Please critique my UK itinerary
Jan 20th 2007, 9:52 am
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Please critique my UK itinerary
This is for late October, 2007:
Day 1 - leave Seattle
Day 2 - arrive London AM
Day 3, 4 - London
Day 5 - AM train to York
Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
Day 10 - Bath
Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
you think? Thanks.
Day 1 - leave Seattle
Day 2 - arrive London AM
Day 3, 4 - London
Day 5 - AM train to York
Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
Day 10 - Bath
Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
you think? Thanks.
Jan 20th 2007, 10:31 am
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:52:02 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>This is for late October, 2007:
>
>Day 1 - leave Seattle
>Day 2 - arrive London AM
>Day 3, 4 - London
>Day 5 - AM train to York
>Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
Call in at Chester, but stay in N Wales.
>Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
N Wales to Warwick would be better than starting in Chester, going to
N Wales, then heading back to England.
>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
Only my opinion, but I think that Warwick Castle is grossly
over-rated. Ripoff admission charge. Some of the North Wales castles
(Conwy and Caernarfon for example) are more interesting. I repeat,
just my opinion!
>Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
Get a good map for the Cotswolds, and try and see some of the villages
located on minor roads. (Upper and Lower Slaughter, Stanton, Stanway,
Snowshill).
Good route towards Bath would be Broadway (another tourist honeypot,
I'm afraid, but still pretty) to Cheltenham via Winchcombe (road
B4632) - road goes over Cleeve Hill, highest in the Cotswolds.
From Cheletenham take the A46 all the way to Bath as it follows the
Cotswold escarpment with some good views. Call in at the village of
Painswick on the way with the yew trees surrounding the church.
(Legend has it that you'll go mad if you try and count the yew trees!)
There's also the Rococo Garden at Painswick.
>Day 10 - Bath
>Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
>We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
>there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
>you think? Thanks.
It's feasible, for sure.
Keith, Bristol, UK
>
>This is for late October, 2007:
>
>Day 1 - leave Seattle
>Day 2 - arrive London AM
>Day 3, 4 - London
>Day 5 - AM train to York
>Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
Call in at Chester, but stay in N Wales.
>Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
N Wales to Warwick would be better than starting in Chester, going to
N Wales, then heading back to England.
>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
Only my opinion, but I think that Warwick Castle is grossly
over-rated. Ripoff admission charge. Some of the North Wales castles
(Conwy and Caernarfon for example) are more interesting. I repeat,
just my opinion!
>Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
Get a good map for the Cotswolds, and try and see some of the villages
located on minor roads. (Upper and Lower Slaughter, Stanton, Stanway,
Snowshill).
Good route towards Bath would be Broadway (another tourist honeypot,
I'm afraid, but still pretty) to Cheltenham via Winchcombe (road
B4632) - road goes over Cleeve Hill, highest in the Cotswolds.
From Cheletenham take the A46 all the way to Bath as it follows the
Cotswold escarpment with some good views. Call in at the village of
Painswick on the way with the yew trees surrounding the church.
(Legend has it that you'll go mad if you try and count the yew trees!)
There's also the Rococo Garden at Painswick.
>Day 10 - Bath
>Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
>We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
>there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
>you think? Thanks.
It's feasible, for sure.
Keith, Bristol, UK
Jan 20th 2007, 3:12 pm
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
[email protected] wrote:
>
>This is for late October, 2007:
>
>Day 1 - leave Seattle
>Day 2 - arrive London AM
>Day 3, 4 - London
>Day 5 - AM train to York
>Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
>Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
>Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
>Day 10 - Bath
>Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
>We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
>there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
>you think? Thanks.
Take lots of photos, so you can enjoy your trip when you get home.
Because your going to be running around and won't have time to breath.
And take a couple extra photos for the person driving, if they've
never driven in a foreign country. The traffic laws are different! The
roads are different! The reflexes for which side of the road is
different!
Bring along enough clothes to never do laundry.
Bring two sets of nesting luggage. One for clean, one for dirty.
Bring a note pad, so the passenger can take notes of what you almost
saw, while the driver is concentrating on driving.
It seems like a lot of traveling for a 9 day vacation. Or is it 8
days, counting time wasted in airports, etc.
As you can tell, I'm not in favor of "rushed" traveling.
I do hope you have a wonderful time!
>
>This is for late October, 2007:
>
>Day 1 - leave Seattle
>Day 2 - arrive London AM
>Day 3, 4 - London
>Day 5 - AM train to York
>Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
>Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
>Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
>Day 10 - Bath
>Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
>We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
>there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
>you think? Thanks.
