Now they want us to fly backwards
Apr 13th 2007 | 10:49 pm
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Now they want us to fly backwards
http://travel.independent.co.uk/news_and_advice/article2445785.ece
Now they want us to fly backwards
Published: 14 April 2007
Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
extra comfort.
The Premium Aircraft Interiors Group (Paig), as its name suggests,
usually focuses on first- and business-class seats. But it has set up
a partnership with a group of 10 airlines to study ways to improve
conditions in economy class while boosting ticket revenue.
At present, the number of seats that can be squeezed into each row is
limited by the width of passengers' shoulders. By making alternate
seats backward-facing, this constraint is eased: shoulders can, in
effect, overlap, and an extra seat can be fitted to each row on a wide-
bodied aircraft. On a Boeing 777, for example, each row can have 10
seats rather than the usual nine. The company says an extra 21 seats
can be fitted to a typical configuration of 261 seats.
Two other options have been floated. The same number of seats could
occupy a smaller space, allowing airlines to expand business-class
cabins. Or, by sacrificing just one economy seat, airlines could
provide passengers with an extra four inches of legroom. The
experience of American Airlines, though, suggests the latter is an
unlikely policy: the world's biggest carrier famously removed several
rows of seats to provide extra space in economy, but soon reversed the
move to try to make more money.
Even with more than 20 extra people on each flight, passengers will
benefit as well as airlines, says Paig. Each traveller should gain two
inches of legroom as well as a sense of more space and privacy.
Armrests will still be shared, but competition between elbows for the
so-called "sweet spot" should diminish.
The four seats in the centre of each row could be arranged so that the
outside passengers face aft and the two inner travellers face forward.
This is seen as ideal for families, so that parents can keep an eye on
their children (up to a maximum of two).
For solo travellers, a key benefit is that laptop users need no longer
worry about adjacent passengers reading sensitive data.
Airline industry opinions vary about how readily economy passengers
will accept rear-facing seats. In British Airways' Club World cabin, a
substantial number of passengers face backwards and resistance has
been low. Some airlines have tried the idea in economy class, but
Southwest - the world's most successful airline - has removed its
rearward-facing seats.
Another aircraft seat company, Design Q, has just launched new seats
that allow short-haul airlines to reduce the space between rows
without passengers noticing the difference. The "Close Couple" seat is
claimed to improve comfort while reducing typical seat pitch from 31
to 28 inches.
Finnair is fitting slimline seats to its narrow-bodied Airbus fleet
that will enable 15 more passengers to be carried. The airline says
the seats offer the same degree of comfort while allowing aircraft to
fly more efficiently.
Now they want us to fly backwards
Published: 14 April 2007
Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
extra comfort.
The Premium Aircraft Interiors Group (Paig), as its name suggests,
usually focuses on first- and business-class seats. But it has set up
a partnership with a group of 10 airlines to study ways to improve
conditions in economy class while boosting ticket revenue.
At present, the number of seats that can be squeezed into each row is
limited by the width of passengers' shoulders. By making alternate
seats backward-facing, this constraint is eased: shoulders can, in
effect, overlap, and an extra seat can be fitted to each row on a wide-
bodied aircraft. On a Boeing 777, for example, each row can have 10
seats rather than the usual nine. The company says an extra 21 seats
can be fitted to a typical configuration of 261 seats.
Two other options have been floated. The same number of seats could
occupy a smaller space, allowing airlines to expand business-class
cabins. Or, by sacrificing just one economy seat, airlines could
provide passengers with an extra four inches of legroom. The
experience of American Airlines, though, suggests the latter is an
unlikely policy: the world's biggest carrier famously removed several
rows of seats to provide extra space in economy, but soon reversed the
move to try to make more money.
Even with more than 20 extra people on each flight, passengers will
benefit as well as airlines, says Paig. Each traveller should gain two
inches of legroom as well as a sense of more space and privacy.
Armrests will still be shared, but competition between elbows for the
so-called "sweet spot" should diminish.
The four seats in the centre of each row could be arranged so that the
outside passengers face aft and the two inner travellers face forward.
