Norway - am I crazy
May 20th 2005, 3:40 am
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Re: Norway - am I crazy
On Fri, 20 May 2005 10:20:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>In message <[email protected] .com>,
>[email protected] writes
>>if you go up north dont forget to taste some whale meat
>I'm just considering a trip to Norway this year but it is a difficult
>ethical question. Given that well over 99% of British people don't
>visit Norway in any year, one more boycotting it is not likely to be
>noticed.
Just eat the stuff, the whale won't miss a small bit. I did, and it's
really good, albeit expensive. A bit like a good steak IIRC.
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>In message <[email protected] .com>,
>[email protected] writes
>>if you go up north dont forget to taste some whale meat
>I'm just considering a trip to Norway this year but it is a difficult
>ethical question. Given that well over 99% of British people don't
>visit Norway in any year, one more boycotting it is not likely to be
>noticed.
Just eat the stuff, the whale won't miss a small bit. I did, and it's
really good, albeit expensive. A bit like a good steak IIRC.
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May 20th 2005, 5:35 am
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<[email protected]> wrote:
> In message <[email protected] .com>,
> [email protected] writes
>
> >if you go up north dont forget to taste some whale meat
>
> I'm just considering a trip to Norway this year but it is a difficult
> ethical question. Given that well over 99% of British people don't
> visit Norway in any year, one more boycotting it is not likely to be
> noticed.
>
> Perhaps going and then writing to the Norwegian ambassador on the lines
> of 'I enjoyed the countryside but I was horrified to see whale meat on
> sale. I'll never visit again and have warned all my friends.' would be
> more effective.
I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
meat/fish. It's still just an animal. Besides, you're very unlikely to
encounter whale meat in Norway. I've never seen it or eaten it, and I
visit quite a bit- and am half Norwegian
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> In message <[email protected] .com>,
> [email protected] writes
>
> >if you go up north dont forget to taste some whale meat
>
> I'm just considering a trip to Norway this year but it is a difficult
> ethical question. Given that well over 99% of British people don't
> visit Norway in any year, one more boycotting it is not likely to be
> noticed.
>
> Perhaps going and then writing to the Norwegian ambassador on the lines
> of 'I enjoyed the countryside but I was horrified to see whale meat on
> sale. I'll never visit again and have warned all my friends.' would be
> more effective.
I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
meat/fish. It's still just an animal. Besides, you're very unlikely to
encounter whale meat in Norway. I've never seen it or eaten it, and I
visit quite a bit- and am half Norwegian
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
May 20th 2005, 7:17 am
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In message <1gwvi7n.1a73qtafi5py8N%this_address_is_for_spam@y ahoo.com>,
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
<[email protected]> writes
>I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
>meat/fish. It's still just an animal.
The major objections to killing whales are
Intelligence - even if they're only as intelligent as humans they
deserve a certain level of respect.
<http://mindprod.com/intel.html> has some information / speculation.
Cruelty - while far from perfect, the slaughter of farmed animals is
organised to minimise suffering.
<http://www.wspa.org.uk/data/080304_173035_TroubledWatersWhaleReport.pdf>
In his foreword to the report, naturalist and broadcaster Sir David
Attenborough describes how it contains: '...hard scientific
dispassionate evidence that there is no humane way to kill a
whale at sea.'
Rarity - there may be a few million of the most common whales.
This is too few even compared to the human population of Norway.
<http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/estimate.htm>
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Gronkster
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
<[email protected]> writes
>I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
>meat/fish. It's still just an animal.
The major objections to killing whales are
Intelligence - even if they're only as intelligent as humans they
deserve a certain level of respect.
<http://mindprod.com/intel.html> has some information / speculation.
Cruelty - while far from perfect, the slaughter of farmed animals is
organised to minimise suffering.
