Pizza or Pita, it is still European
Jun 8th 2005, 6:19 am
#61
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 7/06/05 15:36, in article
> [email protected] om,
> "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Africa gave birth to modern man, but the Euro-Asian continent is where
>> modern man matured."
>> **** off, racist.
> Not a racist comment nor was it meant to be. The truth is that are
> ancestors
> came from Africa, like around 80,000 yrs ago. Our ancestors developed in
> different ways, heading north they lost the skin pigmentation in order to
> profit from the a lower exposure so sun light. The Euro-Asian super
> continent populated early on, modern man replaced the Neanderthal by
> 30,000 years ago in Europe. North and South America received humans maybe
> 12,000-13,000 years ago.
> The Euro-Asian super-continent produced the grains, other plants and
> domestic animals. I think that only the turkey was domesticated from
> the Americas, although some plants were obtained. Central Africa
> represented
> a block to transference of new species from North to South. Virtually none
> of the large animals could be domesticated (Zebras, Rhinos, Hippos, etc),
> hunted by not domesticated. Still nobody has succeeded in saddling up
> a Rhino!
Racist. The "Europeans" were living in caves, and in filthy animal skins
when the Moors, were controlling most of modern Europe and celebrating
learning.. The "Europeans" were anti-bathing, up until the 1700's. The
Conquistador's did not conquer the Americas, the diseases, did. Killed
maybe 80% of the natives. Cortez had about 126 troops. Turkeys, tomatoes,
and potatoes are all from the Americas.
news:BECB7470.69E07%[email protected]...
> On 7/06/05 15:36, in article
> [email protected] om,
> "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Africa gave birth to modern man, but the Euro-Asian continent is where
>> modern man matured."
>> **** off, racist.
> Not a racist comment nor was it meant to be. The truth is that are
> ancestors
> came from Africa, like around 80,000 yrs ago. Our ancestors developed in
> different ways, heading north they lost the skin pigmentation in order to
> profit from the a lower exposure so sun light. The Euro-Asian super
> continent populated early on, modern man replaced the Neanderthal by
> 30,000 years ago in Europe. North and South America received humans maybe
> 12,000-13,000 years ago.
> The Euro-Asian super-continent produced the grains, other plants and
> domestic animals. I think that only the turkey was domesticated from
> the Americas, although some plants were obtained. Central Africa
> represented
> a block to transference of new species from North to South. Virtually none
> of the large animals could be domesticated (Zebras, Rhinos, Hippos, etc),
> hunted by not domesticated. Still nobody has succeeded in saddling up
> a Rhino!
Racist. The "Europeans" were living in caves, and in filthy animal skins
when the Moors, were controlling most of modern Europe and celebrating
learning.. The "Europeans" were anti-bathing, up until the 1700's. The
Conquistador's did not conquer the Americas, the diseases, did. Killed
maybe 80% of the natives. Cortez had about 126 troops. Turkeys, tomatoes,
and potatoes are all from the Americas.
Jun 8th 2005, 6:27 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
On 7/06/05 20:31, in article [email protected], "Richard"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find
>> a Hamburger in a traditional German restaurant! No, the
>> hamburger is American as Apple pie.
>
> You said that hamburgers, among others, had failed as world food.
In comparison with some other foods, principally the pizza,
the hamburger gets more publicity than it deserves.
When compared the "pizza" comes in may "flavors" and is capable
of excepting a wide spectrum of ingredients. In fact, McDonalds
recognized this gastronomic versatility and has tried to
expand hamburger compositions. I don't know about the USA,
but in France they have one which uses French mustard (Mac Delux,
I believe). They also run changes in their hamburgers probably
realizing that just a Big Mac or various combinations of cheeses.
Still the spectrum is not large.
They succeed since a Big Mac in Russia tastes the same a
Big Mac in San Berdoo (where McDonalds started). Pizzas
are not standard, there are good ones and bad ones.
Earl
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find
>> a Hamburger in a traditional German restaurant! No, the
>> hamburger is American as Apple pie.
>
> You said that hamburgers, among others, had failed as world food.
