Thom

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 01:38:38 GMT, Rod Slow <[email protected]>
wrote:

    > Being on the dole means that Rod Speed gets 52 weeks of vacation
    >each year

Its odd you say that. I'm a Certificate 4 trainer and occassionally
work with the unemployed and some of them work harder being out of
work than if they were working. Jon hunting is an 18 hour a day job.

THOM

Thom

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:45:00 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:

you again, are you stalking me?

    >"Thom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:20:04 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>>"Thom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>> On , The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:39:48 MST
    >>>>>Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:37:16 -0800
    >>>>>Xref: news.melbpc.org.au soc.culture.usa:842088 alt.politics.bush:1901987
    >>>>>misc.consumers.frugal-living:242978 rec.travel.europe:343575
    >>>>>rec.travel.air:261877
    >>>>>Thom wrote:
    >>>>>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>> >Close to the lowest unemployment rate in the entire world.
    >>>>>> 18% is doing fine? Lets not be taken in by the Bush liars who use
    >>>>>> only the number of people getting insurance. The real job hunters are
    >>>>>> about 18% and 18% of 290 million is larger than many countries.
    >>>>>I don't think it's ever possible to provide an accurate number. Is the
    >>>>>wino on the corner with the WILL WORK FOR FOOD sign employed,
    >>>>>unemployed, or no longer seeking work?
    >>>> You have a valid point, without a dole system you
    >>>> really can't come up with a truely accurate number
    >>>> but 18% seems to be the closest number right now.
    >>>You're lying again. Both the ILO and the OECD say its 5%
    >> who gives a shit what government spin doctors say?
    >So stupid that it doesnt even realise that
    >the ILO and OECD aint government at all.

Its not that I don't know its that I don't care. Every US government
lies lies lies about the real number of people out of work. If you've
ever been to an economics or government studies class you would know
that the real figure is someplace between 2X and 4X the claimed number
depending on the economy.

Are you saying you believe Clinton when he said 5%???
    >> The same government says theres 6% homes less
    >> in the USA so how can there only be 5% unemployed?
    >You're only unemployed if you WANT TO WORK, ****wit.

What page from the capitalist handbook did you get that out of???
    >Plenty drunken druggy scum aint interested in working, fool.

I guess that's why Bush ran for president. he was a failure at
everything else including being the only jerk to sink 2 dry wells in
the middle of the richest oil field in Texas!
    >>>> It was 11-12% under Clinton.
    >>> More lying.
    >> your defending Clinton?
    >Nope, telling you you are lying, ****wit.

Can't be, Not a member of the Liberal or republican parties, By the
way we're stillw aiting for those WMD.
    >>>>>>> Close to the lowest interest rates seen for decades.
    >>>>>> Yah, everyone is broke
    >>>>> Not me, I just bitch about the low CD rates.
    >>>> Then buy tapes and vinal
    >>>Pathetic, really.
    >> yes, the price of vinal these days is pathetic but not as pathetic as
    >> CD's
    >Pathetic, really.

Yup CD's are way over priced
    >>>>>>> Highest home ownership rate ever.
    >>>>>> for the USA maybe. Australia has 95%
    >>>>>> of people living in single units owning them.
    >>>>> Maybe it's because they have too much vacation time.
    >>>> Maybe its because up till recently a nice house
    >>>> was only twice the yearly average wage.
    >>>You're lying again.
    >> Really?
    >Yep, really.

Isn't that silver spoon getting uncomfortable?
    >> When I moved to Melbourne I could get a new 2 bedroom house
    >> out towards Pakenham for 63K which is twice the average wage.
    >Pity thats a tiny subset of the country, fool.

Pity you don't speak English, say it so people can understand it.
    >> You probably live in Sydeney
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

Looks like you love Gerbbles, say the same thing over and over till
idiots believe it. Kill the messenger again I see.
    >> where fools pay outragious prices for houses.
    >> After we shoot all the lawyers the estate agents are next.
    >Nope, fools like you are first in line.

Since I'm not a fool I'd never pay what you scumbag right wingers
charge these days. Your all theives but that's a requirement to get
into the Liberal Party.
    >>>>>>> More pathetic lies. There's **** all PC
    >>>>>>> software from anywhere else for example.
    >>>>>> How little you know. China has outlawed all Microsoft Products
    >>>>> A good start...
    >>>>>> and supplies all the needed programs for RED FLAG LINUX,
    >>>>>> Germany is mostly and OS/2 country, has the second largest
    >>>>>> software company in the world and is now moving to SUSe LINUX
    >>>>> Yeah, but purists still run slackware, definitely a local
    >>>>> California product! Red Hat comes from the US. Lots
    >>>>> of other distributions. Besides, Linus lives here by choice.
    >>>> Its scary how much he looks like Gates at that age.
    >>> Its in the genes, stupid.
    >> Linux wears dockers
    >Pathetic, really.

Yah, he doesn't have the look for it.
    >>>>>>> Where's the non US google and ebay and paypal ?
    >>>> Paypal runs at a loss.
    >>>You're lying again.
    >>>> EBay had to buy it.
    >>> You're lying again.
    >> Are you on something?
    >No need to ask about you, child.

My son is dead but since I'm noit a reichwinger I don't drink, smoke
or do drugs. I'm sure that means you guys are getting my money.
    >> If Paypal went under eBay would go under
    >Wrong again.

so the papers lie too? Are your sure all your lies are twisting your
mind into think everyone else is.
    >> since Paypal was then the major way people paid for things.
    >Pity that they could have just started another if that had happened, fool.

English please
    >> Now at least you have BigPay and Western Bid.
    >> By the way I don't lie,
    >You're lying again.

What would a Liberal know about the truth? Still iting for those
pesky WMD!