<http://www.wspa.org.uk/data/080304_173035_TroubledWatersWhaleReport.pdf>
In his foreword to the report, naturalist and broadcaster Sir David
Attenborough describes how it contains: '...hard scientific
dispassionate evidence that there is no humane way to kill a
whale at sea.'
Rarity - there may be a few million of the most common whales.
This is too few even compared to the human population of Norway.
<http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/estimate.htm>
--
Gronkster
May 20th 2005, 7:31 am
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[email protected] wrote:
> In message
<1gwvi7n.1a73qtafi5py8N%this_address_is_for_spam@y ahoo.com>,
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
> <[email protected]> writes
> >I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
> >meat/fish. It's still just an animal.
> The major objections to killing whales are
> Intelligence - even if they're only as intelligent as humans they
> deserve a certain level of respect.
> <http://mindprod.com/intel.html> has some information / speculation.
> Cruelty - while far from perfect, the slaughter of farmed animals is
> organised to minimise suffering.
<http://www.wspa.org.uk/data/080304_173035_TroubledWatersWhaleReport.pdf>
> In his foreword to the report, naturalist and broadcaster Sir David
> Attenborough describes how it contains: '...hard scientific
> dispassionate evidence that there is no humane way to kill a
> whale at sea.'
> Rarity - there may be a few million of the most common whales.
> This is too few even compared to the human population of Norway.
> <http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/estimate.htm>
> --
> Gronkster
perhaps get yourself invited on a whaling trip, they invited the press
on board a couple of weeks back to explain their point of view.
> In message
<1gwvi7n.1a73qtafi5py8N%this_address_is_for_spam@y ahoo.com>,
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
> <[email protected]> writes
> >I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
> >meat/fish. It's still just an animal.
> The major objections to killing whales are
> Intelligence - even if they're only as intelligent as humans they
> deserve a certain level of respect.
> <http://mindprod.com/intel.html> has some information / speculation.
> Cruelty - while far from perfect, the slaughter of farmed animals is
> organised to minimise suffering.
<http://www.wspa.org.uk/data/080304_173035_TroubledWatersWhaleReport.pdf>
> In his foreword to the report, naturalist and broadcaster Sir David
> Attenborough describes how it contains: '...hard scientific
> dispassionate evidence that there is no humane way to kill a
> whale at sea.'
> Rarity - there may be a few million of the most common whales.
> This is too few even compared to the human population of Norway.
> <http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/estimate.htm>
> --
> Gronkster
perhaps get yourself invited on a whaling trip, they invited the press
on board a couple of weeks back to explain their point of view.
May 21st 2005, 2:47 am
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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1gwvi7n.1a73qtafi5py8N%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In message <[email protected] .com>,
>> [email protected] writes
>> >if you go up north dont forget to taste some whale meat
>> I'm just considering a trip to Norway this year but it is a difficult
>> ethical question. Given that well over 99% of British people don't
>> visit Norway in any year, one more boycotting it is not likely to be
>> noticed.
>> Perhaps going and then writing to the Norwegian ambassador on the lines
>> of 'I enjoyed the countryside but I was horrified to see whale meat on
>> sale. I'll never visit again and have warned all my friends.' would be
>> more effective.
> I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
> meat/fish. It's still just an animal. Besides, you're very unlikely to
> encounter whale meat in Norway. I've never seen it or eaten it, and I
> visit quite a bit- and am half Norwegian
> --
> David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
were there in 2003.
David
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1gwvi7n.1a73qtafi5py8N%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In message <[email protected] .com>,
>> [email protected] writes
>> >if you go up north dont forget to taste some whale meat
>> I'm just considering a trip to Norway this year but it is a difficult
>> ethical question. Given that well over 99% of British people don't
>> visit Norway in any year, one more boycotting it is not likely to be
>> noticed.
>> Perhaps going and then writing to the Norwegian ambassador on the lines
>> of 'I enjoyed the countryside but I was horrified to see whale meat on
>> sale. I'll never visit again and have warned all my friends.' would be
>> more effective.
