Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
Jun 4th 2005, 6:03 am
#46
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
Go Fig wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Since the Olympics are always a net loss, you have to try to link them
>>to something, no matter how bogus.
>
> This is how it works in practise, first comes the appeal to 'civic
> pride' then it's the 'needed' gentrification... a new roadway, new
> airport, new subway... then its the stadiums and all they bring and
> finally they float the idea that people when be coming to your city for
> the next 20 years because of what they saw "Games".
But isn't it the case that Barcelona did well out of the games, both in
terms of infrastructure and a PR boost? One of the main reason that I
oppose the London bid is precisely that they resolutely vowed not to
tinker with the Tube, which is deeply in need of having money
(intelligently) thrown at it.
Des
> In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Since the Olympics are always a net loss, you have to try to link them
>>to something, no matter how bogus.
>
> This is how it works in practise, first comes the appeal to 'civic
> pride' then it's the 'needed' gentrification... a new roadway, new
> airport, new subway... then its the stadiums and all they bring and
> finally they float the idea that people when be coming to your city for
> the next 20 years because of what they saw "Games".
But isn't it the case that Barcelona did well out of the games, both in
terms of infrastructure and a PR boost? One of the main reason that I
oppose the London bid is precisely that they resolutely vowed not to
tinker with the Tube, which is deeply in need of having money
(intelligently) thrown at it.
Des
Jun 4th 2005, 7:22 am
#47
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
In article <[email protected]>, Des Small
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Go Fig wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>Since the Olympics are always a net loss, you have to try to link them
> >>to something, no matter how bogus.
> >
> > This is how it works in practise, first comes the appeal to 'civic
> > pride' then it's the 'needed' gentrification... a new roadway, new
> > airport, new subway... then its the stadiums and all they bring and
> > finally they float the idea that people when be coming to your city for
> > the next 20 years because of what they saw "Games".
>
> But isn't it the case that Barcelona did well out of the games, both in
> terms of infrastructure and a PR boost?
Yes it did, but it is the exception. Expenditures were equal to income,
but only a government can survive with that accounting model.
But the taxpayers of Spain did foot the bill for about 20% of the
investment. Is it fair to ask the people of Madrid to subsidise all
the benefits in infrastructure to Barcelona ?
They were, at least, reasonably good shepherds of the monies entrusted
to them... particularly with operational expenditures.
> One of the main reason that I
> oppose the London bid is precisely that they resolutely vowed not to
> tinker with the Tube, which is deeply in need of having money
> (intelligently) thrown at it.
Are the people of London going to pay for it, or the greater UK tax
base ?
jay
Sat Jun 04, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
> Des
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Go Fig wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>Since the Olympics are always a net loss, you have to try to link them
> >>to something, no matter how bogus.
> >
> > This is how it works in practise, first comes the appeal to 'civic
> > pride' then it's the 'needed' gentrification... a new roadway, new
> > airport, new subway... then its the stadiums and all they bring and
> > finally they float the idea that people when be coming to your city for
> > the next 20 years because of what they saw "Games".
>
> But isn't it the case that Barcelona did well out of the games, both in
> terms of infrastructure and a PR boost?
Yes it did, but it is the exception. Expenditures were equal to income,
but only a government can survive with that accounting model.
But the taxpayers of Spain did foot the bill for about 20% of the
investment. Is it fair to ask the people of Madrid to subsidise all
the benefits in infrastructure to Barcelona ?
They were, at least, reasonably good shepherds of the monies entrusted
to them... particularly with operational expenditures.
> One of the main reason that I
> oppose the London bid is precisely that they resolutely vowed not to
> tinker with the Tube, which is deeply in need of having money
> (intelligently) thrown at it.
Are the people of London going to pay for it, or the greater UK tax
base ?
jay
Sat Jun 04, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
> Des
Jun 4th 2005, 9:12 pm
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:49:32 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> wrote:
>
> >Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
> >> writes:
> >>
> >> > It's not bogus. What the hell do you know about it?