This is seen as ideal for families, so that parents can keep an eye on
their children (up to a maximum of two).
For solo travellers, a key benefit is that laptop users need no longer
worry about adjacent passengers reading sensitive data.
Airline industry opinions vary about how readily economy passengers
will accept rear-facing seats. In British Airways' Club World cabin, a
substantial number of passengers face backwards and resistance has
been low. Some airlines have tried the idea in economy class, but
Southwest - the world's most successful airline - has removed its
rearward-facing seats.
Another aircraft seat company, Design Q, has just launched new seats
that allow short-haul airlines to reduce the space between rows
without passengers noticing the difference. The "Close Couple" seat is
claimed to improve comfort while reducing typical seat pitch from 31
to 28 inches.
Finnair is fitting slimline seats to its narrow-bodied Airbus fleet
that will enable 15 more passengers to be carried. The airline says
the seats offer the same degree of comfort while allowing aircraft to
fly more efficiently.
Apr 13th 2007 | 10:57 pm
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
On Apr 14, 12:49 pm, "True, you see me inna pants and 'ting See me in
a halter back Say me give you heart attack" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
>
> Now they want us to fly backwards
>
> Published: 14 April 2007
>
> Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
> sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
> seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
> airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
> extra comfort.
I flew "backwards" in BA Club Class recently, and it was very
comfortable. I'd be happy to do so again.
B;
a halter back Say me give you heart attack" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
>
> Now they want us to fly backwards
>
> Published: 14 April 2007
>
> Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
> sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
> seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
> airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
> extra comfort.
I flew "backwards" in BA Club Class recently, and it was very
comfortable. I'd be happy to do so again.
B;
Apr 13th 2007 | 11:00 pm
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
Next step: Procrustes' bed.
On 14 Apr 2007 03:49:23 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, "True, you see me inna pants and
'ting See me in a halter back Say me give you heart attack" <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
...
... Now they want us to fly backwards
...
... Published: 14 April 2007
...
... Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
... sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
... seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
... airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
... extra comfort.
...
... The Premium Aircraft Interiors Group (Paig), as its name suggests,
... usually focuses on first- and business-class seats. But it has set up
... a partnership with a group of 10 airlines to study ways to improve
... conditions in economy class while boosting ticket revenue.
...
... At present, the number of seats that can be squeezed into each row is
... limited by the width of passengers' shoulders. By making alternate
... seats backward-facing, this constraint is eased: shoulders can, in
... effect, overlap, and an extra seat can be fitted to each row on a wide-
... bodied aircraft. On a Boeing 777, for example, each row can have 10
... seats rather than the usual nine. The company says an extra 21 seats
... can be fitted to a typical configuration of 261 seats.
...
... Two other options have been floated. The same number of seats could
... occupy a smaller space, allowing airlines to expand business-class
... cabins. Or, by sacrificing just one economy seat, airlines could
... provide passengers with an extra four inches of legroom. The
... experience of American Airlines, though, suggests the latter is an
... unlikely policy: the world's biggest carrier famously removed several
... rows of seats to provide extra space in economy, but soon reversed the
... move to try to make more money.
...
... Even with more than 20 extra people on each flight, passengers will
... benefit as well as airlines, says Paig. Each traveller should gain two
... inches of legroom as well as a sense of more space and privacy.
... Armrests will still be shared, but competition between elbows for the
... so-called "sweet spot" should diminish.
...
... The four seats in the centre of each row could be arranged so that the
... outside passengers face aft and the two inner travellers face forward.
... This is seen as ideal for families, so that parents can keep an eye on
... their children (up to a maximum of two).
...
... For solo travellers, a key benefit is that laptop users need no longer
... worry about adjacent passengers reading sensitive data.
...
... Airline industry opinions vary about how readily economy passengers
... will accept rear-facing seats. In British Airways' Club World cabin, a
... substantial number of passengers face backwards and resistance has
... been low. Some airlines have tried the idea in economy class, but
... Southwest - the world's most successful airline - has removed its
... rearward-facing seats.
...
