PlastiC Mac
Feb 8th 2007, 12:29 am
#91
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Re: PlastiC Mac
Calif Bill wrote:
> "-hh" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The Apple ][ series had an internal bus, and component-level boards
> > were available for it (I had one).
>
> But not easy to add a board that would run external devices.
External? I thought your complaint was *internal* expansion?
> SCSI did not give the easy access you needed to run external devices.
I guess that a SCSI port on the back of the box isn't easy enough for
you, but this is a difference in perspetive: the end-user doesn't
have to care how much of a pain in the ass it was for the hardware
developer to figure out how to make things work. In essence, the
whole philosophical underpinnings of "plug-n-play" is that the product
developer takes on the pain so that his end user customer's life is
made easy.
> By 1995 was way to late. At least 10 years to late.
Sorry, but twelve years is a virtual eternity in the electronics
industry.
For computers, its easiliy 3-4 generations, which would be the
equivalent of 35 years of development in the Auto industry. If we
look back 35 years in cars, Honda and Toyota were virtual nobody's in
1972, and the Big 3 was about to get first Oil Shock with huge land
yachts in their inventory.
> Go forward to the 21st century and yes things have changed. But was way
> late to get in the game of add on boards.
So now we're back to internals again.
> I wrote part of the FW for the drives so was intimately involved in them
Since Apple dropped that back in 1999, this work would have been done
at least 8 years ago. Your "pain" is noted - - now get over it
already.
> > And for those that don't care about ever doing all of this sort of
> > internal brain surgury, there's also still "all-in-one" designs such
> > as the iMac which now even include built-in webcams.
>
> Sure, now, but the people that needed hardware wrote off MAC's. So the PC
> thrived and took over the market. More PC, for less cash.
That's flawed historical causality.
Macs and PCs were originally around the same price, and were both
'closed' systems from having a Copyrighted ROM BIOS.
What changed was that Apple was able to legally defend their
copyright, whereas IBM failed: IBM was using litigation techniques to
shut down PC cloners, but then lost in court to Phoenix and Lloyd's of
London (not Compaq). It was this failure to legally defend their
Copyright that opened the door for the market to effectively steal and
copy IBM's design, without which, the whole Clone race would have
never started.
And IBM's ROM BIOS would *still* be under copyright today, had it not
been for the outcome of this lawsuit. That became the lessons-learned
by the Music Industry, which is why they've gotten the US to make
reverse-engineering attempts to break DRM illegal.
-hh
> "-hh" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The Apple ][ series had an internal bus, and component-level boards
> > were available for it (I had one).
>
> But not easy to add a board that would run external devices.
External? I thought your complaint was *internal* expansion?
> SCSI did not give the easy access you needed to run external devices.
I guess that a SCSI port on the back of the box isn't easy enough for
you, but this is a difference in perspetive: the end-user doesn't
have to care how much of a pain in the ass it was for the hardware
developer to figure out how to make things work. In essence, the
whole philosophical underpinnings of "plug-n-play" is that the product
developer takes on the pain so that his end user customer's life is
made easy.
> By 1995 was way to late. At least 10 years to late.
Sorry, but twelve years is a virtual eternity in the electronics
industry.
For computers, its easiliy 3-4 generations, which would be the
equivalent of 35 years of development in the Auto industry. If we
look back 35 years in cars, Honda and Toyota were virtual nobody's in
1972, and the Big 3 was about to get first Oil Shock with huge land
yachts in their inventory.
> Go forward to the 21st century and yes things have changed. But was way
> late to get in the game of add on boards.
So now we're back to internals again.
> I wrote part of the FW for the drives so was intimately involved in them
Since Apple dropped that back in 1999, this work would have been done
at least 8 years ago. Your "pain" is noted - - now get over it
already.
> > And for those that don't care about ever doing all of this sort of
> > internal brain surgury, there's also still "all-in-one" designs such
> > as the iMac which now even include built-in webcams.