> >>
> >> I see a lot of people losing time and money whenever the Olympics come
> >> to town. A few people get rich, everyone else suffers (including, in
> >> many cases, the taxpayers).
> >
> >You didn't answer the question.
>
> My Greek dentist told me that it would take at least two generations
> to pay off the debts incurred by holding the Olympic Games in Athens,
I'm sure it probably will, but I'm interested in why the proposed urban
regeneration deprived areas of London is supposed to be "bogus" exactly,
and all Mixi has in 'evidence' is that other host countries lose money.
well, duh. Does he have evidence it's fraudulent- it's not going to
happen? No, and besides, if urban regeneration of that part of London
'lost' money (given taxpayers are always ultimately involved in these
kinds of regeneration projects) that may be neither here nor there
anyway.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:49:32 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> wrote:
>
> >Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
> >> writes:
> >>
> >> > It's not bogus. What the hell do you know about it?
> >>
> >> I see a lot of people losing time and money whenever the Olympics come
> >> to town. A few people get rich, everyone else suffers (including, in
> >> many cases, the taxpayers).
> >
> >You didn't answer the question.
>
> My Greek dentist told me that it would take at least two generations
> to pay off the debts incurred by holding the Olympic Games in Athens,
I'm sure it probably will, but I'm interested in why the proposed urban
regeneration deprived areas of London is supposed to be "bogus" exactly,
and all Mixi has in 'evidence' is that other host countries lose money.
well, duh. Does he have evidence it's fraudulent- it's not going to
happen? No, and besides, if urban regeneration of that part of London
'lost' money (given taxpayers are always ultimately involved in these
kinds of regeneration projects) that may be neither here nor there
anyway.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jun 5th 2005, 2:00 am
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
Go Fig <[email protected]> writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Des Small
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Go Fig wrote:
> > > In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >>Since the Olympics are always a net loss, you have to try to link them
> > >>to something, no matter how bogus.
> > >
> > > This is how it works in practise, first comes the appeal to 'civic
> > > pride' then it's the 'needed' gentrification... a new roadway, new
> > > airport, new subway... then its the stadiums and all they bring and
> > > finally they float the idea that people when be coming to your city for
> > > the next 20 years because of what they saw "Games".
> >
> > But isn't it the case that Barcelona did well out of the games, both in
> > terms of infrastructure and a PR boost?
>
> Yes it did, but it is the exception. Expenditures were equal to income,
> but only a government can survive with that accounting model.
>
> But the taxpayers of Spain did foot the bill for about 20% of the
> investment. Is it fair to ask the people of Madrid to subsidise all
> the benefits in infrastructure to Barcelona ?
Yes.
> They were, at least, reasonably good shepherds of the monies entrusted
> to them... particularly with operational expenditures.
>
>
> > One of the main reason that I oppose the London bid is precisely
> > that they resolutely vowed not to tinker with the Tube, which is
> > deeply in need of having money (intelligently) thrown at it.
>
> Are the people of London going to pay for it, or the greater UK tax
> base ?
For what? I live in Bristol, but I would not object to my taxes being
spent on the Tube, which I use, as they are on motorways up and down
the country, which I mostly don't.
Des
> In article <[email protected]>, Des Small
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Go Fig wrote:
> > > In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >>Since the Olympics are always a net loss, you have to try to link them
> > >>to something, no matter how bogus.
> > >
> > > This is how it works in practise, first comes the appeal to 'civic
> > > pride' then it's the 'needed' gentrification... a new roadway, new
> > > airport, new subway... then its the stadiums and all they bring and
> > > finally they float the idea that people when be coming to your city for
> > > the next 20 years because of what they saw "Games".
> >
> > But isn't it the case that Barcelona did well out of the games, both in
> > terms of infrastructure and a PR boost?
>
> Yes it did, but it is the exception. Expenditures were equal to income,
> but only a government can survive with that accounting model.