... Another aircraft seat company, Design Q, has just launched new seats
... that allow short-haul airlines to reduce the space between rows
... without passengers noticing the difference. The "Close Couple" seat is
... claimed to improve comfort while reducing typical seat pitch from 31
... to 28 inches.
...
... Finnair is fitting slimline seats to its narrow-bodied Airbus fleet
... that will enable 15 more passengers to be carried. The airline says
... the seats offer the same degree of comfort while allowing aircraft to
... fly more efficiently.
On 14 Apr 2007 03:49:23 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, "True, you see me inna pants and
'ting See me in a halter back Say me give you heart attack" <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
...
... Now they want us to fly backwards
...
... Published: 14 April 2007
...
... Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
... sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
... seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
... airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
... extra comfort.
...
... The Premium Aircraft Interiors Group (Paig), as its name suggests,
... usually focuses on first- and business-class seats. But it has set up
... a partnership with a group of 10 airlines to study ways to improve
... conditions in economy class while boosting ticket revenue.
...
... At present, the number of seats that can be squeezed into each row is
... limited by the width of passengers' shoulders. By making alternate
... seats backward-facing, this constraint is eased: shoulders can, in
... effect, overlap, and an extra seat can be fitted to each row on a wide-
... bodied aircraft. On a Boeing 777, for example, each row can have 10
... seats rather than the usual nine. The company says an extra 21 seats
... can be fitted to a typical configuration of 261 seats.
...
... Two other options have been floated. The same number of seats could
... occupy a smaller space, allowing airlines to expand business-class
... cabins. Or, by sacrificing just one economy seat, airlines could
... provide passengers with an extra four inches of legroom. The
... experience of American Airlines, though, suggests the latter is an
... unlikely policy: the world's biggest carrier famously removed several
... rows of seats to provide extra space in economy, but soon reversed the
... move to try to make more money.
...
... Even with more than 20 extra people on each flight, passengers will
... benefit as well as airlines, says Paig. Each traveller should gain two
... inches of legroom as well as a sense of more space and privacy.
... Armrests will still be shared, but competition between elbows for the
... so-called "sweet spot" should diminish.
...
... The four seats in the centre of each row could be arranged so that the
... outside passengers face aft and the two inner travellers face forward.
... This is seen as ideal for families, so that parents can keep an eye on
... their children (up to a maximum of two).
...
... For solo travellers, a key benefit is that laptop users need no longer
... worry about adjacent passengers reading sensitive data.
...
... Airline industry opinions vary about how readily economy passengers
... will accept rear-facing seats. In British Airways' Club World cabin, a
... substantial number of passengers face backwards and resistance has
... been low. Some airlines have tried the idea in economy class, but
... Southwest - the world's most successful airline - has removed its
... rearward-facing seats.
...
... Another aircraft seat company, Design Q, has just launched new seats
... that allow short-haul airlines to reduce the space between rows
... without passengers noticing the difference. The "Close Couple" seat is
... claimed to improve comfort while reducing typical seat pitch from 31
... to 28 inches.
...
... Finnair is fitting slimline seats to its narrow-bodied Airbus fleet
... that will enable 15 more passengers to be carried. The airline says
... the seats offer the same degree of comfort while allowing aircraft to
... fly more efficiently.
Apr 13th 2007 | 11:16 pm
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
"True, you see me inna pants and 'ting See me in a halter back Say me give
you heart attack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
>
> Now they want us to fly backwards
All RAF Transport Command passengers fly backwards for safety reasons.
You've more chance of surviving a crash if you face backwards, like the
cabin staff do...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
you heart attack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
> http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
>
> Now they want us to fly backwards
All RAF Transport Command passengers fly backwards for safety reasons.
You've more chance of surviving a crash if you face backwards, like the
cabin staff do...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Apr 13th 2007 | 11:19 pm
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
>> http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
>>
>> Now they want us to fly backwards
>>
>> Published: 14 April 2007
>>
>> Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
>> sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
>> seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
>> airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
>> extra comfort.
>
> I flew "backwards" in BA Club Class recently, and it was very
> comfortable. I'd be happy to do so again.
>
I seem to recall that passengers in military aircraft fly backwards, and
that was more of a safety thing than anything.