>
> Sure, now, but the people that needed hardware wrote off MAC's. So the PC
> thrived and took over the market. More PC, for less cash.
That's flawed historical causality.
Macs and PCs were originally around the same price, and were both
'closed' systems from having a Copyrighted ROM BIOS.
What changed was that Apple was able to legally defend their
copyright, whereas IBM failed: IBM was using litigation techniques to
shut down PC cloners, but then lost in court to Phoenix and Lloyd's of
London (not Compaq). It was this failure to legally defend their
Copyright that opened the door for the market to effectively steal and
copy IBM's design, without which, the whole Clone race would have
never started.
And IBM's ROM BIOS would *still* be under copyright today, had it not
been for the outcome of this lawsuit. That became the lessons-learned
by the Music Industry, which is why they've gotten the US to make
reverse-engineering attempts to break DRM illegal.
-hh
Feb 8th 2007, 1:22 am
#92
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Re: PlastiC Mac
On 8 feb, 12:28, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on 8 Feb 2007 00:18:04 -0800,
> [email protected] writted:
>
> >On 8 feb, 03:55, VainGlorious <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
>
> >> For instance, calling myself a "genius" is just a bit of fun
> >> self-aggrandizement. Have you noticed my pen name?
>
> >OK - I guess I had a preconception that jokes would be funny. Thanks
> >for clearing up the confusion.
>
> Your witty retorts have resulted in many a LOL.
Scratch, scratch. A saucer of milk for the antipodean gentleman?
B;
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on 8 Feb 2007 00:18:04 -0800,
> [email protected] writted:
>
> >On 8 feb, 03:55, VainGlorious <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
>
> >> For instance, calling myself a "genius" is just a bit of fun
> >> self-aggrandizement. Have you noticed my pen name?
>
> >OK - I guess I had a preconception that jokes would be funny. Thanks
> >for clearing up the confusion.
>
> Your witty retorts have resulted in many a LOL.
Scratch, scratch. A saucer of milk for the antipodean gentleman?
B;
Feb 8th 2007, 5:48 am
#93
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Re: PlastiC Mac
Mr Bartlett wrote:
> On 2007-02-07 05:56:49 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> said:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-02-06 17:18:17 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> said:
>>>
>>>> On 6 Feb 2007 04:24:42 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5 feb, 21:45, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:00:41 +0100, Martin <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always hated MACs too. They're more expensive for starters, and
>>>>>> generally have less computing power.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin made the same claim not so long ago. Why not see if you can
>>>>> make a more convincing case than he did?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> You could get two of them for one Mac and have money left over!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Makes sense. For a start the Mac Pro has TWO processors. (And faster
>>> ones)
>>>
>>> B;
>>>
>>
>> I think that you misread the specs as given that you deleted. It is
>> the PC with two processors and faster.
>
>
> No it isn't. Look again.
>
> Or, now I come to think about it - don't. I've been on this
> merry-go-round with Martin just recently - I can't be bothered to do it
> again. If you want to be wrong, go ahead.
>
> B;
"Mac Pro
2 GHz processor
1 GB RAM
250 GB hard drive
NVIDIA Graphics
20" monitor
16x dual layer DVD
Airport XTheme Wifi
PRICE $2948
From Dell computer web site:
Dell Dimension E521
Windows Vista Home Premium OS
2.13 GHz Intel Duo E6400 processor
1 GB RAM
250 GB hard drive
20" monitor
similar DVD read/write
NVIDIA graphics, similar capacities
Netgear Wireless Broadband Router
PRICE $1377"
As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
E6400 implies two processors.
Now what didn't I see?
> On 2007-02-07 05:56:49 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> said:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-02-06 17:18:17 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> said:
>>>
>>>> On 6 Feb 2007 04:24:42 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5 feb, 21:45, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:00:41 +0100, Martin <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always hated MACs too. They're more expensive for starters, and
>>>>>> generally have less computing power.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin made the same claim not so long ago. Why not see if you can
>>>>> make a more convincing case than he did?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> You could get two of them for one Mac and have money left over!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Makes sense. For a start the Mac Pro has TWO processors. (And faster
>>> ones)
>>>
>>> B;
>>>
>>
>> I think that you misread the specs as given that you deleted. It is
>> the PC with two processors and faster.
