>Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Note, by the way, that most girls at puberty have a hymenal opening
that
    >>is just about the same size as a tampon, and thus can use tampons
    >>without further damaging the hymen, although whether or not it
remains
    >>intact depends on a number of things (and it's not really important,
    >>because a hymen with an opening does not prove or disprove
virginity).
    >This concept of virginity is somewhat iffy. I remember when I was
    >growing up, lots of girls thought they were virgins because they had
    >never had vaginal sex. BUT they engaged in every other imaginable
sex
    >act with their boyfriends, including anal sex. And they claimed they
    >were virgins.

Interesting. This was reported today:

Study: Many virgins take other risks

Report suggests those who pledge abstinence try other sex
NEW HAVEN, Connecticut (AP) -- Teens who pledge to remain virgins
until marriage are more likely to take chances with other kinds of sex
that increase the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, a study of
12,000 adolescents suggests.

The report by Yale and Columbia University researchers could help
explain their earlier findings that teens who pledged abstinence are
just as likely to have STDs as their peers.

The latest study, published in the April issue of the Journal of
Adolescent Health, found that teens pledging virginity until marriage
are more likely to have oral and anal sex than other teens who have
not had intercourse. That behavior, however, "puts you at risk," said
Hannah Brueckner, assistant professor of sociology at Yale and one of
the study's authors.

Among virgins, boys who have pledged abstinence were four times more
likely to have had anal sex than teens who have remained abstinent but
not as part of a pledge, according to the study. Overall, pledgers
were six times more likely to have oral sex.

The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their
first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the researchers found.

Data for the study was taken from the National Longitudinal Study of
Adolescent Health. An in-school questionnaire was given to a
nationally representative sample of students in grades 7-12 and
followed up with a series of in-home interviews roughly one, two, and
six years later. It was funded in part by the National Institute of
Child Health and Human Development and the Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention.

Leslee Unruh, president of the National Abstinence Clearinghouse in
Sioux Falls, South Dakota, called the study "bogus," disputing that
those involved had pledged true "abstinence."

"Kids who pledge abstinence are taught that any word that has 'sex' in
it is considered a sexual activity," Unruh said. "Therefore oral sex
is sex, and they are staying away."

Millions of teens have signed written pledges or verbally promised to
abstain from sex, part of a church-led effort to discourage premarital
sex and the spread of disease. President Bush has boosted funding for
abstinence-only education in schools.

Critics say that education needs to be coupled with safe-sex education
to be effective.

"If adolescents only had sex in monogamous, married relationships, by
definition there would be no STDs," Brueckner said, echoing President
Bush's remarks in last year's State of the Union address. "But the
majority of adolescents don't live like that. They do have sex."

Last year, the same research team found that 88 percent of teens who
pledge abstinence end up having sex before marriage, compared with 99
percent of teens who do not make a pledge.

    > >>Note, by the way, that most girls at puberty have a hymenal opening
    > that
    > >>is just about the same size as a tampon, and thus can use tampons
    > >>without further damaging the hymen, although whether or not it
    > remains
    > >>intact depends on a number of things (and it's not really important,
    > >>because a hymen with an opening does not prove or disprove
    > virginity).
    > >
    > >This concept of virginity is somewhat iffy. I remember when I was
    > >growing up, lots of girls thought they were virgins because they had
    > >never had vaginal sex. BUT they engaged in every other imaginable
    > sex
    > >act with their boyfriends, including anal sex. And they claimed they
    > >were virgins.


    > Interesting. This was reported today:
    > Study: Many virgins take other risks
    > Report suggests those who pledge abstinence try other sex
    > NEW HAVEN, Connecticut (AP) -- Teens who pledge to remain virgins
    > until marriage are more likely to take chances with other kinds of sex
    > that increase the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, a study of
    > 12,000 adolescents suggests.
--rest snipped--

This has been happening in Arab cultures for a long time.... not because of
pledges but because the girl wants to be alive after her wedding night. :)
This too is likely to change within the next 15 years along with other
things in Islam.

I dated an Arab Muslim girl in the US for a little while. She would do
"anything but" regular intercourse. However, she wasn't in fear for her
life, not here at least. I and other guys I've known have encountered
this with Catholic girls as well.

    > This too is likely to change within the next 15 years along with
    > other things in Islam.

Yeah, right.
I needed that laugh. Thanks.

    > "If adolescents only had sex in monogamous, married relationships, by
    > definition there would be no STDs," Brueckner said, echoing President
    > Bush's remarks in last year's State of the Union address. "But the
    > majority of adolescents don't live like that. They do have sex."


Yes, it's called "NORMAL LIFE"! :-/

Wayno
http://www.nstmyosenji.org

    > > This too is likely to change within the next 15 years along with
    > > other things in Islam.
    > Yeah, right.
    > I needed that laugh. Thanks.

Don't laugh too hard. Did you notice that Amina Wadud said the prayer on
Friday? Almost as big as the first steps on the moon. Women will push
Islam on it's edge. Keep you eyes open between hee-haws.

