Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
May 21st 2005, 3:12 am
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Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/tr...erland&emc=rss
or
http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
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May 21st 2005, 3:41 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
On Sat, 21 May 2005 08:12:12 -0700, "Ken Blake"
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>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/tr...erland&emc=rss
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
was a pretty good article.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/tr...erland&emc=rss
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
was a pretty good article.
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May 21st 2005, 5:27 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>
> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
> was a pretty good article.
That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
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>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>
> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
> was a pretty good article.
That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
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May 21st 2005, 6:40 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
BB wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
> That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit
to
> Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
> unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian
language?
With some careful planning (and including some help from Barbara), my
wife and visited Le Marche in fall 2002. We rented a car in Bologna
and toured mostly the northern part of Le Marche. You can google some
trip reports I posted on r.t.e back then.
My wife and I have only bare tourist Italian, but we hope our
enthusiasm and willingness to try made up for not knowing the language.
We very much enjoyed Le Marche, and found it much more relaxed and
casual than Tuscany. There are not nearly as many shoe stores. :-)
On the other hand, since it is not very touristy, there were times when
it was dicey finding a hotel or restaurant in the smaller towns. At
least in 2002, it was much cheaper than Tuscany.
No one thought we were American -- most folks assumed we were German,
and were surprised when we told them where we were from. In a way, I
am sorry about the NYT article -- maybe the next time we go, there will
be hordes of tourists.
*>UncaMikey
P.S. Hi Barbara! One of my screen saver photos is of the Polenta
Well, looking down that street from the high end and then out over the
countryside beyond the town wall.
> On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
> That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit
to
> Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
> unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian
language?
With some careful planning (and including some help from Barbara), my
wife and visited Le Marche in fall 2002. We rented a car in Bologna
and toured mostly the northern part of Le Marche. You can google some
trip reports I posted on r.t.e back then.
My wife and I have only bare tourist Italian, but we hope our
enthusiasm and willingness to try made up for not knowing the language.
We very much enjoyed Le Marche, and found it much more relaxed and
casual than Tuscany. There are not nearly as many shoe stores. :-)
On the other hand, since it is not very touristy, there were times when
it was dicey finding a hotel or restaurant in the smaller towns. At
least in 2002, it was much cheaper than Tuscany.
No one thought we were American -- most folks assumed we were German,
and were surprised when we told them where we were from. In a way, I
am sorry about the NYT article -- maybe the next time we go, there will
be hordes of tourists.
*>UncaMikey
P.S. Hi Barbara! One of my screen saver photos is of the Polenta
Well, looking down that street from the high end and then out over the
countryside beyond the town wall.
May 21st 2005, 10:21 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:20 +0000 (UTC), BB
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>>
>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
>> was a pretty good article.
>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
language difficulties. A little knowledge of Spanish would help, too.
I know several people who have toures Le Marche without knowing
Italian.
Actually, the NY Times article mentioned above covered the area of Le
Marche from Urbino south to Ascoli Piceno. There is also some very
pretty country north of Urbino (San Leo, for example is a very
impressive castle/fortress on top of a cliff. There is also some very
pretty scenery west of the route the article covered.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>>
>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
>> was a pretty good article.
>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
language difficulties. A little knowledge of Spanish would help, too.
I know several people who have toures Le Marche without knowing
Italian.
Actually, the NY Times article mentioned above covered the area of Le
Marche from Urbino south to Ascoli Piceno. There is also some very
pretty country north of Urbino (San Leo, for example is a very
impressive castle/fortress on top of a cliff. There is also some very
pretty scenery west of the route the article covered.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
May 21st 2005, 11:34 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B
Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>I know several people who have toures Le Marche without knowing
>Italian.
You do? Seriously?
I toured much of Italy and most of Europe as a monolinguist.
I tried three years of French and Latin in High School;
which was more than adequate proof that genetically I have
no talent for languages. In fact, in the UK and US they
didn't consider that I spoke English either.
Although I did have a couple of folks we met in new Orleans
compliment us on our English - but then, they thought
Australia was right next to Hungary.
Lots of smiles and taking the trouble to learn phonetically
"Please", "Thank You", and "Toilet/Bathroom" in the local
language can go a long way. PolyGlob became very
well-thumbed.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>I know several people who have toures Le Marche without knowing
>Italian.
You do? Seriously?
I toured much of Italy and most of Europe as a monolinguist.
I tried three years of French and Latin in High School;
which was more than adequate proof that genetically I have
no talent for languages. In fact, in the UK and US they
didn't consider that I spoke English either.
Although I did have a couple of folks we met in new Orleans
compliment us on our English - but then, they thought
Australia was right next to Hungary.
Lots of smiles and taking the trouble to learn phonetically
"Please", "Thank You", and "Toilet/Bathroom" in the local
language can go a long way. PolyGlob became very
well-thumbed.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
May 21st 2005, 7:54 pm
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:20 +0000 (UTC), BB
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>>>
>>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
>>> was a pretty good article.