>
> But the taxpayers of Spain did foot the bill for about 20% of the
> investment. Is it fair to ask the people of Madrid to subsidise all
> the benefits in infrastructure to Barcelona ?
Yes.
> They were, at least, reasonably good shepherds of the monies entrusted
> to them... particularly with operational expenditures.
>
>
> > One of the main reason that I oppose the London bid is precisely
> > that they resolutely vowed not to tinker with the Tube, which is
> > deeply in need of having money (intelligently) thrown at it.
>
> Are the people of London going to pay for it, or the greater UK tax
> base ?
For what? I live in Bristol, but I would not object to my taxes being
spent on the Tube, which I use, as they are on motorways up and down
the country, which I mostly don't.
Des
Jun 5th 2005, 5:57 am
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:22:15 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>Are the people of London going to pay for it, or the greater UK tax
>base ?
The current funding proposals are UK Lottery and London Council Tax.
So no general taxation other than for London residents.
Jim.
>Are the people of London going to pay for it, or the greater UK tax
>base ?
The current funding proposals are UK Lottery and London Council Tax.
So no general taxation other than for London residents.
Jim.
Jun 5th 2005, 6:30 am
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"Well, people will stlll be coming to London, Paris, Madrid, NYC or
Moscow. They're hardly out of the way destinations. I don't see your
point."
England should put money into the London Tube and into economic
development in the Midlands cities. Forget stadiums.
"The regeneration in Manchester just because of the _Commonwealth_
Games was pretty significant, and proved a real boost to the city."
It was probably 10% or less than the cost of hosting a real Olympics.
Here in New York, I don't know a single person who wants the Olympics.
We're hoping some European city gets suckered into hosting it. The
construction projects would create massive disruptions for city
residents for months if not years leading up to the games, and our
taxes are high enough without having to pay off Olympics debt. Who
really cares about the Olympics anymore anyway, with ten different 24-7
sports channels on the telly? What sport would anyone want to watch
that you can't watch normally - synchronized diving? team handball?
ribbon gymnastics?
Moscow. They're hardly out of the way destinations. I don't see your
point."
England should put money into the London Tube and into economic
development in the Midlands cities. Forget stadiums.
"The regeneration in Manchester just because of the _Commonwealth_
Games was pretty significant, and proved a real boost to the city."
It was probably 10% or less than the cost of hosting a real Olympics.
Here in New York, I don't know a single person who wants the Olympics.
We're hoping some European city gets suckered into hosting it. The
construction projects would create massive disruptions for city
residents for months if not years leading up to the games, and our
taxes are high enough without having to pay off Olympics debt. Who
really cares about the Olympics anymore anyway, with ten different 24-7
sports channels on the telly? What sport would anyone want to watch
that you can't watch normally - synchronized diving? team handball?
ribbon gymnastics?
Jun 5th 2005, 7:01 am
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"For lack of a better word, it comes down to the 'prestige' of being a
Host City... being in the club."
Which is not worth billions of dollars in debt. If transportation
improvements and other infrastructure projects are important, then just
build them and forget the useless stadiums and athlete housing.
Atlanta, Seoul, and Salt Lake City haven't exactly become tourist
destinations. Barcelona is the one arguable case of a city that raised
its profile by hosting an Olympics - although it's certainly possible
that it would have become a major destination anyway. But the argument
that the Olympics give a city visibility definitely wouldn't apply to
Paris, London, Madrid, or New York.
Host City... being in the club."
Which is not worth billions of dollars in debt. If transportation
improvements and other infrastructure projects are important, then just
build them and forget the useless stadiums and athlete housing.
Atlanta, Seoul, and Salt Lake City haven't exactly become tourist
destinations. Barcelona is the one arguable case of a city that raised
its profile by hosting an Olympics - although it's certainly possible
that it would have become a major destination anyway. But the argument
that the Olympics give a city visibility definitely wouldn't apply to
Paris, London, Madrid, or New York.
