Paris trip tips.
#1
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Just return from a 2 week visit in Paris. Below are some tips for
Paris newbies.
1. From CDG to the city, if you have many pieces of luggage of have
heavy luggage, I would advise against taking RER into the city. You
may be OK getting to the RER from CDG, but when transfering to metro
from RER, it usually involves a long walk, many stairs and it could be
very tiring. Instead, take the Air France shuttle to the nearest stop
to your hotel, then hail a taxi to the hotel.
2. If you stay in Paris from Monday-Sunday, buy the orange card.
It's only 13.50 Euros for the week. A single metro ticket is 1 Euro.
When going from one place that involves many metro changes, minimize
the transfer even though it may look like it's a longer trip.
Transfering between metro lines is quite tiring because of the stairs
and long walk especially in large station such as Chatelet/Les Halles,
Montparnasse, Etoile. Your pass is also good for the furnicular in
Monmartre.
3. Don't eat your hotel breakfast, instead go to the local
cafe/bistro for a lot less.
4. Have your hotel booked in advance, it's no fun to lug luggages
from one hotel to another.
5. Get the telecarte (phone card). You are going to need it if you
want to eat at your restaurant especially if reservation is required.
Most decent restaurants need reservation since most have only one
sitting. Also, telecarte can be used on some internet ready computer
in the super market like monoprix.
6. Buy your museum ticket in advance if you plan to visit Musee
D'Orsay. I was there 2 sunday ago, the wait time was over one hour.
Louvre is not bad if you don't go in thru the main entrance.
7. If you plan to take train to leave Paris, you can always get a
discount (25%) if there at least 2 passangers traveling together. If
you travel during the blue period, it is even less. You can even get
discount on international train fare. There are automatic train
ticket machine, but they are a bit complicated for me to use, so just
use the ticket window when making the purchase.
8. If you buy things, try to buy it from a store that has "detaxe"
facillity. If you spend more 175 euro in a single store on the same
day, you may claim VAT refund when you leave EU (there are some
expection on goods that can be claimed). The procedure is simple.
The store fills the documentation in an open envelope. When you leave
EU, present the form to the custom for a stamp on the form. The
custom stamps the form and keep a copy, you keep another one, send the
remaining (forgot the color) in the store-provided envelope to the pre
printed address if the store use those VAT refund agencies. The store
envelope has prepaid postage. I don't know the protocol of sending
the form if there is no address on the store provided envelope.
9. Most restaurants close on Sunday and Monday or August.
10. Enjoy the city, don't do too much!
I have fun, it was not so obvious on my first visit, but after the
second visit, I start to enjoy Paris tremendously and to notice little
thing about Paris that I never noticed before.
eddy
P.S. Learn the language if you can. Some Parisians are rude, so are
some tourists.
Paris newbies.
1. From CDG to the city, if you have many pieces of luggage of have
heavy luggage, I would advise against taking RER into the city. You
may be OK getting to the RER from CDG, but when transfering to metro
from RER, it usually involves a long walk, many stairs and it could be
very tiring. Instead, take the Air France shuttle to the nearest stop
to your hotel, then hail a taxi to the hotel.
2. If you stay in Paris from Monday-Sunday, buy the orange card.
It's only 13.50 Euros for the week. A single metro ticket is 1 Euro.
When going from one place that involves many metro changes, minimize
the transfer even though it may look like it's a longer trip.
Transfering between metro lines is quite tiring because of the stairs
and long walk especially in large station such as Chatelet/Les Halles,
Montparnasse, Etoile. Your pass is also good for the furnicular in
Monmartre.
3. Don't eat your hotel breakfast, instead go to the local
cafe/bistro for a lot less.
4. Have your hotel booked in advance, it's no fun to lug luggages
from one hotel to another.
5. Get the telecarte (phone card). You are going to need it if you
want to eat at your restaurant especially if reservation is required.
Most decent restaurants need reservation since most have only one
sitting. Also, telecarte can be used on some internet ready computer
in the super market like monoprix.
6. Buy your museum ticket in advance if you plan to visit Musee
D'Orsay. I was there 2 sunday ago, the wait time was over one hour.
Louvre is not bad if you don't go in thru the main entrance.
7. If you plan to take train to leave Paris, you can always get a
discount (25%) if there at least 2 passangers traveling together. If
you travel during the blue period, it is even less. You can even get
discount on international train fare. There are automatic train
ticket machine, but they are a bit complicated for me to use, so just
use the ticket window when making the purchase.
8. If you buy things, try to buy it from a store that has "detaxe"
facillity. If you spend more 175 euro in a single store on the same
day, you may claim VAT refund when you leave EU (there are some
expection on goods that can be claimed). The procedure is simple.