>
>
> No it isn't. Look again.
>
> Or, now I come to think about it - don't. I've been on this
> merry-go-round with Martin just recently - I can't be bothered to do it
> again. If you want to be wrong, go ahead.
>
> B;
"Mac Pro
2 GHz processor
1 GB RAM
250 GB hard drive
NVIDIA Graphics
20" monitor
16x dual layer DVD
Airport XTheme Wifi
PRICE $2948
From Dell computer web site:
Dell Dimension E521
Windows Vista Home Premium OS
2.13 GHz Intel Duo E6400 processor
1 GB RAM
250 GB hard drive
20" monitor
similar DVD read/write
NVIDIA graphics, similar capacities
Netgear Wireless Broadband Router
PRICE $1377"
As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
E6400 implies two processors.
Now what didn't I see?
Feb 8th 2007, 7:49 am
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Re: PlastiC Mac
"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
> E6400 implies two processors.
>
> Now what didn't I see?
It was that the CPU's were very, very different.
Simplistically, it was:
$1700 worth of Xeon 5100 "Woodcrest" dual-core 64bit CPU's (2 @ $850
each)
-vs-
$200 worth of E6400 "Core 2 Duo" dual-core 32bit CPU ($200 each)
This $1500 desparity in CPU wholesale costs accounts for 95% of the
difference in retail prices.
-hh
>
> As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
> E6400 implies two processors.
>
> Now what didn't I see?
It was that the CPU's were very, very different.
Simplistically, it was:
$1700 worth of Xeon 5100 "Woodcrest" dual-core 64bit CPU's (2 @ $850
each)
-vs-
$200 worth of E6400 "Core 2 Duo" dual-core 32bit CPU ($200 each)
This $1500 desparity in CPU wholesale costs accounts for 95% of the
difference in retail prices.
-hh
Feb 8th 2007, 7:57 am
#95
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Re: PlastiC Mac
On 2007-02-08 19:48:59 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> said:
>
>
> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>
>> On 2007-02-07 05:56:49 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> said:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2007-02-06 17:18:17 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6 Feb 2007 04:24:42 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 feb, 21:45, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:00:41 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've always hated MACs too. They're more expensive for starters, and
>>>>>>> generally have less computing power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin made the same claim not so long ago. Why not see if you can
>>>>>> make a more convincing case than he did?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> You could get two of them for one Mac and have money left over!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Makes sense. For a start the Mac Pro has TWO processors. (And faster ones)
>>>>
>>>> B;
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think that you misread the specs as given that you deleted. It is
>>> the PC with two processors and faster.
>>
>>
>> No it isn't. Look again.
>>
>> Or, now I come to think about it - don't. I've been on this
>> merry-go-round with Martin just recently - I can't be bothered to do it
>> again. If you want to be wrong, go ahead.
>>
>> B;
>
> "Mac Pro
> 2 GHz processor
> 1 GB RAM
> 250 GB hard drive
> NVIDIA Graphics
> 20" monitor
> 16x dual layer DVD
> Airport XTheme Wifi
>
> PRICE $2948
>
> From Dell computer web site:
>
> Dell Dimension E521
> Windows Vista Home Premium OS
> 2.13 GHz Intel Duo E6400 processor
> 1 GB RAM
> 250 GB hard drive
> 20" monitor
> similar DVD read/write
> NVIDIA graphics, similar capacities
> Netgear Wireless Broadband Router
>
> PRICE $1377"
>
> As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
> E6400 implies two processors.
>
> Now what didn't I see?
Google "Intel Duo E6400 processor"
then look at:
http://tinyurl.com/wr9yb
and particularly the bit that says:
"Every Mac Pro offers the incredible power of two 64-bit Dual-Core
Intel Xeon �Woodcrest� microprocessors."