In comparison with some other foods, principally the pizza,
the hamburger gets more publicity than it deserves.
When compared the "pizza" comes in may "flavors" and is capable
of excepting a wide spectrum of ingredients. In fact, McDonalds
recognized this gastronomic versatility and has tried to
expand hamburger compositions. I don't know about the USA,
but in France they have one which uses French mustard (Mac Delux,
I believe). They also run changes in their hamburgers probably
realizing that just a Big Mac or various combinations of cheeses.
Still the spectrum is not large.
They succeed since a Big Mac in Russia tastes the same a
Big Mac in San Berdoo (where McDonalds started). Pizzas
are not standard, there are good ones and bad ones.
Earl
Jun 8th 2005, 6:38 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
Earl Evleth wrote:
They succeed since a Big Mac in Russia tastes the same a
Big Mac in San Berdoo (where McDonalds started).
McDonalds started in northern Illinois. My hometown had one of the
first in the mid50s.
George
They succeed since a Big Mac in Russia tastes the same a
Big Mac in San Berdoo (where McDonalds started).
McDonalds started in northern Illinois. My hometown had one of the
first in the mid50s.
George
Jun 8th 2005, 7:16 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
On 8/06/05 0:23, in article
1gxt7kw.1n32471476k14N%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com, "chancellor of
the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I dispute that. Danish hotdogs taste great!
>
> And Norwegian ones- I have a freezer half-filled with them! They're a
> bit like knockwurst IMO.
I like the French Cervelas, but sliced thin, served cold in oil with
raw onions. This used to be classic bistrot entrée plate but rare
now.
There are a large variety of salades. If you google up cervelas on
www.google.fr you'll get 11,000 hits.
The site http://www.supertoinette.com/fiches_...e_saucisse.htm
lists a number of "French" sausages. Not all, they don't list the saucisse
d'Auvergne.
Earl
1gxt7kw.1n32471476k14N%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com, "chancellor of
the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I dispute that. Danish hotdogs taste great!
>
> And Norwegian ones- I have a freezer half-filled with them! They're a
> bit like knockwurst IMO.
I like the French Cervelas, but sliced thin, served cold in oil with
raw onions. This used to be classic bistrot entrée plate but rare
now.
There are a large variety of salades. If you google up cervelas on
www.google.fr you'll get 11,000 hits.
The site http://www.supertoinette.com/fiches_...e_saucisse.htm
lists a number of "French" sausages. Not all, they don't list the saucisse
d'Auvergne.
Earl
Jun 8th 2005, 7:31 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
On 8/06/05 8:38, in article
[email protected] om, "george"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> McDonalds started in northern Illinois. My hometown had one of the
> first in the mid50s.
Nope, San Berdoo, all the way, from the late 40s. They were bought
out early and went national. You saw them at that stage.
There is a nice book on the whole story but I can't remember the name.
I read it years ago. I remember them coming in California (I was there
since the 30s) but can't remember when. I think the burgers went for
19 cents and weren't much. Before then, hamburger and hotdog stands
were mostly individual affairs. But Bob`s Restaurants, began in
Glendale did expand and they had a great real hamburger at that time.
My brother worked in a hotdog stand around 1940, 10 cents for a regular
and 12 cents for a chilidog. A movie was 10 cents and I had 25 cents
a week allowance.
Earl
****
(a bit of history)
Fontana man behind McDesign
By David Allen, Staff Writer
Yet McDonald's origins in San Berdoo County stretch back to 1948, when the
brothers opened their first burger stand.
So stick 57 candles, not 50, in that Hot Apple Pie.
Meston, who died in 1992 at age 82, is largely forgotten, perhaps because
McDonald's isn't known for its Big Mestons. But aficionados remember him as
co-creator of the Golden Arches.
"It was Meston working with the McDonald brothers,' said architecture critic
Alan Hess, who interviewed the principals for his book "Googie Redux'.
Hess continued: "It was Dick McDonald who had the idea of arches on the
building, and Meston and (Meston's draftsman Charles W.) Fish who integrated
them into the building, gave them shape and outlined them in neon.'