> I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
> meat/fish. It's still just an animal. Besides, you're very unlikely to
> encounter whale meat in Norway. I've never seen it or eaten it, and I
> visit quite a bit- and am half Norwegian
> --
> David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
were there in 2003.
David
May 21st 2005, 3:01 am
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"David K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1gwvi7n.1a73qtafi5py8N%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> In message <[email protected] .com>,
> >> [email protected] writes
> >>
> >> >if you go up north dont forget to taste some whale meat
> >>
> >> I'm just considering a trip to Norway this year but it is a difficult
> >> ethical question. Given that well over 99% of British people don't
> >> visit Norway in any year, one more boycotting it is not likely to be
> >> noticed.
> >>
> >> Perhaps going and then writing to the Norwegian ambassador on the lines
> >> of 'I enjoyed the countryside but I was horrified to see whale meat on
> >> sale. I'll never visit again and have warned all my friends.' would be
> >> more effective.
> >
> > I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
> > meat/fish. It's still just an animal. Besides, you're very unlikely to
> > encounter whale meat in Norway. I've never seen it or eaten it, and I
> > visit quite a bit- and am half Norwegian
> >
> > --
> > David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
> > usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
> were there in 2003.
> David
Those seal skin slippers from Bergan market are great - they seem to last
years.
Luckily I have a friend in Bergen who sends me new ones every 10 years or
so.
news:[email protected]...
> "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1gwvi7n.1a73qtafi5py8N%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> In message <[email protected] .com>,
> >> [email protected] writes
> >>
> >> >if you go up north dont forget to taste some whale meat
> >>
> >> I'm just considering a trip to Norway this year but it is a difficult
> >> ethical question. Given that well over 99% of British people don't
> >> visit Norway in any year, one more boycotting it is not likely to be
> >> noticed.
> >>
> >> Perhaps going and then writing to the Norwegian ambassador on the lines
> >> of 'I enjoyed the countryside but I was horrified to see whale meat on
> >> sale. I'll never visit again and have warned all my friends.' would be
> >> more effective.
> >
> > I don't see any difference between whale meat and any other kind of
> > meat/fish. It's still just an animal. Besides, you're very unlikely to
> > encounter whale meat in Norway. I've never seen it or eaten it, and I
> > visit quite a bit- and am half Norwegian
> >
> > --
> > David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
> > usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
> were there in 2003.
> David
Those seal skin slippers from Bergan market are great - they seem to last
years.
Luckily I have a friend in Bergen who sends me new ones every 10 years or
so.
May 22nd 2005, 5:44 am
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David K <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
> were there in 2003.
Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
[]
> Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
> were there in 2003.
Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
May 22nd 2005, 6:23 am
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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1gwz7s1.ea39c91157kgqN%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
> David K <[email protected]> wrote:
> []
> > Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when
we
> > were there in 2003.
> Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
> there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
> it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
I've seen whale meat on sale at Bergen market too.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1gwz7s1.ea39c91157kgqN%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
> David K <[email protected]> wrote:
> []
> > Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when
we
> > were there in 2003.
> Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
> there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
> it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
I've seen whale meat on sale at Bergen market too.
May 22nd 2005, 9:33 am
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
> David K <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>
>>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
>>were there in 2003.
>
>
> Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
> there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
> it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
>
It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
> David K <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>
>>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
>>were there in 2003.
>
>
> Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
> there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
> it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
>
It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
May 22nd 2005, 9:53 am
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Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
>
> > David K <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > []
> >
> >>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
> >>were there in 2003.
> >
> >
> > Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
> > there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
> > it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
> >
> It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
Which is why I conceded that I didn't notice it- whale meat just doesn't
figure on my radar screen- it's not something I've ever had while living
in Norway or while visiting. The only relatives of mine who mention it
are doing just that- mentioning it.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
>
> > David K <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > []
> >
> >>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
> >>were there in 2003.
