New train tested at 348km/h in Italy
#196
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Minimum interval on LGV PSE (upgraded TVM-300) is at 4 min.
To secure a robust timetable, only 12 paths our of 15 are used.
This nothwistanding, there are plans to upgrade PSE-Lyria and PSE-BFC
sets for 300km/h, possibly with TVM-430. That would increase capacity
to 13 t.p.h.
The problem is that SNCF wants RFF to contribute to this rolling-stock
upgrade...
To secure a robust timetable, only 12 paths our of 15 are used.
This nothwistanding, there are plans to upgrade PSE-Lyria and PSE-BFC
sets for 300km/h, possibly with TVM-430. That would increase capacity
to 13 t.p.h.
The problem is that SNCF wants RFF to contribute to this rolling-stock
upgrade...
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[email protected] schrieb:
> This nothwistanding, there are plans to upgrade PSE-Lyria and PSE-BFC
> sets for 300km/h, possibly with TVM-430. That would increase capacity
> to 13 t.p.h.
What does PSE-BFC mean?
And what would this upgrade include? Is it enough to change the gears
and improve the brakes, or does it need a more "in-depth" replacement of
the drive technology?
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> This nothwistanding, there are plans to upgrade PSE-Lyria and PSE-BFC
> sets for 300km/h, possibly with TVM-430. That would increase capacity
> to 13 t.p.h.
What does PSE-BFC mean?
And what would this upgrade include? Is it enough to change the gears
and improve the brakes, or does it need a more "in-depth" replacement of
the drive technology?
--
tobias benjamin köhler ____________________________________ [email protected]
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tobias b köhler wrote:
> [email protected] schrieb:
> > This nothwistanding, there are plans to upgrade PSE-Lyria and PSE-BFC
> > sets for 300km/h, possibly with TVM-430. That would increase capacity
> > to 13 t.p.h.
> What does PSE-BFC mean?
PSE Bourgogne-Franche Comté. 9 units (of which 7 ex wholly 1st-class,
never overhauled from 1981 to 2000), Mk1 Refurb, with original bar
(pics recently posted on RFE), no TVM-430 (TVM-300 only) and no upgrade
for 300km/h.
Those units are confined to Paris-Dijon, Paris-Besançon and
Paris-Chalon sur Saône services.
> And what would this upgrade include? Is it enough to change the gears
> and improve the brakes, or does it need a more "in-depth" replacement of
> the drive technology?
IIRC the upgrade for 300km/h is somehow heavier.
On Lyria sets, such upgrade may be too sensitive, and not really worth
it, but for the 13th extra path...
Best regards
Phil
> [email protected] schrieb:
> > This nothwistanding, there are plans to upgrade PSE-Lyria and PSE-BFC
> > sets for 300km/h, possibly with TVM-430. That would increase capacity
> > to 13 t.p.h.
> What does PSE-BFC mean?
PSE Bourgogne-Franche Comté. 9 units (of which 7 ex wholly 1st-class,
never overhauled from 1981 to 2000), Mk1 Refurb, with original bar
(pics recently posted on RFE), no TVM-430 (TVM-300 only) and no upgrade
for 300km/h.
Those units are confined to Paris-Dijon, Paris-Besançon and
Paris-Chalon sur Saône services.
> And what would this upgrade include? Is it enough to change the gears
> and improve the brakes, or does it need a more "in-depth" replacement of
> the drive technology?
IIRC the upgrade for 300km/h is somehow heavier.
On Lyria sets, such upgrade may be too sensitive, and not really worth
it, but for the 13th extra path...
Best regards
Phil
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Power plants have never blown up in the way most people imagine (like
> a nuclear detonation).
Please cite your sources for your knowledge
of the imagination of "most people."
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> Power plants have never blown up in the way most people imagine (like
> a nuclear detonation).
Please cite your sources for your knowledge
of the imagination of "most people."
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Lennart Petersen <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Go Fig" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:200920051046165003%[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Lennart Petersen
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Go Fig" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> >> news:200920050910159294%[email protected]...
> >> > In article <[email protected]>, Ulf Kutzner
> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Go Fig schrieb:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>There isn't a double duplex TGV each 5 minutes.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>With modern equipment, you can run such a train each 3 minutes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But like airports, train stations are the limiting factor.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure. Lots of examples for bad design exist,
> >> >
> >> > I don't see how you could have 200+ tracks at Gare Du Nord even with
> >> > good design.
> >> -------------------------
> >> Why 200 tracks ??
> >> You can off-load and reload a train on one track in around 5 min.
> >
> > At a major terminus like Paris, I have never seen this done or even
> > close to it... nor could existing infrastructure handle those amount of
> > people.
> But I've seen it many times at many places.
> You may have a look at track 13-16 at rush hour in Stockholm C for an
> example.
> >
> > Withstanding that, for a TGV trainset every 3 min, how many tracks do
> > you think would be needed ?
> Depends , let's say 6 or 8 tracks to be convenient and allow a little
> longer stay for the trains.
> Also remember that every train from the mainline LGV Nord doesn't go to
> Gare du Nord as many are diverted to the bypass line and continuing to the
> south of Paris.
> Anyway a double rail track can handle a substantial higher volume of
> passenger than road lanes of the same wide and a rail station requires just
> a fraction of the size as an airport with a similar volume of passengers.
At Amsterdam Central the intercity trains from Groningen/Leeuwarden and
Enschede do a turnround in 8 minutes. These are usually 2 ICM-trainsets,
6 to 8 coaches. That's about the fastest intercity turnround in the
Netherlands I know of.
iMark
> "Go Fig" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:200920051046165003%[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Lennart Petersen
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Go Fig" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> >> news:200920050910159294%[email protected]...
> >> > In article <[email protected]>, Ulf Kutzner
> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Go Fig schrieb:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>There isn't a double duplex TGV each 5 minutes.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>With modern equipment, you can run such a train each 3 minutes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But like airports, train stations are the limiting factor.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure. Lots of examples for bad design exist,
> >> >
> >> > I don't see how you could have 200+ tracks at Gare Du Nord even with
> >> > good design.
> >> -------------------------
> >> Why 200 tracks ??
> >> You can off-load and reload a train on one track in around 5 min.
> >
> > At a major terminus like Paris, I have never seen this done or even
> > close to it... nor could existing infrastructure handle those amount of
> > people.
> But I've seen it many times at many places.
> You may have a look at track 13-16 at rush hour in Stockholm C for an
> example.
> >
> > Withstanding that, for a TGV trainset every 3 min, how many tracks do
> > you think would be needed ?
> Depends , let's say 6 or 8 tracks to be convenient and allow a little
> longer stay for the trains.
> Also remember that every train from the mainline LGV Nord doesn't go to
> Gare du Nord as many are diverted to the bypass line and continuing to the
> south of Paris.
> Anyway a double rail track can handle a substantial higher volume of
> passenger than road lanes of the same wide and a rail station requires just
> a fraction of the size as an airport with a similar volume of passengers.
At Amsterdam Central the intercity trains from Groningen/Leeuwarden and
Enschede do a turnround in 8 minutes. These are usually 2 ICM-trainsets,
6 to 8 coaches. That's about the fastest intercity turnround in the
Netherlands I know of.
iMark