Which isn't to say Meston was thrilled about the arches.
"I think his attitude was: 'They're kind of silly, the client wants them,
why not?' It was a hamburger stand, that's all,' Fish told me by phone from
San Diego.
"Nobody had any idea what it would become. There might be two or three
built, and then the chain would die out.'
You're forgiven if you wish it had.
Whereas McDonald had come into Meston's 8233 Sierra Ave. office wanting a
single arch over the front, the final design had two arches: one on each
side of the building. That way, motorists in either direction would see
them, Fish said.
Meston incorporated red and white tile and put the plate-glass windows at an
angle, so the reflection of their headlights wouldn't blind motorists.
A large overhang protected customers ordering at the three service windows,
and "the roof sloped back to shed water,' he told the Los Angeles Times in
1989.
The second-ever McDonald's opened in Phoenix in 1953 and was the first to
use Meston's design.
Next came outlets in North Hollywood, Downey, Alhambra, Sacramento, Pomona
good ol' Pomona! and Azusa.
Enter Kroc, a milkshake-maker salesman. Impressed by the concept but
unimpressed by the brothers' business skills, he signed on to sell
franchises. And sell them he did.
In 1961, Kroc bought out the McDonald brothers for $2.7million. That year,
he also adopted a thinner version of Meston's Golden Arches as the company
logo.
Meston stayed in Fontana until 1964, when he joined a practice in L.A. Among
his local commissions: the Chino Civic Center in 1954, four Fontana schools,
Jurupa Hills, Randall, Pepper and Palmetto, and the creative arts buildings
at Chaffey College. (None had drive-throughs.)
Meston told the Times that he'd taken a flat fee of 8percent on the $35,000
job designing the restaurants.
"When people hear about the job,' Fish told me, "the first thought is,
'Aren't you rich?' I was a draftsman. I was working for $2.50 an hour. Hey,
I got paid. It was a case of 'who knew?''
Meston and Fish reunited in 1983 when the Downey McDonald's, the oldest
still in existence, was declared a state landmark, at critic Hess'
instigation. It has since been restored.
"It was a very original building,' Hess told me.
San Bernardino's original location is long gone, although an unofficial
McDonald's museum operates on the site.
Pomona's 1954 location ceased being a McDonald's in 1968 and is now AMA
Donuts. It stands at 1057 E. Mission Blvd.
Meston in later years was proud of his contribution to history. In 1952,
though, he was sheepish.
"I watched him shake his head every time it came up,' Ahrlen said. "Like 'I
don't want my name on this, but I have to.'' David Allen, who some days
feels the same way, writes for the Daily Bulletin. E-mail
[email protected] , call (909) 483-9339 or write 2041 E. Fourth St.,
Ontario 91764.
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[email protected] om, "george"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> McDonalds started in northern Illinois. My hometown had one of the
> first in the mid50s.
Nope, San Berdoo, all the way, from the late 40s. They were bought
out early and went national. You saw them at that stage.
There is a nice book on the whole story but I can't remember the name.
I read it years ago. I remember them coming in California (I was there
since the 30s) but can't remember when. I think the burgers went for
19 cents and weren't much. Before then, hamburger and hotdog stands
were mostly individual affairs. But Bob`s Restaurants, began in
Glendale did expand and they had a great real hamburger at that time.
My brother worked in a hotdog stand around 1940, 10 cents for a regular
and 12 cents for a chilidog. A movie was 10 cents and I had 25 cents
a week allowance.
Earl
****
(a bit of history)
Fontana man behind McDesign
By David Allen, Staff Writer
Yet McDonald's origins in San Berdoo County stretch back to 1948, when the
brothers opened their first burger stand.
So stick 57 candles, not 50, in that Hot Apple Pie.
Meston, who died in 1992 at age 82, is largely forgotten, perhaps because
McDonald's isn't known for its Big Mestons. But aficionados remember him as
co-creator of the Golden Arches.
"It was Meston working with the McDonald brothers,' said architecture critic
Alan Hess, who interviewed the principals for his book "Googie Redux'.