B;
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<[email protected]> said:
>
>
> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>
>> On 2007-02-07 05:56:49 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> said:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2007-02-06 17:18:17 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6 Feb 2007 04:24:42 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 feb, 21:45, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:00:41 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've always hated MACs too. They're more expensive for starters, and
>>>>>>> generally have less computing power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin made the same claim not so long ago. Why not see if you can
>>>>>> make a more convincing case than he did?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> You could get two of them for one Mac and have money left over!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Makes sense. For a start the Mac Pro has TWO processors. (And faster ones)
>>>>
>>>> B;
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think that you misread the specs as given that you deleted. It is
>>> the PC with two processors and faster.
>>
>>
>> No it isn't. Look again.
>>
>> Or, now I come to think about it - don't. I've been on this
>> merry-go-round with Martin just recently - I can't be bothered to do it
>> again. If you want to be wrong, go ahead.
>>
>> B;
>
> "Mac Pro
> 2 GHz processor
> 1 GB RAM
> 250 GB hard drive
> NVIDIA Graphics
> 20" monitor
> 16x dual layer DVD
> Airport XTheme Wifi
>
> PRICE $2948
>
> From Dell computer web site:
>
> Dell Dimension E521
> Windows Vista Home Premium OS
> 2.13 GHz Intel Duo E6400 processor
> 1 GB RAM
> 250 GB hard drive
> 20" monitor
> similar DVD read/write
> NVIDIA graphics, similar capacities
> Netgear Wireless Broadband Router
>
> PRICE $1377"
>
> As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
> E6400 implies two processors.
>
> Now what didn't I see?
Google "Intel Duo E6400 processor"
then look at:
http://tinyurl.com/wr9yb
and particularly the bit that says:
"Every Mac Pro offers the incredible power of two 64-bit Dual-Core
Intel Xeon �Woodcrest� microprocessors."
B;
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Feb 8th 2007, 8:05 am
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Re: PlastiC Mac
Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
> Let is be knownst that on 8 Feb 2007 00:18:04 -0800,
> [email protected] writted:
>
> >On 8 feb, 03:55, VainGlorious <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> For instance, calling myself a "genius" is just a bit of fun
> >> self-aggrandizement. Have you noticed my pen name?
> >
> >OK - I guess I had a preconception that jokes would be funny. Thanks
> >for clearing up the confusion.
>
> Your witty retorts have resulted in many a LOL.
That's true, especially when Martin is working "in tandem" with Magda...
:-)
--
Best
Greg
> Let is be knownst that on 8 Feb 2007 00:18:04 -0800,
> [email protected] writted:
>
> >On 8 feb, 03:55, VainGlorious <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> For instance, calling myself a "genius" is just a bit of fun
> >> self-aggrandizement. Have you noticed my pen name?
> >
> >OK - I guess I had a preconception that jokes would be funny. Thanks
> >for clearing up the confusion.
>
> Your witty retorts have resulted in many a LOL.
That's true, especially when Martin is working "in tandem" with Magda...
:-)
--
Best
Greg
Feb 8th 2007, 8:09 am
#97
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Re: PlastiC Mac
Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mr Bartlett wrote:
[]
> "Mac Pro
> 2 GHz processor
> 1 GB RAM
> 250 GB hard drive
> NVIDIA Graphics
> 20" monitor
> 16x dual layer DVD
> Airport XTheme Wifi
>
> PRICE $2948
>
> From Dell computer web site:
>
> Dell Dimension E521
> Windows Vista Home Premium OS
> 2.13 GHz Intel Duo E6400 processor
> 1 GB RAM
> 250 GB hard drive
> 20" monitor
> similar DVD read/write
> NVIDIA graphics, similar capacities
> Netgear Wireless Broadband Router
>
> PRICE $1377"
>
> As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
> E6400 implies two processors.
>
> Now what didn't I see?
The same thing Barbara and Martin didn't. Jeez, this gets boring.