The store fills the documentation in an open envelope. When you leave
EU, present the form to the custom for a stamp on the form. The
custom stamps the form and keep a copy, you keep another one, send the
remaining (forgot the color) in the store-provided envelope to the pre
printed address if the store use those VAT refund agencies. The store
envelope has prepaid postage. I don't know the protocol of sending
the form if there is no address on the store provided envelope.
9. Most restaurants close on Sunday and Monday or August.
10. Enjoy the city, don't do too much!
I have fun, it was not so obvious on my first visit, but after the
second visit, I start to enjoy Paris tremendously and to notice little
thing about Paris that I never noticed before.
eddy
P.S. Learn the language if you can. Some Parisians are rude, so are
some tourists.
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[email protected] (E. Tan) wrote:
> Just return from a 2 week visit in Paris. Below are some tips for
> Paris newbies.
Here's my take on Paris:
http://www.geocities.com/iconoc/ParisImp.html
Regulars in this Group have already seen it.
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> Just return from a 2 week visit in Paris. Below are some tips for
> Paris newbies.
Here's my take on Paris:
http://www.geocities.com/iconoc/ParisImp.html
Regulars in this Group have already seen it.
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"E. Tan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just return from a 2 week visit in Paris. Below are some tips for
> Paris newbies.
> 9. Most restaurants close on Sunday and Monday or August.
So where do people eat on Sundays and Mondays, and during August?
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> Just return from a 2 week visit in Paris. Below are some tips for
> Paris newbies.
> 9. Most restaurants close on Sunday and Monday or August.
So where do people eat on Sundays and Mondays, and during August?
--
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http://www.bestofitaly2001.com Italy Travelogue
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Thanks Eddy,
I read this newsgroup all the time, but rarely take the time to express thanks. We will have a couple of days in Paris after leaving Italy in March - they are unexpected, but necessary because of our return ticket to DFW - so I have to start from scratch knowing very little about Paris. Your information was handy and practical and just what I needed.
What hotel did you stay in? We are searching out 2 and 3 stars that people on the board have recommended, but some prices have escalted since their stay!
Carol
I read this newsgroup all the time, but rarely take the time to express thanks. We will have a couple of days in Paris after leaving Italy in March - they are unexpected, but necessary because of our return ticket to DFW - so I have to start from scratch knowing very little about Paris. Your information was handy and practical and just what I needed.
What hotel did you stay in? We are searching out 2 and 3 stars that people on the board have recommended, but some prices have escalted since their stay!
Carol
Originally posted by E. Tan
Just return from a 2 week visit in Paris. Below are some tips for
Paris newbies.
1. From CDG to the city, if you have many pieces of luggage of have
heavy luggage, I would advise against taking RER into the city. You
may be OK getting to the RER from CDG, but when transfering to metro
from RER, it usually involves a long walk, many stairs and it could be
very tiring. Instead, take the Air France shuttle to the nearest stop
to your hotel, then hail a taxi to the hotel.
2. If you stay in Paris from Monday-Sunday, buy the orange card.
It's only 13.50 Euros for the week. A single metro ticket is 1 Euro.
When going from one place that involves many metro changes, minimize
the transfer even though it may look like it's a longer trip.
Transfering between metro lines is quite tiring because of the stairs
and long walk especially in large station such as Chatelet/Les Halles,
Montparnasse, Etoile. Your pass is also good for the furnicular in
Monmartre.
3. Don't eat your hotel breakfast, instead go to the local
cafe/bistro for a lot less.
4. Have your hotel booked in advance, it's no fun to lug luggages
from one hotel to another.
5. Get the telecarte (phone card). You are going to need it if you
want to eat at your restaurant especially if reservation is required.
Most decent restaurants need reservation since most have only one
sitting. Also, telecarte can be used on some internet ready computer
in the super market like monoprix.
6. Buy your museum ticket in advance if you plan to visit Musee
D'Orsay. I was there 2 sunday ago, the wait time was over one hour.
Louvre is not bad if you don't go in thru the main entrance.
7. If you plan to take train to leave Paris, you can always get a
discount (25%) if there at least 2 passangers traveling together. If
you travel during the blue period, it is even less. You can even get
discount on international train fare. There are automatic train
ticket machine, but they are a bit complicated for me to use, so just
use the ticket window when making the purchase.
8. If you buy things, try to buy it from a store that has "detaxe"
facillity. If you spend more 175 euro in a single store on the same
day, you may claim VAT refund when you leave EU (there are some
expection on goods that can be claimed). The procedure is simple.