Hess continued: "It was Dick McDonald who had the idea of arches on the
building, and Meston and (Meston's draftsman Charles W.) Fish who integrated
them into the building, gave them shape and outlined them in neon.'
Which isn't to say Meston was thrilled about the arches.
"I think his attitude was: 'They're kind of silly, the client wants them,
why not?' It was a hamburger stand, that's all,' Fish told me by phone from
San Diego.
"Nobody had any idea what it would become. There might be two or three
built, and then the chain would die out.'
You're forgiven if you wish it had.
Whereas McDonald had come into Meston's 8233 Sierra Ave. office wanting a
single arch over the front, the final design had two arches: one on each
side of the building. That way, motorists in either direction would see
them, Fish said.
Meston incorporated red and white tile and put the plate-glass windows at an
angle, so the reflection of their headlights wouldn't blind motorists.
A large overhang protected customers ordering at the three service windows,
and "the roof sloped back to shed water,' he told the Los Angeles Times in
1989.
The second-ever McDonald's opened in Phoenix in 1953 and was the first to
use Meston's design.
Next came outlets in North Hollywood, Downey, Alhambra, Sacramento, Pomona
good ol' Pomona! and Azusa.
Enter Kroc, a milkshake-maker salesman. Impressed by the concept but
unimpressed by the brothers' business skills, he signed on to sell
franchises. And sell them he did.
In 1961, Kroc bought out the McDonald brothers for $2.7million. That year,
he also adopted a thinner version of Meston's Golden Arches as the company
logo.
Meston stayed in Fontana until 1964, when he joined a practice in L.A. Among
his local commissions: the Chino Civic Center in 1954, four Fontana schools,
Jurupa Hills, Randall, Pepper and Palmetto, and the creative arts buildings
at Chaffey College. (None had drive-throughs.)
Meston told the Times that he'd taken a flat fee of 8percent on the $35,000
job designing the restaurants.
"When people hear about the job,' Fish told me, "the first thought is,
'Aren't you rich?' I was a draftsman. I was working for $2.50 an hour. Hey,
I got paid. It was a case of 'who knew?''
Meston and Fish reunited in 1983 when the Downey McDonald's, the oldest
still in existence, was declared a state landmark, at critic Hess'
instigation. It has since been restored.
"It was a very original building,' Hess told me.
San Bernardino's original location is long gone, although an unofficial
McDonald's museum operates on the site.
Pomona's 1954 location ceased being a McDonald's in 1968 and is now AMA
Donuts. It stands at 1057 E. Mission Blvd.
Meston in later years was proud of his contribution to history. In 1952,
though, he was sheepish.
"I watched him shake his head every time it came up,' Ahrlen said. "Like 'I
don't want my name on this, but I have to.'' David Allen, who some days
feels the same way, writes for the Daily Bulletin. E-mail
[email protected] , call (909) 483-9339 or write 2041 E. Fourth St.,
Ontario 91764.
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Jun 8th 2005, 8:17 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 06:19:51 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Bill McKee"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Racist. The "Europeans" were living in caves, and in filthy animal skins
... when the Moors, were controlling most of modern Europe and celebrating
... learning.. The "Europeans" were anti-bathing, up until the 1700's.
NOT TRUE. Until the XIIth century (at least) they were very clean and public bath houses
were everywhere.
The
... Conquistador's did not conquer the Americas, the diseases, did. Killed
... maybe 80% of the natives. Cortez had about 126 troops. Turkeys, tomatoes,
... and potatoes are all from the Americas.
Corn isn't ?
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Racist. The "Europeans" were living in caves, and in filthy animal skins
... when the Moors, were controlling most of modern Europe and celebrating
... learning.. The "Europeans" were anti-bathing, up until the 1700's.
NOT TRUE. Until the XIIth century (at least) they were very clean and public bath houses
were everywhere.
The
... Conquistador's did not conquer the Americas, the diseases, did. Killed
... maybe 80% of the natives. Cortez had about 126 troops. Turkeys, tomatoes,
... and potatoes are all from the Americas.
Corn isn't ?
