mini Mini

"Ian Burton" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:steQg.51$XX2.15@dukeread04:

    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] ups.com...
    >> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
    >>> Iceman wrote:
    >>> > Cathy L wrote:
    >>> >
    >>> >>We were so looking forward to having Italian bread in Italy. How
    >>> >>dissapointed we were to find how tasteless it was. The breads in
    >>> >>France and Germany were superb!
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> > Next time try the bread at an actual neighborhood Italian bakery
    >>> > instead of a tourist trap restaurant where they bring bus tours.
    >>> >
    >>> Actually I would say that bread is the weak point of Italian
    >>> cooking. Some is decent but the overall quality is fairly weak.
    >> As compared to what? Many of the basis of comparisons of the
    >> people around here might make it "amongst" the best varieties
    >> they've had.
    >
    > For many non-Italians it's the lack of salt they find disturbing.
    > Tuscan bread is made with none. My favorite is the pane pugliese. It
    > should be available in any bread shop in Italy, not only in Puglia.

I just wrote practically the same thing! Agreement & harmony on RTE????
;o)

Martin

On 20 Sep 2006 19:19:19 +0200, mini Mini <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Cathy L <[email protected]> wrote in
    >news:[email protected] :
    >> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:20:08 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>The same thought occurred to me. As far as Italian bread recipes
    >>>always contain oil goes, I googled about 20 Italian bread recipes as
    >>>opposed to pizza bread recipes and found only one that had oil as an
    >>>ingredient.
    >>
    >> So people agree with me. It seems like the Italian recipe lacks
    >> something.
    >Salt! ;o)

If you get your salt intake down to a healthy level you don't miss it
after a while.
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Martin

Martin

On 20 Sep 2006 19:26:07 +0200, mini Mini <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote in
    >news:[email protected] zoengr.vans.vg:
    >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Miss L. Toe wrote:
    >>
    >>> > I am sorry to say that I rank UK as the worst for bread.
    >>>
    >>> The ciabatta that sainsburys sell is great !
    >>
    >> Thank you for not quoting my entire message as some other posters did.
    >I couldn't reply last time because I didn't have the courage to snip your
    >message.

LOL I must remember that one. Nor me, miss!
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Martin

David Horne

Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Miss L. Toe wrote:
    >
    > > > I am sorry to say that I rank UK as the worst for bread.
    > >
    > > The ciabatta that sainsburys sell is great !
    >
    > Thank you for not quoting my entire message as some other posters did.
    >
    > There were no ciabatte in the UK nor in Italy 20 years ago when I lived
    > there. Ciabatta, like tartaruga, is one of the new "fashion" sorts of
    > bread introduced recently.

The bread available has changed a lot in much of the UK in the last
decade or so. I still wouldn't put it at the top of any list, but you
can get good bread even in the big supermarkets. Not all of it is good,
but I don't think it takes too much time to find it. 20 years ago, the
only bread available where I lived was sliced white or sliced brown...

As for restaurants, the ones that give you bread here tend to be similar
in quality to what I'm used to in Europe- that is "OK" but not as good
as what you can get if you look around. I was at a tapas place a while
back which had excellent bread- next time I was there it was quite
plain! :(

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Miss L. Toe

    > As for restaurants, the ones that give you bread here tend to be similar
    > in quality to what I'm used to in Europe- that is "OK" but not as good
    > as what you can get if you look around. I was at a tapas place a while
    > back which had excellent bread- next time I was there it was quite
    > plain! :(

You should try the foccicia at carluccios. Yummy.

David Horne

Miss L. Toe <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > As for restaurants, the ones that give you bread here tend to be similar
    > > in quality to what I'm used to in Europe- that is "OK" but not as good
    > > as what you can get if you look around. I was at a tapas place a while
    > > back which had excellent bread- next time I was there it was quite
    > > plain! :(
    >
    > You should try the foccicia at carluccios. Yummy.

Good suggestion- I don't think I've had it there. Had a delicious lunch
in the location near Bond Street tube a while back.

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Martin

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:55:02 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

    >Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Miss L. Toe wrote:
    >>
    >> > > I am sorry to say that I rank UK as the worst for bread.
    >> >
    >> > The ciabatta that sainsburys sell is great !
    >>
    >> Thank you for not quoting my entire message as some other posters did.
    >>
    >> There were no ciabatte in the UK nor in Italy 20 years ago when I lived
    >> there. Ciabatta, like tartaruga, is one of the new "fashion" sorts of
    >> bread introduced recently.
    >The bread available has changed a lot in much of the UK in the last
    >decade or so.

Thanks to the introduction of sell by dates. :-)

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Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:55:02 +0100,
    > [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    > the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >
    > >Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Miss L. Toe wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > > I am sorry to say that I rank UK as the worst for bread.
    > >> >
    > >> > The ciabatta that sainsburys sell is great !
    > >>
    > >> Thank you for not quoting my entire message as some other posters did.
    > >>
    > >> There were no ciabatte in the UK nor in Italy 20 years ago when I lived
    > >> there. Ciabatta, like tartaruga, is one of the new "fashion" sorts of
    > >> bread introduced recently.
    > >
    > >The bread available has changed a lot in much of the UK in the last
    > >decade or so.
    >
    > Thanks to the introduction of sell by dates. :-)

Maybe- you can by terrible 'fresh' bread though.

