Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
Nov 1st 2004, 4:18 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
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> Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote
>> but 80 years ago Argentina was almost
>> certainly first world - what went wrong?
> Argentina had a significant middle class
> only 10-20 years ago. Not any more.
Wrong.
> Part of the reason for the destruction of their middle class was
> that their government ran up too much debt. Sound famaliar?
It shouldnt, the US debt is nothing like what happened in argentina.
And even someone as stupid as you should be able to
work out that the two economys are quite different too.
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> Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote
>> but 80 years ago Argentina was almost
>> certainly first world - what went wrong?
> Argentina had a significant middle class
> only 10-20 years ago. Not any more.
Wrong.
> Part of the reason for the destruction of their middle class was
> that their government ran up too much debt. Sound famaliar?
It shouldnt, the US debt is nothing like what happened in argentina.
And even someone as stupid as you should be able to
work out that the two economys are quite different too.
Nov 1st 2004, 4:19 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
john <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The Reids <[email protected]> wrote
>> john wrote
>>> Government agencies aren't in the business of making money.
>>> The government gets its money from the private sector.
>>> The less government employees the less taxes we have to pay.
>> why am I not surprised you cant think beyond your tax bill?
>> Like most right wingers you know the price of everything
>> and the value of nothing.
> Oh, I guess I ruffled the feathers of a lowly civil
> clerk working for His Majesty's Government.
Guess again. That silly old fart doesnt even work at all.
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> The Reids <[email protected]> wrote
>> john wrote
>>> Government agencies aren't in the business of making money.
>>> The government gets its money from the private sector.
>>> The less government employees the less taxes we have to pay.
>> why am I not surprised you cant think beyond your tax bill?
>> Like most right wingers you know the price of everything
>> and the value of nothing.
> Oh, I guess I ruffled the feathers of a lowly civil
> clerk working for His Majesty's Government.
Guess again. That silly old fart doesnt even work at all.
Nov 1st 2004, 6:17 am
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Re: Passport Needed???
> >>In any case, I know of people who have done exactly that, boarding
> >>without a passport. They had some difficulties upon arrival, but they
> >>got in.
>
> > OK, which country, and just how many 'difficulties'??? I would be very
> > suprised if you were able to get on any international flight without
> > showing your passport!!! I never have been able to!
> > DFM
>
> As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
> Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
> Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card. And
even then many airlines require a valid passport as ID before they will
check you in and permit boarding.
Hilary
> >>without a passport. They had some difficulties upon arrival, but they
> >>got in.
>
> > OK, which country, and just how many 'difficulties'??? I would be very
> > suprised if you were able to get on any international flight without
> > showing your passport!!! I never have been able to!
> > DFM
>
> As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
> Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
> Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card. And
even then many airlines require a valid passport as ID before they will
check you in and permit boarding.
Hilary
Nov 1st 2004, 6:29 am
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[Hilary]:
> Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
> need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
> one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card.
The UK is *not* a Schengen country, that's why you need a passport.
- Bjorn Munch
> Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
> need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
> one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card.
The UK is *not* a Schengen country, that's why you need a passport.
- Bjorn Munch
Nov 1st 2004, 6:46 am
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Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
> The discussion did concern International flights. Schengen does cause
> them some problems though.
Likewise north American travelers to most of the Caribbean.
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> The discussion did concern International flights. Schengen does cause
> them some problems though.
Likewise north American travelers to most of the Caribbean.
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Nov 1st 2004, 7:49 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:59:17 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:39:25 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:31:50 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>>In any case, I know of people who have done exactly that, boarding
>>>without a passport. They had some difficulties upon arrival, but they
>>>got in.
>>!!!!!!!
>>OK, which country, and just how many 'difficulties'??? I would be very
>>suprised if you were able to get on any international flight without
>>showing your passport!!! I never have been able to!
>A friend of mine once made it to Holland and back from the UK without
>a passport, outgoing she was simply never asked, returning there was
>some convincing explaining that she'd forgotten it (which she had, she
>didn't realise until getting there that she didn't have it), but made
>it okay, immigration asked her a few extra questions, but let her in
>okay.
Within Europe, yeah, I can imagine it, but from the USA?
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DFM
>On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:39:25 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:31:50 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>>In any case, I know of people who have done exactly that, boarding
>>>without a passport. They had some difficulties upon arrival, but they
>>>got in.
>>!!!!!!!
>>OK, which country, and just how many 'difficulties'??? I would be very
>>suprised if you were able to get on any international flight without
>>showing your passport!!! I never have been able to!
>A friend of mine once made it to Holland and back from the UK without
>a passport, outgoing she was simply never asked, returning there was
>some convincing explaining that she'd forgotten it (which she had, she
>didn't realise until getting there that she didn't have it), but made
>it okay, immigration asked her a few extra questions, but let her in
>okay.
Within Europe, yeah, I can imagine it, but from the USA?
---
DFM
Nov 1st 2004, 8:29 am
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Re: Passports??
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 04:42:08 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
<snip>
>>> Even easier when you walk over the border to Mexico. No official on
>>>either side even talk to you.
>> There are no officials on the road borders between some Schengen
>> lands.
>The discussion did concern International flights.
Walking into Mexico is not flying:-)
> Schengen does cause
>them some problems though.
It is totally inconsistent to have strict controls on Schengen air
passengers and not control cars.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
<snip>
>>> Even easier when you walk over the border to Mexico. No official on
>>>either side even talk to you.
>> There are no officials on the road borders between some Schengen
>> lands.
>The discussion did concern International flights.
Walking into Mexico is not flying:-)
> Schengen does cause
>them some problems though.