Jun 5th 2005, 3:43 pm
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
Mxsmanic wrote:
> I see a lot of people losing time and money whenever the Olympics come
> to town. A few people get rich, everyone else suffers (including, in
> many cases, the taxpayers).
Canadian taxpayers are still paying for the 1976 Montreal Games...
The Olympics is a nice idea on paper, but really it's an idea now that is as
passe as holding a World's Fair (remember them?). There is really no reason
to hold them anymore, other sporting events/venues can easily take their
place...
And since the focus these days seems to be on the "professional" (read:
"commercial") aspect of sport, let private entities pay for any "Olympics",
the public doesn't need still more of their money poured down a rat hole...
--
Best
Greg
> I see a lot of people losing time and money whenever the Olympics come
> to town. A few people get rich, everyone else suffers (including, in
> many cases, the taxpayers).
Canadian taxpayers are still paying for the 1976 Montreal Games...
The Olympics is a nice idea on paper, but really it's an idea now that is as
passe as holding a World's Fair (remember them?). There is really no reason
to hold them anymore, other sporting events/venues can easily take their
place...
And since the focus these days seems to be on the "professional" (read:
"commercial") aspect of sport, let private entities pay for any "Olympics",
the public doesn't need still more of their money poured down a rat hole...
--
Best
Greg
Jun 5th 2005, 3:45 pm
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
> nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:49:32 +0100, [email protected]
> > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
> > >> writes:
> > >>
> > >> > It's not bogus. What the hell do you know about it?
> > >>
> > >> I see a lot of people losing time and money whenever the Olympics
come
> > >> to town. A few people get rich, everyone else suffers (including, in
> > >> many cases, the taxpayers).
> > >
> > >You didn't answer the question.
> >
> > My Greek dentist told me that it would take at least two generations
> > to pay off the debts incurred by holding the Olympic Games in Athens,
> I'm sure it probably will, but I'm interested in why the proposed urban
> regeneration deprived areas of London is supposed to be "bogus" exactly,
> and all Mixi has in 'evidence' is that other host countries lose money.
> well, duh. Does he have evidence it's fraudulent- it's not going to
> happen? No, and besides, if urban regeneration of that part of London
> 'lost' money (given taxpayers are always ultimately involved in these
> kinds of regeneration projects) that may be neither here nor there
> anyway.
Hey, let London hold the Olympics in the Millenium Dome! ;-p
--
Best
Greg
> nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:49:32 +0100, [email protected]
> > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
> > >> writes:
> > >>
> > >> > It's not bogus. What the hell do you know about it?
> > >>
> > >> I see a lot of people losing time and money whenever the Olympics
come
> > >> to town. A few people get rich, everyone else suffers (including, in
> > >> many cases, the taxpayers).
> > >
> > >You didn't answer the question.
> >
> > My Greek dentist told me that it would take at least two generations
> > to pay off the debts incurred by holding the Olympic Games in Athens,
> I'm sure it probably will, but I'm interested in why the proposed urban
> regeneration deprived areas of London is supposed to be "bogus" exactly,
> and all Mixi has in 'evidence' is that other host countries lose money.
> well, duh. Does he have evidence it's fraudulent- it's not going to
> happen? No, and besides, if urban regeneration of that part of London
> 'lost' money (given taxpayers are always ultimately involved in these
> kinds of regeneration projects) that may be neither here nor there
> anyway.
Hey, let London hold the Olympics in the Millenium Dome! ;-p
--
Best
Greg
Jun 5th 2005, 3:47 pm
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<[email protected]> wrote:
> Here in New York, I don't know a single person who wants the Olympics.
> We're hoping some European city gets suckered into hosting it. The
> construction projects would create massive disruptions for city
> residents for months if not years leading up to the games, and our
> taxes are high enough without having to pay off Olympics debt. Who
> really cares about the Olympics anymore anyway, with ten different 24-7
> sports channels on the telly? What sport would anyone want to watch
> that you can't watch normally - synchronized diving? team handball?
> ribbon gymnastics?
Well said!