> >
> >
> > Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
> > there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
> > it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
> >
> It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
Which is why I conceded that I didn't notice it- whale meat just doesn't
figure on my radar screen- it's not something I've ever had while living
in Norway or while visiting. The only relatives of mine who mention it
are doing just that- mentioning it.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
May 23rd 2005, 12:39 am
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
> > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
wrote:
> >
> > > David K <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > []
> > >
> > >>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen
when we
> > >>were there in 2003.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale
meat
> > > there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never
eaten
> > > it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
> > >
> > It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
> Which is why I conceded that I didn't notice it- whale meat just
doesn't
> figure on my radar screen- it's not something I've ever had while
living
> in Norway or while visiting. The only relatives of mine who mention
it
> are doing just that- mentioning it.
> --
> David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
whale meat again,
dont know where dont know when.....
wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
> > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
wrote:
> >
> > > David K <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > []
> > >
> > >>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen
when we
> > >>were there in 2003.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale
meat
> > > there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never
eaten
> > > it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
> > >
> > It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
> Which is why I conceded that I didn't notice it- whale meat just
doesn't
> figure on my radar screen- it's not something I've ever had while
living
> in Norway or while visiting. The only relatives of mine who mention
it
> are doing just that- mentioning it.
> --
> David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
whale meat again,
dont know where dont know when.....
May 23rd 2005, 2:54 am
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On 23 May 2005 05:39:28 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
>wrote:
>> Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
>wrote:
>> >
>> > > David K <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > []
>> > >
>> > >>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen
>when we
>> > >>were there in 2003.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale
>meat
>> > > there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never
>eaten
>> > > it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
>> > >
>> > It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
>> Which is why I conceded that I didn't notice it- whale meat just
>doesn't
>> figure on my radar screen- it's not something I've ever had while
>living
>> in Norway or while visiting. The only relatives of mine who mention
>it
>> are doing just that- mentioning it.
>> --
>> David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
>> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
>whale meat again,
>dont know where dont know when.....
This isn't the plaice for finn-ish puns ...
>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
>wrote:
>> Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
>wrote:
>> >
>> > > David K <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > []
>> > >
>> > >>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen
>when we
>> > >>were there in 2003.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale
>meat
>> > > there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never
>eaten
>> > > it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
>> > >
>> > It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
>> Which is why I conceded that I didn't notice it- whale meat just
>doesn't
>> figure on my radar screen- it's not something I've ever had while
>living
>> in Norway or while visiting. The only relatives of mine who mention
>it
>> are doing just that- mentioning it.
>> --
>> David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
>> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
>whale meat again,
>dont know where dont know when.....
This isn't the plaice for finn-ish puns ...
May 23rd 2005, 10:45 am
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"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected].. .
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
>> David K <[email protected]> wrote:
>> []
>>>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
>>>were there in 2003.
>> Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
>> there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
>> it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
> It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
Of course we used to get whale meat here in the UK near the end of the war.
Then I guess we did not know any better, actually I only ate it once and did
not like it. I lived in Leith and probably whalers set out from there as
Christian Salvesons were based there. Certainly a friends older brother went
whaling and used to come home with £1,000 for a six month trip, big money
then.
David.
news:[email protected].. .
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
>> David K <[email protected]> wrote:
>> []
>>>Whale meat and seal skins on sale at the outside market in Bergen when we
>>>were there in 2003.
>> Well, I just don't look then, because I've never noticed whale meat
>> there- or it's never been pointed out to me. I've certainly never eaten
>> it, and I grew up around 30 miles outside Bergen.
> It certainly was there about 5 years ago. At several stands.
Of course we used to get whale meat here in the UK near the end of the war.
Then I guess we did not know any better, actually I only ate it once and did
not like it. I lived in Leith and probably whalers set out from there as
Christian Salvesons were based there. Certainly a friends older brother went
whaling and used to come home with £1,000 for a six month trip, big money
then.
David.