THOM

Thom

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:45:15 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"Thom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 06:19:59 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>>Thom <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Agamemnon <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>> JohnT <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>>> JohnT <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>>>>> Hey asshole:
    >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we have a huge balance of trade deficit now.
    >>>>>>>>>>> But with the weak dollar, MAYBE we will sell more of our goods
    >>>>>>>>>>> overseas and THUS improve our balance of trade position.
    >>>>>>>>>> I do admire your debating technique! I can't visualise
    >>>>>>>>>> what you may have to sell that we may wish to buy.
    >>>>>>>>> Best get those eyes tested then.
    >>>>>>>>> Have a look at heavy commercial aircraft for example.
    >>>>>>>>> Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
    >>>>>>>>> that the US does actually manage to export a few of those.
    >>>>>>>> You mean Boeing?
    >>>>>>> It aint the only one, particularly with military aircraft.
    >>>>>>>> Which has had it's worst year for sales for a generation
    >>>>>>> Completely and utterly irrelevant to
    >>>>>>> whether its a significant exporter, fool.
    >>>>>>> That bad year is just due to the downturn in the
    >>>>>>> airline industry, largely due to the terrorist threat
    >>>>>>> etc and with a number of world airlines going bust.
    >>>>>>>> and for which many parts are made in China?
    >>>>>>> **** all parts are in fact.
    >>>>>>> Even less with the cutting edge of
    >>>>>>> military aircraft and missile systems etc.
    >>>>>>>> You must pay more attention in
    >>>>>>>> your school Ecomonics class, sonny.
    >>>>>>> You must go and **** yourself, you
    >>>>>>> stupid little pig ignorant posturing prat.
    >>>>>> Things aren't going too well for the
    >>>>>> Americans these days, are they?
    >>>>> They're going fine.
    >>>>> Close to the lowest unemployment rate in the entire world.
    >>>> 18%
    >>>Lie. Try the ILO and OECD figure of around 5%
    >> Thats the number on insurance.
    >Wrong again. Neither use that way of calculating it and
    >even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp
    >that it cant be the number on insurance with Australia
    >because there is no unemployment insurance in Australia.

well if you weren't drunk or on drugs you would know that we WERE NOT
TALKING about Australia! Australia's numbers at far more accurate
than the ones Bush comes up with. My god your a moron. You post to
alt.politics.bush and think its about Howard???
    >> Hell the govt classifies 6% of the population as "homeless"!
    >You're lying again.

Go to the website and read 19 million then devide that by the US
population
    >>>> is doing fine? Lets not be taken in by the Bush liars
    >>>> who use only the number of people getting insurance.
    >>> You're lying. Have fun explaining the ILO and OECD figures.
    >> I couldn't care less about them.
    >Yeah, you've always had a problem with anything that exposes your lies.

When you sober up and realize what the thread is about get back to us.
    >> The government has been lieing about unemployment
    >> figures since they started unemployment benifits.
    >Pity there is no point in either the ILO or the OECD doing that.
    >> Dems and pugs both do it. Its not a partisan issue.
    >Wota terminal ****wit you have always been, child.

sober up Liberal fool
    >>>> The real job hunters are about 18%
    >>>Lie.
    >>>> and 18% of 290 million is larger than many countries.
    >>>5% is too, and thats completely irrelevant.
    >>>>> Close to the lowest interest rates seen for decades.
    >>>> Yah, everyone is broke
    >>>Another lie.
    >> another joke,
    >Nope, just your desperate wanking, as always.

you like wanking do you and are an expert at it?
    >>>>> Highest home ownership rate ever.
    >>>> for the USA maybe.
    >>>No maybe about it.
    >>>> Australia has 95% of people living in single units owning them.
    >>>Another lie.
    >> your proof is?
    >The ABS stats.

American Broadcasting Service?
    >> Where do you think I'm writing from?
    >Doesnt help in your case, you've never ever
    >been able to manage even the most basic stuff.

At least I'm not a liberal liar like Howard and his gun stealing gang
of draft dodging chickenhawks.
    >> Apartments are very hard to find here
    >You're lying again. There is in fact a considerable oversupply
    >currently due to the boom in investment units. Its so bad that
    >some landlords have had to offer very substantial incentives
    >to get someone to actually rent their unit.

then why are rents so high? Why a block from me does some idiot want
$430,000 for a 960 square foot condo? Why are there 30,000 empty
units of all types
    >> because of the high personal ownership of where people live.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

sober up, kill the messenger is childish.
    >>>>> A military system that can completely **** over
    >>>>> any other military system it chooses to **** over.
    >>>> So why are we having so many problems in Iraq
    >>> The military system was completely ****ed over in days.
    >> Ours or theirs?
    >Pathetic, really.

yes, when the troops can't get armour, their air force is 30 years old
etc etc its pathetic.
    >>> Even you must have noticed that the stupid
    >>> ragheads remaining aint a military system.
    >> Partisans
    >No such animal in Iraq.

Yah sure 100% of the population are terrorists.
    >> are a military system,
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

Yes you are clueless. Ever been in a war zone or are you a right
winger that's all talk and no walk? Please tell us?
    >> just a damned hard one to deal with as Hitler
    >> found out in WW2 and we found in Viet Nam.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

yes,since your a drfat dodger you haven't a clue about a real war
    >>>> and haven't taken Afghanistan yet?
    >>> The talibums aint a military system anymore either.
    >> Then why does the Kabal Govt only control 40% of the country.
    >> The Taliban and war lords control the rest.
    >Nothing to do with whether they are a military system or not.

address the point! Then why does the Kabal Govt only control 40% of
the country. The Taliban and war lords control the rest. The poppies
are growing at a record rate!
    >>>> Our tanks are junk,
    >>> He's talking about Australia.
    >> No I'm not.
    >Then they aint 'our tanks'
    >> I'm talking about the M-1 Abrams which is 1970's technology.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

Please tell us all you know about American tanks, we have a spare bit
we can give you to do it with.
    >> Something like a Kornet goes thru it like butter and if not for the
    >> DU ammo would be worthless against something like a Black Eagle.
    >Yep, ALL tanks are way past their useby date now.

try the Black Eagle and the Mercava. The Black Eagl is 21st century
technology and the first country to license production is Korea.
    >They can be handy for a country like Israel currently tho.
    >>> We have no need for tanks.
    >> Correct. Even the Greens came up with a better idea
    >> and that's fast and high mobile APC's carrying Kornets.
    >Completely useless compared with tank killer aircraft.

and if the US invades as the Defense Ministry predicts aircraft are
useless. Do you seriously believe the US doesn't have a way to
disable any weapons system they sell us. A small SQD of Kornets on 6
wheeled vehicals can take out every tank the yanks can land.
    >>> There is just one country in the entire world that could invade us that
    >>> tanks would be any use against, and thats the US and whatever we do
    >>> tank wise wont make a scrap of difference if the US did decide to invade.
    >>> Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed what happened
    >>> to the Iraqi tanks on the road to Basra after the first Gulf war.
    >>>> our air force is 30 years old,
    >>> They're perfectly adequate for whoever could
    >>> be stupid enough to attempt an invasion.
    >> Problem is the USAF is so old their airframes are wearing out.
    >Perfectly adequate for ****ing over Iraq and Afghanistan, child.