The store fills the documentation in an open envelope. When you leave
EU, present the form to the custom for a stamp on the form. The
custom stamps the form and keep a copy, you keep another one, send the
remaining (forgot the color) in the store-provided envelope to the pre
printed address if the store use those VAT refund agencies. The store
envelope has prepaid postage. I don't know the protocol of sending
the form if there is no address on the store provided envelope.
9. Most restaurants close on Sunday and Monday or August.
10. Enjoy the city, don't do too much!
I have fun, it was not so obvious on my first visit, but after the
second visit, I start to enjoy Paris tremendously and to notice little
thing about Paris that I never noticed before.
eddy
P.S. Learn the language if you can. Some Parisians are rude, so are
some tourists.
Just return from a 2 week visit in Paris. Below are some tips for
Paris newbies.
1. From CDG to the city, if you have many pieces of luggage of have
heavy luggage, I would advise against taking RER into the city. You
may be OK getting to the RER from CDG, but when transfering to metro
from RER, it usually involves a long walk, many stairs and it could be
very tiring. Instead, take the Air France shuttle to the nearest stop
to your hotel, then hail a taxi to the hotel.
2. If you stay in Paris from Monday-Sunday, buy the orange card.
It's only 13.50 Euros for the week. A single metro ticket is 1 Euro.
When going from one place that involves many metro changes, minimize
the transfer even though it may look like it's a longer trip.
Transfering between metro lines is quite tiring because of the stairs
and long walk especially in large station such as Chatelet/Les Halles,
Montparnasse, Etoile. Your pass is also good for the furnicular in
Monmartre.
3. Don't eat your hotel breakfast, instead go to the local
cafe/bistro for a lot less.
4. Have your hotel booked in advance, it's no fun to lug luggages
from one hotel to another.
5. Get the telecarte (phone card). You are going to need it if you
want to eat at your restaurant especially if reservation is required.
Most decent restaurants need reservation since most have only one
sitting. Also, telecarte can be used on some internet ready computer
in the super market like monoprix.
6. Buy your museum ticket in advance if you plan to visit Musee
D'Orsay. I was there 2 sunday ago, the wait time was over one hour.
Louvre is not bad if you don't go in thru the main entrance.
7. If you plan to take train to leave Paris, you can always get a
discount (25%) if there at least 2 passangers traveling together. If
you travel during the blue period, it is even less. You can even get
discount on international train fare. There are automatic train
ticket machine, but they are a bit complicated for me to use, so just
use the ticket window when making the purchase.
8. If you buy things, try to buy it from a store that has "detaxe"
facillity. If you spend more 175 euro in a single store on the same
day, you may claim VAT refund when you leave EU (there are some
expection on goods that can be claimed). The procedure is simple.
The store fills the documentation in an open envelope. When you leave
EU, present the form to the custom for a stamp on the form. The
custom stamps the form and keep a copy, you keep another one, send the
remaining (forgot the color) in the store-provided envelope to the pre
printed address if the store use those VAT refund agencies. The store
envelope has prepaid postage. I don't know the protocol of sending
the form if there is no address on the store provided envelope.
9. Most restaurants close on Sunday and Monday or August.
10. Enjoy the city, don't do too much!
I have fun, it was not so obvious on my first visit, but after the
second visit, I start to enjoy Paris tremendously and to notice little
thing about Paris that I never noticed before.
eddy
P.S. Learn the language if you can. Some Parisians are rude, so are
some tourists.
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Brahmama wrote in message news:...
> Thanks Eddy,
>
>
> What hotel did you stay in? We are searching out 2 and 3 stars that
> people on the board have recommended, but some prices have escalted
> since their stay!
>
> Carol
>
We stayed in Hotel du Parc, 6 rue Jolivet, 14th arr.
http://www.hotelduparc-paris.com/
It's one better 2-star hotel that we have stayed in Paris. It's near
Tour Montparnasse, so you will be very close to many metro stops and
Air France shuttle. Lotsa restaurants nearby, and the area is lively
at night. Hotel staffs are nice. We paid 65 euros for a double.
Hope this helps and enjoy your trip.
eddy
> Thanks Eddy,
>
>
> What hotel did you stay in? We are searching out 2 and 3 stars that
> people on the board have recommended, but some prices have escalted
> since their stay!
>
> Carol
>
We stayed in Hotel du Parc, 6 rue Jolivet, 14th arr.
http://www.hotelduparc-paris.com/
It's one better 2-star hotel that we have stayed in Paris. It's near
Tour Montparnasse, so you will be very close to many metro stops and
Air France shuttle. Lotsa restaurants nearby, and the area is lively
at night. Hotel staffs are nice. We paid 65 euros for a double.
