are right, that they don't consider that the newcomer might have
ulterior motives. All you have to do to get into their "in-group" is
tell them they are right, even if you don't believe a word of it. Since
the in-group is made up of followers clinging to each other and looking
for a leader, it's pretty easy for an unscrupulous person to take
over-- provided he can outmaneuver the other dominators trying the same
thing.
Q: So the followers are "suckers" -- so to speak?
A: Well, faith-healers and various enterprising evangelists have been
playing them for suckers for a long time. Lately political strategists
have seen how rich the takings are, and jumped in. They mobilized the
Religious Right, which has become the most potent force in American
politics. Its rank and file is very organized, very energetic, very
devoted, and earnestly does what it is told by its authoritarian
leaders.
Q: You're saying then that, ironically, if the Religious Right has its
way, the White House and Congress will be filled with amoral people.
A: Yes, I am, although of course there would be exceptions. And I'd say
the proof is already right in front of us. When did we ever have a
president who insisted on having the "right" to torture people, or a
Congress that voted for it? How often have we had an administration
deciding it could suspend habeas corpus and other constitutional
guarantees, and Congress going along? And you can see this amorality on
the individual level. Look at the members of the House of
Representatives who have been convicted of crimes lately. Or look at
the list of the 20 most corrupt members of the House compiled by the
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics. Every one of these lawmakers
got high marks for his voting record from the James Dobson/Tony Perkins
Family Research Council. That's not a coincidence. There's this
remarkable, actually weird but understandable, connection between being
corrupt and being elected by the Religious Right. The crooks head for
the Religious Right. The gullible rank and file don't realize this. But
they send far more than their fair share of bribe-taking, influence
peddling, money laundering, lying scoundrels to executive mansions and
legislatures election after election."
Q: Do you think that may change?
A: Maybe it will. Maybe books such as Mr. Kuo's will turn on the
lights. But who comprises the bulk of that third of the American
population who still think President Bush is doing a good job? We know
from studies that authoritarian followers are incredibly dogmatic and
quite capable of ignoring facts they don't like. So maybe someone can
fool some of the people all of the time.
Reactions of the Authoritarians In the Bush White House To Kuo's
Disclosures
Q: Based on our prior discussions, and your extensive research, I have
a multi-part question: the Religious Right, and the various evangelical
movements, are highly authoritarian. So (1) how are they likely to
respond to being called nuts, insane, etc. by people in the White House
they were working to help? And (2) what will they do to David Kuo --
thank him, or join the White House effort to discredit him?
A: Most authoritarian followers are not likely to find out that people
in the White House talk about their religious leaders this way, unless
the particular leaders make a big deal out of it. They're not likely to
read Kuo's book, nor follow the news relating to his revelations. If
they saw the segment on "60 Minutes," they might be troubled; but when
followers get troubled, they don't typically investigate further, but
instead look for reassurance from their authorities. It comes from
being a follower.
The answer to the second question follows pretty directly. They're not
going to thank David Kuo for his revelations, if they do hear about
them. These are unpleasant revelations, and besides, Kuo has broken one
of the basic norms of an authoritarian movement: group solidarity. As
well, authoritarian followers are highly ethnocentric, and they would
handle Kuo the same way they handled Tom DeLay, "Duke" Cunningham, Bob
Ney, Thomas Foley, and so on. They will simply chip them off from their
in-group: "They weren't really Us." If that seems impossible to you,
remember that authoritarian followers are still likely to believe
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, and helped organize the 9/11
attacks.
Q: Finally, explain why your answers are not your opinions, but rather
conclusions you draw from empirical research?
A: It's probably more accurate to say my answers are based on
scientific studies that dealt with these issues in general. But yes, I
and others have conducted many, many surveys and run lots of
experiments to see how authoritarian leaders and authoritarian
followers think and act in various situations. There really is a lot of
agreement in all these studies, and they lead to some scary insights.
What is coming to light in books such as Mr. Kuo's, and Mr. Woodward's
State of Denial, and especially in your book, Conservatives Without
Conscience, is a documentation of how relevant and "on the mark" these
studies are. If the Democrats take control of the House after November,
we're probably going to have a lot more confirmations from the
investigations that will be undertaken.
------
John W. Dean, a FindLaw columnist, is a former counsel to the president.