Jun 8th 2005, 8:37 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> writes:
> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:45:54 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:44:46 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On 7/06/05 15:30, in article [email protected],
> >>"Christian Seitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Well, of course, Europe takes the world leadership
> >>>> in food. Hotdog, Hamburgers and donuts have failed
> >>>> as a world food.
> >>>
> >>> Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
> >>> fast food is of german origin.
> >>
> >>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
> >
> >It explains that it tastes like shit outside Germany.
>
> I dispute that. Danish hotdogs taste great!
Swedish chorizo (med senap, förstås) from a Stockholm gatukök!
Des
> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:45:54 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:44:46 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On 7/06/05 15:30, in article [email protected],
> >>"Christian Seitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Well, of course, Europe takes the world leadership
> >>>> in food. Hotdog, Hamburgers and donuts have failed
> >>>> as a world food.
> >>>
> >>> Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
> >>> fast food is of german origin.
> >>
> >>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
> >
> >It explains that it tastes like shit outside Germany.
>
> I dispute that. Danish hotdogs taste great!
Swedish chorizo (med senap, förstås) from a Stockholm gatukök!
Des
Jun 8th 2005, 9:07 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] eenews.net...
> > "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > Seriously. How can you claim a lack of success when
> > > it's so easy to see how wide-spread restaurants like
> > > McDonald's, Burger King and countless knock-offs
> > > have become?
> > Are you seriously calling them restaurants ?
> I see two possible reasons for this question:
> 1- You're a pedant who's caught up on the fact that in a McDonald's,
there's
> no waiter to bring your food to the table, you have to do it yourself. If
> this is the case then I've no interest in discussing the topic, we'll have
> to agree to disagree.
No. 1 is the correct reason - I would more accurately refer to McD, Bk etc
as FastFood joints.
> 2- You dislike the food so much and/or think it's of such inferior quality
> to what you normally eat, that you have issues using the same word to
refer
> to both places like McDonald's and places where you might go for a meal.
I actually love McD, but like Wendy's more.
> If #2 is the case, then I'd refer you to your nearest dictionary, where
you
> will see that the definition of restaurant makes no attempt to exclude
> establishments based on the characteristics of the food they prepare.
> If you asked your question for a reason other than those I've covered, I'd
> be interested to hear it.
It was partly an attempt to wind you up :-)
news:[email protected]...
> "Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] eenews.net...
> > "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > Seriously. How can you claim a lack of success when
> > > it's so easy to see how wide-spread restaurants like
> > > McDonald's, Burger King and countless knock-offs
> > > have become?
> > Are you seriously calling them restaurants ?
> I see two possible reasons for this question:
> 1- You're a pedant who's caught up on the fact that in a McDonald's,
there's
> no waiter to bring your food to the table, you have to do it yourself. If
> this is the case then I've no interest in discussing the topic, we'll have
> to agree to disagree.
No. 1 is the correct reason - I would more accurately refer to McD, Bk etc
as FastFood joints.
> 2- You dislike the food so much and/or think it's of such inferior quality
> to what you normally eat, that you have issues using the same word to
refer
> to both places like McDonald's and places where you might go for a meal.
I actually love McD, but like Wendy's more.
> If #2 is the case, then I'd refer you to your nearest dictionary, where
you
> will see that the definition of restaurant makes no attempt to exclude
> establishments based on the characteristics of the food they prepare.
> If you asked your question for a reason other than those I've covered, I'd
> be interested to hear it.
It was partly an attempt to wind you up :-)
Jun 8th 2005, 9:34 am
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> The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find a Hamburger in a
> traditional German restaurant! No, the hamburger is American as
> Apple pie.
Frikadelle is the traditional name for a hamburger equivallent
in germany. Local names like fleischkuechle, -pflanzerl are
also used. Restaurants typically serve them with potatoes and
vegetables.
Christian Seitz
> traditional German restaurant! No, the hamburger is American as
> Apple pie.
Frikadelle is the traditional name for a hamburger equivallent
in germany. Local names like fleischkuechle, -pflanzerl are
also used. Restaurants typically serve them with potatoes and
vegetables.