Hope this helps and enjoy your trip.
eddy
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Desmond Coughlan wrote:
> > One important tip I learned in France is that service is always included.
> > Almost learned the hard way. So keep in mind that unlike the US, tip is
> > almost always included. Not sure how to find out when it's not included.
> > It is okay to round up the bill to the nearest euro or leave another euro
> > or two if the service was very good. I think this might be true in all
> > of europe that has the VAT.
> It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
> receipt.
A waitress in Paris advised me that service is always included in the price in Paris, but not always in other areas. So, in the rest
of France it will say "service compris" if it is included, but that this is not required in Paris because it always is.
> > One important tip I learned in France is that service is always included.
> > Almost learned the hard way. So keep in mind that unlike the US, tip is
> > almost always included. Not sure how to find out when it's not included.
> > It is okay to round up the bill to the nearest euro or leave another euro
> > or two if the service was very good. I think this might be true in all
> > of europe that has the VAT.
> It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
> receipt.
A waitress in Paris advised me that service is always included in the price in Paris, but not always in other areas. So, in the rest
of France it will say "service compris" if it is included, but that this is not required in Paris because it always is.
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le Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:10:32 +0000 (UTC), dans l'article , Teak a dit ...
> One important tip I learned in France is that service is always included.
> Almost learned the hard way. So keep in mind that unlike the US, tip is
> almost always included. Not sure how to find out when it's not included.
> It is okay to round up the bill to the nearest euro or leave another euro
> or two if the service was very good. I think this might be true in all
> of europe that has the VAT.
It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
receipt.
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
> One important tip I learned in France is that service is always included.
> Almost learned the hard way. So keep in mind that unlike the US, tip is
> almost always included. Not sure how to find out when it's not included.
> It is okay to round up the bill to the nearest euro or leave another euro
> or two if the service was very good. I think this might be true in all
> of europe that has the VAT.
It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
receipt.
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
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One important tip I learned in France is that service is always included. Almost learned the hard way. So keep in mind that unlike the US, tip is almost always included. Not sure how to find out when it's not included. It is okay to round up the bill to the nearest euro or leave another euro or two if the service was very good. I think this might be true in all of europe that has the VAT.
-Teak
-Teak
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> It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
> receipt.
I thought that was true but we asked anyways and the manager or head waiter or who ever the person was said no. Lucky for us the two people next to us overheard us and spoke english and said to me "In France, service is always included". Man I wished he wasn't done with his meal cause I wanted to buy him and his companion a drink on me.
-Teak
> receipt.
I thought that was true but we asked anyways and the manager or head waiter or who ever the person was said no. Lucky for us the two people next to us overheard us and spoke english and said to me "In France, service is always included". Man I wished he wasn't done with his meal cause I wanted to buy him and his companion a drink on me.
-Teak
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Desmond Coughlan wrote:
>le Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:10:32 +0000 (UTC), dans l'article , Teak a dit ...
>> One important tip I learned in France is that service is always included.
>> Almost learned the hard way. So keep in mind that unlike the US, tip is
>> almost always included. Not sure how to find out when it's not included.
>> It is okay to round up the bill to the nearest euro or leave another euro
>> or two if the service was very good. I think this might be true in all
>> of europe that has the VAT.
>It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
>receipt.
Some restaurant staff in tourist areas have become accustomed to
receiving gratuities, but there is no problem if you follow the local
custom -- no tip, or a small tip.
This is NOT true of all European countries. In Ireland, for example, a
10% gratuity is customary unless a service charge is explicitly added
to the bill.
PB
>le Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:10:32 +0000 (UTC), dans l'article , Teak a dit ...
>> One important tip I learned in France is that service is always included.
>> Almost learned the hard way. So keep in mind that unlike the US, tip is
>> almost always included. Not sure how to find out when it's not included.
>> It is okay to round up the bill to the nearest euro or leave another euro
>> or two if the service was very good. I think this might be true in all
>> of europe that has the VAT.
>It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
>receipt.
Some restaurant staff in tourist areas have become accustomed to
receiving gratuities, but there is no problem if you follow the local
custom -- no tip, or a small tip.
This is NOT true of all European countries. In Ireland, for example, a
10% gratuity is customary unless a service charge is explicitly added
to the bill.
PB
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Desmond Coughlan wrote:
> Teak a dit ...
> > One important tip I learned in France is that service is always included.
> > Almost learned the hard way. So keep in mind that unlike the US, tip is
> > almost always included. Not sure how to find out when it's not included.