I always sit facing backwards when on a train.
Captain Starlet's SPV also had rear facing seats!
>>
>> Now they want us to fly backwards
>>
>> Published: 14 April 2007
>>
>> Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
>> sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
>> seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
>> airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
>> extra comfort.
>
> I flew "backwards" in BA Club Class recently, and it was very
> comfortable. I'd be happy to do so again.
>
I seem to recall that passengers in military aircraft fly backwards, and
that was more of a safety thing than anything.
I always sit facing backwards when on a train.
Captain Starlet's SPV also had rear facing seats!
Apr 14th 2007 | 12:32 am
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Re: michaelnewport has nothing to say but posts
"True, you see me inna pants and 'ting See me in a halter back Say me give
you heart attack" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news: [email protected] om...
> http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
>
> Now they want us to fly backwards
>
> Published: 14 April 2007
>
> Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
> sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
> seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
> airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
> extra comfort.
>
> The Premium Aircraft Interiors Group (Paig), as its name suggests,
> usually focuses on first- and business-class seats. But it has set up
> a partnership with a group of 10 airlines to study ways to improve
> conditions in economy class while boosting ticket revenue.
>
> At present, the number of seats that can be squeezed into each row is
> limited by the width of passengers' shoulders. By making alternate
> seats backward-facing, this constraint is eased: shoulders can, in
> effect, overlap, and an extra seat can be fitted to each row on a wide-
> bodied aircraft. On a Boeing 777, for example, each row can have 10
> seats rather than the usual nine. The company says an extra 21 seats
> can be fitted to a typical configuration of 261 seats.
>
> Two other options have been floated. The same number of seats could
> occupy a smaller space, allowing airlines to expand business-class
> cabins. Or, by sacrificing just one economy seat, airlines could
> provide passengers with an extra four inches of legroom. The
> experience of American Airlines, though, suggests the latter is an
> unlikely policy: the world's biggest carrier famously removed several
> rows of seats to provide extra space in economy, but soon reversed the
> move to try to make more money.
>
> Even with more than 20 extra people on each flight, passengers will
> benefit as well as airlines, says Paig. Each traveller should gain two
> inches of legroom as well as a sense of more space and privacy.
> Armrests will still be shared, but competition between elbows for the
> so-called "sweet spot" should diminish.
>
> The four seats in the centre of each row could be arranged so that the
> outside passengers face aft and the two inner travellers face forward.
> This is seen as ideal for families, so that parents can keep an eye on
> their children (up to a maximum of two).
>
> For solo travellers, a key benefit is that laptop users need no longer
> worry about adjacent passengers reading sensitive data.
>
> Airline industry opinions vary about how readily economy passengers
> will accept rear-facing seats. In British Airways' Club World cabin, a
> substantial number of passengers face backwards and resistance has
> been low. Some airlines have tried the idea in economy class, but
> Southwest - the world's most successful airline - has removed its
> rearward-facing seats.
>
> Another aircraft seat company, Design Q, has just launched new seats
> that allow short-haul airlines to reduce the space between rows
> without passengers noticing the difference. The "Close Couple" seat is
> claimed to improve comfort while reducing typical seat pitch from 31
> to 28 inches.
>
> Finnair is fitting slimline seats to its narrow-bodied Airbus fleet
> that will enable 15 more passengers to be carried. The airline says
> the seats offer the same degree of comfort while allowing aircraft to
> fly more efficiently.
>
you heart attack" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news: [email protected] om...
> http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
>
> Now they want us to fly backwards
>
> Published: 14 April 2007
>
> Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
> sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
> seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
> airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
> extra comfort.
>
> The Premium Aircraft Interiors Group (Paig), as its name suggests,
> usually focuses on first- and business-class seats. But it has set up
> a partnership with a group of 10 airlines to study ways to improve
> conditions in economy class while boosting ticket revenue.
