Richard

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
    > > fast food is of german origin.

    > Then that explains its lack of world wide success

The lack is not real, it only exists in the confines of your imagination.

Seriously. How can you claim a lack of success when it's so easy to see how
wide-spread restaurants like McDonald's, Burger King and countless
knock-offs have become?

For what it's worth, I don't often eat at places like that, but to deny
their success is just a variation on that troll who would come around here
proclaiming that the whole world would rid itself of all its cars in a
year's time.

Richard

Miss L. Toe

"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:09:00 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin
<[email protected]> arranged
    > some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... Gawd Magda, I thought we were going to get a forecast of imminent
    > ... global warming from Mixi, for a moment. :-)
    > ...
    > ... Nominal June warming would be much appreciated in these parts.
    > 16°C right now. I'm in Heaven and staying there !

Pass me the Frenchman when you've finished with him ....

Miss L. Toe

"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:BECB716E.69E05%[email protected]...
    > > > Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
    > > > fast food is of german origin.
    > > Then that explains its lack of world wide success
    > The lack is not real, it only exists in the confines of your imagination.
    > Seriously. How can you claim a lack of success when it's so easy to see
how
    > wide-spread restaurants like McDonald's, Burger King and countless
    > knock-offs have become?


Are you seriously calling them restaurants ?
Or are you a troll ?

Emilia

Des Small wrote:
    > emilia <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >
    >>Miss L. Toe wrote:
    >>>"emilia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>Donuts ARE European!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>>DoUGHnuts are European.
    >>>Donuts are merkan.
    >>Don't be silly, they are the same thing.
    >>Anyway, what's "merkan"?
    >>Is that something to do with Switzyland?
    >
    >
    > Which reminds me to ask: do they sell "cheese holes" (à la donut
    > holes) in the Switzyland?
    >
    > Des

I have no idea where that place is.

Yorick

Earl Evleth wrote:
    > On 7/06/05 9:41, in article [email protected],
    > "Yorick" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> How about Indo-European? Like the languagesi The spread of
    >>> food cultures is Euro-Asian, this being a large
    >>> super continent. The spread types of domestic animals
    >>> and grain crops occurred in this continent. Africa gave
    >>> birth to modern man, but the Euro-Asian continent is
    >>> where modern man matured.
    >>> Earl
    >> Duh. What a stupid argument.
    >> Yorick.
    > Yorick was known as an empty skulled stage prop.
    > Earl

Very original. You're repeating yourself.

Fact is you'll be a skeleton long before me, and your skull is already a lot
more empty right now.

Don't you have another interesting weather report to post?

Yorick.

Earl Evleth

On 7/06/05 17:21, in article [email protected], "Richard"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Then that explains its lack of world wide success
    >
    > The lack is not real, it only exists in the confines of your imagination.
    >
    > Seriously. How can you claim a lack of success when it's so easy to see how
    > wide-spread restaurants like McDonald's, Burger King and countless
    > knock-offs have become?


The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find a Hamburger in a
traditional German restaurant! No, the hamburger is American as
Apple pie.

Next, world wide pizzas outsell hamburgers 10 to 1.

Here is an article which appeared in Le Parisien last fall.


On craque tous pour la pizza !

Regina, margherita... La pizza fait un carton en France avec un marché en
croissance annuelle de 15 %. Les grandes enseignes se battent pour conquérir
nos assiettes tandis que les pizzaïolos authentiques font de la résistance.

NOUS mangeons deux fois plus de pizzas que les Italiens ! Chaque année,
margherita, reine et autres calzone génèrent ainsi un chiffre d'affaires de
2,35 milliards d'euros en France. Contrairement aux idées reçues, cette pâte
à base de sauce tomate et de mozzarella est de loin le plat préféré de la
restauration rapide : pour trente-cinq pizzas vendues, il ne se vend qu'un
hamburger et seulement huit sandwichs. Il passe même devant le steak-frites.

« On dit souvent que la recette du succès repose sur l'alliance de la sauce
tomate, de la mobylette et du portefeuille », lance Julien Panet*, le
président de l'Association des pizzerias de France qui vient de révéler ces
chiffres.