Take lots of photos, so you can enjoy your trip when you get home.
Because your going to be running around and won't have time to breath.
And take a couple extra photos for the person driving, if they've
never driven in a foreign country. The traffic laws are different! The
roads are different! The reflexes for which side of the road is
different!
Bring along enough clothes to never do laundry.
Bring two sets of nesting luggage. One for clean, one for dirty.
Bring a note pad, so the passenger can take notes of what you almost
saw, while the driver is concentrating on driving.
It seems like a lot of traveling for a 9 day vacation. Or is it 8
days, counting time wasted in airports, etc.
As you can tell, I'm not in favor of "rushed" traveling.
I do hope you have a wonderful time!
Jan 20th 2007, 4:01 pm
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
[email protected] wrote:
> This is for late October, 2007:
>
> Day 1 - leave Seattle
> Day 2 - arrive London AM
> Day 3, 4 - London
> Day 5 - AM train to York
> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> Day 10 - Bath
> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> you think? Thanks.
Even for a quick first trip, it's too many places in too little time.
You would spend way too much of your time on the road, and going to and
from hotels. With just eight full days, and coming off a transatlantic
flight (so expect to be tired from jet lag your first two days), most
of your days in this plan would involve at least some driving or a bus
or train, and you'd have to change hotels almost every night.
I would highly recommend that you see fewer places, and spend more time
in each of them. You will enjoy your trip a lot more that way than if
you are always on the move. Why don't you stick to London, York and
Bath on this trip? Even that would be somewhat fast paced.
> This is for late October, 2007:
>
> Day 1 - leave Seattle
> Day 2 - arrive London AM
> Day 3, 4 - London
> Day 5 - AM train to York
> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> Day 10 - Bath
> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> you think? Thanks.
Even for a quick first trip, it's too many places in too little time.
You would spend way too much of your time on the road, and going to and
from hotels. With just eight full days, and coming off a transatlantic
flight (so expect to be tired from jet lag your first two days), most
of your days in this plan would involve at least some driving or a bus
or train, and you'd have to change hotels almost every night.
I would highly recommend that you see fewer places, and spend more time
in each of them. You will enjoy your trip a lot more that way than if
you are always on the move. Why don't you stick to London, York and
Bath on this trip? Even that would be somewhat fast paced.
Jan 20th 2007, 8:09 pm
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
[email protected] wrote:
>
> This is for late October, 2007:
>
> Day 1 - leave Seattle
> Day 2 - arrive London AM
> Day 3, 4 - London
> Day 5 - AM train to York
> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> Day 10 - Bath
> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> you think? Thanks.
>
Get out of London as quickly as possible and spend more time in York.
>
> This is for late October, 2007:
>
> Day 1 - leave Seattle
> Day 2 - arrive London AM
> Day 3, 4 - London
> Day 5 - AM train to York
> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> Day 10 - Bath
> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> you think? Thanks.
>
Get out of London as quickly as possible and spend more time in York.
Jan 20th 2007, 8:43 pm
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
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> [email protected] wrote:
>> This is for late October, 2007:
>>
>> Day 1 - leave Seattle
>> Day 2 - arrive London AM
>> Day 3, 4 - London
>> Day 5 - AM train to York
>> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
>> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
>> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
>> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
>> Day 10 - Bath
>> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>>
>> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
>> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
>> you think? Thanks.
>
> Even for a quick first trip, it's too many places in too little time.
> You would spend way too much of your time on the road, and going to and
> from hotels. With just eight full days, and coming off a transatlantic
> flight (so expect to be tired from jet lag your first two days), most
> of your days in this plan would involve at least some driving or a bus
> or train,
You make the (IMHO wrong) assumption that people see
travelling as a chore and not as 'part of the experience of
being in a different country'.
For me, when I am on holiday, the driving (train/bus) betwen
paces is at least as important as seeing the place that I am
going to.
tim
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> [email protected] wrote:
>> This is for late October, 2007:
>>
>> Day 1 - leave Seattle
>> Day 2 - arrive London AM
>> Day 3, 4 - London
>> Day 5 - AM train to York
>> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
>> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
>> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
>> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
>> Day 10 - Bath
>> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>>
>> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
>> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
>> you think? Thanks.
>
> Even for a quick first trip, it's too many places in too little time.