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> www.brusseslsjournal.com
<snip>
Friday, Oct. 20, 2006
David Kuo, the former deputy-director of the Bush White House's Office
of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, recently published a book,
Tempting Faith. The book's most controversial claim is that members of
the Bush administration have been privately trashing some of the very
Religious Right leaders who helped put them in power.
For example, Kuo told "60 Minutes" that he had heard people in the
White House political affairs office, Karl Rove's operation, refer to
Pat Robertson as "insane," call Jerry Falwell "ridiculous," and say
that James Dobson "had to be controlled."
In this column, I'll consider claims that Kuo must have a hidden
political agenda, analyze the implication of the badmouthing of the
religious right by Rove's team, and consider the Administration's
responses to Kuo.
What Is David Kuo's Hidden Political Agenda -- If He Has One?
First, let's consider the question of what Kuo's hidden agenda, if any,
might be.
It's a question that's being asked by countless Republicans who want to
know what prompted a former White House insider (in an administration
that is highly intolerant of dissent, and adverse to giving outsiders
an inside look) to write (and speak out) about the hypocrisy of Bush's
political operatives -- especially just before the midterm election? In
theory, Kuo, a committed Christian and a Republican, ought to seek to
keep the Republicans in Congress, not to torpedo their chances come
November.
When CBS News asked Kuo about his motives, he said he had been greatly
disappointed with what he saw as the gap, recurring time and again,
between what Bush promised his Evangelical Christian supporters and
what he actually delivered. This disparity, Kuo said, had "been gnawing
at both him and his wife since 2003, when [Kuo] learned he had a
malignant brain tumor, and left politics for good."
When asked by "60 Minutes" about whether he anticipated his colleagues
would attack him, Kuo responded, "Of course they will. I can hear the
attacks, right? 'Oh, he's really a liberal.' or, 'Oh, maybe that brain
tumor really messed up his head.' Or, you know, 'He's an idealist.'"
Regardless, Kuo says, "I'm fine with it."
There's really no reason, then, to think Kuo has any hidden political
agenda. He's admitted his disappointment in the Bush Administration.
And he's sought out the best forum possible -- a book where he can set
forth the details of how he believes Bush and his aides are politically
manipulating Christians -- at the best time, to call attention to his
inside knowledge to those who share his beliefs. His agenda seems to be
the simple one he claims: To convey to his fellow Christians how much
he feels the Bush White House has let them down.
Kuo notes that -- unlike the Bush White House, and the Republican
National Committee -- he does not believe that Jesus should be reduced
"to some precinct captain, to some get-out-the-vote guy." But that,
however, Kuo says, is exactly the Republicans' belief: "This message
that has been sent out to Christians for a long time now: that Jesus
came primarily for a political agenda, and recently primarily a
right-wing political agenda -- as if this culture war is a war for God.
And it's not a war for God, it's a war for politics. And that's a huge
difference," says Kuo.
As these revelations by David Kuo were surfacing, I was exchanging
emails with Bob Altemeyer, a social scientist who brings four decades
of research to bear on understanding the behavior both of the Bush
White House, as well as with Evangelicals who are being manipulated by
Bush and his aides. Altemeyer was too unique a source to not probe him
about these activities.
The Behavior Kuo Has Reported In the White House Is Typical of
Authoritarians
Altemeyer is a Yale-trained social psychologist who teaches and pursues
his research at the University of Manitoba. Altemeyer has studied
authoritarianism for the past 40 years, and is considered by his peers
to be a leading authority on the subject, not to mention a cutting-edge
researcher in the field.
Those who have read my latest book, Conservatives Without Conscience,
will be familiar with his work, and the fact that I have been
encouraging him to write about his research for the general reader. (I
also discussed the theory of authoritarian leadership, in conjunction
with the Bush Administration, in a prior column.) Happily, Altemeyer
has recently completed a book-length work, The Authoritarians, which
provides a non-technical account of his findings, suitable for the
general reader.
Based on my exchanges with Altemeyer, I have assembled the following Q
& A:
Q: The Bush White House gave religious leaders smiles and hugs up
front, but then called them "nuts," "ridiculous," "goofy," "out of
control," and so on behind their backs. Does this surprise you?
A: No, not at all. In fact, I wrote about just such behavior in my
manuscript for The Authoritarians. So it must be true.
Q: You predicted this very thing would happen?
A: Well, no. But one can reasonably predict that Bush Administration
officials will have a low opinion of the people they so successfully
manipulated into supporting them. Adolf Hitler -- a worst-case but
textbook example -- showed the disdain of all authoritarian leaders for
their supporters when he said, "What good fortune for those in power
that people do not think."