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Martin

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:12:51 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:55:02 +0100,
    >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Miss L. Toe wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> > > I am sorry to say that I rank UK as the worst for bread.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > The ciabatta that sainsburys sell is great !
    >> >>
    >> >> Thank you for not quoting my entire message as some other posters did.
    >> >>
    >> >> There were no ciabatte in the UK nor in Italy 20 years ago when I lived
    >> >> there. Ciabatta, like tartaruga, is one of the new "fashion" sorts of
    >> >> bread introduced recently.
    >> >
    >> >The bread available has changed a lot in much of the UK in the last
    >> >decade or so.
    >>
    >> Thanks to the introduction of sell by dates. :-)
    >Maybe- you can by terrible 'fresh' bread though.

Maybe you can, we make our own.
--

Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:12:51 +0100,
    > [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    > the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >
    > >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:55:02 +0100,
    > >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    > >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Miss L. Toe wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > > I am sorry to say that I rank UK as the worst for bread.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > The ciabatta that sainsburys sell is great !
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Thank you for not quoting my entire message as some other posters did.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> There were no ciabatte in the UK nor in Italy 20 years ago when I lived
    > >> >> there. Ciabatta, like tartaruga, is one of the new "fashion" sorts of
    > >> >> bread introduced recently.
    > >> >
    > >> >The bread available has changed a lot in much of the UK in the last
    > >> >decade or so.
    > >>
    > >> Thanks to the introduction of sell by dates. :-)
    > >
    > >Maybe- you can by terrible 'fresh' bread though.
    >
    > Maybe you can, we make our own.

I save my time and spend a bit more on good stuff, but it's hard to beat
home-made, I agree.

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Martin

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:20:52 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:12:51 +0100,
    >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:55:02 +0100,
    >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    >> >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Miss L. Toe wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > > I am sorry to say that I rank UK as the worst for bread.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > The ciabatta that sainsburys sell is great !
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Thank you for not quoting my entire message as some other posters did.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> There were no ciabatte in the UK nor in Italy 20 years ago when I lived
    >> >> >> there. Ciabatta, like tartaruga, is one of the new "fashion" sorts of
    >> >> >> bread introduced recently.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >The bread available has changed a lot in much of the UK in the last
    >> >> >decade or so.
    >> >>
    >> >> Thanks to the introduction of sell by dates. :-)
    >> >
    >> >Maybe- you can by terrible 'fresh' bread though.
    >>
    >> Maybe you can, we make our own.
    >I save my time and spend a bit more on good stuff, but it's hard to beat
    >home-made, I agree.

The smell of baking bread is one of the great things about making your
own
--

Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:20:52 +0100,
    > [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    > the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >
    > >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:12:51 +0100,
    > >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    > >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:55:02 +0100,
    > >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    > >> >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
[]
    > >> >> >The bread available has changed a lot in much of the UK in the last
    > >> >> >decade or so.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Thanks to the introduction of sell by dates. :-)
    > >> >
    > >> >Maybe- you can by terrible 'fresh' bread though.
    > >>
    > >> Maybe you can, we make our own.
    > >
    > >I save my time and spend a bit more on good stuff, but it's hard to beat
    > >home-made, I agree.
    >
    > The smell of baking bread is one of the great things about making your
    > own

True, but it would cost a lot to bring one of my Norwegian aunts over
here, and put her up indefinetely! :)

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Martin

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:05:11 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:20:52 +0100,
    >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:12:51 +0100,
    >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    >> >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:55:02 +0100,
    >> >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
    >> >> >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
    >[]
    >> >> >> >The bread available has changed a lot in much of the UK in the last
    >> >> >> >decade or so.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Thanks to the introduction of sell by dates. :-)
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Maybe- you can by terrible 'fresh' bread though.
    >> >>
    >> >> Maybe you can, we make our own.
    >> >
    >> >I save my time and spend a bit more on good stuff, but it's hard to beat
    >> >home-made, I agree.
    >>
    >> The smell of baking bread is one of the great things about making your
    >> own
    >True, but it would cost a lot to bring one of my Norwegian aunts over
    >here, and put her up indefinetely! :)

Get a Panasonic ABM instead.
--

Martin

Tim C .

Following up to Cathy L <[email protected]> :

    >So people agree with me. It seems like the Italian recipe lacks
    >something.

I think that too. I can't work out what it is, but I find most of the bread
I've had unsatisfying.
--
Tim C.

Tim C .

    >> I make almost
    >>all of my own bread, because I'm tired of the bread I can find in my
    >>town.
    >We make almost all of our bread too, but it doesn't mean that good
    >bread is not available in the Netherlands.

Martin, that's a Mixiherring (tm).

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Tim C.