>
> At present, the number of seats that can be squeezed into each row is
> limited by the width of passengers' shoulders. By making alternate
> seats backward-facing, this constraint is eased: shoulders can, in
> effect, overlap, and an extra seat can be fitted to each row on a wide-
> bodied aircraft. On a Boeing 777, for example, each row can have 10
> seats rather than the usual nine. The company says an extra 21 seats
> can be fitted to a typical configuration of 261 seats.
>
> Two other options have been floated. The same number of seats could
> occupy a smaller space, allowing airlines to expand business-class
> cabins. Or, by sacrificing just one economy seat, airlines could
> provide passengers with an extra four inches of legroom. The
> experience of American Airlines, though, suggests the latter is an
> unlikely policy: the world's biggest carrier famously removed several
> rows of seats to provide extra space in economy, but soon reversed the
> move to try to make more money.
>
> Even with more than 20 extra people on each flight, passengers will
> benefit as well as airlines, says Paig. Each traveller should gain two
> inches of legroom as well as a sense of more space and privacy.
> Armrests will still be shared, but competition between elbows for the
> so-called "sweet spot" should diminish.
>
> The four seats in the centre of each row could be arranged so that the
> outside passengers face aft and the two inner travellers face forward.
> This is seen as ideal for families, so that parents can keep an eye on
> their children (up to a maximum of two).
>
> For solo travellers, a key benefit is that laptop users need no longer
> worry about adjacent passengers reading sensitive data.
>
> Airline industry opinions vary about how readily economy passengers
> will accept rear-facing seats. In British Airways' Club World cabin, a
> substantial number of passengers face backwards and resistance has
> been low. Some airlines have tried the idea in economy class, but
> Southwest - the world's most successful airline - has removed its
> rearward-facing seats.
>
> Another aircraft seat company, Design Q, has just launched new seats
> that allow short-haul airlines to reduce the space between rows
> without passengers noticing the difference. The "Close Couple" seat is
> claimed to improve comfort while reducing typical seat pitch from 31
> to 28 inches.
>
> Finnair is fitting slimline seats to its narrow-bodied Airbus fleet
> that will enable 15 more passengers to be carried. The airline says
> the seats offer the same degree of comfort while allowing aircraft to
> fly more efficiently.
>
Apr 14th 2007 | 4:02 am
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote ...
>>
>> Now they want us to fly backwards
>
> All RAF Transport Command passengers fly backwards for safety reasons.
>
> You've more chance of surviving a crash if you face backwards, like the
> cabin staff do...
>
As we were taught back in my Navy days, when all USN/USAF passenger carrying
a/c had aft facing seats. Those of us of more cynical bent, maintained that
it was really to lessen the phenomena of detached heads, after very sudden
stops, all bunched on the forward bulkhead, and requiring carefully sorting
and matching with headless lower sections.
>>
>> Now they want us to fly backwards
>
> All RAF Transport Command passengers fly backwards for safety reasons.
>
> You've more chance of surviving a crash if you face backwards, like the
> cabin staff do...
>
As we were taught back in my Navy days, when all USN/USAF passenger carrying
a/c had aft facing seats. Those of us of more cynical bent, maintained that
it was really to lessen the phenomena of detached heads, after very sudden
stops, all bunched on the forward bulkhead, and requiring carefully sorting
and matching with headless lower sections.
Apr 14th 2007 | 5:20 am
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
TMOliver wrote on Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:02:01 -0500:
??>>> Now they want us to fly backwards
??>>
??>> All RAF Transport Command passengers fly backwards for
??>> safety reasons.
??>>
??>> You've more chance of surviving a crash if you face
??>> backwards, like the cabin staff do...
??>>
TM>>
As we were taught back in my Navy days, when all USN/USAF
passenger carrying
a/c had aft facing seats. Those of us of more cynical bent,
maintained that
it was really to lessen the phenomena of detached heads, after
very sudden
stops, all bunched on the forward bulkhead, and requiring
carefully sorting
and matching with headless lower sections.
TM>>
A letter to the Economist some weeks ago suggested that it was
to save teeth to allow recognition from dental records and the
yellow vests were to make the bodies easier to find.
Nevertheless, especially as someone who likes an aisle seat and
is not very interested in looking out of the window, I would be
perfectly willing to fly facing backwards.