Q: You're not saying the Bush administration is full of Nazis, so I am
not sure I get the point?
A: I'm saying, as you have discovered, that it has a lot of people with
authoritarian personalities. Let me explain for your readers, or those
who have not read your new book. There are two kinds of authoritarians,
whom researchers can identify by their answers to certain personality
tests. There are people who become leaders in authoritarian movements,
and there are their followers. The leaders have stronger drives for
personal power and they are also pretty amoral. Compared with most
folks, they admit, when answering surveys anonymously, that
manipulating others, exploiting the gullible, intimidating, cheating,
and being a hypocrite are all justified if they get you what you want.
They say one of the best skills a person can develop is the ability to
look someone straight in the eye and lie convincingly. They say the
world is full of suckers who deserve to be "taken" because they are so
stupid. All in all it sounds like the game plan for how Bush won Ohio
in the last election.
Q: Democrats, of course, do these things too. Republicans don't have a
monopoly on lying, cheating, and playing people for suckers.
A: Good point. No, they certainly don't. These power-hungry dominators
will join anything and say they believe in anything to get what they
want. But studies find that conservative politicians are much more
likely to have this kind of personality than liberals are. Why? Because
they usually have conservative economic and political beliefs. But more
importantly, they head for the right because that's where the great
majority of
authoritarian followers are concentrated, looking for a leader.
Q: Why on the right?
A: The followers have a great desire to submit to established
authority. They're also highly conventional, and they have a lot of
aggression in them, which studies show comes primarily from being
fearful. One of the classic reactions to fear is to fight, and the
followers will attack when their authorities tell them to. They love to
feel part of a "great movement" in solidarity with others on the move.
They are very zealous. They usually are also highly religious, in a
fundamentalist sense at least, and studies show they lead the league in
self-righteousness. As we have discussed in the past, while there may
be such people on the left, they are pretty rare compared with the
number we find on the right.
Q: Why do these authoritarians follow amoral, hypocritical, deceitful
liars?
A: Because of one of their great vulnerabilities, which the
manipulative dominators exploit. Authoritarian followers have basically
copied the ideas of the authorities in their lives. They haven't
thought about things to any great degree and then decided what they
believe in. To maintain their beliefs in a world of challenging
discoveries and conflicting beliefs, they associate as much as possible
with others who agree with them. They travel in small circles, getting
booster shots of faith from one another. They rely upon social support,
rather than evidence or logic, to keep on believing what in many cases
they've simply memorized. But this makes them quite vulnerable to
manipulators who tell them what they want to hear. Experiments show
that they're so glad to find another person who will tell them that
they are right, that they don't consider that the newcomer might have
ulterior motives. All you have to do to get into their "in-group" is
tell them they are right, even if you don't believe a word of it. Since
the in-group is made up of followers clinging to each other and looking
for a leader, it's pretty easy for an unscrupulous person to take
over-- provided he can outmaneuver the other dominators trying the same
thing.
Q: So the followers are "suckers" -- so to speak?
A: Well, faith-healers and various enterprising evangelists have been
playing them for suckers for a long time. Lately political strategists
have seen how rich the takings are, and jumped in. They mobilized the
Religious Right, which has become the most potent force in American
politics. Its rank and file is very organized, very energetic, very
devoted, and earnestly does what it is told by its authoritarian
leaders.
Q: You're saying then that, ironically, if the Religious Right has its
way, the White House and Congress will be filled with amoral people.
A: Yes, I am, although of course there would be exceptions. And I'd say
the proof is already right in front of us. When did we ever have a
president who insisted on having the "right" to torture people, or a
Congress that voted for it? How often have we had an administration
deciding it could suspend habeas corpus and other constitutional
guarantees, and Congress going along? And you can see this amorality on
the individual level. Look at the members of the House of
Representatives who have been convicted of crimes lately. Or look at
the list of the 20 most corrupt members of the House compiled by the
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics. Every one of these lawmakers
got high marks for his voting record from the James Dobson/Tony Perkins
Family Research Council. That's not a coincidence. There's this
remarkable, actually weird but understandable, connection between being
corrupt and being elected by the Religious Right. The crooks head for
the Religious Right. The gullible rank and file don't realize this. But
they send far more than their fair share of bribe-taking, influence
peddling, money laundering, lying scoundrels to executive mansions and
legislatures election after election."