> > It is okay to round up the bill to the nearest euro or leave another euro
> > or two if the service was very good. I think this might be true in all
> > of europe that has the VAT.
> It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
> receipt.
One does wonder what would be meant by "learned the hard way" in this
case. "I tried to leave a tip, and the waiter gave me a beating!"
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> Teak a dit ...
> > One important tip I learned in France is that service is always included.
> > Almost learned the hard way. So keep in mind that unlike the US, tip is
> > almost always included. Not sure how to find out when it's not included.
> > It is okay to round up the bill to the nearest euro or leave another euro
> > or two if the service was very good. I think this might be true in all
> > of europe that has the VAT.
> It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
> receipt.
One does wonder what would be meant by "learned the hard way" in this
case. "I tried to leave a tip, and the waiter gave me a beating!"
--
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> We stayed in Hotel du Parc, 6 rue Jolivet, 14th arr.
>
> http://www.hotelduparc-paris.com/
>
> It's one better 2-star hotel that we have stayed in Paris. It's near
> Tour Montparnasse, so you will be very close to many metro stops and
> Air France shuttle. Lotsa restaurants nearby, and the area is lively
> at night. Hotel staffs are nice. We paid 65 euros for a double.
> Hope this helps and enjoy your trip.
> eddy
Is this near there: Abotel Waldorf Montparnasse Hotel. 17 rue du
Depart? Anyone know about this hotel? I got a good deal with a
package, and that was the hotel. I searched the archives of this
group to find out about the hotel and came up dry.
I'm going to be there for a week in January. This will be my first
time to Paris -- first time to France at all. Probably not the best
time to visit; I imagine it'll be pretty cold.
I've been enjoying reading all the great tips -- this seems like a fun
group! After all the dialogue about how ugly the Tour Montparnasse is,
I hope it's not right outside my hotel window!
>
> http://www.hotelduparc-paris.com/
>
> It's one better 2-star hotel that we have stayed in Paris. It's near
> Tour Montparnasse, so you will be very close to many metro stops and
> Air France shuttle. Lotsa restaurants nearby, and the area is lively
> at night. Hotel staffs are nice. We paid 65 euros for a double.
> Hope this helps and enjoy your trip.
> eddy
Is this near there: Abotel Waldorf Montparnasse Hotel. 17 rue du
Depart? Anyone know about this hotel? I got a good deal with a
package, and that was the hotel. I searched the archives of this
group to find out about the hotel and came up dry.
I'm going to be there for a week in January. This will be my first
time to Paris -- first time to France at all. Probably not the best
time to visit; I imagine it'll be pretty cold.
I've been enjoying reading all the great tips -- this seems like a fun
group! After all the dialogue about how ugly the Tour Montparnasse is,
I hope it's not right outside my hotel window!
#13
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Have been reading your informative posts, many thanks for helpful info.
My question is about the tips, who gets them? Waiter or management? If
management gets 'service compris' does get waiter additional tip?
My question is about the tips, who gets them? Waiter or management? If
management gets 'service compris' does get waiter additional tip?
#14
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On 25 Nov 2002 17:03:14 -0800, [email protected] (Coco) wrote:
[snip]
>Is this near there: Abotel Waldorf Montparnasse Hotel. 17 rue du
>Depart?
[snip]
Check out this site for maps and other information:
www.viamichelin.com
Michael
P.S. No, this isn't a spam, and I have no relationship with Michelin
whatsoever.
[snip]
>Is this near there: Abotel Waldorf Montparnasse Hotel. 17 rue du
>Depart?
[snip]
Check out this site for maps and other information:
www.viamichelin.com
Michael
P.S. No, this isn't a spam, and I have no relationship with Michelin
whatsoever.
#15
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Teak wrote:
>
> > It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
> > receipt.
>
> I thought that was true but we asked anyways and the manager or head waiter or who ever the person was said no. Lucky for us the two people next to us overheard us and spoke english and said to me "In France, service is always included". Man I wished he wasn't done with his meal cause I wanted to buy him and his companion a drink on me.
>
> -Teak
Well sure, how many people nowadays, when asked "Should I give you more
money?", will tell you not to?
>
> > It is included by law, and will say 'service compris' at the bottom of the
> > receipt.
>
> I thought that was true but we asked anyways and the manager or head waiter or who ever the person was said no. Lucky for us the two people next to us overheard us and spoke english and said to me "In France, service is always included". Man I wished he wasn't done with his meal cause I wanted to buy him and his companion a drink on me.
>
> -Teak
Well sure, how many people nowadays, when asked "Should I give you more
money?", will tell you not to?