> You would spend way too much of your time on the road, and going to and
> from hotels. With just eight full days, and coming off a transatlantic
> flight (so expect to be tired from jet lag your first two days), most
> of your days in this plan would involve at least some driving or a bus
> or train,
You make the (IMHO wrong) assumption that people see
travelling as a chore and not as 'part of the experience of
being in a different country'.
For me, when I am on holiday, the driving (train/bus) betwen
paces is at least as important as seeing the place that I am
going to.
tim
Jan 20th 2007, 8:50 pm
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> This is for late October, 2007:
>
> Day 1 - leave Seattle
> Day 2 - arrive London AM
> Day 3, 4 - London
> Day 5 - AM train to York
> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
I do think that this is much too much for one day.
The roads in the area are not good. It is October so will
get dark early, and will possibly be rainy and dull so
you will not see the area at its best. I would skip this
and do 'wales' properly at another time.
> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> Day 10 - Bath
> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do you
> think? Thanks.
>
>
> This is for late October, 2007:
>
> Day 1 - leave Seattle
> Day 2 - arrive London AM
> Day 3, 4 - London
> Day 5 - AM train to York
> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
I do think that this is much too much for one day.
The roads in the area are not good. It is October so will
get dark early, and will possibly be rainy and dull so
you will not see the area at its best. I would skip this
and do 'wales' properly at another time.
> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> Day 10 - Bath
> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do you
> think? Thanks.
>
Jan 20th 2007, 9:42 pm
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:52:02 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> This is for late October, 2007:
>
> Day 1 - leave Seattle
> Day 2 - arrive London AM
> Day 3, 4 - London
> Day 5 - AM train to York
> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> Day 10 - Bath
> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> you think? Thanks.
It's certainly do-able - but it will be very tiring. Also, don't forget, you
will have considerably reduced daylight hours in late October. Sunrise ca.
7.45am, sunset ca. 5.45pm (10hours). Compare with end June 4.45am - 9.45pm
(17 hours).
Would suggest following route modification:-
Days 1 to 6 OK, then
Day 7 Chester - N Wales coast road - Caernarvon - Beddgelert - Bala -
Shrewsbury. (160 miles). Overnight.
Day 8 Shrewsbury - Warwick Castle - Stratford-upon-Avon - Cotswolds (100
miles). Overnight.
Day 9 Full day exploring Cotswolds. Overnight.
Day 10 Leisurely drive to Bath, return car. Overnight.
Day 11 Coach to Heathrow.
Chester and Bath really don't need more than 3 hours each in which to see
the main sights.
Hope you have lots of fun.
Gerry
> This is for late October, 2007:
>
> Day 1 - leave Seattle
> Day 2 - arrive London AM
> Day 3, 4 - London
> Day 5 - AM train to York
> Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> Day 10 - Bath
> Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
>
> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> you think? Thanks.
It's certainly do-able - but it will be very tiring. Also, don't forget, you
will have considerably reduced daylight hours in late October. Sunrise ca.
7.45am, sunset ca. 5.45pm (10hours). Compare with end June 4.45am - 9.45pm
(17 hours).
Would suggest following route modification:-
Days 1 to 6 OK, then
Day 7 Chester - N Wales coast road - Caernarvon - Beddgelert - Bala -
Shrewsbury. (160 miles). Overnight.
Day 8 Shrewsbury - Warwick Castle - Stratford-upon-Avon - Cotswolds (100
miles). Overnight.
Day 9 Full day exploring Cotswolds. Overnight.
Day 10 Leisurely drive to Bath, return car. Overnight.
Day 11 Coach to Heathrow.
Chester and Bath really don't need more than 3 hours each in which to see
the main sights.
Hope you have lots of fun.
Gerry
Jan 20th 2007, 10:00 pm
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
Gerald Oliver Swift wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:52:02 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > This is for late October, 2007:
> >
> > Day 1 - leave Seattle
> > Day 2 - arrive London AM
> > Day 3, 4 - London
> > Day 5 - AM train to York
> > Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> > Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> > Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> > Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> > Day 10 - Bath
> > Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
> >
> > We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> > there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> > you think? Thanks.
>
> It's certainly do-able - but it will be very tiring. Also, don't forget, you
> will have considerably reduced daylight hours in late October. Sunrise ca.
> 7.45am, sunset ca. 5.45pm (10hours). Compare with end June 4.45am - 9.45pm
> (17 hours).