Q: Do you think that may change?
A: Maybe it will. Maybe books such as Mr. Kuo's will turn on the
lights. But who comprises the bulk of that third of the American
population who still think President Bush is doing a good job? We know
from studies that authoritarian followers are incredibly dogmatic and
quite capable of ignoring facts they don't like. So maybe someone can
fool some of the people all of the time.
Reactions of the Authoritarians In the Bush White House To Kuo's
Disclosures
Q: Based on our prior discussions, and your extensive research, I have
a multi-part question: the Religious Right, and the various evangelical
movements, are highly authoritarian. So (1) how are they likely to
respond to being called nuts, insane, etc. by people in the White House
they were working to help? And (2) what will they do to David Kuo --
thank him, or join the White House effort to discredit him?
A: Most authoritarian followers are not likely to find out that people
in the White House talk about their religious leaders this way, unless
the particular leaders make a big deal out of it. They're not likely to
read Kuo's book, nor follow the news relating to his revelations. If
they saw the segment on "60 Minutes," they might be troubled; but when
followers get troubled, they don't typically investigate further, but
instead look for reassurance from their authorities. It comes from
being a follower.
The answer to the second question follows pretty directly. They're not
going to thank David Kuo for his revelations, if they do hear about
them. These are unpleasant revelations, and besides, Kuo has broken one
of the basic norms of an authoritarian movement: group solidarity. As
well, authoritarian followers are highly ethnocentric, and they would
handle Kuo the same way they handled Tom DeLay, "Duke" Cunningham, Bob
Ney, Thomas Foley, and so on. They will simply chip them off from their
in-group: "They weren't really Us." If that seems impossible to you,
remember that authoritarian followers are still likely to believe
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, and helped organize the 9/11
attacks.
Q: Finally, explain why your answers are not your opinions, but rather
conclusions you draw from empirical research?
A: It's probably more accurate to say my answers are based on
scientific studies that dealt with these issues in general. But yes, I
and others have conducted many, many surveys and run lots of
experiments to see how authoritarian leaders and authoritarian
followers think and act in various situations. There really is a lot of
agreement in all these studies, and they lead to some scary insights.
What is coming to light in books such as Mr. Kuo's, and Mr. Woodward's
State of Denial, and especially in your book, Conservatives Without
Conscience, is a documentation of how relevant and "on the mark" these
studies are. If the Democrats take control of the House after November,
we're probably going to have a lot more confirmations from the
investigations that will be undertaken.
------
John W. Dean, a FindLaw columnist, is a former counsel to the president.
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In article <[email protected] .com>,
[email protected] says...
>
>
> 3 grown kids, girl and 2 boys born in that order. 11 grandchildren from
> a 12" infant to a 6'6" college student. See them a couple times a year,
> at least once a year, all together. We talk weekly by phone email.
It's a strong endorsement of evolution that even as profoundly stupid a person
as you can rely on the ancestral hindbrain to recognise a pussy when its
preotective legs are spread. Congratulations on the crowning intellectual
achievement of your life, peabrain.
>
> You got it all wrong, sport.
Yes, peabrain, it's the _front_ bum that does the job. Thank you for sharing
that tender moment from your youth, most of us prefer to keep the honeymoon a
private matter. It's truly inspiring to know that even you can eventually be
taught to differentiate an arsehole from a ****.
>
>
[email protected] says...
>
>
> 3 grown kids, girl and 2 boys born in that order. 11 grandchildren from
> a 12" infant to a 6'6" college student. See them a couple times a year,
> at least once a year, all together. We talk weekly by phone email.
It's a strong endorsement of evolution that even as profoundly stupid a person
as you can rely on the ancestral hindbrain to recognise a pussy when its
preotective legs are spread. Congratulations on the crowning intellectual
achievement of your life, peabrain.
>
> You got it all wrong, sport.
Yes, peabrain, it's the _front_ bum that does the job. Thank you for sharing
that tender moment from your youth, most of us prefer to keep the honeymoon a
private matter. It's truly inspiring to know that even you can eventually be
taught to differentiate an arsehole from a ****.
>
>
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Re: A Recipe for Defeat: Martin is Pelosi's America
and many others
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>>I guess you know you can have your account pulled for cross posting
>>irrelevant crap to so many newsgroups?
> Is that what happened to you, "Martin"?