Their last stand. The 14's and 15's are in such bad shape the bulk of
the work was done by experimental Hornet 2000's which are based on the
1976 F-18. How's about you sit in the front seat of a Hornet and go
up against an Indonesian Sukhoi. Australia should be building SU-30's
and 35's not buying junk like the F-35 which is over priced and 3
years late.
    >> The F-14 goes next year we hear
    >Best get your ears tested then boy.

better lean to read. The F-14 was flown in the Viet Nam war as was
the A-6. If you knew even the slightest bit about military matters
(what draft dodger does) you would know every aircraft has an airframe
life.
    >> leaving only the 30 year old F-18 on the decks.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

yes you are dumb as a stump about military matters aren't you. I'll
hold your hand, go down to the news agent and buy the latest issue of
AERO AUSTRALIA and then get someone to read it to you. Theres a nice
article on the Hornet 2000, no new news but good for someone like
yourself with little knowledge on the subject. By the way, the big
funny things with the wings, they're called airplanes.
    >> The Indonesians are buying SU-27's and 30's
    >Nope.
    >> which will make mince meat out of the USN
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

OK you enlighten us then . Tell us all about the Indonesian SU-30's.
Tell us abouyt the Cobra Menuver which no US plane can do while your
at it.
    >> provided the pilots are competant
    >They never are. Even someone as stupid as you should have
    >noticed what happened to the Iraqi airforce in the first Gulf war.

yes, the Australian SAS knocked out the Iraqi AF on the ground before
it could be used to any extent. Great bunch of blokes but I'm sure
you think they're idiots too.
    >> and they are being trained overseas right now.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

Clue no, total knowledge yes. They are being trains (well most are
back by now) at a place called Irkusk (spelled for pronunciation) in
far east Russia
    >>>> the bloody Indonesians are flying better,
    >>>> newer and more advanced fighters!!
    >>> You're lying, as usual.
    >> In May last year the president flew to Moscow and bought
    >> MI-35's, SU-27's and the hottest of the hot the SU-30MKI.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

My my we have a limited vocabulary don't we.
    >> They also bought the S-300 air defence system which
    >> was specifically designed to take out Australian F-111's
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

again your ignorance is dripping all over the floor. The S-300 was
developed specifically to take out F/B-111's and we're the only ones
still using them. A trip to google might help you.
    >> The deal is to trade Indonesian products for the planes, mostly palm oil.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

whats your game, you "CTRL-C" once and then paste for the rest of the
night?
    >> http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...&lp=1102023063
    >Pity thats complete pig ignorant terminally silly shit.

So the answer is in the bible right? Your hopless. Time for a trip
to conventry for you my ignorant friend.


    >Try a cite from somewhere that matters like Janes. Doesnt exist.

Janes doesn't exist? Really or is your english skills poor and you
dangled a participal? If you don't believe then go to HANSARD and the
defence white paper and read the same thing.
    >And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
    >the word COULD in that terminally silly piece of shit.
    >>>>> Still the country where the full commercialisation of most technology
    >>>>> is seen first. Most recenty with the net, PC software, google, ebay etc.
    >>>> right and did you know you pay 30-40% morew for
    >>>> computers in the USA than in places like Australia?
    >>> You're lying again.
    >> Nope,
    >Yep.

Your looney
    >Completely trivial to prove that that is a silly lie.

your out of arguments I see
    >>>> Only 29% of US house holds have computers
    >>> You're lying again.
    >> and your proof is?
    >YOU made that terminally silly claim.

ran out of arguments again?
    >YOU get to do the proving.

Not to morons
    >THATS how it works.
    >> With an average wage of only US$15,000 a year things
    >> like digital cameras and computers are not that common.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.
    >> Australia has a far higher standard of living
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

so your putting down Australia now. How patriotic of you. If you
love America so much I'll give you a ride to the airport. Only two
bags please
    >> and takes on new technology faster than any other country.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

is there an echo in here?
    >> Being right next to the asian production centers is a big help too.
    >Not a ****ing clue, as always.

Yup, fools are yelling
    >>>> while its 71% in Australia
    >>>>>> But it's your own fault.
    >>>>> Taint mine. I aint even an american, ****wit.
    >>>>>> The rest of the world, which is busily taking
    >>>>>> over former US markets in aerospace
    >>>> be nice if we had a manned vehical that worked right now.
    >>> Complete waste of money.
    >> another thread but a point worth arguing
    >>>>> Bullshit. In spades with the military end of that.
    >>>>>> and pretty much everything else,
    >>>>> More pathetic lies. There's **** all PC
    >>>>> software from anywhere else for example.
    >>>> How little you know.
    >>> How pathetically you bullshit.
    >>>> China has outlawed all Microsoft Products
    >>> You're lying again.
    >> then so is PC World and several other magazines
    >Yep, and you're so stupid that you cant even work
    >out that that sort of silly shit isnt even possible.

yes, getting MS products to work right isn't possible.
    >>>> and supplies all the needed programs for RED FLAG LINUX,
    >>> You're lying again.
    >> may I suggest you open your mind and go to
    >> www.redflag-linux.com
    >Completely useless on that lie of yours.

so you didn't look right? Packed for your perfect country yet?
    >>>> Germany is mostly and OS/2 country,
    >>> You're lying again. In spades with what runs on PCs.
    >> Yah right and I'll bet you say there's no such
    >> thing as an operating system called ECS either?
    >Even you should be able to do better
    >that pathetic excuse for bullshit, child.

so ECS doesn't exists? Its the latest version of Warp 4
try www.ecomstation.com if you have an open mind... opps what a silly
thing to say, I forgot your a liberal and Johnny tells you how to
think.
    >> Germany is OS/2 country,
    >You're lying again. In spades with what runs on PCs.