Stevie wrote:
    > > >>Note, by the way, that most girls at puberty have a hymenal
opening
    > > that
    > > >>is just about the same size as a tampon, and thus can use tampons
    > > >>without further damaging the hymen, although whether or not it
    > > remains
    > > >>intact depends on a number of things (and it's not really
important,
    > > >>because a hymen with an opening does not prove or disprove
    > > virginity).
    > > >
    > > >This concept of virginity is somewhat iffy. I remember when I was
    > > >growing up, lots of girls thought they were virgins because they
had
    > > >never had vaginal sex. BUT they engaged in every other imaginable
    > > sex
    > > >act with their boyfriends, including anal sex. And they claimed
they
    > > >were virgins.
    > > Interesting. This was reported today:
    > >
    > > Study: Many virgins take other risks
    > >
    > > Report suggests those who pledge abstinence try other sex
    > > NEW HAVEN, Connecticut (AP) -- Teens who pledge to remain virgins
    > > until marriage are more likely to take chances with other kinds of
sex
    > > that increase the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, a study of
    > > 12,000 adolescents suggests.
    > --rest snipped--
    > This has been happening in Arab cultures for a long time.... not
because of
    > pledges but because the girl wants to be alive after her wedding
night. :)
    > This too is likely to change within the next 15 years along with
other
    > things in Islam.

Somehow, I don't think so.

Susan

Susan Cohen wrote:
    > Stevie wrote:
    > > > >>Note, by the way, that most girls at puberty have a hymenal
    > opening
    > > > that
    > > > >>is just about the same size as a tampon, and thus can use
tampons
    > > > >>without further damaging the hymen, although whether or not it
    > > > remains
    > > > >>intact depends on a number of things (and it's not really
    > important,
    > > > >>because a hymen with an opening does not prove or disprove
    > > > virginity).
    > > > >
    > > > >This concept of virginity is somewhat iffy. I remember when I
was
    > > > >growing up, lots of girls thought they were virgins because they
    > had
    > > > >never had vaginal sex. BUT they engaged in every other
imaginable
    > > > sex
    > > > >act with their boyfriends, including anal sex. And they claimed
    > they
    > > > >were virgins.
    > >
    > >
    > > > Interesting. This was reported today:
    > > >
    > > > Study: Many virgins take other risks
    > > >
    > > > Report suggests those who pledge abstinence try other sex
    > > > NEW HAVEN, Connecticut (AP) -- Teens who pledge to remain virgins
    > > > until marriage are more likely to take chances with other kinds
of
    > sex
    > > > that increase the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, a study
of
    > > > 12,000 adolescents suggests.
    > > --rest snipped--
    > >
    > > This has been happening in Arab cultures for a long time.... not
    > because of
    > > pledges but because the girl wants to be alive after her wedding
    > night. :)
    > > This too is likely to change within the next 15 years along with
    > other
    > > things in Islam.
    > Somehow, I don't think so.

that should say "I can not imagine! so!?
    >
    > Susan

The Duchess of Corniness wrote:
    > Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >On 20 Mar 2005 15:32:10 -0800, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "nina"
<[email protected]>
    > >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > >
    > > ...
    > > ... Magda wrote:
    > > ... > On 20 Mar 2005 03:50:00 -0800, in alt.gossip.celebrities,
    > > ... [email protected] arranged
    > > ... > some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > > ... >
    > > ... > ... There wasn't any problem with prophylactics, the women
in
    > > ... question were
    > > ... > ... saving regular intercourse for marriage.
    > > ... >
    > > ... > Pregnancy.
    > > ...
    > > ... Not just pregnancy, an intact hymen.
    > >
    > >The very dream of every xtian/muslim man... a wife who indulged in
every possible sex
    > >activity but has an intact hymen... Ain't life great ?
    > Hey, don't knock it (no pun). There's a nice little cottage industry
    > in many countries of gynecologists who do hymen repair jobs on brides
    > rushing to the altar. It's brisk business in many places, including
    > the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

How else would the towelheads find a 72yo virgin?

Susan

    > How else would the towelheads find a 72yo virgin?

Technically they aren't towels, they are sheets... so you should be
politcally correct by calling them sheetheads. :-)

--
~*~ Keeper of Monica Bellucci ~*~

SpongeWoodie Squarepants wrote:
    > > How else would the towelheads find a 72yo virgin?
    > Technically they aren't towels, they are sheets... so you should be
    > politcally correct by calling them sheetheads. :-)

Sheetheads? I like the sound of that!

    > --
    > ~*~ Keeper of Monica Bellucci ~*~

You can have her.

Susan

In article <[email protected]>, "Stevie" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > This too is likely to change within the next 15 years along with
    >> > other things in Islam.
    >> Yeah, right.
    >> I needed that laugh. Thanks.
    >Don't laugh too hard. Did you notice that Amina Wadud said the prayer on
    >Friday? Almost as big as the first steps on the moon. Women will push
    >Islam on it's edge. Keep you eyes open between hee-haws.

The jury is still out on that one. She could be ok, but then she could be
sharing accomodations with Salmon Rushdie pretty soon. Tolerance is not
necessarily practiced as a virtue in many parts of the world. Until recently
you could have asked a certain Dutch filmmaker his opinion on the matter.