>
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> Is that what happened to you, "Martin"?
>
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>>news:[email protected] groups.com...
>>> www.brusseslsjournal.com
>><snip>
>I guess you know you can have your account pulled for cross posting
>irrelevant crap to so many newsgroups?
Is that what happened to you, "Martin"?
>On 3 Nov 2006 09:12:06 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
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>irrelevant crap to so many newsgroups?
Is that what happened to you, "Martin"?
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Re: A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
< It's a strong endorsement of evolution that even as profoundly stupid
a person
as you can rely on the ancestral hindbrain to recognise a pussy when
its
preotective legs are spread. Congratulations on the crowning
intellectual
achievement of your life, peabrain.
Yes, peabrain, it's the _front_ bum that does the job. Thank you for
sharing
that tender moment from your youth, most of us prefer to keep the
honeymoon a
private matter. It's truly inspiring to know that even you can
eventually be
taught to differentiate an arsehole from a ****.
Excador>
Superb elocution
Thanks for offering that poetic offering.
Your use of iambic pentameters in your poetry are unusually elegant but
one would expect that from the upper crust of Australian intellect and
the upper crust of Australian economic class we all know you inhabit.
a person
as you can rely on the ancestral hindbrain to recognise a pussy when
its
preotective legs are spread. Congratulations on the crowning
intellectual
achievement of your life, peabrain.
Yes, peabrain, it's the _front_ bum that does the job. Thank you for
sharing
that tender moment from your youth, most of us prefer to keep the
honeymoon a
private matter. It's truly inspiring to know that even you can
eventually be
taught to differentiate an arsehole from a ****.
Excador>
Superb elocution
Thanks for offering that poetic offering.
Your use of iambic pentameters in your poetry are unusually elegant but
one would expect that from the upper crust of Australian intellect and
the upper crust of Australian economic class we all know you inhabit.
Nov 3rd 2006 | 10:49 am
#14
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Re: A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> www.brusseslsjournal.com
> A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
> >From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 19:45
> I am in Los Angeles at the moment, and do not have the opportunity to
> write about events in Europe as much as I would like to. I will not be
> back in Brussels until 12 November. Over here in the U.S. all attention
> is focused on the upcoming elections. There is a possibility that the
> Democrats will become the majority in the House of Representatives and
> that Nancy Pelosi, the California Liberal, will become the next Speaker
> of the House. I was in West Hollywood on Halloween. A friend described
> this area as one third retiree, one third Russian and one third gay.
> Sounds a bit like Europe to me.
They are not Russians, they are jew immigrants from Russia who, when
asked
why they chose to live in West L.A. said, "we feel comfortrable
among them".
> The gays take every opportunity to dress up. Consequently Halloween has
> become a gay festival in LA. The first people I met when leaving the
> hotel were a group of men dressed up as ballerinas. This is Pelosi
> Land.
> Americans can already see what their country's future will be if they
> vote for Pelosi and her band. They only need to watch Europe. That is
> what America will be like 20 years from now if the Liberals succeed in
> turning the U.S. into a European-style welfare state. The latter is the
> cause of all Europe's problems. It has led to secularization, because
> people who are catered for from the cradle to the grave no longer need
> God. It has led to the immigration debacle, because Europe has
> attracted welfare immigrants who only come for the benefits and not to
> contribute to the host country's wealth creation. It has led to the
> loss of the citizens' ability to care for themselves, because they
> expect everything from the state.
> However, the current American elections are relevant for Europe, too.
> If they lead to the American withdrawal from Iraq, Europe will face a
> widespread intifada. The withdrawal will be perceived as a defeat of
> the West and the Muslim "youths" in Europe's cities will become
> even more arrogant. They utterly despise the Europeans, whom they
> perceive (not entirely without reason) to be men dressed up as
> ballerinas, and they hate America because it fights back. In a world
> ruled by men who only understand the language of power it is better to
> be hated than despised. If America withdraws the Islamist fanatics will
> despise America for it. They will take this as a sign that the West has
> been defeated and that the world is theirs.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 or any other Islamic terrorism.
None of
those who took part in 9-11 were Iraqis, in fact they were all Saudis
which
leads one to ask why Bush did not invade Saudi Arabia.