Spades is not an operating system
    >> the Germans are too pragmatic to leave their lives and
    >> businesses in the hands of crap like WINDOWS.
    >You're lying again. In spades with what runs on PCs.

Here we go again with the paste key. Don't you have any thoughts of
your own?
    >>>> has the second largest software company in the world
    >>> Which has always been a complete dud.
    >>>> and is now moving to SUSe LINUX
    >>> Pity its still in the US.
    >> Excuse me. sense please? SUSe is German
    >I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND BIGGEST
    >SOFTWARE COMPANY IN THE WORLD, ****WIT.'

Which is German
    >> and is now jointly owned by IBM and Novell.
    >> If Novell hadn't done it they would have no future.
    >Irrelevant.

everything to you is irrelevant that makes any sense
    >>>>> Where's the non US google and ebay and paypal ?
    >>>> Down here there are several local search engines
    >>> None of which is a patch on google.
    >>>> and even www.ebay.com.au
    >>> Thats just the US ebay, ****wit.
    >> No, its actually a local that was absorbed by eBay
    >Wrong again. That was sold.com.au
    >>> Just like microsoft.com.au is too.
    >> Please, keep the profanity to a minimum

yes, microsoft is a dirty word, I'm sorry
    >Let go of your dick.

you still want to hold it I see.
    >>>>>> is rather short on sympathy.
    >>>>> But very long on this sort of pathetic excuse for
    >>>>> bullshit thats really just plain green eyed envy.
    >>>> yes, the world envies us for Bush. They don't have
    >>>> any of their own drunks, deserters and pea brains.
    >>> You're lying again. Have fun explaining Yeltin.
    >> And who is he when he'se at home? Millions of
    >> people with that name, be more specific please?
    >Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
    >that you've never ever had a ****ing clue.

address the question, insults are not an intelligent reply

Enjoy coventry!

THOM
who unlike Howard and his whole cowardly front bench is a Viet Nam Vet

Thom

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:55:21 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"Thom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 06:32:24 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>>Thom <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>> Barbara Bomberger wrote
    >>>>>>>> The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>>> Barbara Bomberger wrote
    >>>>>>>>>>> The Real Bev wrote
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Many people in the US actually find their employment enjoyable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> rewarding, and FUN. Isn't it that way in Europe?I
    >>>>>>>>>> I suspect an equal amount of people in Europe
    >>>>>>>>>> find their work enjoyable, rewarding, and fun.
    >>>>>>>>>> How does that preclude enjoying vacation time?
    >>>>>>>>> I know programmers who regard programming as
    >>>>>>>>> more fun than almost anything, including vacation.
    >>>>>>>>> Not nose-to-the-grindstone workaholics, it's just FUN.
    >>>>>>>>> I would guess that artists and musicians feel the same
    >>>>>>>>> way, and sportspersons. Undoubtedly lots of others,
    >>>>>>>>> too, and I bet Magda has never bothered to thank
    >>>>>>>>> them for her "European' drone lifestyle/
    >>>>>>>> I have no idea what you are implying here?? That jobs
    >>>>>>>> in Europe are "less rewarding" than jobs in American?
    >>>>>>>> That its somehow better to live for your work, even if you
    >>>>>>>> love it? That if you dont love working you have a problem.
    >>>>>>> I think that Magda is looking down her long patrician nose at the
    >>>>>>> crude Yanks who are stupid enough to spend their lives working
    >>>>>>> while sophisticated Europeans spend their abundant spare time
    >>>>>>> time appreciating art and music and food and wine and sex instead
    >>>>>>> of taking their work seriously. Pure supposition on my part, of course.
    >>>>>> Isn't socialism a bitch cause it works so well?
    >>>>> Like hell it ever does. Just compare the old east germany with west
    >>>>> germany for a VERY graphic example of how bad it is in practice.
    >>>> Why? The DDR wasn't socialist,
    >>>You're lying again.
    >> It was commie
    >You're lying again.

enjoy conventry
    >>>> it was under the communist spear of influence.
    >>> And was socialist.
    >> Communism and socialism are different animals,
    >Pity the DDR wasnt communism.

enjoy conventry (good one by the way, I need a laugh)
    >> even Hitler knew that and after he arrested
    >> all the commies he went after the socialists
    >Pity he claimed to be a socialist himself,

and of course you as a reichwinger believes everything Howard and
Hitler say right?
    >you silly little pig ignorant ****wit child.
    >>>> The current government of Germany is socialist.
    >>> In name only.
    >>>>>> I can just see some one in a red state given the choice and trying to
    >>>>>> decide
    >>>>>> working over time saturday night vs an orgy at Bobs' place?
    >>>>>> working over time saturday night vs an orgy at Bobs' place?
    >>>>>> working over time saturday night vs an orgy at Bobs' place?
    >>>>>> working over time saturday night vs an orgy at Bobs' place?
    >>>>>> working over time saturday night vs an orgy at Bobs' place?
    >>>>>> I can't cope!!!! Whaaa! :-)
    >>>>> In reality its actually being so heavily taxed that there
    >>>>> aint too many orgys at all. In spades with east germany.
    >>>> Again stop believing cold war propaghanda.
    >>> Let go of your dick.
    >> why? do you want to hold it? See what
    >> I mean about bizzar sex stuff in the USA?
    >Stupid pig ignorant little **** hasnt even noticed that I'm not in the USA.

Yes I have, theres only one thing more arrogant and dumb than a red
state hick and that's an Australian Liberal Party member.
    >>>> Europeans don't have the bizzar sexual hang ups we do
    >>>Is that right ? Not even the poms eh ? Yeah, right.
    >> Name me one anti-sex REV BILLY BOB on the BBC please?
    >Even you should have notice the pom politicians that have
    >had to resign when caught engaging in bizarre sexual activitys.