Un marché tout feu tout flamme. Dans ce contexte et au moment où la cuisine
« fast-food » à la mode McDonald's est attaquée, le marché de la pizza fait
feu de tout bois avec une croissance de 15 à 20 % par an. « Quatre pizzas
sur dix sont consommées chez les 15 000 restaurateurs spécialisés, reprend
Fadi Saad, l'organisateur du premier salon Europizza qui se tiendra début
juin à l'espace Champerret. Les livreurs de pizzas comme l'américain Pizza
Hut ou le français Speed Rabbit, qui se livrent une bataille acharnée,
représentent désormais près d'un quart des ventes. » *Le reste est entre les
mains de grands groupes comme Sodebo (plus de la moitié des ventes dans les
hypermarchés avec un chiffre d'affaires de 372 millions d'euros en 2003).
Les appétits des grandes enseignes s'aiguisent. Pour le patron de
l'Association des pizzerias de France, ce filon a encore de beaux jours
devant lui. Domino's Pizza prévoit d'ouvrir 130 points supplémentaires d'ici
à quatre ans. Pizza Del Arte table sur l'ouverture de dix à quinze
restaurants par an pour arriver à 250 en 2010. « La France offre encore un
beau potentiel de croissance, explique avec gourmandise Christian du Jardin,
directeur marketing de Pizza Hut. Actuellement, les consommateurs viennent
acheter une pizza par mois. C'est la raison pour laquelle nous avons
récemment décidé de baisser nos prix. »

La vraie pizza , ça se respecte. Pour abaisser les coûts, les chaînes comme
Pizza Hut ont créé des standards de fabrication identiques aux quatre coins
de la planète. *En outre, les pizzerias trouvent maintenant auprès de leurs
fournisseurs de la pâte déjà préparée, des pizzas précuites déjà nappées de
sauce tomate auxquelles il faut ajouter les quelques ingrédients qui feront
la différence.... Un blasphème aux yeux des purs et durs , qui ne jurent que
par la vraie pâte faite maison. « On ne s'improvise pas pizzaïolo du jour au
lendemain, s'exclame Luigi, Napolitain qui tient un restaurant dans le XIV e
arrondissement à Paris. La pizza , ça se respecte ! Et je ne parle même pas
des conditions d'hygiène dans certains établissements. On devrait créer un
label pour gardiens de la tradition ancestrale de la pizza ... »

Earl Evleth

On 7/06/05 18:21, in article [email protected],
"Yorick" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Fact is you'll be a skeleton long before me, and your skull is already a lot
    > more empty right now.


Never bet on who will die first.

As for brain content, you'll have to get to work demonstrating yours!
Historically, you've not posted enough to be judged.

Yorick

Earl Evleth wrote:
    > On 7/06/05 18:21, in article [email protected],
    > "Yorick" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Fact is you'll be a skeleton long before me, and your skull is already a
    >> lot more empty right now.
    > Never bet on who will die first.

I'd take that bet :P

    > As for brain content, you'll have to get to work demonstrating yours!
    > Historically, you've not posted enough to be judged.

Hahahahahahaha. Who are you? The usenet intelligence guard? I do not need to
be judged. I know myself well enough.
But historically, you have proven yourself to be a regular poster of
off-topic nonense.

Where's you weather report? Thinking of it, wouldn't it be a good idea if
everyone that reads this newsgroup posts a daily update on their local
weather? That way we'd all be informed.

Yorick.

Patrick Wallace

This is interesting. We've just had a HUGE hooha in the UK about junk
food served as school meals, as a result of the Thatcher government's
abandonment of nutritional specifications and sub-contracting to
commercial companies. Jamie Oliver did a TV series about it, and for
all the school meals I hated in the 50s and 60s, this was a horrifying
eye-opener: not least the difficulty persuading not only the children,
but also their parents, of the damage they were doing both to health
and educational standards with so much crap on the menus.