> In this scenario Europe has more to lose than America. That makes it
> all the more surprising that Europe's politicians refuse to support
> America. They seem to be hoping that the Muslims, although they despise
> the Europeans, will leave them alone so they can carry on paying the
> taxes that the immigrants live off. I fear it will not turn out this
> way. Moreover, the funds are running dry because the welfare state
> hampers wealth creation.
> I have ambivalent feelings about the war in Iraq, but once a country
> has decided to go to war it has got to make sure it wins. Europe no
> longer knows this, which also goes to explain why it does not want to
> help America win the war and why, on a micro level, the situation in
> France is deteriorating day by day. Last year the French Interior
> Minister Nicolas Sarkozy decided to reestablish law and order in the
> French immigrant suburbs which have become territorial pockets ruled by
> thugs and Islamists. Instead of fighting this battle with all available
> means the French authorities are waging a half-hearted war which has
> led to the current debacle in France's no-go areas. Last year
> "youths" developed a habit of setting parked (and empty) cars on
> fire, but this year policemen and firefighters are being attacked in
> paramilitary raids and crowded buses are being hijacked and arsoned.
> Still the French Republic refuses to crack down on the Islamic
> hooligans.
Those non-white immigrants should never have been allowed to enter
France
in the 1st. place. These coloureds from the 3rd world wanted to be
free of
white rule, so what are they doing in so many European counties?
Australia
had a "whites only" policy for years knowing the problems they had
with their
own Abos.
> Yesterday Le Figaro reported that the police in Roubaix, a town in the
> North of France, had been ordered not to search the house of a
> suspected drug trafficker because he lived in a no-go part of town.
> Police officers reported in an official but confidential document that
> "the Prefect [the Governor] of the Nord Department [Province]
> currently does not authorize police actions in that sector for reasons
> concerning public order." The house of the suspected drug dealer was
> situated in "a sensitive area." Here the thugs can do as they
> please.
> Following the publication of the confidential police report both the
> French Interior Ministry and the Defence Ministry have denied its
> content, saying that the police officers misunderstood the orders given
> to them. The suspected drug trafficker was not arrested, they say,
> because the police had to wait for reinforcements. Meanwhile the
> authorities have announced an official investigation into the leaking
> of the document. This attitude is a recipe for defeat.
Europeans need to elect politicians with the guts to deport the lot
of them.
They have done nothing for the benefit of the nations they now
infest and
need to be returned to the 3rd world cesspits they fled from. They
are *not*
refugees, they are mostly criminals as the crime statistics have
proven time
and time again.
> www.brusseslsjournal.com
> A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
> >From the desk of Paul Belien on Thu, 2006-11-02 19:45
> I am in Los Angeles at the moment, and do not have the opportunity to
> write about events in Europe as much as I would like to. I will not be
> back in Brussels until 12 November. Over here in the U.S. all attention
> is focused on the upcoming elections. There is a possibility that the
> Democrats will become the majority in the House of Representatives and
> that Nancy Pelosi, the California Liberal, will become the next Speaker
> of the House. I was in West Hollywood on Halloween. A friend described
> this area as one third retiree, one third Russian and one third gay.
> Sounds a bit like Europe to me.
They are not Russians, they are jew immigrants from Russia who, when
asked
why they chose to live in West L.A. said, "we feel comfortrable
among them".
> The gays take every opportunity to dress up. Consequently Halloween has
> become a gay festival in LA. The first people I met when leaving the
> hotel were a group of men dressed up as ballerinas. This is Pelosi
> Land.
> Americans can already see what their country's future will be if they
> vote for Pelosi and her band. They only need to watch Europe. That is
> what America will be like 20 years from now if the Liberals succeed in
> turning the U.S. into a European-style welfare state. The latter is the
> cause of all Europe's problems. It has led to secularization, because
> people who are catered for from the cradle to the grave no longer need
> God. It has led to the immigration debacle, because Europe has
> attracted welfare immigrants who only come for the benefits and not to
> contribute to the host country's wealth creation. It has led to the
> loss of the citizens' ability to care for themselves, because they
> expect everything from the state.
> However, the current American elections are relevant for Europe, too.
> If they lead to the American withdrawal from Iraq, Europe will face a
> widespread intifada. The withdrawal will be perceived as a defeat of
> the West and the Muslim "youths" in Europe's cities will become
> even more arrogant. They utterly despise the Europeans, whom they
> perceive (not entirely without reason) to be men dressed up as
> ballerinas, and they hate America because it fights back. In a world
> ruled by men who only understand the language of power it is better to
> be hated than despised. If America withdraws the Islamist fanatics will
> despise America for it. They will take this as a sign that the West has
> been defeated and that the world is theirs.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 or any other Islamic terrorism.