Much like the 17 ministers Howard lost to corruption? Too bad your
more obsessed with sexual habits (like holding my dick) than ethical
behavior. In a way I'm flattered, the right wing used to be obsessed
with Clintons penis.
    >>>> and if you'd care to search the web you'll find
    >>>> that all the swing clubs around Berlin were in
    >>>> the East zone with only one in western run Berlin.
    >>> Pathetic, really.
    >> yes, there should be a lot more.
    >Pathetic, really.

yes, Howard is pathetic
    >>>>> And the main reason for more choice on saturday night is
    >>>>> actually the much higher unemployment rate most of the time.
    >>>> There was no unemployment in the DDR, it wasn't allowed.
    >>> You're lying again.
    >> Your proof?
    >YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim.
    >YOU get to do the proving.
    >THATS how it works.

how would you know? Your a liberal and have never worked a day in
your life.
    >> One of the good things about the old commie
    >> system was also a bad thing.... zero unemployment.
    >You're lying again. The reality is that they just pretended
    >to be employed and in fact were unemployed.

I'll bet they pretend to be hungry too?
    >> You had to work and if you couldn't find
    >> something that suited you you were given work.
    >You're lying again.

so pleas enlighten us as to the way it worked?
    >> But at least if you had a science degree you worked in science.
    >You're lying again.

Your so desperate, its really funny.
    >> When I was in college in Santa Barbara in the late
    >> 60's you had guys with PhD's washing cars because
    >> the aerospace industry laid a bunch of people off.
    >Whoopy ****ing do. They still werent UNEMPLOYED, ****wit.

Its called underemployed, please join us in the 21st century
    >>>> You can argue all day that what they were doing wasn't
    >>>> the most efficient of jobs but at least they were working.
    >>> Nope, bludging, actually.
    >> why is having a job bludging? Thats a new one?
    >Pathetic, really.

yes, liberal party bludging is pathetic
    >>>>>>>> Good Grief people. I am american and love my country, but
    >>>>>>>> ya know what?? We arent the best at everything, we dont do
    >>>>>>>> everything the best, and on occasion we can learn from others..
    >>>>>>> Actually, I DO think that we're the best at just about everything,
    >>>>>> Tell that to my wife who was murdered by an HMO
    >>>>> You lot are such pathetic povs that you get stuck with the
    >>>>> dregs areas where the murder rate is higher than in europe ?
    >>>> and that has to do with the murder rate of HMO's how?
    >>>>> Your problem.
    >>>> How republican of you to say that
    >>>Pity I aint even in that country, fool.
    >> then how "LIBERAL" of you
    >Pathetic, really.

Don't put yourself down like that. Just because your a pathetic
Liberal Party member doesn't mean you can't change. You have to want
to
    >>>>>>> and if we're not it's because we hold those things
    >>>>>>> in less esteem than others might. We learn from
    >>>>>>> everybody and everything and then try to improve on it.
    >>>>>> That's why the Japs take all our stuff
    >>>>>> and make it smaller and cheaper?
    >>>>> Nothing like all, most obviously with hard drives
    >>>>> where the Japs never did manage much at all.
    >>>> Oh really?
    >>>Yep, really.
    >>>> IBM gets all its hard drives from Fujitsu
    >>>Another lie. Fujitsu doesnt even make 3.5" IDE
    >>>drives anymore, you silly little pig ignorant fool.
    >> so what I have in my machines (3's and 6's mostly) are vapor wear?
    >Obsolete products no longer manufactured, that
    >arent anything special, so your original claim that

here's a clue for you. IMB sold its hard drive business to Fujitsu
and they are still making new drives. Its a wonder you can get oin
USENET you know so little about computers
    >>>>>> That's why the Japs take all our stuff
    >>>>>> and make it smaller and cheaper?
    >is was always a pig ignorant lie.
    >>>> and I have two in my machines. They don't fail alot like Seagates.
    >>> You're lying again with the MPGs.
    >> I don't do MPG's
    >Irrelevant on that failure question.
    >>>> Except for my Russian camera collection all my cameras are Jap.
    >>> Even someone as stupid as you should have
    >>> noticed that a camera aint a hard drive.
    >> sense please? Can't follow the train of though then
    >> don't post. Did you vote one nation or something?
    >Pathetic, really.

yes, your thought trains are pathetic but we think you can change if
you want to.
    >>>>> And while they did manage smaller houses, they aint even cheaper.
    >>>> Itsd a capitalist country, so why are you expecting fair prices?
    >>>Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of
    >>>your predicament better than that pathetic effort, child.
    >> I love it, you get cornered so you play kill the messenger.
    >Pathetic, really.

Opps you tripped over the paste key again!
    >> Put the video games down and go out and play please.
    >Let go of your dick, child.

I've told you again and again, you can't hold it!

THOM
    >>>>>And their education system is a complete and utter obscenity.
    >>>>>>> Unfortunately, K-12 education seems to be one of the
    >>>>>>> things that we really do suck at now,and I'd really like to
    >>>>>>> nail somebody's feet to the floor for allowing that to happen.
    >>>>>> less video games and more homework and
    >>>>>> also crush the yuppie phones too please.
    >>>>>The scandinavians manage to keep the phones.
    >>>>>>>> Barb (who has found some disadvantages from living in
    >>>>>>>> europe, but the work hours and benfits are not amongst them)
    >>>>>>> I think that's what the Eloi said before
    >>>>>>> they were eaten by the Morlocks.
    >>

Skler

Jonathan wrote:
    > When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    > we get paid public holidays.
    > In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays .
Other
    > countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    > they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    > productive countries in the world.
    > If this is true about the US, how can the average American live under
    > such a system and not lose their mind???

They can't. I don't konw about actually being 'crazy', but it's a very
anxiety ridden soceity we live in. Probably not as bad as say, Japan,
but it is pretty psychologically unhealthy. Very materialistic.

    > Life can't all be about work. It seems such a system would breed
    > highly neurotic and hysterical people. I wouldn't want to live like
    > that no matter how much they paid me.