www.channel4.com/schooldinners

PJW

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:40:08 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Well, of course, Europe takes the world leadership
    >in food. Hotdog, Hamburgers and donuts have failed
    >as a world food.
    >One finds in France, some sandwiches made using pit bread.
    >Some are made from American type bread, some from regular
    >baguettes although variations of those kinds exist.
    >Some use a softer bread, pain au lait (made with milk)
    >or pain de mie.
    >Coca cola, however is "in".
    >Earl
    >*****
    >
    >From pizza to pita
    >U.S. schools try to get healthy
    >OVERLAND PARK, Kansas (Reuters) -- When Annette Evanson sends her son off to
    >elementary school each day, she packs him a lunch stocked with carrot
    >sticks, whole-grain bread and fresh fruit.
    >She considers it a defensive move. "They serve the kids corn dogs and hot
    >dogs at school," said Evanson, who lives in suburban Overland Park, Kansas.
    >"It just mimics fast food. What kind of example are we giving to the kids?"
    >Indeed, concerns about unhealthy eating at schools and evidence of mounting
    >obesity and illness in America's young people has triggered a new kind of
    >food fight in U.S. school cafeterias.
    >The front line has been a battle against sugar-laden soda pop in school
    >vending machines, but now a growing army that includes parents, physicians
    >and government officials is working to wipe out such lunchroom staples as
    >cheese pizza, corndogs and french fries. They also want to stop teachers
    >from handing out candy in classrooms.
    >"The whole school food environment has spiraled out of control," said Margo
    >Wootan, director of nutrition policy for Center for Science in the Public
    >Interest.
    >Onslaught of opposition
    >Opposition to change is strong. Many school leaders say kids reject
    >unfamiliar foods and demand mainstays like burgers, fries and hot dogs. They
    >say they need the money vending machine contracts provide. Teachers also are
    >balking, claiming children are more eager to learn if offered candy and
    >pizza parties.
    >The beverage industry, notably Coca-Cola Co. and Pepsi Bottling Group , are
    >also active in the debate, dispatching lobbyists to defend sales of sodas in
    >schools.
    >An onslaught of such opposition killed a bill proposed in Kansas this year
    >that would have required healthy foods and drinks in school vending machines
    >and would have banned teachers from handing out candy as a reward for
    >schoolwork.
    >"There is resistance to change and it is at many levels," said Amy Lanou,
    >senior nutrition scientist at Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.
    >"We're a long way off from serving healthy foods to kids in schools." Still,
    >with a firm push from the federal level, including the Centers for Disease
    >Control, the USDA and the U.S. Surgeon General, advocates of change say they
    >are making progress.
    >Connecticut last week became the first U.S. state to pass a ban on selling
    >sugar-based sodas in schools. Similar bills were introduced in 17 others
    >states this year.
    >On the food front, changes are largely being made school by school. Some
    >changes are small: In some schools, pizza now is topped with low-fat cheese
    >and french fries are baked, not fried.
    >Other changes are more significant: Kentucky is limiting sales of Pizza Hut
    >products in cafeterias; Buffalo, New York, schools are giving prizes to kids
    >who eat lots of fruits and vegetables; and in Sarasota, Florida, whole wheat
    >bread and veggie pita sandwiches accompany several salad options.
    >Some are even going gourmet. The Marblehead Community Charter Public School
    >in Massachusetts menu includes vegetable ratatouille, roasted butternut
    >squash and spinach salad.
    >"We're starting to build some momentum, but there is so much that needs to
    >be done," said Alicia Moag-Stahlberg, executive director of the national
    >advocacy group Action for Healthy Kids.
    >Weighty statistics
    >The efforts to turn schools into healthy eating spots has been spurred by
    >reports from the medical community that America's children are growing
    >markedly fatter and sicker.
    >According to the Centers for Disease Control, the number of overweight
    >children ages 6 to 11 has more than doubled in the last 20 years while the
    >number of overweight children ages 12-19 has more than tripled. Equally
    >troubling, related health problems, including Type 2 diabetes, are
    >increasingly being seen in children and adolescents.
    >Because of the range of concerns, the reauthorization last year of the
    >federal Child Nutrition Act requires every school district that receives
    >federal funds to establish a local wellness policy by June 30, 2006.
    >And new U.S. dietary guidelines released in January will force many school
    >districts to revamp menus to incorporate more whole grains and fresh fruits
    >and vegetables.
    >The USDA is also pushing schools to improve. The agency is currently
    >requesting data on the nutritional quality of meals at 400 U.S. schools to
    >see if improvements have been made since the last such study, which found
    >that only a minority of U.S. schools actually met recommended standards.
    >"It has become particularly important that we make healthful choices for our
    >children in schools," said Roberto Salazar, administrator for the USDA Food
    >Nutrition Service, which oversees the National School Lunch and School
    >Breakfast. "We want them (schools) to go above and beyond."
    >Copyright 2005 Reuters . All rights reserved.This material may not be
    >published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
    >*
    >