--
Best
Greg
> Here in New York, I don't know a single person who wants the Olympics.
> We're hoping some European city gets suckered into hosting it. The
> construction projects would create massive disruptions for city
> residents for months if not years leading up to the games, and our
> taxes are high enough without having to pay off Olympics debt. Who
> really cares about the Olympics anymore anyway, with ten different 24-7
> sports channels on the telly? What sport would anyone want to watch
> that you can't watch normally - synchronized diving? team handball?
> ribbon gymnastics?
Well said!
--
Best
Greg
Jun 5th 2005, 4:19 pm
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
> Well, people will stlll be coming to London, Paris, Madrid, NYC or
> Moscow. They're hardly out of the way destinations. I don't see your
> point. The regeneration in Manchester just because of the _Commonwealth_
> Games was pretty significant, and proved a real boost to the city.
But David the UK is a rich country and Manchester's situation was improving
in any case...
I can see the Olympics being a "prestige" event that proclaims a country as
finally being an equal contender on the world stage, e.g. Tokyo 1964 but for
any developed nation it's really a waste of time and money. Sports venues
are nice, but they are really a luxury for the few paid for by the taxes of
the many. There is *no* economic value accruing to a city or region from
holding professional sporting events...in fact professional sports teams,
facilities, etc. are *always* a money - loser...
Let private business pay the price for any professional sporting
events/infrastructure, us taxpayers are sick and tired of subsidising
wealthy team owners, etc. etc....
A city like New York needs to spend those billions on a direct rail link to
JFK airport, London's subways need re - building, Paris needs to pay
attention to it's poorer citizens in the suburbs...no taxpayer money needs
to be spent on sports.
--
Best
Greg
> Well, people will stlll be coming to London, Paris, Madrid, NYC or
> Moscow. They're hardly out of the way destinations. I don't see your
> point. The regeneration in Manchester just because of the _Commonwealth_
> Games was pretty significant, and proved a real boost to the city.
But David the UK is a rich country and Manchester's situation was improving
in any case...
I can see the Olympics being a "prestige" event that proclaims a country as
finally being an equal contender on the world stage, e.g. Tokyo 1964 but for
any developed nation it's really a waste of time and money. Sports venues
are nice, but they are really a luxury for the few paid for by the taxes of
the many. There is *no* economic value accruing to a city or region from
holding professional sporting events...in fact professional sports teams,
facilities, etc. are *always* a money - loser...
Let private business pay the price for any professional sporting
events/infrastructure, us taxpayers are sick and tired of subsidising
wealthy team owners, etc. etc....
A city like New York needs to spend those billions on a direct rail link to
JFK airport, London's subways need re - building, Paris needs to pay
attention to it's poorer citizens in the suburbs...no taxpayer money needs
to be spent on sports.
--
Best
Greg
Jun 8th 2005, 7:03 am
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
Garbage taken out.
Donna Evleth
> From: "Runge" <[email protected]>
> Organization: les newsgroups par Wanadoo
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:29:43 +0200
> Subject: Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
>
>
> "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> BEC48F53.68146%[email protected]...
>> from
>>
>> http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a.../01/c6292.html
>>
>> PARIS Overwhelmingly the People's Choice as 2012 Olympics Host City
>> The majority of consumers in 38 countries give Paris the nod
>>
>>
>> "The majority of respondents in 27 out of 38 markets surveyed chose
>> Paris as their preferred host for the Olympic Games in 2012, followed by
>> Madrid and London as their joint second," said Janice Jackson, Senior
>> Vice-President,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Choices of Asia Pacific
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Australia Paris Paris Paris & New York
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> China Paris London London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Hong Kong Paris Paris Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> India Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Indonesia Paris London Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Japan Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Korea Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Malaysia Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> New Zealand Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Philippines Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Singapore Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Taiwan Paris London London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Thailand None of them Paris & London Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Asia-Pacific Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> North and South America make different choices.
>> New York is first choice in the North, while Paris is first choice in
>> the
>> South.
>> South Africa goes with London.