--
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David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Mr Bartlett wrote:
[]
> "Mac Pro
> 2 GHz processor
> 1 GB RAM
> 250 GB hard drive
> NVIDIA Graphics
> 20" monitor
> 16x dual layer DVD
> Airport XTheme Wifi
>
> PRICE $2948
>
> From Dell computer web site:
>
> Dell Dimension E521
> Windows Vista Home Premium OS
> 2.13 GHz Intel Duo E6400 processor
> 1 GB RAM
> 250 GB hard drive
> 20" monitor
> similar DVD read/write
> NVIDIA graphics, similar capacities
> Netgear Wireless Broadband Router
>
> PRICE $1377"
>
> As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
> E6400 implies two processors.
>
> Now what didn't I see?
The same thing Barbara and Martin didn't. Jeez, this gets boring.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Feb 8th 2007, 8:20 am
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Re: PlastiC Mac
Let is be knownst that on 8 Feb 2007 00:10:58 -0800,
[email protected] writted:
>On 7 feb, 23:16, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> Let is be knownst that on 7 Feb 2007 00:11:57 -0800,
>> [email protected] writted:
>>
>> >On 7 feb, 08:59, Deeply Filled Mortician
>> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >> Let is be knownst that on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:02:00 +0100, Martin
>> >> <[email protected]> writted:
>>
>> >> >Which is David and which is gRunge?
>> >> >http://www.apple.com/getamac/
>>
>> >> This marketing strategy for Macintosh is really pathetic.
>>
>> >Sorry, Deep - you aren't an audio/video genius, so your opinion is
>> >worthless.
>>
>> Did you read what I wrote?
>
>No - I noted it was not written by a genius, and passed on quickly to
>the words of wisdom from VileGormless.
>
>> (or what you wrote for that matter)
>
>God no - why would I do that?
I really don't understand why you would resort to such silly rubbish
to apparently defend a product that I wasn't even criticizing.
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[email protected] writted:
>On 7 feb, 23:16, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> Let is be knownst that on 7 Feb 2007 00:11:57 -0800,
>> [email protected] writted:
>>
>> >On 7 feb, 08:59, Deeply Filled Mortician
>> ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>> >> Let is be knownst that on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:02:00 +0100, Martin
>> >> <[email protected]> writted:
>>
>> >> >Which is David and which is gRunge?
>> >> >http://www.apple.com/getamac/
>>
>> >> This marketing strategy for Macintosh is really pathetic.
>>
>> >Sorry, Deep - you aren't an audio/video genius, so your opinion is
>> >worthless.
>>
>> Did you read what I wrote?
>
>No - I noted it was not written by a genius, and passed on quickly to
>the words of wisdom from VileGormless.
>
>> (or what you wrote for that matter)
>
>God no - why would I do that?
I really don't understand why you would resort to such silly rubbish
to apparently defend a product that I wasn't even criticizing.
--
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Feb 8th 2007, 9:48 am
#99
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Re: PlastiC Mac
Let is be knownst that on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:05:34 GMT, "Gregory
Morrow" <[email protected]> writted:
>
>Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on 8 Feb 2007 00:18:04 -0800,
>> [email protected] writted:
>>
>> >On 8 feb, 03:55, VainGlorious <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> For instance, calling myself a "genius" is just a bit of fun
>> >> self-aggrandizement. Have you noticed my pen name?
>> >
>> >OK - I guess I had a preconception that jokes would be funny. Thanks
>> >for clearing up the confusion.
>>
>> Your witty retorts have resulted in many a LOL.
>
>
>That's true, especially when Martin is working "in tandem" with Magda...
>
>:-)
Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
ignore that?
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Morrow" <[email protected]> writted:
>
>Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>
>> Let is be knownst that on 8 Feb 2007 00:18:04 -0800,
>> [email protected] writted:
>>
>> >On 8 feb, 03:55, VainGlorious <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> For instance, calling myself a "genius" is just a bit of fun
>> >> self-aggrandizement. Have you noticed my pen name?