Under the current economic 'recovery' most employeres are upping
production but not hiring, which means longer hours for everyone. I
work at a major state university where you'd think that it would be
laid back and not so frenetic, but actually that is not true. We've had
lay offs just as in the private sector, though perhaps not as bad. Most
so -called state universities in the US have gone from being
essentially funded -by- their respective states to the situation we
have now, where the majority of salaries and operating costs are paid
for through tuition and donations. My job typically consists of being
at work over 50 hours per week. I acrue more vacation than anyone I
know in the private sector, about 5 weeks per year, becaues I've been
here a very long time. However, I am rarely allowed to -use- it! And
that's America! Don't get me wrong, this is a fantastic culture in
many ways, having drawn on the best of myriad cultures around the globe
since it's inception. But the economic situation & work ethic here is
very competitive with continual growth seen as being an end in itself.
To me, there has to be some underlying ethic and purpose to life beyond
money and business and consumerism, and for about half the country I
suppose that would be some kind of religion. Unfortunately, religion
has become distorted to suit the materialism and selfish ideals of a
consumer and status driven culture, as opposed to some truly
transcendent spiritually rooted ideal involving consideration before
action, as opposed to the kind of frenetic and perpetual, short sighted
monkey motion we're engaged in presently.

Skler

Austin, Texas

Max Mustermann

Cisco troll/netkook/asshole/pedophile Michael Voight "Merry Christmas
<[email protected]>" trolled:

    >john wrote:
    >> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:03:05 -0000, "JohnT"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>...but the problem is that you are importing much more than you are
    >>>exporting
    >>>which increases your huge balance of trade deficit.
    >>>JohnT
    >>
    >>
    >> Hey asshole:
    >>
    >> Yes, we have a huge balance of trade deficit now.
    >>
    >> But with the weak dollar, MAYBE we will sell more of our goods
    >> overseas and THUS improve our balance of trade position.
    >>
    >>
    >Maybe, but that isn't what appear to be happening.

THIS is what is happening:

About rogue Cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet flooder
Michael Voight, alias "Merry Christmas", "I Love YOU", "MyNewServer
Comcast", "anon", "anonymous", "nothilaryduff", "Really Me",
"mrtravel", "mrtravelkay", etc. etc. etc.

Currently posting as Merry Christmas <[email protected]>.

Recently posting as MyNewServer Comcast <[email protected]>, I Love YOU
<[email protected]>, anon <[email protected]>, anonymous
<[email protected]>, nothilaryduff <[email protected]>,
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>, Really Me
<[email protected]>. See below for a larger list of all his trolling
aliases.

His work e-mail address is <[email protected]>.

Michael D. Voight
111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118
Scotts Valley, CA 95066-4148
(831) 438-2485
[email protected] .

He is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime. Gary Burnore is a
convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the
history of the net.

Voight likes to spend his time in the teenage personals newsgroups
trying to pick up underage girls.

The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California
Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don't
keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long
from work.

***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON
USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***

If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his
trolling/newsgroup flooding, forward his posts to [email protected] .

He works in technical support, so forward them to [email protected] too.

See further below for more Cisco contact information.

He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
[email protected] and [email protected] as well.

His main hangouts (besides the teenage personals newsgroups) are
rec.travel.air and alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup
where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers
like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get
their green card. Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice
on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards.

When he isn't giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on
alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding
that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded
fights with the regular posters there.

He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as
well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for
depression. Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their
green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.
Maybe that's why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get
his personals mail there:

Voight, Michael
P.O. Box 67016,
Scotts Valley, CA 95067
(408) 461-8707

The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the
Marines because even the Army rejected him!

He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other
kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since
they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know
what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them.

Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho. It
cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all.
Well, they didn't hire him directly, he came as baggage when they
acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software. His e-mail
address there used to be <[email protected]>.

All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so
he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only
two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like:

mrtrav <[email protected]>
mrtrav3 <[email protected]>
mrraveltay <[email protected]>
mrtravelkay <[email protected]>, and
mtravelkay <[email protected]> and <""a.a\"@a,a,a>.

Some of his other trolling aliases are:
Network Guy <[email protected]>
starrystarrynight <[email protected]>
sleepydoc <[email protected]>
jlhunt <[email protected]>
Lost 5 of 8 <[email protected]>
mrt <[email protected]>
news.sf.sbcglobal.net <[email protected]>
not-nomen <[email protected]>
UCLAisthebest <[email protected]>
David Tanner <[email protected]>
Jeff Davies <[email protected]>
BobTheBuilder <[email protected]>
Bill Clarkj <[email protected]>
nonomen ([email protected])
Really Me <[email protected]>.

Lately he's had some gender confusion and has been posting as women,
such as:
JerseyGirl <[email protected]>
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>
nothilaryduff <[email protected]>

Perhaps he's thinking of getting a sex change (or worse, raping some
teenage girls).

His latest aliases are anon <[email protected]>and anonymous
<[email protected]>.

It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to
speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy
that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet
on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.

Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is
doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They
will LOVE that you brought this to their attention:

Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
USA

Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters
with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get
as far up as possible.

(408)526-4000
(800)553-NETS or
(800)553-6387

Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in
investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this
asshole who is wasting company resources:

Cisco Systems, Inc.
Investor Relations Department
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
Phone: (408) 526-8890
Fax: (408) 526-4545
Email: [email protected]

Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about
this type of stuff:

USA 1 800 553 6387

[email protected]
[email protected]

Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are
VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their
employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE
out of their company:

John Morgridge, Chairman
Phone: (408) 526-8229
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]

John Chambers, President, CEO
Phone: (408) 526-8222
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]

Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director
Phone: (408) 526-8211
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]

Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations
Phone: (408) 527-7371
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]

Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer
Phone: (408) 526-7008
Fax: (408) 526-8220
Email: [email protected]

Susan Lori Bostrom
Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions Group
Phone: (408) 527-5648
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]

Howard S. Charney
Senior Vice President, Office of the President
Phone: (408) 526-8300
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]

Kate DCamp
Senior Vice President, Human Resources
Phone: (408) 527-9530
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]

Gail Morales
Manager, Human Resources, Employment
Phone: (408) 527-6654
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]

Peggy Lynch
Employee Benefits
Phone: (408) 526-8859
Fax: (408) 527-6080
Email: [email protected]

Mario Mazzola
Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer
Phone: (408) 526-5535
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]

Betsy Rafael
Vice President and Corporate Controller
Phone: (408) 525-0164
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]

Claudia Ceniceros
Manager, Public Relations
Phone: (408) 525-4700
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]

Write, call, and fax:

Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, California 95134-1706, USA
Phone: (408) 526-4000
Fax: (408) 526-4100
(800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387

Have fun!