>
> Would suggest following route modification:-
> Days 1 to 6 OK, then
> Day 7 Chester - N Wales coast road - Caernarvon - Beddgelert - Bala -
> Shrewsbury. (160 miles). Overnight.
> Day 8 Shrewsbury - Warwick Castle - Stratford-upon-Avon - Cotswolds (100
> miles). Overnight.
> Day 9 Full day exploring Cotswolds. Overnight.
> Day 10 Leisurely drive to Bath, return car. Overnight.
> Day 11 Coach to Heathrow.
>
> Chester and Bath really don't need more than 3 hours each in which to see
> the main sights.
>
> Hope you have lots of fun.
> Gerry
Possibly, as has already been suggested, it isn't worth it in a quite
crowded itinerary spending precious time and money at Warwick Castle -
ISTR that Warwick otherwise is 'quaint' enough but really nothing to
write home about, so maybe consider skipping it this time in order to
allow more time in either Cotswolds or in Bath ?
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:52:02 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > This is for late October, 2007:
> >
> > Day 1 - leave Seattle
> > Day 2 - arrive London AM
> > Day 3, 4 - London
> > Day 5 - AM train to York
> > Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> > Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> > Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> > Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> > Day 10 - Bath
> > Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
> >
> > We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> > there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> > you think? Thanks.
>
> It's certainly do-able - but it will be very tiring. Also, don't forget, you
> will have considerably reduced daylight hours in late October. Sunrise ca.
> 7.45am, sunset ca. 5.45pm (10hours). Compare with end June 4.45am - 9.45pm
> (17 hours).
>
> Would suggest following route modification:-
> Days 1 to 6 OK, then
> Day 7 Chester - N Wales coast road - Caernarvon - Beddgelert - Bala -
> Shrewsbury. (160 miles). Overnight.
> Day 8 Shrewsbury - Warwick Castle - Stratford-upon-Avon - Cotswolds (100
> miles). Overnight.
> Day 9 Full day exploring Cotswolds. Overnight.
> Day 10 Leisurely drive to Bath, return car. Overnight.
> Day 11 Coach to Heathrow.
>
> Chester and Bath really don't need more than 3 hours each in which to see
> the main sights.
>
> Hope you have lots of fun.
> Gerry
Possibly, as has already been suggested, it isn't worth it in a quite
crowded itinerary spending precious time and money at Warwick Castle -
ISTR that Warwick otherwise is 'quaint' enough but really nothing to
write home about, so maybe consider skipping it this time in order to
allow more time in either Cotswolds or in Bath ?
Jan 20th 2007, 10:04 pm
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
Gerald Oliver Swift wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:52:02 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > This is for late October, 2007:
> >
> > Day 1 - leave Seattle
> > Day 2 - arrive London AM
> > Day 3, 4 - London
> > Day 5 - AM train to York
> > Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> > Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> > Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> > Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> > Day 10 - Bath
> > Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
> >
> > We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> > there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> > you think? Thanks.
>
> It's certainly do-able - but it will be very tiring. Also, don't forget, you
> will have considerably reduced daylight hours in late October. Sunrise ca.
> 7.45am, sunset ca. 5.45pm (10hours). Compare with end June 4.45am - 9.45pm
> (17 hours).
>
> Would suggest following route modification:-
> Days 1 to 6 OK, then
> Day 7 Chester - N Wales coast road - Caernarvon - Beddgelert - Bala -
> Shrewsbury. (160 miles). Overnight.
> Day 8 Shrewsbury - Warwick Castle - Stratford-upon-Avon - Cotswolds (100
> miles). Overnight.
> Day 9 Full day exploring Cotswolds. Overnight.
> Day 10 Leisurely drive to Bath, return car. Overnight.
> Day 11 Coach to Heathrow.
>
> Chester and Bath really don't need more than 3 hours each in which to see
> the main sights.
>
> Hope you have lots of fun.
> Gerry
Chester and Bath don't compare at all, IMHO - Bath is very much worth
over 3 hours !!
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:52:02 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > This is for late October, 2007:
> >
> > Day 1 - leave Seattle
> > Day 2 - arrive London AM
> > Day 3, 4 - London
> > Day 5 - AM train to York
> > Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> > Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> > Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> > Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> > Day 10 - Bath
> > Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
> >
> > We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> > there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> > you think? Thanks.
>
> It's certainly do-able - but it will be very tiring. Also, don't forget, you
> will have considerably reduced daylight hours in late October. Sunrise ca.