>> >
>> >OK - I guess I had a preconception that jokes would be funny. Thanks
>> >for clearing up the confusion.
>>
>> Your witty retorts have resulted in many a LOL.
>
>
>That's true, especially when Martin is working "in tandem" with Magda...
>
>:-)
Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
ignore that?
--
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Feb 8th 2007, 10:01 am
#100
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Re: PlastiC Mac
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:57 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:
...
... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
... ignore that?
Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:
...
... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
... ignore that?
Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
Feb 8th 2007, 10:33 am
#101
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: PlastiC Mac
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:57:31 +0100, Mr Bartlett <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2007-02-08 19:48:59 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
><[email protected]> said:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-02-07 05:56:49 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>> <[email protected]> said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2007-02-06 17:18:17 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2007 04:24:42 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 feb, 21:45, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:00:41 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've always hated MACs too. They're more expensive for starters, and
>>>>>>>> generally have less computing power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martin made the same claim not so long ago. Why not see if you can
>>>>>>> make a more convincing case than he did?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> You could get two of them for one Mac and have money left over!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes sense. For a start the Mac Pro has TWO processors. (And faster ones)
>>>>>
>>>>> B;
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that you misread the specs as given that you deleted. It is
>>>> the PC with two processors and faster.
>>>
>>>
>>> No it isn't. Look again.
>>>
>>> Or, now I come to think about it - don't. I've been on this
>>> merry-go-round with Martin just recently - I can't be bothered to do it
>>> again. If you want to be wrong, go ahead.
>>>
>>> B;
>>
>> "Mac Pro
>> 2 GHz processor
>> 1 GB RAM
>> 250 GB hard drive
>> NVIDIA Graphics
>> 20" monitor
>> 16x dual layer DVD
>> Airport XTheme Wifi
>>
>> PRICE $2948
>>
>> From Dell computer web site:
>>
>> Dell Dimension E521
>> Windows Vista Home Premium OS
>> 2.13 GHz Intel Duo E6400 processor
>> 1 GB RAM
>> 250 GB hard drive
>> 20" monitor
>> similar DVD read/write
>> NVIDIA graphics, similar capacities
>> Netgear Wireless Broadband Router
>>
>> PRICE $1377"
>>
>> As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
>> E6400 implies two processors.
>>
>> Now what didn't I see?
>
>Google "Intel Duo E6400 processor"
>
>then look at:
>http://tinyurl.com/wr9yb
>and particularly the bit that says:
>"Every Mac Pro offers the incredible power of two 64-bit Dual-Core
>Intel Xeon �Woodcrest� microprocessors."
but is it USD1500 faster?
What is the effective improvement in performance of applications.
How many people really need or use this incredible power?
20 years ago I had the fastest PC in a department, an incredibly powerful 20 MHz
Compaq that had a list price of about EUR 9000.
--
Martin
>On 2007-02-08 19:48:59 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
><[email protected]> said:
>
>>
>>
>> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-02-07 05:56:49 +0100, "Frank F. Matthews"
>>> <[email protected]> said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr Bartlett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2007-02-06 17:18:17 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2007 04:24:42 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 feb, 21:45, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:00:41 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've always hated MACs too. They're more expensive for starters, and
>>>>>>>> generally have less computing power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martin made the same claim not so long ago. Why not see if you can
>>>>>>> make a more convincing case than he did?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> You could get two of them for one Mac and have money left over!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes sense. For a start the Mac Pro has TWO processors. (And faster ones)
>>>>>
>>>>> B;
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that you misread the specs as given that you deleted. It is
>>>> the PC with two processors and faster.
>>>
>>>
>>> No it isn't. Look again.
>>>
>>> Or, now I come to think about it - don't. I've been on this
>>> merry-go-round with Martin just recently - I can't be bothered to do it
>>> again. If you want to be wrong, go ahead.