Magda

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:38:39 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:[email protected]...
... > On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:09:00 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Martin
... <[email protected]> arranged
... > some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... >
... > ... Gawd Magda, I thought we were going to get a forecast of imminent
... > ... global warming from Mixi, for a moment. :-)
... > ...
... > ... Nominal June warming would be much appreciated in these parts.
... >
... > 16°C right now. I'm in Heaven and staying there !
... >
...
... Pass me the Frenchman when you've finished with him ....

I gave up on the Frenchmen many years ago, Missy... You are not paying attention.

Magda

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:21:06 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Richard" <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:BECB716E.69E05%[email protected]...
...
... > > Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
... > > fast food is of german origin.
...
... > Then that explains its lack of world wide success
...
... The lack is not real, it only exists in the confines of your imagination.
...
... Seriously. How can you claim a lack of success when it's so easy to see how
... wide-spread restaurants like McDonald's, Burger King and countless
... knock-offs have become?

This is not a thread about the Black Death, Richard...

Richard

"Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] eenews.net...

    > "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    > > Seriously. How can you claim a lack of success when
    > > it's so easy to see how wide-spread restaurants like
    > > McDonald's, Burger King and countless knock-offs
    > > have become?

    > Are you seriously calling them restaurants ?

I see two possible reasons for this question:

1- You're a pedant who's caught up on the fact that in a McDonald's, there's
no waiter to bring your food to the table, you have to do it yourself. If
this is the case then I've no interest in discussing the topic, we'll have
to agree to disagree.

2- You dislike the food so much and/or think it's of such inferior quality
to what you normally eat, that you have issues using the same word to refer
to both places like McDonald's and places where you might go for a meal.

If #2 is the case, then I'd refer you to your nearest dictionary, where you
will see that the definition of restaurant makes no attempt to exclude
establishments based on the characteristics of the food they prepare.

If you asked your question for a reason other than those I've covered, I'd
be interested to hear it.

Richard

Richard

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BECB97F1.69E42%[email protected]...

    > The Hamburger may be German by name but try to find
    > a Hamburger in a traditional German restaurant! No, the
    > hamburger is American as Apple pie.

You said that hamburgers, among others, had failed as world food. They may
be as American as apple pie but they're available just about anywhere.
Whether they're served in traditional German (or Dutch, or Japanese or
Chilean...) restaurants isn't relevant.

Richard

Deep Foiled Malls

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:45:54 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:44:46 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >>On 7/06/05 15:30, in article [email protected],
    >>"Christian Seitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> Well, of course, Europe takes the world leadership
    >>>> in food. Hotdog, Hamburgers and donuts have failed
    >>>> as a world food.
    >>>
    >>> Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
    >>> fast food is of german origin.
    >>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
    >It explains that it tastes like shit outside Germany.

I dispute that. Danish hotdogs taste great!
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Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    > On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:45:54 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:44:46 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
    > >wrote:
    > >
    > >>On 7/06/05 15:30, in article [email protected],
    > >>"Christian Seitz" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>> Well, of course, Europe takes the world leadership
    > >>>> in food. Hotdog, Hamburgers and donuts have failed
    > >>>> as a world food.
    > >>>
    > >>> Nah Hotdogs are WW1 freedom fries AFAIK. Most american
    > >>> fast food is of german origin.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Then that explains its lack of world wide success
    > >
    > >It explains that it tastes like shit outside Germany.
    >
    > I dispute that. Danish hotdogs taste great!

And Norwegian ones- I have a freezer half-filled with them! They're a
bit like knockwurst IMO.

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