> 7.45am, sunset ca. 5.45pm (10hours). Compare with end June 4.45am - 9.45pm
> (17 hours).
>
> Would suggest following route modification:-
> Days 1 to 6 OK, then
> Day 7 Chester - N Wales coast road - Caernarvon - Beddgelert - Bala -
> Shrewsbury. (160 miles). Overnight.
> Day 8 Shrewsbury - Warwick Castle - Stratford-upon-Avon - Cotswolds (100
> miles). Overnight.
> Day 9 Full day exploring Cotswolds. Overnight.
> Day 10 Leisurely drive to Bath, return car. Overnight.
> Day 11 Coach to Heathrow.
>
> Chester and Bath really don't need more than 3 hours each in which to see
> the main sights.
>
> Hope you have lots of fun.
> Gerry
Chester and Bath don't compare at all, IMHO - Bath is very much worth
over 3 hours !!
Jan 20th 2007, 11:44 pm
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:31:47 +0000, Keith Anderson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
>
>Only my opinion, but I think that Warwick Castle is grossly
>over-rated. Ripoff admission charge. Some of the North Wales castles
>(Conwy and Caernarfon for example) are more interesting. I repeat,
>just my opinion!
Kenilworth Castle is better than Warwick, I can't see any reason to
visit Warwick castle.
Jim.
wrote:
>>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
>
>Only my opinion, but I think that Warwick Castle is grossly
>over-rated. Ripoff admission charge. Some of the North Wales castles
>(Conwy and Caernarfon for example) are more interesting. I repeat,
>just my opinion!
Kenilworth Castle is better than Warwick, I can't see any reason to
visit Warwick castle.
Jim.
Jan 21st 2007, 12:00 am
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:44:44 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Jim Ley)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:31:47 +0000, Keith Anderson <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
... >
... >Only my opinion, but I think that Warwick Castle is grossly
... >over-rated. Ripoff admission charge. Some of the North Wales castles
... >(Conwy and Caernarfon for example) are more interesting. I repeat,
... >just my opinion!
...
... Kenilworth Castle is better than Warwick, I can't see any reason to
... visit Warwick castle.
History?
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:31:47 +0000, Keith Anderson <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
... >
... >Only my opinion, but I think that Warwick Castle is grossly
... >over-rated. Ripoff admission charge. Some of the North Wales castles
... >(Conwy and Caernarfon for example) are more interesting. I repeat,
... >just my opinion!
...
... Kenilworth Castle is better than Warwick, I can't see any reason to
... visit Warwick castle.
History?
Jan 21st 2007, 12:07 am
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:31:47 +0000, Keith Anderson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
>>
>>Only my opinion, but I think that Warwick Castle is grossly
>>over-rated. Ripoff admission charge. Some of the North Wales castles
>>(Conwy and Caernarfon for example) are more interesting. I repeat,
>>just my opinion!
>
> Kenilworth Castle is better than Warwick, I can't see any reason to
> visit Warwick castle.
> Jim.
The 'hole in the floor' dungeon is scary !
Jenny
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:31:47 +0000, Keith Anderson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>>Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
>>
>>Only my opinion, but I think that Warwick Castle is grossly
>>over-rated. Ripoff admission charge. Some of the North Wales castles
>>(Conwy and Caernarfon for example) are more interesting. I repeat,
>>just my opinion!
>
> Kenilworth Castle is better than Warwick, I can't see any reason to
> visit Warwick castle.
> Jim.
The 'hole in the floor' dungeon is scary !
Jenny
Jan 21st 2007, 12:46 am
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
tim..... wrote:
> "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> >> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> >> you think? Thanks.
> >
> > Even for a quick first trip, it's too many places in too little time.
> > You would spend way too much of your time on the road, and going to and
> > from hotels. With just eight full days, and coming off a transatlantic
> > flight (so expect to be tired from jet lag your first two days), most
> > of your days in this plan would involve at least some driving or a bus
> > or train,
>
> You make the (IMHO wrong) assumption that people see
> travelling as a chore and not as 'part of the experience of
> being in a different country'.
It can be a big part of the experience in some cases, but on a short
trip, is that really how you want to spend much of your time? And
while there are many rewarding road or rail journeys in the world, most
of what the OP has in mind would not qualify.
> For me, when I am on holiday, the driving (train/bus) betwen
> paces is at least as important as seeing the place that I am
> going to.
