Moscow: dangerous place?
Mar 31st 2004, 2:57 am
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
"?ystein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] (Seriozha) wrote in message
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> > I think higher prices for foreigners are just. Wages in Europe are
> > about 10 times higher than in Russia.
> In a way I agree with you that it is fair. On the other hand
> foreigners experience that someone is after they money where they
> turn. You pay a mark up when driving a taxi, when visiting a museum,
> when you deliver your postcards at the hotel etc.
There is a similar practice in Spain, where you are allowed free entry to
some places if you show you national ID card, but pay if you don't have one.
Given that tourists in Russia are now forced to pay very high rates for
hotel rooms, they perceive this double tiered practice as getting ripped off
for everything else and this understandably leads to resentment.
Lana
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> [email protected] (Seriozha) wrote in message
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> > I think higher prices for foreigners are just. Wages in Europe are
> > about 10 times higher than in Russia.
> In a way I agree with you that it is fair. On the other hand
> foreigners experience that someone is after they money where they
> turn. You pay a mark up when driving a taxi, when visiting a museum,
> when you deliver your postcards at the hotel etc.
There is a similar practice in Spain, where you are allowed free entry to
some places if you show you national ID card, but pay if you don't have one.
Given that tourists in Russia are now forced to pay very high rates for
hotel rooms, they perceive this double tiered practice as getting ripped off
for everything else and this understandably leads to resentment.
Lana
Mar 31st 2004, 3:48 am
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
szozu wrote:
> "?ystein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>[email protected] (Seriozha) wrote in message
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> news:<[email protected]. com>...
>>>I think higher prices for foreigners are just. Wages in Europe are
>>>about 10 times higher than in Russia.
>>In a way I agree with you that it is fair. On the other hand
>>foreigners experience that someone is after they money where they
>>turn. You pay a mark up when driving a taxi, when visiting a museum,
>>when you deliver your postcards at the hotel etc.
> There is a similar practice in Spain, where you are allowed free entry to
> some places if you show you national ID card, but pay if you don't have one.
I suspect that with EU rules an ID card from anywhere in the EU would
suffice. After all those Indians make so much more than the Germans
that they should pay more for Spanish museums. FFM
> Given that tourists in Russia are now forced to pay very high rates for
> hotel rooms, they perceive this double tiered practice as getting ripped off
> for everything else and this understandably leads to resentment.
>
> Lana
> "?ystein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>[email protected] (Seriozha) wrote in message
>
> news:<[email protected]. com>...
>>>I think higher prices for foreigners are just. Wages in Europe are
>>>about 10 times higher than in Russia.
>>In a way I agree with you that it is fair. On the other hand
>>foreigners experience that someone is after they money where they
>>turn. You pay a mark up when driving a taxi, when visiting a museum,
>>when you deliver your postcards at the hotel etc.
> There is a similar practice in Spain, where you are allowed free entry to
> some places if you show you national ID card, but pay if you don't have one.
I suspect that with EU rules an ID card from anywhere in the EU would
suffice. After all those Indians make so much more than the Germans
that they should pay more for Spanish museums. FFM
> Given that tourists in Russia are now forced to pay very high rates for
> hotel rooms, they perceive this double tiered practice as getting ripped off
> for everything else and this understandably leads to resentment.
>
> Lana
Apr 1st 2004, 5:37 am
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police, they will find a reason
to search your travel papers , take you to an isolated spot or police van
looking for a shakedown/payoff.
They stole $1000 USD from me when they took me from Novy Arbat outside
Metelitsa nightclub in full view of the club's security (who are Moscow
police themselves, moonlighting). At least, those crooks had the decency
to leave me with all my T checks. Complaints to US embassy did not help.
I have never been back to Russia since.
to search your travel papers , take you to an isolated spot or police van
looking for a shakedown/payoff.
They stole $1000 USD from me when they took me from Novy Arbat outside
Metelitsa nightclub in full view of the club's security (who are Moscow
police themselves, moonlighting). At least, those crooks had the decency
to leave me with all my T checks. Complaints to US embassy did not help.
I have never been back to Russia since.
Apr 1st 2004, 8:23 pm
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
pablo cee wrote:
> If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police,
Stay away from shady nightclubs, rather.
> they will find a reason
> to search your travel papers , take you to an isolated spot or police van
> looking for a shakedown/payoff.