Christian Seitz
Jun 8th 2005, 9:47 am
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Following up to Earl Evleth
>> Factory farmed salmon?
>
>Not by preference but what is the choice these days?
the alternative is probably to wipe out the salmon.
--
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>> Factory farmed salmon?
>
>Not by preference but what is the choice these days?
the alternative is probably to wipe out the salmon.
--
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Jun 8th 2005, 9:47 am
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Following up to Martin
>>> Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
>>> fast food is of german origin.
>>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
>It explains that it tastes like shit outside Germany.
hot dogs are certainly shit in UK, unless you find the occasional
authentic German seller.
--
Mike Reid
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>>> Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
>>> fast food is of german origin.
>>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
>It explains that it tastes like shit outside Germany.
hot dogs are certainly shit in UK, unless you find the occasional
authentic German seller.
--
Mike Reid
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Jun 8th 2005, 10:05 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to Martin
>
> >>> Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
> >>> fast food is of german origin.
> >>
> >>
> >>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
> >
> >It explains that it tastes like shit outside Germany.
>
> hot dogs are certainly shit in UK, unless you find the occasional
> authentic German seller.
You can buy imported german hotdogs at both the Aldi and Lidl chains.
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> Following up to Martin
>
> >>> Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
> >>> fast food is of german origin.
> >>
> >>
> >>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
> >
> >It explains that it tastes like shit outside Germany.
>
> hot dogs are certainly shit in UK, unless you find the occasional
> authentic German seller.
You can buy imported german hotdogs at both the Aldi and Lidl chains.
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Jun 8th 2005, 10:07 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7/06/05 20:31, in article [email protected], "Richard"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find
> >> a Hamburger in a traditional German restaurant! No, the
> >> hamburger is American as Apple pie.
> >
> > You said that hamburgers, among others, had failed as world food.
>
> In comparison with some other foods, principally the pizza,
> the hamburger gets more publicity than it deserves.
But it surely hasn't failed as a 'world food' by definition- i.e. you
can get it almost anywhere.
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> On 7/06/05 20:31, in article [email protected], "Richard"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find
> >> a Hamburger in a traditional German restaurant! No, the
> >> hamburger is American as Apple pie.
> >
> > You said that hamburgers, among others, had failed as world food.
>
> In comparison with some other foods, principally the pizza,
> the hamburger gets more publicity than it deserves.
But it surely hasn't failed as a 'world food' by definition- i.e. you
can get it almost anywhere.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jun 8th 2005, 11:15 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
Earl Evleth wrote:
> On 7/06/05 17:21, in article [email protected], "Richard"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
>>The lack is not real, it only exists in the confines of your imagination.
>>Seriously. How can you claim a lack of success when it's so easy to see how
>>wide-spread restaurants like McDonald's, Burger King and countless
>>knock-offs have become?
>
>
>
> The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find a Hamburger in a
> traditional German restaurant! No, the hamburger is American as
> Apple pie.
>
> Next, world wide pizzas outsell hamburgers 10 to 1.
>
> Here is an article which appeared in Le Parisien last fall.
>
>
> On craque tous pour la pizza !
>
> Regina, margherita... La pizza fait un carton en France avec un marché en
> croissance annuelle de 15 %. Les grandes enseignes se battent pour conquérir
> nos assiettes tandis que les pizzaïolos authentiques font de la résistance.
>
> NOUS mangeons deux fois plus de pizzas que les Italiens ! Chaque année,
> margherita, reine et autres calzone génèrent ainsi un chiffre d'affaires de
> 2,35 milliards d'euros en France. Contrairement aux idées reçues, cette pâte
> à base de sauce tomate et de mozzarella est de loin le plat préféré de la
Interesting that it mentions pizza made with mozzarella. Here in the
Aude it's hard to find pizza made with anything other than emmental. In
our local shop they have mozzarella as a choice but even if you ask for
it you will still get emmental melted on top of it unless you
specifically ask for only mozzarella. A new pizza shop and restaurant
has opened in Rennes les Bains featuring Italian style pizza (as they
call it); it's made with mozzarella, and they also have pepperoni. Happy
me. In general, this restaurant is a welcome addition to the area. I had
their chicken salad there yesterday and it was superb. Athe chicken had
been freshly poached to make the salad, the greens were fresh and crisp.