Skler

This is sort of a technicality, but I think worth understanding. It
would be illogical to presume that the assault weapons ban had any
effect on violent crime at all. The way the law was written, it
remained relatively easy for adults to purchase assault weapons. Only
certain specific assault weapon features were prohibited, such as high
capacity clips, or pistol grips on rifles, granade launcher
configurations (grenades thankfully non existent), bayonets, and with
such features only prohibited in certain combinations. Fully automatic
rifles have never been legal to own without a license, I believe, which
involves Federal registration, but oddly, I don't think the assault
weapons ban affected that element, the licensed & Federally registered
ownership of fully automatic rifles.

The main thing, which I agree with, is that States have always had the
right to establish their own gun control laws. The Federal government,
per the Constitution, does not have the right to interfere with such
regulation, or lack thereof.

Indeed there exists an absurd level of gun proliferation in the US, but
it does not statistically correlate with an increase in the level of
violent crime. I would agree that the unecessary and high degree of
proliferation certainly should be considered as a public safety issue.
Perhaps safety courses & law courses should be mandatory with gun
ownership? I wouldn't object to universal registration either, though
most gun owners would probably argue that registration would allow a
tyrranical government to easily locate guns for confiscation. Anyways,
gun ownership with regard to particular types of firearms is really a
diversion from the primary issue of any manner of technology who's sole
purpose is killing, getting into the hands of people with violent
criminal histories or in the hands of non-adults. It is a serious
problem, but not one to be solved by banning a particular variaion of
weapon. Such legistlation has essentially proved as ineffective and
only served as a fallacious ruse on behalf of politicians vying for
more votes.

Skerl

Austin, Tx

Rod Speed

Thom <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>> Thom wrote
    >>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

    >>>>>>>>> Close to the lowest unemployment rate in the entire world.

    >>>>>>>> 18% is doing fine? Lets not be taken in by the Bush liars who use
    >>>>>>>> only the number of people getting insurance. The real job hunters
    >>>>>>>> are about 18% and 18% of 290 million is larger than many countries.

    >>>>>>> I don't think it's ever possible to provide an accurate number.

    >>>>>> It is however quite feasible to standardise the definition so you
    >>>>>> can compare the rate from country to country and when that is
    >>>>>> done the US still ends up with one of the lowest rates in the world.

    >>>>> 18% is not low.

    >>>> 18% is a lie. Try 5%

    >>> I don't lie

    >> You lie.

    > do you work for the PM's Ministry for propaghanda?

Nope, neither do the ILO or OECD.

    >>> its 18% or more.

    >> You lie.

    > you drink

Everyone does. If you dont, you die.

    > You know zero about the American system.

You lie.

    >>> 5% is how many are getting benifits, not looking for work.

    >> Another lie. The number actually recieving benefits is different.

    > the number that receive the insurance is how they base the numbers.

You're lying again with the ILO and OECD figures and even
you should be able to work that out with the Australian figures
because we dont even have unemployment insurance here.

    > Why? does your bible say different?

No idea, dont bother with that pathetic little collection of fairy
storys only silly little kids would be stupid enough to buy.

    >>> Why is that so hard for you to understand?

    >> Nothing to 'understand'

    > when your a right winger that's right. no space for learning.

Any 3 year old could do MUCH better than that pathetic effort.

    > I haven't figured out what the aussie phrase for dittohead is yet.

Or how the ILO or OECD unemployment figures are obtained either.

    >> Have a look at the ILO and OECD stats, liar.

    > If they lie

They dont.

    > why should I look at them? All I know is there are
    > more out of work homeless than 5% in America

You're lying again.

    > so your either a liar or just dumb.

Or many of the homeless aint even looking
for work, so they aint unemployed, ****wit.

    >>> And that doesn't even include the homeless!

    >> The only 'homeless' in this country
    >> are those who choose to be 'homeless'

    >> And quite a few of those work anyway.

    > yah right and they live on the bus at night and count
    > their huge profits. You don't live there, you know nothing.

You dont live there either, liar.

    > Hows about I turn you loose in 5-points Denver
    > or East LA at night and see how long you last?

I'd do fine. So do hordes of illegal immigrants.

    > Stealing isn't working.

I dont steal.

    >>>>> In Australia the government could fall if more
    >>>>> than a half a million people are looking for work.

    >>>> And the absolute vast bulk of those arent actually looking
    >>>> for work at all, they just claim to be to get the dole.

    >>> Yah right. Everyone just loves living on $390 every 2
    >>> weeks when they can make the average $36,000 a year!

    >> If you have a few kids, you end up with more per week

    > and a bunch more expenses

Not than the same number of kids in a low wage job, ****wit.

You actually have LESS expenses on benefits because you qualify
for various free services you dont qualify for if you are working.

As always, not a ****ing clue.

    >> than in the worst paid work, you silly little pig ignorant clown.

    > You must be a liberal, kill the messenger

You're no 'messenger', just a silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.

    > when you loosing a battle

Pity its you that's getting done like a ****ing
dinner, you silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.

Reams of your pathetic attempts at insults any 2 year
old could leave for dead flushed where they belong.

Whoops, nothing left.

Rod Speed

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Icono Clast <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Thom wrote:

    >> Maybe its because up till recently a nice house was only twice the yearly
    >> average wage.

    > Thrice. Now, around the country, it's running five and more. Here, it's closer
    > to seven.

He was lying about Australia, not the US.

    > Today it was reported that 4/3000 of counties in the USA have one-bedroom
    > rents that can be afforded by a minimum wage worker.

Pity about the single room rents, and those
with more than one minimum wage 'worker'

    > All sorts programs to help those people live in the 2,996 counties they can't
    > afford were suggested.

Yeah, like the govt housing. Funny that.

    > All sorts of programs but the only thing that could possibly approach a
    > solution:

    > Increase the Minimum Wage!

No need. Even you should have noticed that those minimum wage
'workers' arent 'living' on the streets in those other 2,996 counties

    > Increase it to what? Ten percent of what's paid to members of Congress.

Mindlessly silly.

    > When I first looked into it, they were getting eleven times the Minimum Wage.
    > Now they're getting significantly more.