>>
>> Choices of North America
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> US New York London London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Canada New York Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> North America New York London London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Choices of Latin America
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Brazil Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Chile None of them Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Mexico Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Latin America Paris Paris Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Choices of South Africa
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> South Africa London Paris Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> In Europe, Madrid gains secondary preferences.
>> Eight countries choose Madrid as either first or second choice.
>>
>> Choices of Europe
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Austria Paris Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Belgium Paris Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Denmark Paris Paris New York
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Finland Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> France Paris Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Germany Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Greece Paris Madrid Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Ireland London Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Italy Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Netherlands Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Norway Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Poland Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Portugal Madrid Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Russia Moscow Paris Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Spain Madrid Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Sweden Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Switzerland Paris Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Turkey None of them Madrid Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> UK London Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Europe Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Donna Evleth
> From: "Runge" <[email protected]>
> Organization: les newsgroups par Wanadoo
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:29:43 +0200
> Subject: Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
>
>
> "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
> BEC48F53.68146%[email protected]...
>> from
>>
>> http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a.../01/c6292.html
>>
>> PARIS Overwhelmingly the People's Choice as 2012 Olympics Host City
>> The majority of consumers in 38 countries give Paris the nod
>>
>>
>> "The majority of respondents in 27 out of 38 markets surveyed chose
>> Paris as their preferred host for the Olympic Games in 2012, followed by
>> Madrid and London as their joint second," said Janice Jackson, Senior
>> Vice-President,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Choices of Asia Pacific
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Australia Paris Paris Paris & New York
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> China Paris London London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Hong Kong Paris Paris Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> India Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Indonesia Paris London Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Japan Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Korea Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Malaysia Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> New Zealand Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Philippines Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Singapore Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Taiwan Paris London London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Thailand None of them Paris & London Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Asia-Pacific Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> North and South America make different choices.
>> New York is first choice in the North, while Paris is first choice in
>> the
>> South.
>> South Africa goes with London.
>>
>> Choices of North America
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> US New York London London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Canada New York Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> North America New York London London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Choices of Latin America
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Brazil Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Chile None of them Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Mexico Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Latin America Paris Paris Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Choices of South Africa
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> South Africa London Paris Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> In Europe, Madrid gains secondary preferences.
>> Eight countries choose Madrid as either first or second choice.
>>
>> Choices of Europe
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Country First Choice Second Choice Third Choice
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Austria Paris Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Belgium Paris Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Denmark Paris Paris New York
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Finland Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> France Paris Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Germany Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Greece Paris Madrid Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Ireland London Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Italy Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Netherlands Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Norway Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Poland Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Portugal Madrid Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Russia Moscow Paris Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Spain Madrid Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Sweden Paris Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Switzerland Paris Madrid London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Turkey None of them Madrid Paris
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> UK London Paris Madrid
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Europe Paris Paris London
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Jun 9th 2005, 10:59 am
#58
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Re: Paris the world's choice for the 2012 Olympics
In article <[email protected] .net>,
"Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
> Canadian taxpayers are still paying for the 1976 Montreal Games...
>
> The Olympics is a nice idea on paper, but really it's an idea now that is as
> passe as holding a World's Fair (remember them?). There is really no reason
> to hold them anymore, other sporting events/venues can easily take their
> place...
>
> And since the focus these days seems to be on the "professional" (read:
> "commercial") aspect of sport, let private entities pay for any "Olympics",
> the public doesn't need still more of their money poured down a rat hole...
And yet, civic institutions, including municipal, state and national
govts. rush to get their bids in.
"Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
> Canadian taxpayers are still paying for the 1976 Montreal Games...
>
> The Olympics is a nice idea on paper, but really it's an idea now that is as
> passe as holding a World's Fair (remember them?). There is really no reason
> to hold them anymore, other sporting events/venues can easily take their
> place...
>
> And since the focus these days seems to be on the "professional" (read:
> "commercial") aspect of sport, let private entities pay for any "Olympics",
> the public doesn't need still more of their money poured down a rat hole...
And yet, civic institutions, including municipal, state and national
govts. rush to get their bids in.