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not
??>>> Now they want us to fly backwards
??>>
??>> All RAF Transport Command passengers fly backwards for
??>> safety reasons.
??>>
??>> You've more chance of surviving a crash if you face
??>> backwards, like the cabin staff do...
??>>
TM>>
As we were taught back in my Navy days, when all USN/USAF
passenger carrying
a/c had aft facing seats. Those of us of more cynical bent,
maintained that
it was really to lessen the phenomena of detached heads, after
very sudden
stops, all bunched on the forward bulkhead, and requiring
carefully sorting
and matching with headless lower sections.
TM>>
A letter to the Economist some weeks ago suggested that it was
to save teeth to allow recognition from dental records and the
yellow vests were to make the bodies easier to find.
Nevertheless, especially as someone who likes an aisle seat and
is not very interested in looking out of the window, I would be
perfectly willing to fly facing backwards.
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not
Apr 14th 2007 | 7:26 am
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
> Next step: Procrustes' bed.
What's wrong with you, woman? You quote 66 lines of text in order to add
a four-word ha-ha followup. Have you never heard of _snipping_ ?
cheers,
Henry
> Next step: Procrustes' bed.
What's wrong with you, woman? You quote 66 lines of text in order to add
a four-word ha-ha followup. Have you never heard of _snipping_ ?
cheers,
Henry
Apr 14th 2007 | 7:36 am
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:26:00 +0300, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Henry)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
...
... > Next step: Procrustes' bed.
...
... What's wrong with you, woman? You quote 66 lines of text in order to add
... a four-word ha-ha followup. Have you never heard of _snipping_ ?
...
... cheers,
...
... Henry
Bugger off, man.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
...
... > Next step: Procrustes' bed.
...
... What's wrong with you, woman? You quote 66 lines of text in order to add
... a four-word ha-ha followup. Have you never heard of _snipping_ ?
...
... cheers,
...
... Henry
Bugger off, man.
Apr 14th 2007 | 8:10 am
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
Magda:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:26:00 +0300, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Henry)
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
> ...
> ... > Next step: Procrustes' bed.
> ...
> ... What's wrong with you, woman?
[try and snip!]
> Bugger off, man.
He _is_ right, though!
And he didn't even complain about that longish "...arranged some
electrons..." attribute line!
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:26:00 +0300, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Henry)
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
> ...
> ... > Next step: Procrustes' bed.
> ...
> ... What's wrong with you, woman?
[try and snip!]
> Bugger off, man.
He _is_ right, though!
And he didn't even complain about that longish "...arranged some
electrons..." attribute line!
Apr 14th 2007 | 8:25 am
#12
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:10:33 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... Magda:
... > On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:26:00 +0300, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Henry)
... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... > Next step: Procrustes' bed.
... > ...
... > ... What's wrong with you, woman?
... [try and snip!]
...
... > Bugger off, man.
...
... He _is_ right, though!
...
... And he didn't even complain about that longish "...arranged some
... electrons..." attribute line!
I was the first to comment. Many people don't get the original post. Will you kiddies stop
bickering now??
(And my line is mine, you can't touch it, so don't even try. Na!)
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... Magda:
... > On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:26:00 +0300, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Henry)
... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... >
... > ... Magda <magda@eu> wrote:
... > ...
... > ... > Next step: Procrustes' bed.
... > ...
... > ... What's wrong with you, woman?
... [try and snip!]
...
... > Bugger off, man.
...
... He _is_ right, though!
...
... And he didn't even complain about that longish "...arranged some
... electrons..." attribute line!
I was the first to comment. Many people don't get the original post. Will you kiddies stop
bickering now??
(And my line is mine, you can't touch it, so don't even try. Na!)
Apr 14th 2007 | 9:18 am
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
James Silverton wrote:
> Nevertheless, especially as someone who likes an aisle seat and
> is not very interested in looking out of the window, I would be
> perfectly willing to fly facing backwards.
However, if in a row, seats alternate between forward and backwards
facing, then if the A seat faces forward, the B seat faces backwards and
C seat faces forwards, then "B" from row 1 will have a very good view of
A and C passengers in row 2. (and vice versa).