>>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
>>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
>>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
>In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
>Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
>language difficulties.
Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
that is.
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>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:20 +0000 (UTC), BB
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>>>
>>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
>>> was a pretty good article.
>>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
>>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
>>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
>In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
>Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
>language difficulties.
Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
that is.
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May 22nd 2005, 1:29 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
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> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:20 +0000 (UTC), BB
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
> >>
> >>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
> >>>
> >>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
> >>> was a pretty good article.
> >>
> >>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
> >>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
> >>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
> >
> >In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
> >Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
> >language difficulties.
> Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
> In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
> anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
> that is.
It is certainly a skill I have learnt with my limited language skills, but I
still havent found an acceptable sign language for 'where is the toilet ?'
message news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:20 +0000 (UTC), BB
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
> >>
> >>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
> >>>
> >>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
> >>> was a pretty good article.
> >>
> >>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
> >>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
> >>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
> >
> >In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
> >Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
> >language difficulties.
> Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
> In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
> anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
> that is.
It is certainly a skill I have learnt with my limited language skills, but I
still havent found an acceptable sign language for 'where is the toilet ?'
May 22nd 2005, 2:49 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:29:12 -0400, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:20 +0000 (UTC), BB
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
>> >>> was a pretty good article.
>> >>
>> >>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
>> >>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
>> >>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
>> >
>> >In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
>> >Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
>> >language difficulties.
>> Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
>> In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
>> anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
>> that is.
>It is certainly a skill I have learnt with my limited language skills, but I
>still havent found an acceptable sign language for 'where is the toilet ?'
Have you tried squatting on the bar?
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>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:20 +0000 (UTC), BB
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
>> >>> was a pretty good article.
>> >>
>> >>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
>> >>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
>> >>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
>> >
>> >In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
>> >Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
>> >language difficulties.
>> Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
>> In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
>> anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
>> that is.
>It is certainly a skill I have learnt with my limited language skills, but I
>still havent found an acceptable sign language for 'where is the toilet ?'
Have you tried squatting on the bar?
May 22nd 2005, 5:09 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
In a similar article, the Washington Post featured Puglia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052000638.html
On Sat, 21 May 2005 08:12:12 -0700, "Ken Blake"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/tr...erland&emc=rss
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052000638.html
On Sat, 21 May 2005 08:12:12 -0700, "Ken Blake"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/tr...erland&emc=rss
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
May 22nd 2005, 7:06 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:29:12 -0400, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:20 +0000 (UTC), BB
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
>> >>> was a pretty good article.
>> >>
>> >>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
>> >>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
>> >>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
>> >
>> >In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
>> >Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
>> >language difficulties.
>> Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
>> In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
>> anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
>> that is.
>It is certainly a skill I have learnt with my limited language skills, but I
>still havent found an acceptable sign language for 'where is the toilet ?'
The word "toilet" is understood in many parts of the world, but
alternatively make hand signs like you are washing your hands. This
should get you in to right area.
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>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:27:20 +0000 (UTC), BB
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:41:33 +0200, B Vaughan wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>http://tinyurl.com/c9xf4
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes; I can't believe they didn't mention Corinaldo. Other than that it
>> >>> was a pretty good article.
>> >>
>> >>That is some beautiful countryside! We're planning an extended visit to
>> >>Italy, but I don't expect to be very fluent in Italian - would it be
>> >>unwise to tour this area without a good grasp on the Italian language?
>> >
>> >In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
>> >Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
>> >language difficulties.
>> Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
>> In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
>> anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
>> that is.
>It is certainly a skill I have learnt with my limited language skills, but I
>still havent found an acceptable sign language for 'where is the toilet ?'
The word "toilet" is understood in many parts of the world, but
alternatively make hand signs like you are washing your hands. This
should get you in to right area.
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May 22nd 2005, 7:27 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
On Sun, 22 May 2005 07:54:10 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
>>Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
>>language difficulties.
>Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
>In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
>anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
>that is.
In my experience, it works a lot better in Italy than in Spain or
France.
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My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:47 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>In my experience you can manage almost anywhere in Italy without much
>>Italian. Italians are very good at communicating regardless of
>>language difficulties.
>Using the hands is certainly favoured by them! :o)
>In fact, you don't need to limit that theory just to Italy. It works
>anywhere in the world if you don't know the language. For the basics
>that is.
In my experience, it works a lot better in Italy than in Spain or
France.
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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
May 23rd 2005, 11:21 am
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Re: Barbara Vaughan - Have You Seen This NY Times Article on Le Marche?
>>>>> It is certainly a skill I have learnt with my limited language skills,
>>>>> but I still havent found an acceptable sign language for 'where is the
>>>>> toilet ?'
Dancing and clutching?
>>>>> but I still havent found an acceptable sign language for 'where is the
>>>>> toilet ?'
Dancing and clutching?