>>>
>>> B;
>>
>> "Mac Pro
>> 2 GHz processor
>> 1 GB RAM
>> 250 GB hard drive
>> NVIDIA Graphics
>> 20" monitor
>> 16x dual layer DVD
>> Airport XTheme Wifi
>>
>> PRICE $2948
>>
>> From Dell computer web site:
>>
>> Dell Dimension E521
>> Windows Vista Home Premium OS
>> 2.13 GHz Intel Duo E6400 processor
>> 1 GB RAM
>> 250 GB hard drive
>> 20" monitor
>> similar DVD read/write
>> NVIDIA graphics, similar capacities
>> Netgear Wireless Broadband Router
>>
>> PRICE $1377"
>>
>> As far as I can tell 2,13 GHz is usually faster than 2 Hz. And a Duo
>> E6400 implies two processors.
>>
>> Now what didn't I see?
>
>Google "Intel Duo E6400 processor"
>
>then look at:
>http://tinyurl.com/wr9yb
>and particularly the bit that says:
>"Every Mac Pro offers the incredible power of two 64-bit Dual-Core
>Intel Xeon �Woodcrest� microprocessors."
but is it USD1500 faster?
What is the effective improvement in performance of applications.
How many people really need or use this incredible power?
20 years ago I had the fastest PC in a department, an incredibly powerful 20 MHz
Compaq that had a list price of about EUR 9000.
--
Martin
Feb 8th 2007, 10:34 am
#102
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: PlastiC Mac
Let is be knownst that on Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:01:39 +0100, Magda
<[email protected]> writted:
>On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:57 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this:
>
> ...
> ... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
> ... ignore that?
>
>Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
No, just the epic bits you guys created. Love threads, they might be
called.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
<[email protected]> writted:
>On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:57 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this:
>
> ...
> ... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
> ... ignore that?
>
>Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
No, just the epic bits you guys created. Love threads, they might be
called.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Feb 8th 2007, 10:46 am
#103
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: PlastiC Mac
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:34:15 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Let is be knownst that on Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:01:39 +0100, Magda
><[email protected]> writted:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:57 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>>this:
>>
>> ...
>> ... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
>> ... ignore that?
>>
>>Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
>
>No, just the epic bits you guys created. Love threads, they might be
>called.
You can filter out subthreads with Agent.
--
Martin
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Let is be knownst that on Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:01:39 +0100, Magda
><[email protected]> writted:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:57 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>>this:
>>
>> ...
>> ... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
>> ... ignore that?
>>
>>Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
>
>No, just the epic bits you guys created. Love threads, they might be
>called.
You can filter out subthreads with Agent.
--
Martin
Feb 8th 2007, 10:51 am
#104
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: PlastiC Mac
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:34:15 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:
... Let is be knownst that on Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:01:39 +0100, Magda
... <[email protected]> writted:
...
... >On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:57 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... >this:
... >
... > ...
... > ... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
... > ... ignore that?
... >
... >Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
...
... No, just the epic bits you guys created. Love threads, they might be
... called.
OTOH, they might not!
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:
... Let is be knownst that on Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:01:39 +0100, Magda
... <[email protected]> writted:
...
... >On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:57 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Deeply Filled Mortician
... ><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
... >this:
... >
... > ...
... > ... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
... > ... ignore that?
... >
... >Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
...
... No, just the epic bits you guys created. Love threads, they might be
... called.
OTOH, they might not!
Feb 8th 2007, 10:56 am
#105
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: PlastiC Mac
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:46:18 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Martin <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >> ... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
... >> ... ignore that?
... >>
... >>Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
... >
... >No, just the epic bits you guys created. Love threads, they might be
... >called.
...
... You can filter out subthreads with Agent.
*Or* he can killfile the two of us and be done moaning.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >> ... Back to the subject of newsreaders, is there one I can configure to
... >> ... ignore that?
... >>
... >>Yes. In Agent you click on Ignore Thread, et voil�.
... >
... >No, just the epic bits you guys created. Love threads, they might be
... >called.
...
... You can filter out subthreads with Agent.
*Or* he can killfile the two of us and be done moaning.