If Row 2 is populated with supermodels with short skirts, then the guy
in seat 1 B will have an incredible view, especially as the supermodels
recline or bend down to pick some hand luggage under the seat in front
of them.
While the concept may be interesting in terms of making seats narrower
while keeping wide shoulder levels, it would make it impossible to have
orderly and quick evacuation of the aircraft. The seat bottom of 1B
would block the way for 2A to get out.
> Nevertheless, especially as someone who likes an aisle seat and
> is not very interested in looking out of the window, I would be
> perfectly willing to fly facing backwards.
However, if in a row, seats alternate between forward and backwards
facing, then if the A seat faces forward, the B seat faces backwards and
C seat faces forwards, then "B" from row 1 will have a very good view of
A and C passengers in row 2. (and vice versa).
If Row 2 is populated with supermodels with short skirts, then the guy
in seat 1 B will have an incredible view, especially as the supermodels
recline or bend down to pick some hand luggage under the seat in front
of them.
While the concept may be interesting in terms of making seats narrower
while keeping wide shoulder levels, it would make it impossible to have
orderly and quick evacuation of the aircraft. The seat bottom of 1B
would block the way for 2A to get out.
Apr 14th 2007 | 10:26 am
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
Nobody wrote on Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:18:58 -0400:
N> James Silverton wrote:
??>> Nevertheless, especially as someone who likes an aisle
??>> seat and is not very interested in looking out of the
??>> window, I would be perfectly willing to fly facing
??>> backwards.
N> However, if in a row, seats alternate between forward and
N> backwards facing, then if the A seat faces forward, the B
N> seat faces backwards and C seat faces forwards, then "B"
N> from row 1 will have a very good view of A and C passengers
N> in row 2. (and vice versa).
N> If Row 2 is populated with supermodels with short skirts,
N> then the guy in seat 1 B will have an incredible view,
N> especially as the supermodels recline or bend down to pick
N> some hand luggage under the seat in front of them.
No, I am willing to fly backwards for safety but that means
everyone flies backwords. I am not interested in improving
airline profits at the cost of safety and I'm sure alternating
seats are something I would resist.
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not
N> James Silverton wrote:
??>> Nevertheless, especially as someone who likes an aisle
??>> seat and is not very interested in looking out of the
??>> window, I would be perfectly willing to fly facing
??>> backwards.
N> However, if in a row, seats alternate between forward and
N> backwards facing, then if the A seat faces forward, the B
N> seat faces backwards and C seat faces forwards, then "B"
N> from row 1 will have a very good view of A and C passengers
N> in row 2. (and vice versa).
N> If Row 2 is populated with supermodels with short skirts,
N> then the guy in seat 1 B will have an incredible view,
N> especially as the supermodels recline or bend down to pick
N> some hand luggage under the seat in front of them.
No, I am willing to fly backwards for safety but that means
everyone flies backwords. I am not interested in improving
airline profits at the cost of safety and I'm sure alternating
seats are something I would resist.
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not
Apr 14th 2007 | 12:39 pm
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Re: Now they want us to fly backwards
On 14 Apr 2007 03:49:23 -0700 'True, you see me inna pants and 'ting
See me in a halter back Say me give you heart attack'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:
>http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
>
>Now they want us to fly backwards
>
>Published: 14 April 2007
>
>Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
>sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
>seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
>airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
>extra comfort.
I bet they don't mention the lack of privacy this will cause or the
additional unpleasentness of more eye-contact and eyeballing...
See me in a halter back Say me give you heart attack'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:
>http://travel.independent.co.uk/news...cle2445785.ece
>
>Now they want us to fly backwards
>
>Published: 14 April 2007
>
>Forget "cattle class": passengers in economy could soon be flying
>sardine class. An aircraft seating firm has come up with a concept to
>seat travellers alternately facing forwards and backwards, and says
>airlines could squeeze in another 8 per cent seats - while offering
>extra comfort.
I bet they don't mention the lack of privacy this will cause or the
additional unpleasentness of more eye-contact and eyeballing...