I complemented the cook and he just smiled and said that he just tried
to make everything taste good. What a concept...
But, back to pita. I was in Paris about a month ago and happened to have
a sandwich on pita bread. I was surprised that the bread wasn't used as
a pocket as it is in the US. I'm used to having the pita bread cut open
along the edge about halfway around and the sandwich filling stuffed
into it - hence the name "pocket" sandwiches. The sandwich I had (at
Pompidou Centre I think) was made with two pieces of pita bread.
> On 7/06/05 17:21, in article [email protected], "Richard"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
>>The lack is not real, it only exists in the confines of your imagination.
>>Seriously. How can you claim a lack of success when it's so easy to see how
>>wide-spread restaurants like McDonald's, Burger King and countless
>>knock-offs have become?
>
>
>
> The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find a Hamburger in a
> traditional German restaurant! No, the hamburger is American as
> Apple pie.
>
> Next, world wide pizzas outsell hamburgers 10 to 1.
>
> Here is an article which appeared in Le Parisien last fall.
>
>
> On craque tous pour la pizza !
>
> Regina, margherita... La pizza fait un carton en France avec un marché en
> croissance annuelle de 15 %. Les grandes enseignes se battent pour conquérir
> nos assiettes tandis que les pizzaïolos authentiques font de la résistance.
>
> NOUS mangeons deux fois plus de pizzas que les Italiens ! Chaque année,
> margherita, reine et autres calzone génèrent ainsi un chiffre d'affaires de
> 2,35 milliards d'euros en France. Contrairement aux idées reçues, cette pâte
> à base de sauce tomate et de mozzarella est de loin le plat préféré de la
Interesting that it mentions pizza made with mozzarella. Here in the
Aude it's hard to find pizza made with anything other than emmental. In
our local shop they have mozzarella as a choice but even if you ask for
it you will still get emmental melted on top of it unless you
specifically ask for only mozzarella. A new pizza shop and restaurant
has opened in Rennes les Bains featuring Italian style pizza (as they
call it); it's made with mozzarella, and they also have pepperoni. Happy
me. In general, this restaurant is a welcome addition to the area. I had
their chicken salad there yesterday and it was superb. Athe chicken had
been freshly poached to make the salad, the greens were fresh and crisp.
I complemented the cook and he just smiled and said that he just tried
to make everything taste good. What a concept...
But, back to pita. I was in Paris about a month ago and happened to have
a sandwich on pita bread. I was surprised that the bread wasn't used as
a pocket as it is in the US. I'm used to having the pita bread cut open
along the edge about halfway around and the sandwich filling stuffed
into it - hence the name "pocket" sandwiches. The sandwich I had (at
Pompidou Centre I think) was made with two pieces of pita bread.
Jun 8th 2005, 11:28 am
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Re: Pizza or Pita, it is still European
On 8/06/05 11:34, in article [email protected],
"Christian Seitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find a Hamburger in a
>> traditional German restaurant! No, the hamburger is American as
>> Apple pie.
>
> Frikadelle is the traditional name for a hamburger equivallent
> in germany. Local names like fleischkuechle, -pflanzerl are
> also used. Restaurants typically serve them with potatoes and
> vegetables.
>
> Christian Seitz
But not served between two buns. The French have a "hamburger de cheval"
which is a ground meat patty with an egg on top. But an American
hamburger it ain't.
Earl
"Christian Seitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find a Hamburger in a
>> traditional German restaurant! No, the hamburger is American as
>> Apple pie.
>
> Frikadelle is the traditional name for a hamburger equivallent
> in germany. Local names like fleischkuechle, -pflanzerl are
> also used. Restaurants typically serve them with potatoes and
> vegetables.
>
> Christian Seitz
But not served between two buns. The French have a "hamburger de cheval"
which is a ground meat patty with an egg on top. But an American
hamburger it ain't.
Earl