Irrelevant to what makes sense minimum wage wise.

    > Those with the most power in our society are increasing their
    > income while ignoring those with the least power in our society.

Best set fire to yourself in protest or sumfin.

    > It's not only unAmerican,

Obvious lie. Its very american in fact.

    > it also violates the professed values of every major philosophy on Earth.

Tought titty.

Thom

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:30:21 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Thom <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>> The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>> Thom wrote
    >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
    >>>>>>>>>> Close to the lowest unemployment rate in the entire world.
    >>>>>>>>> 18% is doing fine? Lets not be taken in by the Bush liars who use
    >>>>>>>>> only the number of people getting insurance. The real job hunters
    >>>>>>>>> are about 18% and 18% of 290 million is larger than many countries.
    >>>>>>>> I don't think it's ever possible to provide an accurate number.
    >>>>>>> It is however quite feasible to standardise the definition so you
    >>>>>>> can compare the rate from country to country and when that is
    >>>>>>> done the US still ends up with one of the lowest rates in the world.
    >>>>>> 18% is not low.
    >>>>> 18% is a lie. Try 5%
    >>>> I don't lie
    >>> You lie.
    >> do you work for the PM's Ministry for propaghanda?
    >Nope, neither do the ILO or OECD.

ask me if I care since we were talking about the US unemployment rate
    >>>> its 18% or more.
    >>> You lie.
    >> you drink
    >Everyone does. If you dont, you die.
    >> You know zero about the American system.
    >You lie.

see, you prove you know nothing again
    >>>> 5% is how many are getting benifits, not looking for work.
    >>> Another lie. The number actually recieving benefits is different.
    >> the number that receive the insurance is how they base the numbers.
    >You're lying again with the ILO and OECD figures

No I'm not, we're not even talking about Australia, we're discussing
American unemployment, put down the greeny and listen up.
    >and even
    >you should be able to work that out with the Australian figures
    >because we dont even have unemployment insurance here.

we're not talking about Australia

THOM
    >> Why? does your bible say different?
    >No idea, dont bother with that pathetic little collection of fairy
    >storys only silly little kids would be stupid enough to buy.
    >>>> Why is that so hard for you to understand?
    >>> Nothing to 'understand'
    >> when your a right winger that's right. no space for learning.
    >Any 3 year old could do MUCH better than that pathetic effort.
    >> I haven't figured out what the aussie phrase for dittohead is yet.
    >Or how the ILO or OECD unemployment figures are obtained either.
    >>> Have a look at the ILO and OECD stats, liar.
    >> If they lie
    >They dont.
    >> why should I look at them? All I know is there are
    >> more out of work homeless than 5% in America
    >You're lying again.
    >> so your either a liar or just dumb.
    >Or many of the homeless aint even looking
    >for work, so they aint unemployed, ****wit.
    >>>> And that doesn't even include the homeless!
    >>> The only 'homeless' in this country
    >>> are those who choose to be 'homeless'
    >>> And quite a few of those work anyway.
    >> yah right and they live on the bus at night and count
    >> their huge profits. You don't live there, you know nothing.
    >You dont live there either, liar.
    >> Hows about I turn you loose in 5-points Denver
    >> or East LA at night and see how long you last?
    >I'd do fine. So do hordes of illegal immigrants.
    >> Stealing isn't working.
    >I dont steal.
    >>>>>> In Australia the government could fall if more
    >>>>>> than a half a million people are looking for work.
    >>>>> And the absolute vast bulk of those arent actually looking
    >>>>> for work at all, they just claim to be to get the dole.
    >>>> Yah right. Everyone just loves living on $390 every 2
    >>>> weeks when they can make the average $36,000 a year!
    >>> If you have a few kids, you end up with more per week
    >> and a bunch more expenses
    >Not than the same number of kids in a low wage job, ****wit.
    >You actually have LESS expenses on benefits because you qualify
    >for various free services you dont qualify for if you are working.
    >As always, not a ****ing clue.
    >>> than in the worst paid work, you silly little pig ignorant clown.
    >> You must be a liberal, kill the messenger
    >You're no 'messenger', just a silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.
    >> when you loosing a battle
    >Pity its you that's getting done like a ****ing
    >dinner, you silly little pig ignorant pathological liar.
    >Reams of your pathetic attempts at insults any 2 year
    >old could leave for dead flushed where they belong.
    >Whoops, nothing left.

Thom

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:30:57 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Reams of your pathetic attempts at insults any 2 year
    >old could leave for dead flushed where they belong.
    >Whoops, nothing left.

much like Howards policies

THOM
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Thom

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:20:02 -0800, Icono Clast <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Thom wrote:
    >> Maybe its because up till recently a nice house was only twice the
    >> yearly average wage.
    >Thrice. Now, around the country, it's running five and more. Here, it's
    >closer to seven.
    >Today it was reported that 4/3000 of counties in the USA have
    >one-bedroom rents that can be afforded by a minimum wage worker. All
    >sorts programs to help those people live in the 2,996 counties they
    >can't afford were suggested. All sorts of programs but the only thing
    >that could possibly approach a solution:
    >Increase the Minimum Wage! Increase it to what? Ten percent of what's
    >paid to members of Congress. When I first looked into it, they were
    >getting eleven times the Minimum Wage. Now they're getting significantly
    >more. Those with the most power in our society are increasing their
    >income while ignoring those with the least power in our society. It's
    >not only unAmerican, it also violates the professed values of every
    >major philosophy on Earth.

you bring up good points. Sould congress persons wages be based on a
multiple of the average or mean average wage of Americans? Should it
be capped at some point?

I ran for State Parliament in Victoria this last election and had not
the Labor guy dinged me with 58% I would be making exactly 3X's the
average wage here. The average wage here is quite high and cost of
living (though raising under the right wingers in the national
parliament) is lower than the States. A simple example is a
mutli-format DVD player today at US$30.25 at my local super market or
the 80 gig hard drive I got over the weekend at US$43.45. Petrol
(unleaded) was US$2.05 a US gallon as I passed the station but
honestly I don't know if that's more or less than the States.

Theres no reason the USA couldn't pay these kinds of average wages and
have these kinds of prices.

THOM
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