>
> They stole $1000 USD from me when they took me from Novy Arbat outside
> Metelitsa nightclub in full view of the club's security (who are Moscow
> police themselves, moonlighting). At least, those crooks had the decency
> to leave me with all my T checks. Complaints to US embassy did not help.
>
> I have never been back to Russia since.
> If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police,
Stay away from shady nightclubs, rather.
> they will find a reason
> to search your travel papers , take you to an isolated spot or police van
> looking for a shakedown/payoff.
>
> They stole $1000 USD from me when they took me from Novy Arbat outside
> Metelitsa nightclub in full view of the club's security (who are Moscow
> police themselves, moonlighting). At least, those crooks had the decency
> to leave me with all my T checks. Complaints to US embassy did not help.
>
> I have never been back to Russia since.
Apr 1st 2004, 10:54 pm
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
"Björn Olsson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> pablo cee wrote:
> > If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police,
> Stay away from shady nightclubs, rather.
This may help somewhat. However these rascals operate everywhere. They also
live in symbiosis with those who do the dirty job. Finnish charter bus
drivers used to have plenty of rubles in small denominators on the way to
Leningrad to pay "traffic tickets" (actually no tickets were written) on
highwaymen who are locally called as police. It was kind of funny. We showed
our middle fingers though windows and asked the bedouins to go begging
somewhere else. Once a driver got tired on the game and tossed pennies on
snowy street. "Police officers" didn't like this so he was forced for a
blood test in Viipuri. Once again we shouted the Russian fags to get lost.
Nice trips. I believe it is somewhat different now.
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> pablo cee wrote:
> > If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police,
> Stay away from shady nightclubs, rather.
This may help somewhat. However these rascals operate everywhere. They also
live in symbiosis with those who do the dirty job. Finnish charter bus
drivers used to have plenty of rubles in small denominators on the way to
Leningrad to pay "traffic tickets" (actually no tickets were written) on
highwaymen who are locally called as police. It was kind of funny. We showed
our middle fingers though windows and asked the bedouins to go begging
somewhere else. Once a driver got tired on the game and tossed pennies on
snowy street. "Police officers" didn't like this so he was forced for a
blood test in Viipuri. Once again we shouted the Russian fags to get lost.
Nice trips. I believe it is somewhat different now.
Apr 1st 2004, 11:18 pm
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
Markku Grönroos wrote:
> "Björn Olsson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>pablo cee wrote:
>>>If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police,
>>Stay away from shady nightclubs, rather.
>
> This may help somewhat. However these rascals operate everywhere. They also
> live in symbiosis with those who do the dirty job. Finnish charter bus
> drivers used to have plenty of rubles in small denominators on the way to
> Leningrad to pay "traffic tickets" (actually no tickets were written) on
> highwaymen who are locally called as police. It was kind of funny. We showed
> our middle fingers though windows and asked the bedouins to go begging
> somewhere else. Once a driver got tired on the game and tossed pennies on
> snowy street. "Police officers" didn't like this so he was forced for a
> blood test in Viipuri. Once again we shouted the Russian fags to get lost.
> Nice trips. I believe it is somewhat different now.
Apparently it is. People seem to have learnt to behave themselves, and
don't fit the stereotype of the drunken Finn on holiday as often as in
the past.
Bjorn
> "Björn Olsson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>pablo cee wrote:
>>>If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police,
>>Stay away from shady nightclubs, rather.
>
> This may help somewhat. However these rascals operate everywhere. They also
> live in symbiosis with those who do the dirty job. Finnish charter bus
> drivers used to have plenty of rubles in small denominators on the way to
> Leningrad to pay "traffic tickets" (actually no tickets were written) on
> highwaymen who are locally called as police. It was kind of funny. We showed
> our middle fingers though windows and asked the bedouins to go begging
> somewhere else. Once a driver got tired on the game and tossed pennies on
> snowy street. "Police officers" didn't like this so he was forced for a
> blood test in Viipuri. Once again we shouted the Russian fags to get lost.
> Nice trips. I believe it is somewhat different now.
Apparently it is. People seem to have learnt to behave themselves, and
don't fit the stereotype of the drunken Finn on holiday as often as in
the past.
Bjorn
Apr 1st 2004, 11:29 pm
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
"Björn Olsson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Apparently it is. People seem to have learnt to behave themselves, and
> don't fit the stereotype of the drunken Finn on holiday as often as in
> the past.