None of
those who took part in 9-11 were Iraqis, in fact they were all Saudis
which
leads one to ask why Bush did not invade Saudi Arabia.
> In this scenario Europe has more to lose than America. That makes it
> all the more surprising that Europe's politicians refuse to support
> America. They seem to be hoping that the Muslims, although they despise
> the Europeans, will leave them alone so they can carry on paying the
> taxes that the immigrants live off. I fear it will not turn out this
> way. Moreover, the funds are running dry because the welfare state
> hampers wealth creation.
> I have ambivalent feelings about the war in Iraq, but once a country
> has decided to go to war it has got to make sure it wins. Europe no
> longer knows this, which also goes to explain why it does not want to
> help America win the war and why, on a micro level, the situation in
> France is deteriorating day by day. Last year the French Interior
> Minister Nicolas Sarkozy decided to reestablish law and order in the
> French immigrant suburbs which have become territorial pockets ruled by
> thugs and Islamists. Instead of fighting this battle with all available
> means the French authorities are waging a half-hearted war which has
> led to the current debacle in France's no-go areas. Last year
> "youths" developed a habit of setting parked (and empty) cars on
> fire, but this year policemen and firefighters are being attacked in
> paramilitary raids and crowded buses are being hijacked and arsoned.
> Still the French Republic refuses to crack down on the Islamic
> hooligans.
Those non-white immigrants should never have been allowed to enter
France
in the 1st. place. These coloureds from the 3rd world wanted to be
free of
white rule, so what are they doing in so many European counties?
Australia
had a "whites only" policy for years knowing the problems they had
with their
own Abos.
> Yesterday Le Figaro reported that the police in Roubaix, a town in the
> North of France, had been ordered not to search the house of a
> suspected drug trafficker because he lived in a no-go part of town.
> Police officers reported in an official but confidential document that
> "the Prefect [the Governor] of the Nord Department [Province]
> currently does not authorize police actions in that sector for reasons
> concerning public order." The house of the suspected drug dealer was
> situated in "a sensitive area." Here the thugs can do as they
> please.
> Following the publication of the confidential police report both the
> French Interior Ministry and the Defence Ministry have denied its
> content, saying that the police officers misunderstood the orders given
> to them. The suspected drug trafficker was not arrested, they say,
> because the police had to wait for reinforcements. Meanwhile the
> authorities have announced an official investigation into the leaking
> of the document. This attitude is a recipe for defeat.
Europeans need to elect politicians with the guts to deport the lot
of them.
They have done nothing for the benefit of the nations they now
infest and
need to be returned to the 3rd world cesspits they fled from. They
are *not*
refugees, they are mostly criminals as the crime statistics have
proven time
and time again.
Nov 3rd 2006 | 10:56 am
#15
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Posts: n/a
Re: A Recipe for Defeat: Europe is Pelosi's America
[email protected] wrote:
> On 3 Nov 2006 09:12:06 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> >"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected] roups.com...
> >> www.brusseslsjournal.com
> ><snip>
> I guess you know you can have your account pulled for cross posting
> irrelevant crap to so many newsgroups?
There was nothing irrelevant about it. What was it in his post that
you
disagreed with? As for having accounts pulled, only cowards resort
to
such infantile rubbish. I never crosspost intentionally, however my
posts
get crossposted because I can't be bothered to edit all of the NG's
that
others have added. So what? Why should I care who sees them other
than the group I post in?
Your problem is the content of his post which, I must say made a lot
of
sense regarding the invasion of Muslims in every country in the world
and the
problems they are causing.
> On 3 Nov 2006 09:12:06 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> >"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected] roups.com...
> >> www.brusseslsjournal.com
> ><snip>
> I guess you know you can have your account pulled for cross posting
> irrelevant crap to so many newsgroups?
There was nothing irrelevant about it. What was it in his post that
you
disagreed with? As for having accounts pulled, only cowards resort
to
such infantile rubbish. I never crosspost intentionally, however my
posts
get crossposted because I can't be bothered to edit all of the NG's
that
others have added. So what? Why should I care who sees them other
than the group I post in?
Your problem is the content of his post which, I must say made a lot
of
sense regarding the invasion of Muslims in every country in the world
and the
problems they are causing.