It is totally inconsistent to have strict controls on Schengen air
passengers and not control cars.
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Nov 1st 2004, 9:06 am
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Re: Passport Needed???
"Hilary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Citing earlier post:
> > As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
> > Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
> > Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
Hilary:
> Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
> need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
> one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card.
Just to clarify, since this could be construed as meaning the UK is a
Schengen country. It isn't. The deal is that residents of other EU
countries, whther or not they are in the Schengen agreement, may use
national identity cards, rather than passports. If the British gov't carries
through its plan to introduce ID cards, they would be reciprocally
recognised by other EU countries.
Alan Harrison
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Citing earlier post:
> > As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
> > Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
> > Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
Hilary:
> Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
> need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
> one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card.
Just to clarify, since this could be construed as meaning the UK is a
Schengen country. It isn't. The deal is that residents of other EU
countries, whther or not they are in the Schengen agreement, may use
national identity cards, rather than passports. If the British gov't carries
through its plan to introduce ID cards, they would be reciprocally
recognised by other EU countries.
Alan Harrison
Nov 1st 2004, 9:54 am
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:17:23 +0000, Hilary <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
>need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
>one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card. And
>even then many airlines require a valid passport as ID before they will
>check you in and permit boarding.
We have taken Ryanair flights from Italy to London Stansted using
only our Italian national ID cards.
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wrote:
>Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
>need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
>one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card. And
>even then many airlines require a valid passport as ID before they will
>check you in and permit boarding.
We have taken Ryanair flights from Italy to London Stansted using
only our Italian national ID cards.
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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Nov 1st 2004, 11:39 am
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Following up to [email protected]
>As a Texan I would like to apologize to the entire world about the idiot
>we let loose. He often confuses countries that start with the same
>letter.
isn't there an election coming up soon?
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>As a Texan I would like to apologize to the entire world about the idiot
>we let loose. He often confuses countries that start with the same
>letter.
isn't there an election coming up soon?
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Nov 1st 2004, 11:39 am
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Following up to [email protected]
>George W. Bush
>for example spent 44% of his time on vacation through 09/11/01.
he might get an even longer one soon! Any bets on how many law
suits after the polls close?
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>George W. Bush
>for example spent 44% of his time on vacation through 09/11/01.
he might get an even longer one soon! Any bets on how many law
suits after the polls close?
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Nov 1st 2004, 11:39 am
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Following up to [email protected]
>>The average American has about 50% German ancestry (the other half
>>typically being English).
>Especially since the saxon" part of Anglo-Saxon refers to a region in
>Germany and the "anglo" part refers to England.
except large numbers of Brits are not of Anglo-Saxon (German via
England) origin, (celts, "vikings", normans etc) and vast numbers
of Americans are not of German or English origin, apart from that
its spot on.
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>>The average American has about 50% German ancestry (the other half
>>typically being English).
>Especially since the saxon" part of Anglo-Saxon refers to a region in
>Germany and the "anglo" part refers to England.
except large numbers of Brits are not of Anglo-Saxon (German via
England) origin, (celts, "vikings", normans etc) and vast numbers
of Americans are not of German or English origin, apart from that
its spot on.
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Nov 1st 2004, 11:39 am
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Following up to Frank F. Matthews
>> there is a current "exodus" of nurses (about 2000) don't know
>> what leave they will get in US? But my Texan friend doesn't get
>> enough to visit here with her husband :-(
>Nurses are a strange situation. Because of the need for 4 shift
>coverage their schedules are often strange. They also commonly work a
>good bit of overtime or alternate jobs. If overtime it may come in the
>form of comp time which results in days off. If they choose pay then
>their vacations are as limited as those of most. I don't know if there
>are problems with accumulating comp time to result in a large block off.
> In any case the nursing market is tight enough that if you ant time
>off just quit. There will be a comparable job around when you get back.
Sounds like a sensible approach which you can do if you are in
demand and have built up a nest egg.
Its all rather odd, we (UK) poach nurses from poorer countries,
US poaches them from us. We should train more of our own nurses
and stop stripping small poor countries of theirs.
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>> there is a current "exodus" of nurses (about 2000) don't know
>> what leave they will get in US? But my Texan friend doesn't get
>> enough to visit here with her husband :-(
>Nurses are a strange situation. Because of the need for 4 shift
>coverage their schedules are often strange. They also commonly work a
>good bit of overtime or alternate jobs. If overtime it may come in the
>form of comp time which results in days off. If they choose pay then
>their vacations are as limited as those of most. I don't know if there
>are problems with accumulating comp time to result in a large block off.
> In any case the nursing market is tight enough that if you ant time
>off just quit. There will be a comparable job around when you get back.
Sounds like a sensible approach which you can do if you are in
demand and have built up a nest egg.
Its all rather odd, we (UK) poach nurses from poorer countries,
US poaches them from us. We should train more of our own nurses
and stop stripping small poor countries of theirs.
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Nov 1st 2004, 11:39 am
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> I order to leave one country, you have to go to another
>> country.
>No, you can leave by boat, and once you are outside the country limit
>your in stateless international waters.
one of the great Mixiisms. :-)
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>> I order to leave one country, you have to go to another
>> country.
>No, you can leave by boat, and once you are outside the country limit
>your in stateless international waters.
one of the great Mixiisms. :-)
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Nov 1st 2004, 11:39 am
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Following up to Deep Frayed Morgues
>Within Europe, yeah, I can imagine it,
the airlines get fined if they take illegal immigrants, I wonder
if I would get past the UK check in desk without my passport?
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>Within Europe, yeah, I can imagine it,
the airlines get fined if they take illegal immigrants, I wonder
if I would get past the UK check in desk without my passport?
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