Absolutely. British travellers are the worst of all. Many ski resorts in
Central Europe refuse to take any groups (sometimes any tourist) carrying
Swedish passports.
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> Apparently it is. People seem to have learnt to behave themselves, and
> don't fit the stereotype of the drunken Finn on holiday as often as in
> the past.
Absolutely. British travellers are the worst of all. Many ski resorts in
Central Europe refuse to take any groups (sometimes any tourist) carrying
Swedish passports.
Apr 4th 2004, 6:12 am
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
On 1 Apr 2004 10:37:51 -0800, [email protected] (pablo cee)
wrote:
>If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police, they will find a reason
>to search your travel papers , take you to an isolated spot or police van
>looking for a shakedown/payoff.
>They stole $1000 USD from me when they took me from Novy Arbat outside
>Metelitsa nightclub in full view of the club's security (who are Moscow
>police themselves, moonlighting). At least, those crooks had the decency
>to leave me with all my T checks. Complaints to US embassy did not help.
>I have never been back to Russia since.
I have to disagree with this 100%. Ok it might happen but not like
how you are saying. when I went there, (I look nothing like russian I
am british) I went to a some moscow police, even talk to them, (try a
few words I learnt from my wife in russian) and spoke other parts with
english and they did not search my travel papers, etc..
you get this report of "POLICE ABUSE" in all countries.
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wrote:
>If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police, they will find a reason
>to search your travel papers , take you to an isolated spot or police van
>looking for a shakedown/payoff.
>They stole $1000 USD from me when they took me from Novy Arbat outside
>Metelitsa nightclub in full view of the club's security (who are Moscow
>police themselves, moonlighting). At least, those crooks had the decency
>to leave me with all my T checks. Complaints to US embassy did not help.
>I have never been back to Russia since.
I have to disagree with this 100%. Ok it might happen but not like
how you are saying. when I went there, (I look nothing like russian I
am british) I went to a some moscow police, even talk to them, (try a
few words I learnt from my wife in russian) and spoke other parts with
english and they did not search my travel papers, etc..
you get this report of "POLICE ABUSE" in all countries.
----------------------------------------------------
reverse my email address, and remove the obvious
spam traps to reach me by email.
http://www.callthrough.tk/ = site not updated.
Apr 4th 2004, 6:21 am
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
"_T*R*A*P*S*I*H*T*E*V*O*M*E*R*_ okram (Mark Kelly)" <moc.dlrowltn.nojunk@>
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> On 1 Apr 2004 10:37:51 -0800, [email protected] (pablo cee)
> wrote:
> >If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police, they will find a
reason
> >to search your travel papers , take you to an isolated spot or police van
> >looking for a shakedown/payoff.
> >
> >They stole $1000 USD from me when they took me from Novy Arbat outside
> >Metelitsa nightclub in full view of the club's security (who are Moscow
> >police themselves, moonlighting). At least, those crooks had the decency
> >to leave me with all my T checks. Complaints to US embassy did not help.
> >
> >I have never been back to Russia since.
> I have to disagree with this 100%. Ok it might happen but not like
> how you are saying. when I went there, (I look nothing like russian I
> am british) I went to a some moscow police, even talk to them, (try a
> few words I learnt from my wife in russian) and spoke other parts with
A couple of years ago many Finnish travel companies boycotted the city of
Viipuri because their clients were assaulted so many times (mostly retired
and weak folks).
wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On 1 Apr 2004 10:37:51 -0800, [email protected] (pablo cee)
> wrote:
> >If you appear foreign, stay away from Moscow police, they will find a
reason
> >to search your travel papers , take you to an isolated spot or police van
> >looking for a shakedown/payoff.
> >
> >They stole $1000 USD from me when they took me from Novy Arbat outside
> >Metelitsa nightclub in full view of the club's security (who are Moscow
> >police themselves, moonlighting). At least, those crooks had the decency
> >to leave me with all my T checks. Complaints to US embassy did not help.
> >
> >I have never been back to Russia since.
> I have to disagree with this 100%. Ok it might happen but not like
> how you are saying. when I went there, (I look nothing like russian I
> am british) I went to a some moscow police, even talk to them, (try a
> few words I learnt from my wife in russian) and spoke other parts with
A couple of years ago many Finnish travel companies boycotted the city of
Viipuri because their clients were assaulted so many times (mostly retired
and weak folks).
Nov 2nd 2004, 10:13 am
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Re: Moscow: dangerous place?
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