I've done a lot of both types of travel, and come to the conclusion
that the trips I enjoyed the most and got the most out of were
uniformly the ones where I spent the most time in the fewest places,
and was more focused on meeting people and exploring than on "sights".
Other people may have different ideas on how to travel, and I respect
that. But it's common on a first trip to want to see everything, and
not really consider how the travel time will impact you - it's
definitely something that the OP should consider before deciding on an
itinerary like this.
> "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >> We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> >> there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> >> you think? Thanks.
> >
> > Even for a quick first trip, it's too many places in too little time.
> > You would spend way too much of your time on the road, and going to and
> > from hotels. With just eight full days, and coming off a transatlantic
> > flight (so expect to be tired from jet lag your first two days), most
> > of your days in this plan would involve at least some driving or a bus
> > or train,
>
> You make the (IMHO wrong) assumption that people see
> travelling as a chore and not as 'part of the experience of
> being in a different country'.
It can be a big part of the experience in some cases, but on a short
trip, is that really how you want to spend much of your time? And
while there are many rewarding road or rail journeys in the world, most
of what the OP has in mind would not qualify.
> For me, when I am on holiday, the driving (train/bus) betwen
> paces is at least as important as seeing the place that I am
> going to.
I've done a lot of both types of travel, and come to the conclusion
that the trips I enjoyed the most and got the most out of were
uniformly the ones where I spent the most time in the fewest places,
and was more focused on meeting people and exploring than on "sights".
Other people may have different ideas on how to travel, and I respect
that. But it's common on a first trip to want to see everything, and
not really consider how the travel time will impact you - it's
definitely something that the OP should consider before deciding on an
itinerary like this.
Jan 21st 2007, 2:05 am
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Re: Please critique my UK itinerary
In article <[email protected] .com>,
[email protected] (Iceman) wrote:
> *From:* "Iceman" <[email protected]>
> *Date:* 20 Jan 2007 21:01:08 -0800
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > This is for late October, 2007:
> >
> > Day 1 - leave Seattle
> > Day 2 - arrive London AM
> > Day 3, 4 - London
> > Day 5 - AM train to York
> > Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> > Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> > Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> > Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> > Day 10 - Bath
> > Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
> >
> > We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> > there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> > you think? Thanks.
>
> Even for a quick first trip, it's too many places in too little time.
> You would spend way too much of your time on the road, and going to and
> from hotels. With just eight full days, and coming off a transatlantic
> flight (so expect to be tired from jet lag your first two days), most
> of your days in this plan would involve at least some driving or a bus
> or train, and you'd have to change hotels almost every night.
>
> I would highly recommend that you see fewer places, and spend more time
> in each of them. You will enjoy your trip a lot more that way than if
> you are always on the move. Why don't you stick to London, York and
> Bath on this trip? Even that would be somewhat fast paced.
I'd go further and suggest sticking to London and York - maybe with a day
trip out of York to see somewhere smaller. (Ripon? Whitby?)
[email protected] (Iceman) wrote:
> *From:* "Iceman" <[email protected]>
> *Date:* 20 Jan 2007 21:01:08 -0800
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > This is for late October, 2007:
> >
> > Day 1 - leave Seattle
> > Day 2 - arrive London AM
> > Day 3, 4 - London
> > Day 5 - AM train to York
> > Day 6 - morning in York, rent car, drive to Chester (area)
> > Day 7 - Chester through N. Wales to Warwick area
> > Day 8 - Warwick Castle in AM, afternoon in Cotswolds.
> > Day 9 - Cotswolds - drive to Bath, return car
> > Day 10 - Bath
> > Day 11 - coach to Heathrow and home
> >
> > We consider this to be (hopefully) the first of many trips and realize
> > there is not enough time to do much of anything "in depth". What do
> > you think? Thanks.
>
> Even for a quick first trip, it's too many places in too little time.
> You would spend way too much of your time on the road, and going to and
> from hotels. With just eight full days, and coming off a transatlantic
> flight (so expect to be tired from jet lag your first two days), most
> of your days in this plan would involve at least some driving or a bus
> or train, and you'd have to change hotels almost every night.
>
> I would highly recommend that you see fewer places, and spend more time
> in each of them. You will enjoy your trip a lot more that way than if
> you are always on the move. Why don't you stick to London, York and
> Bath on this trip? Even that would be somewhat fast paced.
I'd go further and suggest sticking to London and York - maybe with a day
trip out of York to see somewhere smaller. (Ripon? Whitby?)
